H22a Ek?!

[perhapz]

Hi i m just a newbie here so plz help me out

recently i just got a 98 prelude H22A engine off my friend. it is an automatic one and i m thinking about changing it to manual and put it into my 96 Civic Hatch.
i've been hearing alot of good stuff about that what it will like after i put it in but i just havent really heard of anything on the negative side.

so could you guys tell me what will go wrong after i do the conversion?

any places you know that would do a good conversion? (In Brisbane)

yea anyway couldnt really think of too much to ask so plz tell me anything thats on your mind and i will be really appreciate it :)

[jackosimm]

your front end will become a lot heavier, and therefor make cornering and steering worse.

[BLKek]

Charlies motors have done the conversion from late 'lude to an early 'lude. That's jus about all i can think of, there's a few Eg's getting around Brissy with this conversion...

[Z]

Read Here (http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81)

Cons
- Its not a bolt on swap
- Youll probably have to cut some holes in your car
- Your AC is probably going to get the ass
- Mounts
- Wiring
- Other crap

Pros
- 2.2lt civic :D

[industrie]

i wouldnt do that if i was you...as stated earlier..balance will be uneven..the front end of the car will be heavier all around..and steering will be a crap...your better off looking for something lighter...h22a engines are not meant to be put into a civic

[95_CVC]

Hey i'm wanting to put the H22a in my EG sedan and eventually turbo it. I'm also in brisbane. Is it worth the trouble and $$$?

[ATSEK4]

do it man ! hurry!

[jackosimm]

that link show's some well worthy pro's lol! but expense seems the main con lol...

*you can stroke an h22a to a 2.6 liter

*i have seen 20 psi h22a's with 600 wheel horse power

Thats insane...:thumbsup:

[online]

heavier.. what the?.. we are only talking maybe 20kg..

[jackosimm]

not just weight, but centre of gravity and a whole lot of other things are altered here, causing all sorts of understeer and just general front heavy driving

[jackosimm]

plus 60 pounds is actually over 27kg. And thats compared to a B18 too, not just what im guessing may be a D16Y? So it is a fair bit more weight if you think about it

[jackosimm]

sorry for another reply, but then to turbo it too would be putting on a few more kg too, which im guessing he'd do eventually

[Z]

that link show's some well worthy pro's lol! but expense seems the main con lol...

*you can stroke an h22a to a 2.6 liter

*i have seen 20 psi h22a's with 600 wheel horse power

Thats insane...:thumbsup:

Mind you, they dont tell you about the time/effort/money involved in achieving this.


Hey i'm wanting to put the H22a in my EG sedan and eventually turbo it. I'm also in brisbane. Is it worth the trouble and $$$?

The cost of the initial swap, then the turbo setup along with modifications to make it run efficiently (resleeve etc etc) + labour id probably say its not worth it - especially if its for a daily driver.

[online]

not just weight, but centre of gravity and a whole lot of other things are altered here, causing all sorts of understeer and just general front heavy driving

plus 60 pounds is actually over 27kg. And thats compared to a B18 too, not just what im guessing may be a D16Y? So it is a fair bit more weight if you think about it



i think you need to perform this conversion and drive one for yourself before you comment.. you can't always believe whats in magazines.. :) . Just a thought..

[jackosimm]

well that first paragraph is what ive learned from physics, and the second is all facts, and the only reading ive done on this engine conversion is that link that Z has provided and comments from clubcivic.com and honda tech, no mags, however, ive not done it, just sharin my opinion from information that ive gathered.

[online]

thats what makes forum's so good.. everyone can express their opinion.. i haven't got a physics background, i'm just a mechanic, but i can tell you first hand after doing a H22A in a Gen2 CRX and a EG Civic that it's alot of fun to drive and handles real well..

[jackosimm]

cool, obviously I havent driven one but reading from people who have, thats what I've heard, spose it comes down to how you do it

[bennjamin]

thats what makes forum's so good.. everyone can express their opinion.. i haven't got a physics background, i'm just a mechanic, but i can tell you first hand after doing a H22A in a Gen2 CRX and a EG Civic that it's alot of fun to drive and handles real well..


Best quote ive read all day.


Perhaps , we need some one who actually owns a EK with a H22a conversion , to tell us yes ?

[perhapz]

yes.....i have read alot of people who got a EG H22A conversion but i never seen one who has done it with an EK i know EG and EK aint so much different at the engine bay but i just wanna know if anyone had actully done this so i could ask how they feel about it ir is it worth it...

and just one more question..

how much do you guys it will cost for the conversion?

only the labour and stuff..not including the engine..

thx~

[Z]

Not sure how much it would cost you. Wild guess would be 6.5k onwards?

Do you just have the engine, or do you have everything else like ecu etc etc

Also, I believe youll need Hseries mounts for your civic. (Someone confirm?)

[perhapz]

god...i dont know.....i got 3 things one is the abs control thing and then there a black box it doesnt say a thing on there only numbers. and then i got the ECU i guess?
if its gonna cost me 6.5K i guess i wont do it at all....its too expensive...i might only go for the look after all...lol~

[jackosimm]

yeh its a rewarding life too lol:D

[panda[cRx]]

thats what makes forum's so good.. everyone can express their opinion.. i haven't got a physics background, i'm just a mechanic, but i can tell you first hand after doing a H22A in a Gen2 CRX and a EG Civic that it's alot of fun to drive and handles real well..

is that the dodgy bastard steven rudducks old crx?

[Z]

My 6.5k estimate is probably way off. Forgot you had some of the parts etc already. It will still be more than a Bseries swap.

Your going to need some more parts from the prelude than just the motor.
Motor, Tranny, ECU, Rear Tranny mount, Shift Linkage, Radiator Hoses, PS Pump/bracket and maybe some other stuff.

Other parts (axles, mounts, throttle cable etc) might have to be sourced from other vehicles.

From what I can gather its a tad easier to put the h22 into a ek chassis than an eg. Seems the main prob is with the shift linkage :confused:

[edw-R]

No worry. I think around 3K. You will get more and more power than now.
Don't turn left and turn right. Go ahead!!
Within 6K, you can't get B18CR and gear box swap.

[perhapz]

haha thx edw-R i guess u should know who i am right?
and thx so much Z for being so supportive...
i guess i know much more than before now....
i think i better ring up and ask some of the guys who does it.....
so does anyone here got good place i can turn to?
please leave the phone number here so i could ring up and ask?
thx thx~

[ATSEK4]

heavier.. what the?.. we are only talking maybe 20kg..
20kg is a lot at the front ! so y did people put carbon fiber bonnet? coz of the look? carbon fiber bonnet is only 5kg lighter , it already can improve the handling of the car. but i can't really feel it tho.. : ) . but 20kg is a lot.

[online]

true, what would i know about making a car go fast or handling well..

[barefootbonzai]

I always thought that a carbon fiber bonnet was there to help with heat flow

[bennjamin]

I always thought that a carbon fiber bonnet was there to help with heat flow


Isnt Carbon fibre , developed and used as a lightweight and strong alternative to metal etc ?

[jackosimm]

all i no is they look cool:thumbsup: yes call me stupid i no lol

[ALLMTR]

20kg is a lot at the front ! so y did people put carbon fiber bonnet? coz of the look? carbon fiber bonnet is only 5kg lighter , it already can improve the handling of the car. but i can't really feel it tho.. : ) . but 20kg is a lot.

20-30kg is F... all!!! Every think how much a large turbo, thick as steam pipe manifold to support it, wastegate, intercooler, pipework weighs. Ever hear people (or read on the net) say "wow my car understeers now with all the weight I've added".....

:rolleyes:

[SiR CRX]

true, what would i know about making a car go fast or handling well..

Seems like there is a lot of ignorance in this thread. Maybe people don't know who you are and what you have done. I would take your opinion over anyone else's on this subject mate :thumbsup:

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[n/a]

No worry. I think around 3K. You will get more and more power than now.
Don't turn left and turn right. Go ahead!!
Within 6K, you can't get B18CR and gear box swap.

3k? 3k for the H22A conversion?

dude you need to fork out atleast $10k for the complete conversion. don't ask what is included but you can drive the car without any hassles.

you're better doing a B18C7, get the 1/2 cut for 6k. you get the gearbox, LSD, front brakes etc. plus it's pretty much a straight bolt on compared to the H22A.

H22A = relocating A/C, pwr steering.. big big hassles..

much better to go B series and work the crap out of it. think B16A with around 6k of mods, or B18C7 with around 3k of mods.. or stock H22A..

[tegstar83]

You can easily overcome the weight difference with suspension mods plus I recon u can do this conversion for around 4.5k to 6.5 k max

[h22a accord]

heres some great DIY for swapping a H22A into an EG/EK civic..thanks to hondatech

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=650329

[MoonSha]

Make up for that little extra weight by ditching the front bar and bonnet huh? lorl




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[JDMTMY]

i reckon u should go for the b18c7 conversion. it would be alot easier. but its up to you mate. like said before. if ur not gona do much track and more straight line racing. go for the h22a

[Cvik_ryda]

WEAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK...... To all the people who said dont do the H22 swap. And no if u already have the engine then no way it gonna cost more than $5000. Im saving up to do 1 my self next year. Quick figures: Hasport mounts $1100 Aussie dollars ship to your door. This mount is a bolt on no weld or cut involve + life time warranty. Labors, i got quote drive in drive out U bring your engine and mounts $2500, quoted by Chaser (top quality workshop but in Melbourne). So u have $1400 left upgrade your brake and sussy. Done. if u need an example ask for a guy in this forum with and Intergra 1995 with H22A he was feat. in Auto saloon magazine. he said to me handling is not much of a problem if u upgrade your sussy. Hope thats help. To all the people said go ahead and do the swap they knows what they talking about.