Honda Civic Type R is back (with turbo)

[Malenic1981]

Hot hatch Honda legend is set to return – and the new Civic Type R will have a turbo engine


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The next Honda Civic Type R will not only be the fastest version yet – it’s tipped to be Honda’s first-ever turbo road car. And our sources in Japan say tuning expert Mugen is already well underway with development.

The Type R has already achieved cult status in the UK – Europe’s biggest hot hatch market – thanks to its combination of a high-revving naturally aspirated engine and aggressive styling. But in order to meet emissions regulations, this latest model will tweak the formula slightly.

Instead of the previous 2.0-litre naturally aspirated engine, it will use a 2.0-litre turbo designed to comply with Euro V emissions regulations. A similar engine will feature in Honda’s 2012 British Touring Car Championship challenger.

Adding a turbo will give more torque lower in the rev range, so a higher gear can be used more often to boost efficiency. Stop-start is also likely to be fitted.

Just as VW hiked power with its latest Golf GTI, so Honda will increase the Type R’s output – but not by much. A figure of 210bhp would allow a 0-62mph time of less than 6.5 seconds and a top speed approaching 150mph.

Based on the new Civic seen at last month’s Frankfurt Motor Show, the Type R gets the standard car’s front grille, slim headlights and LED daytime running lights, although most of the bodywork will be uprated.

A front end with large mesh air intakes, a lower chin spoiler and chunky side skirts will boost the visual impact, while a rear diffuser and extended spoiler *aim to increase stability at high speeds. Also helping the car’s balance in corners is the standard Civic’s longer, wider chassis; this should also improve ride comfort and grip.

Don’t expect refinement to match a Mercedes S-Class, however. The Type R has always been an extreme proposition and that’s the way it will stay.

The steering is set to be pin sharp, while the six-speed manual box will use a stubby gearlever for snappy changes. Plus, the suspension will be firm, to cope with track work as well as blasting down B-roads.

In a break from tradition that matches the turbocharged Ford Focus ST – a key competitor for the Type R – Honda will offer the car as a five-door only. Prices are expected to start from around £23,000 when it arrives in 2013.

Link http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/273562/honda_civic_type_r_is_back.html

[Fredoops]

OH dear Sweet Jesus... FINALLY a turbo car.

[dc2r-0636]

Thank god!!! Honda woke up after a long sleep

[WATAJK]

dislike. No thanks.
Type R is based upon N/A. That's honda's heritage. Stick to what they do best.
If they wanna do a turbo car, at least make it RWD but this Type R will be FWD... Will have a crap load or torque steer and understeer i bet probably... thats if it remains FWD which they most likely will as they will want to keep $$$ down
Rear looks ugly as hell i must say....

[dc2r-0636]

They got 210hp+ from the jdm k20a lol. Now same with the turbo?

[WATAJK]

well done son... you realised something i did already. Ill be sticking to my K20 thx :)

[dc2r-0636]

Still imagine the torque from it+ its turbo so a lot more potential

[Fredoops]

Still imagine the torque from it+ its turbo so a lot more potential

They're trying to imitate the GTi effect... useable daily hot hatch, it's not he first turbo honda however, theres a K23 in the USA thats a turbo (SUV)


Instead of the previous 2.0-litre naturally aspirated engine, it will use a 2.0-litre turbo designed to comply with Euro V emissions regulations. A similar engine will feature in Honda’s 2012 British Touring Car Championship challenger.

Adding a turbo will give more torque lower in the rev range, so a higher gear can be used more often to boost efficiency. Stop-start is also likely to be fitted.
orly?

[jase89]

question is.. Will we get that here in australia?..

[pablos8]

They destroyed the real type R.

[mooshie]

tipped to be Honda’s first-ever turbo road car

they had a legend in 1989 with an interesting 'wing' turbo plus the venerable City Turbo in 1982 and later the 'bulldog' City Turbo II.
also an Acura RDX from 2007 in the US.

Car looks good from the front, not sure on the rear. Keen on the turbo but I do agree that a Type R should be a high revving, lightweight, atmo beast.

[jeffreymui]

bye bye honda...is this is real, they are trying to humiliate themselves.......they are going to destroy honda's icon, NA vtec

[blk_shadow]

i reckon Type R = N/A
They should call this Type T instead.

[sexy_shazam]

dislike. No thanks.
Type R is based upon N/A. That's honda's heritage. Stick to what they do best.
If they wanna do a turbo car, at least make it RWD but this Type R will be FWD... Will have a crap load or torque steer and understeer i bet probably... thats if it remains FWD which they most likely will as they will want to keep $$$ down
.

Car looks epic but ya couldnt agree more I always thought Honda was against Turbo's but I guees there is only so much power you can extract from a 2.0 litre engine before you cant comply with emission laws.
guees were going to hear a lot of TURBO JUST LET VTEC KICK IN YO!

[VT3C]

yeh i saw an old jdm import legend v6 turbo wtf haha..
How many golf gti's do u see on the road versus type r's ? Plus 5 door appeals to young famillies which is prob half thd golf's market honda is here to sell cars not keep us fanboys happy lol.

[hussLEr]

they had a legend in 1989 with an interesting 'wing' turbo plus the venerable City Turbo in 1982 and later the 'bulldog' City Turbo II.
also an Acura RDX from 2007 in the US.

Car looks good from the front, not sure on the rear. Keen on the turbo but I do agree that a Type R should be a high revving, lightweight, atmo beast.
Read the first line of the thread and also thought immediately of the City Turbo!

[sexy_shazam]

Still imagine the torque from it+ its turbo so a lot more potential

Plus I think it will sound a lot more meaner.

Couldn't they just try and make the car lighter thus improving power, efficiency and all as well? wouldn't that help them comply with Euro emission laws.

[curtis265]

hellooo tiny turbo and 3psi boost

[mugen_ctr]

hellooo tiny turbo and 3psi boost

Hello boost controller, 15psi and ecu tune, only reason they would run low boost is due to the high compression, much like all new cars

Bout time honda made a turbo car! Vtec with turbo can only end well :D

[Fredoops]

Hello boost controller, 15psi and ecu tune, only reason they would run low boost is due to the high compression, much like all new cars

Bout time honda made a turbo car! Vtec with turbo can only end well :D

You dont see a lot of turbocharged cars with dual VVT setup like the i-Vtec (Porsche and BMW does it, but I call gimmicks, and they are continuously variable VVT's anyway, not the locked/stepped setup like VTEC). I don't actually think it's necessary..... Since VVT is helping to get fuel and air in the cylinders... and FI does the same thing... It's like having a big hammer (Forced Induction) and a small hammer (VVT), I don't know if you actually NEED both, since a lot of folks turbocharging civic engines end up locking the valve/cams to 'OPEN' anyway?


Case in point, look at the K23A1, the turbocharged K-series in the Acura RDX.
- No Vtec on exhaust side
- Intake side Vtec is vastly different from the rest of the K-series as well... it's not really a VTEC even on the intake side

[sexy_shazam]

I always thought the point of a civic type R was a quick and nimble high revving pocket rocket. Wouldn't forced induction change this a bit?

[Fredoops]

I always thought the point of a civic type R was a quick and nimble high revving pocket rocket. Wouldn't forced induction change this a bit?
it'll change... completely

[sexy_shazam]

it'll change... completely

but if its a small low down turbo wouldn't that mean you can hit the higher rev ranges and VTEC can kick in sooner which would be a good thing right? or is going turbo more problems than its worth?

[Fredoops]

but if its a small low down turbo wouldn't that mean you can hit the higher rev ranges and VTEC can kick in sooner which would be a good thing right? or is going turbo more problems than its worth?
When turbocharger give boost, the VTEC has to turn to it's OPEN/HIGH profile to allow the air in (tech heads welcome to correct me), so you're bascially VTEC'in the moment Turbo starts to work....

[blastnpast]

Let's just rephrase this.. Would we all be surprised if this is never released in Australia - Much like the FD2R we never got it here for a numerous amounts of reasons for some reason i can't see Australia getting it.

Back to the thread it would be great to see A factory Honda turbo set up as Many of the Honda owners especially in the states already pushed their engines to pull crazy time due to a boost set up. I wonder what parts Honda will be using for this one to tag along with their motor.

IMO if they bring a boosted model make sure it's petrol and he'll bring out an N/A version incase people are against boost.

Lastly what is gonna happen if Australia does get this and in 15-20 years p platers want to drive a 'type r' like many of us do lol they better hope the Australian laws are back to driving an aspirated machine.

[mugen_ctr]

it'll change... completely

how would it change? No one has even driven it to compare it to the old models such as fd2r or fn2r for that matter

I say this would make the car much better than the old models, turbocharging has come along way, turbo lag is almost non existing in some new gen boosted cars and it will only get better......

If the chassis and suspension is well sorted out much like the fn2r as critics say, than this engine is what it needs too keep the compitiion on edge imo

[Fredoops]

how would it change? No one has even driven it to compare it to the old models such as fd2r or fn2r for that matter

I say this would make the car much better than the old models, turbocharging has come along way, turbo lag is almost non existing in some new gen boosted cars and it will only get better......

If the chassis and suspension is well sorted out much like the fn2r as critics say, than this engine is what it needs too keep the compitiion on edge imo

Having a turbocharged type R is like driving a diesel convertible.

Good idea, but it just doesnt feel the same.

[mugen_ctr]

Having a turbocharged type R is like driving a diesel convertible.

Good idea, but it just doesnt feel the same.

well u could say times are changing, but i do see where ur coming from.....the k20 is a 11 year old design, and with every passing year, new and stricter emissions are gonna eventually kill off the k20, much like the fn2r died off in Europe , but in a way, i think honda is heading in the right directions with this new move, not only by bringing in new customers but also making the type-R name more formidable in the eyes of the world, if the new type-R can keep up with the WRX or the lancer turbo, for similar or less price, than honda is defs making a good sports.

[sexy_shazam]

I do hope it sounds amazing id love it if it had a really nice deep tone.

The way I see it as the turbo helps with low down power which is a benefit and then when u hit say 5000 rpm it runs out of puff and VTEC kicks in. If its like this it will work very well

[WATAJK]

You guys do understand this will be allowed to be driven by P Platers right in Victoria (don't know about other states)
You will be able to get an exemption easily as it's a family car, good ANCAP rating most likely, good fuel econony etc..
The new 1.4L Holden Cruise which is turbo can be driven by P Platers....

Good bye to the True Type R Legacy...
Will be keeping my Integra for sure now.

[danNyja1]

My bet is that this will be released in Australia.
I remember my general manager saying
(who now got promoted to the board of directors for Honda Australia)
we will definitely import a new Type R variant when it becomes available.
Purpose to revitalise Honda's sport image in Australia

[junoki]

doesn't resemble anything of a true civic type r

[EVLGTR]

210, is that all?...the Type-S here does 210 without a turbo. Id get this civic if its lighter than the dc5r and most of all replace that shit-house torsion beam suspension in an FN2R

[EVLGTR]

but if its a small low down turbo wouldn't that mean you can hit the higher rev ranges and VTEC can kick in sooner which would be a good thing right? or is going turbo more problems than its worth?

where does it say it has VTEC engine?? it might have a non-vtec low compression engine to accommodate the turbo, is thats the case, it will have a huge tuning potential

[Setanta]

Different approach to the same end /=bad. This could be a good thing although Honda Australia will never compete with the Euro Turbos. Honda Sports sedans like the ITR and CTR are niche compared to the bland boxes that make up the Honda line and Honda Au are not well-known for competing with the Japanese/Korean offerings in terms of volume.

This will be a decent beast but will probably be the equivalent of the current AU CTR in terms of compromise - if Honda Au decide to go ahead with it.

Personally, I'd take a Bulldog Mk2 City Turbo over one :)

[flashcvc]

Big + to the design of the new type r... i dont prefer the fn2 design ( looks like a turtle IMO)....

not looking forward on the turbo though...

somehow the tail lights of this type r remind me of a celica

[mugen_ctr]

You guys do understand this will be allowed to be driven by P Platers right in Victoria (don't know about other states)
You will be able to get an exemption easily as it's a family car, good ANCAP rating most likely, good fuel econony etc..
The new 1.4L Holden Cruise which is turbo can be driven by P Platers....

Good bye to the True Type R Legacy...
Will be keeping my Integra for sure now.

P-platers have been driving cars more powerful than this 210hp civic previously, think VL turbo, wrx etc etc, infact my bro had a R33 skyline, with 200kw (back than it was alot LOL), an had one for the duration of his p-plates, an had no issues with it, at the end of the day, its all about driver education imo

but....how can ppl say they are not looking forward to the turbo or the car without even driving the vehicle, its like judging a book by its cover, thats just aint on....

As some said, the previous gen Type-R are nothing more than a niche market, this one on the other hand is for global market who wants a entry level sports car with a kick

sure some purist like you peeps will disagree about the turbo type-R, but if its not competitive to the level of the entry level sports car much like wrx or mx5, than u really gotta ask urself, why did u buy that car in the first place

[aaronng]

At 210hp, that gives it the same power as the Golf GTI. The question will then be whether the Type R is able to beat the GTI in all the other departments, which then turns it into a crapshot since some things will be better and some things will be worse. Heck, even the power deficient XR5T has 222hp!

I'm not Honda, but if it was me and I had to overcome the stigma of a design that looked like the un-sporty FN2R, I'd turn up the wick and aim my power specs towards cars such as the Megane RenaultSport's 250hp. Then it puts the Type R beyond the hot hatch (which is now the warm hatch since even an Aurion will kill it in a straight line) and into the serious hyper-hatch category of the Megane, Golf R and Scirocco R.

[dc2r-0636]

dont forget the focus rs with 224kw (300hp)

[WATAJK]

P-platers have been driving cars more powerful than this 210hp civic previously, think VL turbo, wrx etc etc, infact my bro had a R33 skyline, with 200kw (back than it was alot LOL), an had one for the duration of his p-plates, an had no issues with it, at the end of the day, its all about driver education imo

but....how can ppl say they are not looking forward to the turbo or the car without even driving the vehicle, its like judging a book by its cover, thats just aint on....

As some said, the previous gen Type-R are nothing more than a niche market, this one on the other hand is for global market who wants a entry level sports car with a kick

sure some purist like you peeps will disagree about the turbo type-R, but if its not competitive to the level of the entry level sports car much like wrx or mx5, than u really gotta ask urself, why did u buy that car in the first place

New laws my friend :)
New laws now don't allow you to drive ANY turbo/supercharged vehicle UNLESS you can obtain an exemption from VicRoads/RTA.
This exemption is only granted on the basis of the vehicle such as safety, 4 seats, low performance turbo'd car etc etc

Type R was based upon the philosophy of Naturally Aspirated, why go and change that philosophy ?
Build another car with the turbo dream but don't ruin the Type R.

That's my opinion... Plus by the way, if that photo becomes reality, it looks pretty shit to me..

[aaronng]

The new laws allow P platers to drive the turbodiesels such as the Golf 1.6 and 2.0L TDI's. The list of cars are on Vicroad's database which is searchable and very comprehensive. It tells you which car is approved, not allowed and allowed with application for exemption. http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Licences/GetYourPs/RestrictionsOnPs/ProbationaryVehicleDatabase.htm

[ringo]

At 210hp, that gives it the same power as the Golf GTI. The question will then be whether the Type R is able to beat the GTI in all the other departments, which then turns it into a crapshot since some things will be better and some things will be worse. Heck, even the power deficient XR5T has 222hp!

I'm not Honda, but if it was me and I had to overcome the stigma of a design that looked like the un-sporty FN2R, I'd turn up the wick and aim my power specs towards cars such as the Megane RenaultSport's 250hp. Then it puts the Type R beyond the hot hatch (which is now the warm hatch since even an Aurion will kill it in a straight line) and into the serious hyper-hatch category of the Megane, Golf R and Scirocco R.

Agreed. Moving away from their traditional NA values for what? I'm annoyed. If they were going to go the turbo route, at least they could do it properly. There is some serious competition in the turbo hatch market.

[h17am]

What's with the hate against turbos.
Turbos are awesome. I think if this thing does ever make production, it'll be so much better than the high revving NA motors.
More and more car companies are now also using turbos instead of NA engines as they need to comply with stricter emission laws.

210hp on an NA and 210hp on a turbo motor is not the same. I'll bet a dollar that the 210hp turbo motor will be much much nicer to drive everyday.
It'll have good torque down low, a more usable power band, etc etc. It's not the peak power you should be concerned with, it's the power under the curve!

I for one am quite sick of having such a highly strung small displacement NA motor. Sure it's nice to beat around the track at 9000revs all day... but drive it down around town and having no power down low sucks big time.
My brother swapped his S2000 for a golf gti and I have to say, that it is an improvement in daily driving. ~280Nm of torque at ~2000rpm, makes it a great car to drive around town.
So I went and got a diesel engined car... now I have 500Nm to play with. Now THAT's nice...

[connorling]

Ur brother is Erik?

[h17am]

No erik has an R32, not a GTi

[Fredoops]

What's with the hate against turbos.
Turbos are awesome. I think if this thing does ever make production, it'll be so much better than the high revving NA motors.
More and more car companies are now also using turbos instead of NA engines as they need to comply with stricter emission laws.

210hp on an NA and 210hp on a turbo motor is not the same. I'll bet a dollar that the 210hp turbo motor will be much much nicer to drive everyday.
It'll have good torque down low, a more usable power band, etc etc. It's not the peak power you should be concerned with, it's the power under the curve!

I for one am quite sick of having such a highly strung small displacement NA motor. Sure it's nice to beat around the track at 9000revs all day... but drive it down around town and having no power down low sucks big time.
My brother swapped his S2000 for a golf gti and I have to say, that it is an improvement in daily driving. ~280Nm of torque at ~2000rpm, makes it a great car to drive around town.
So I went and got a diesel engined car... now I have 500Nm to play with. Now THAT's nice...

We don't hate turbos, at all.
I personally LOVE the RenaultSport Megane Cup Chassis, its gotta be one of the BEST handling car I've ever driven.
I love also the Golf and Polo GTi.

Now, the problem isn't turbo, or drive-ability daily. The problem is Honda, having to resort to FI for their sports range because they've blown all the money into hybrid tech.

Honda having to resort to Forced induction and pretty much the same as Porsche having to resort to building Boxsters back in 1996 using 911 parts.
- it's out of necessity. Because Honda has no answer to the Euro hot hatches with the current part bin.

Remember Advanced-VTEC 5 years ago? It was said to be able to deliver more torque down low and more power up top AND lower emissions. They said it was "production ready for 2007" well turnout to be hot air
Remember direct injection on the Honda Stream? ("i-VTEC i"), back in 2003? not continued, despite the benefits.

I reckon having direct injection coupled with Advanced-VTEC could see Honda N/A's give any turbo a run for their money.

Being a pain in the ass to live with was a part of Type-R heritage tho....

[h17am]

Resorting to turbo is a necessity indeed.
You may think that a-vtec + direct injection would give turbo motors a run for their money, but Honda probably had looked at it and said:
"Na... screw this... it's too complicated and too expensive. Even if we could make it work, it'll be too expensive to make and sell."

And even if they did make it, the turbo squad isn't going to stand still either, all they'll do is just up the boost a little bit and get even more power.
Then what will Honda do? Put flux capacitors? Invent RA-VVVVtec-i type SR-SiR-VTiSRTi DI FSI-R? What ever that is...

When that happens, Honda's competitors will just go: "meh... let's ummmmm.... up the boost, that'll do it." Then voila... an RA-VVVVTEC-i type SR-SiR-VTiSRTi DI FSI-R killer.

Being a pain in the ass to live with is not something car makers should be proud of imo.

[kamishonda]

I wanna lick it!!!

[shepparton]

good thing honda finaly make turbo .. so it will very easy to play with power this time

[aero]

well if they're not gonna add more power from factory to match the renaults or vw Rs, then i hope it will be much cheaper than them and have the potential for big gains with some aftermarket tuning

[sexy_shazam]

where does it say it has VTEC engine?? it might have a non-vtec low compression engine to accommodate the turbo, is thats the case, it will have a huge tuning potential

Don't all Honda engines now come with some form of VTEC?

My understanding is that the Civic Type R hatch is built and designed and all in Europe in the Swindon factory right?
What would be the difference if the factory had nothing to do with the car and the entire car was designed, engineered and built in Japan or Thailand?

[mugen_ctr]

Don't all Honda engines now come with some form of VTEC?

My understanding is that the Civic Type R hatch is built and designed and all in Europe in the Swindon factory right?
What would be the difference if the factory had nothing to do with the car and the entire car was designed, engineered and built in Japan or Thailand?

sure do, infact majority of main stream engines from most manufactures have some form of variable timing simply because it reduces fuel consumption, and odds are they will incorporate the vtec system within there new engine.....
IF it had Direct injection, that would be a bonus.

[Fredoops]

sure do, infact majority of main stream engines from most manufactures have some form of variable timing simply because it reduces fuel consumption, and odds are they will incorporate the vtec system within there new engine.....
IF it had Direct injection, that would be a bonus.

Like the K23 turbo in the states, it'll have "Vtec" but not in the traditional sense, I read somewhere it's missing some of the VTEC components to accommodate the turbo, hence some people call it "half a VTEC"

[Symphorced]

ITT: Honda fanboys not accepting reality.

[EKVTIR-T]

Seems Mitsubishi is going in another direction with the next evo with diesel hybrid

http://performancedrive.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Mitsubishi-Lancer-Evolution-XI-concept.jpg

http://performancedrive.com.au/mitsubishi-lancer-evolution-xi-diesel-hybrid-confirmed-by-2014/

[Fredoops]

electric motor....
500NM avail from 0 rpm.... go figure.

[EVLGTR]

Heres something interesting while were on a turbo hatch topic

concept only
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/n/i/nissan_juke_r_01-4e8b85a6a56fd-m,3A610x450.jpg.pagespeed.ce.UsKT5KREJ4.jpg

I dont know if this turbo civic type r could even match it...

"As reported earlier here www.themotorreport.com.au, the R version of the off-the-wall Juke compact SUV is driven by the GT-R's twin-turbo 3.8 litre twin-turbo V6.
In GT-R form, the big turbo six produces 390kW and 612Nm of torque. For the Juke-R, Nissan's engineers have pulled power back to a still impressive 358kW - a good deal more thrust than its normal 1.6 litre engine.
Nissan says it will build two examples of the turbocharged all-wheel-drive Juke-R, one in left-hand-drive and one for the right."

[EKVTIR-T]

http://performancedrive.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Nissan-Juke-R-unveiled.jpg

http://performancedrive.com.au/nissan-juke-r-unveiled-in-full-by-surprise-in-spain/

[EVLGTR]

^^ Thats the reason why a change in the game is always good. new age boy-racers...

[Touge Tom]

I gotta feeling it'll work like a turbo mivec. A big cam to get the turbo spoiling in the low revs. And a small cam for the high revs to eliminate valve overlap, so the boost won't just blow out the exhaust port before the exhaust valve closes.

[BlitZ]

dislike. No thanks.
Type R is based upon N/A. That's honda's heritage. Stick to what they do best.
If they wanna do a turbo car, at least make it RWD but this Type R will be FWD... Will have a crap load or torque steer and understeer i bet probably... thats if it remains FWD which they most likely will as they will want to keep $$$ down
Rear looks ugly as hell i must say....

Totally agree... Fwd turbo is just gay.
U need the progressive power of an na or at least a supercharger to lay the power down.

Even when u drive a powerful Honda. It will be like driving on lubricant compared to all or rear wheel drive

[BlitZ]

Honda should just bring back:
1/ LSD
2/ lighter chasis
3/ high revs
4/ cornering ability

All this is lost..

Maybe byp can do a k24 swap for u if u buy this turbo version? Strip it down maybe too?

[Touge Tom]

Totally agree... Fwd turbo is just gay.
U need the progressive power of an na or at least a supercharger to lay the power down.

Even when u drive a powerful Honda. It will be like driving on lubricant compared to all or rear wheel drive
are you serious? i drive a positive displacement supercharged b20vtec in a dc2 and the low down torque from idle is KY jelly X 10. s/c is too much torque too early, but you gotta have the taste for it. or did you mean a centrifugal supercharger?

[jonnyfoxx]

hott!

[HONTUNE]

First ever Honda turbo car?
Honda city pro-t?

[Fredoops]

First ever Honda turbo car?
Honda city pro-t?

And Acura ZDX...

[BlitZ]

are you serious? i drive a positive displacement supercharged b20vtec in a dc2 and the low down torque from idle is KY jelly X 10. s/c is too much torque too early, but you gotta have the taste for it. or did you mean a centrifugal supercharger?

but its all relative to the power of the turbo and/or supercharger..

Supercharger will be may more predicatble through a corner and is controlled by your foot..

Whereas turbo... god knows that happens mid corner

[Touge Tom]

Yeah, all relative to throttle position.

[aaronng]

Totally agree... Fwd turbo is just gay.
U need the progressive power of an na or at least a supercharger to lay the power down.

The turbos used on todays modern cars are usually variable vane which don't have the issue of spooling up. No more turbo lag, so it is actually just as progressive as a tuned NA engine.


And Acura ZDX...
Acura RDX. The ZDX uses an NA J37 engine.

[WATAJK]

ITT: Honda fanboys not accepting reality.

Yup.

N/A is there heritage, stick to what you know best.
I see this car having major mechanical problems, sorry to say guys.
Hope im wrong

[blk_shadow]

should've been built with Mugen Supercharger instead, if they really want to go boost.

[liberx]

To everyone who's crying into their milk over Honda going Turbo (or maybe supercharged): there are only 2 options for Honda. Either make performance cars with forced induction, or don't do performance cars at all.

Stricter emissions standards simply do not allow for NA high outputs as Honda has produced in the past. Yes, that is the Type-R heritage, no there is no future in it. Honda has to move on - and by hopefully applying the same engineering standards as in the past, they can do a kick arse car and redefine the Type-R badge along the way.

Hell, look at BMW with the M3. Started out 2.5 four cylinder, then went screaming six, then V8. Now they have to go back to 6 cylinder Turbo (next model). Similar story with M5 - have to go from V10 to V8 Turbo. Same reason.

If Ford, Renault and VW can do Turbo FWD that can get power down and handle brilliantly then I'm pretty confident Honda can do the same. Whether they will or not is another question. I at least want Honda to give it a crack and stop disadvantaging themselves by not using turbo or supercharging, direct injection, revo-knuckles, LSD or any other technology of clear benefit for the sake of heritage or whatever other excuse anyone can think of.

I just want Honda to pull their finger out.

[Touge Tom]

this would be great if they actually do this and stop talking bout it? a great tuning base to begin with. high flow filter and cat with 3'inch ex-system and a reflash job done!

[IV73CI]

hopefully there will be a full FMIC ..like seen in the factory turbo cars nowadays ..

then that will allow ppl to unleash the dragon/power by reflashing or changing the EMS for its full potential.

wonder if they will come forged pistons as well? and an in-dash boost gauge etc ...

i guess only time will tell.

we'd be lucky to even get this in Aust ... lol

[Stevil]

hhhmm...interesting, looks like we wont have to wait too much longer. This development mule was spotted near Nurburgring !! obviously not the real exterior, I hope !!

http://www.caradvice.com.au/175303/honda-civic-type-r-mule-spy-photos/

http://madmick3006.com/ahngallery/upload/files/2012-06/037af346.jpg

[HmGLuCaS]

keen to see what honda makes of the turbo, hopefully useful. The styling reminds of the fn2 just more redefined, but over imo ugly. :D

[Foxx]

Turbo in a honda = DUMB

And car itself looks ugly

[iijjee]

Does anyone remember how the turbo Honda engine went in F1 back in 1987 - Prost and Senna's day??

Not too shabby...

Six cylinders - 1450cc - 14000rpm - and umm... ample power - around 1050hp!

They know how and don't be surprised if the capacity is less than 1800cc...

[Fredoops]

Does anyone remember how the turbo Honda engine went in F1 back in 1987 - Prost and Senna's day??

Not too shabby...

Six cylinders - 1450cc - 14000rpm - and umm... ample power - around 1050hp!

They know how and don't be surprised if the capacity is less than 1800cc...

F1 engine =\= road going

We already know it's 1600 -1800 cc ish (leaning more to 1600cc)
the only other petrol turbo car honda has is a K23 on Acura's

[blk_shadow]

they are bringing out the GT300 CRZ with hybrid 2.8L V6 twin Turbo

[DC2-PWR]

An article (http://www.autoblog.com/2012/07/19/new-honda-civic-type-r-approved/) came up yesturday regarding new civic type r is approved

Also says
If the report is to be believed, the next CTR will not have the naturally aspirated K20 VTEC engine pointing the way – that motor's lack of compliance with Euro emissions regulations being the reason the Civic Type R was discontinued. The Auto Express report predicts a 210-horsepower, 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder developed by Mugen – that would be up 12 horsepower from the 2010 model, but down 46 horses on the limited edition Type R tuned by Mugen that was "a tribute to the Honda K20" engine and part of the last model's run. It's said the 2013 will feature a stop/start system and a six-speed manual

Tuned by Mugen say what!!

[aaronng]

An article (http://www.autoblog.com/2012/07/19/new-honda-civic-type-r-approved/) came up yesturday regarding new civic type r is approved

Also says
If the report is to be believed, the next CTR will not have the naturally aspirated K20 VTEC engine pointing the way – that motor's lack of compliance with Euro emissions regulations being the reason the Civic Type R was discontinued. The Auto Express report predicts a 210-horsepower, 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder developed by Mugen – that would be up 12 horsepower from the 2010 model, but down 46 horses on the limited edition Type R tuned by Mugen that was "a tribute to the Honda K20" engine and part of the last model's run. It's said the 2013 will feature a stop/start system and a six-speed manual

Tuned by Mugen say what!!

I'm disappointed by the power output, especially from a 2.0 L turbo engine. Hate to say this, but I'd prefer Ford's 2.0 L ecoboost engine which makes 177 kW in the Ford Escape or 188 kW in the Focus ST.

[Fredoops]

I'm disappointed by the power output, especially from a 2.0 L turbo engine. Hate to say this, but I'd prefer Ford's 2.0 L ecoboost engine which makes 177 kW in the Ford Escape or 188 kW in the Focus ST.
Or 221kw out of a Alfa 1.8 liter.

What Vtec, Multi-air now


Ps: somewhat it's tuned by mugen? When was the last time Mugen mass produced forced induction parts?

[hphillip]

looks nice - positive change from current shape.

Turbo motor will divide the purists!

[HondaTurboVtec]

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/54265/its-back-2013-honda-civic-type-r-spied-testing-in-europe confirmed Civic Type R!

[Stevil]

The Honda Civic Type-R is officially back.

Honda CEO Takanobu Ito confirmed the return of the hot-hatch cult hero during a mid-year speech this afternoon, in which he outlined the Japanese manufacturer’s direction for the next decade.

Ito said Honda aimed to launch the new Civic Type-R by 2015, as his company sought to “fulfil customer expectations” of a new performance hatchback.

“With the application of technologies which will be cultivated through participation in WTCC (World Touring Car Championship) starting this year, the all-new Civic Type-R is being developed with the goal of becoming the fastest front-wheel drive vehicle on the Nurburgring race course,” he said.

The revelation that the new model will draw on technology from WTCC almost certainly confirms the fourth-generation Civic Type-R will be powered by a turbocharged engine.

Honda’s WTCC race cars are powered by 1.6-litre direct-injection turbocharged four-cylinder petrol engines – a configuration that is expected to carry over into the production model.

The decision to embrace a forced induction powerplant would represent a significant shift in Honda’s ideology, with the brand historically priding itself on its high-revving naturally aspirated engines.

The trend of engine downsizing and turbocharging is widespread throughout the automotive industry, as manufacturers pursue the desirable combination of high power and torque outputs and low fuel consumption.

Honda was forced to stop production of the previous-generation Civic Type-R because its naturally aspirated 2.0-litre engine failed to meet a number of countries’ emissions regulations.

CarAdvice’s spy photographers snapped a Civic Type-R mule with a large rear wing undergoing testing at the Nurburgring in June, suggesting that development of the all-new hot-hatch is already underway.

To achieve their goal of making the new Type-R the fastest front-wheel drive car around the Nurburgring, Honda’s engineers will have to at least better the time set by the 195kW/360Nm turbocharged Renault Megane RS265, which lapped the famous 20.8km Nordschleife circuit in 8 minutes 7.79 seconds late last year.

The Honda Civic Type-R will be produced alongside the standard Civic hatchback at Honda’s plant in Swindon, UK.

http://madmick3006.com/ahngallery/upload/files/2012-09/3ba98447.jpg

[Fredoops]

heard this is due out 2015, and Renault set the record back in 2011....

[Stevil]

Haha why are they taking so long ?? FFS !

[Rado]

Good news but good luck with the record! By then surely Renault will release another Megane haha

[PHO]

heard this is due out 2015, and Renault set the record back in 2011....

lol you a renault lover or some shit? lmzooo

Thats like saying nissan in 2002 wanting the R35 gtr to beat the 911 when its finally released in 2008/9 when they already held it in 2002 or whatever blah blah blah.

Called a goal mate.



Also, nur might not even exist in '15. so *shrugs*

[Fredoops]

lol you a renault lover or some shit? lmzooo

Thats like saying nissan in 2002 wanting the R35 gtr to beat the 911 when its finally released in 2008/9 when they already held it in 2002 or whatever blah blah blah.

Called a goal mate.



Also, nur might not even exist in '15. so *shrugs*
Without Renault and Carlos Ghosn there would be no R35 GTR. The French CEO of Nissan-Renault drove that project from brink of cancellation, your beloved JDM is 1/2 French.

I'm not a Renault lover, and certainly no *fanboi* of any brand. I'm just someone with a memory and some perspective of what happens when Honda sets a 5 year goal

Aryan Senna's car in the late 80 early 90's. "To rival and beat Ferrari", then the F355 came out....

The new generation NSX... V10 to V8 to cancelled, revived and became an American Acura hybrid.

CRZ - spiritual successor of the Crx, the SPORT hybrid... guess we all know how that turned out.

History. It doesn't lie does it. Honda has a tendency to underdeliver when they speak of the world and blow your mind away when they don't promise anything.

[PHO]

Understood.

[DreadAngel]

Pretty sure the Trophy/Cup versions that are usually used by the Euro makers boast semi-race spec brakes and tires, etc?

I know Type-R hardware usually quite good but can't top that =P

[Fredoops]

Pretty sure the Trophy/Cup versions that are usually used by the Euro makers boast semi-race spec brakes and tires, etc?

I know Type-R hardware usually quite good but can't top that =P

Honda can beat them if they put in the type of effort they put in the FD2R.

But I have doubts tho, since this next CTR seems to be a Honda Europe product.

[DreadAngel]

That's true... BM FD2R v R26R v Cooper Works (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZBBf6S9gpY)

Honda Europe so I'd expect more FN2R erm, issues lol

[Fredoops]

That's true... BM FD2R v R26R v Cooper Works (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZBBf6S9gpY)

Honda Europe so I'd expect more FN2R erm, issues lol

Jesus that FD2R was a handful to drive.

That Renault... sweet lord.... little yellow turd just darts outta the corner.

heres another one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjeQp6YkPUw

[DreadAngel]

Yeah man, the FD2R gave Keiichi a workout, not surprised at the Renault Megane R26R being so damn fast...

Just look at the specs of it! Just think of it like the Megane R26 ---> R26R like the 911 GT3 ---> GT3 RS... All sorts of crazy weight reduction, semi-race spec parts, etc... BM didn't show what specs that R26R was, there was the option of having Toyo R888 on it, I suspect though it had only the standard Michelin PS2...

Still FD2R, not much chance against a 2L Turbo car that lighter, has more peak power and torque which also comes in earlier in the rev range.

Clio 197 Sport was it? Not really surprised it upstaged the FN2R...

[integraR]

links : http://www.themotorreport.com.au/56107/new-civic-type-r-to-make-at-least-200kw-225-in-sights-report



http://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/h/o/honda_civic_wtcc_01-0308-450x240.jpg

[Vvvtec]

Honda have also, begun working on a new 1.6L turbo motor for the new F1 regulations coming into effect next year.

Hopefully with their involvement in F1 again, Honda will introduce some of the old 'sportiness" back into their lineup.

[infurNOS]

All Wheel Drive - nice!!

[Vvvtec]

All Wheel steering - nice!!

Faxed

[infurNOS]

Faxed

yea thanks...

[Rage King]

time to start saving up those "traffic lights window cleaning income" and imma buy one of these :P

[carayan]

http://motoring.ninemsn.com.au/cars/news/8757798/driven-all-new-honda-civic-type-r



Powered by an all-new 2.0-litre turbocharged four, the new Type R will officially produce 206kW and 400Nm, but if the engineers get their way, expect the angry hatch to produce much more.

Speaking exclusively to Wheels, Honda’s chief engine engineer, Ayuma Matsuo, revealed that plans are already underway to wring out more power.

"It’s very capable," he said, "220kW or more, we are hoping. But we’re also looking to improve fuel economy. Currently it’s just under 8.0L/100km.”


http://motoring.ninemsn.com.au/img/123/article/wheels/gallery/honda1.jpg

[[stealth]]

Finally the right application but now on the wrong car :/

[amant02]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20gB9-ufJP4

I know the host sounds like a fag, but its got info. The NSX gonna be twin turbo! ....hybrid.

[connorling]

i think its a step to the right direction.

u could only push so much more out of a 2L NA engine to the point its un-daily-able.

and the after market modify companies have to spend lot more time to gain result on NA honda engine, therefore parts are more expensive than say modify parts for factory turbo parts.

[ITEAZR]

i dont mind the shape. i hope they release some sort of type r sedan in aus

[DreadAngel]

i think its a step to the right direction.

u could only push so much more out of a 2L NA engine to the point its un-daily-able.

and the after market modify companies have to spend lot more time to gain result on NA honda engine, therefore parts are more expensive than say modify parts for factory turbo parts.

I was hoping for a more advanced VTEC system to feature on the last 2L NA before the switch to FI but Euro emissions pushing for everyone to go to extremes to reduce emissions.

[aaronng]

Concept revealed. Great engine, but still FWD. It probably needed the 20" wheels for grip! The old prototype ran on 19" only.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1710210.1393958258!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/honda-civic-type-front.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1710211.1393958381!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/honda-civic-type-rear.jpg

[RenzokukenJ]

Looks strangely like the new wrx

[blk_shadow]

hopefully the tailights stay that way into production.
extended all the way to the spoiler.

[amant02]

FOOKN SEXY!

Will buy if production looks exactly like this... or better.

[axispower]

Looks really good. Honda finally woke up.

[aaronng]

Supposedly from the test drive of the prototype, there is no turbo lag. This will be interesting, I want to find out if this is true, as it will be a big advantage over the Euro hot hatches (R, S3, RS265).

If Honda has somehow used VTEC to eliminate turbo lag, then my faith in Honda's technological strength will be renewed!

[WATAJK]

Might consider for a new daily me thinks!

[blk_shadow]

I heard this new Earth Dreams technology is quite good in terms of producing torque and in fuel efficiency

[VT3C]

Couldn't resist ;)

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k210/VTEChnique/Gaijin-Garage/CTR-Concept_Chopped_02_zpsef0a4552.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k210/VTEChnique/Gaijin-Garage/CTR-Concept_Chopped_01_zpsed367645.jpg

[amant02]

Aftermarket support has already begun? Wot. I don't even have the car yet.

[curtis265]

It's a photoshop m8.

a very good one too :thumbsup:

[Wiz Khalifa]

http://youtu.be/9C4pXK9dosQ HAHA I love this guy what a pump up

[u mad?]

lol it looks like an fn2.... only uglier (is that even possible? lol)

[destrukshn]

i'd buy one.

[curtis265]

love that spoiler tail light thing

[Fr3aKi3]

A few more videos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuCexlzlWlQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQyiXqVlA8A


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2KNFWW-PV4

[Leekie]

Very interested to see the VTEC Turbo combo!

[flop101]

Has anyone heard anything about pre ordering from a dealership?

[nedkerry]

I'm saving up now!
I only heard about this a couple of months ago and initially thought it was ugly. But over time, it's really growing on me!
Can't wait to read/watch/listen to any reviews in the near future.

[flop101]

How much do you think its going to end up costing?

[nedkerry]

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/civic/85978/honda-civic-type-r-2015-price-release-date-and-specs
"The Honda Civic Type R price will be around £30,000, in order for it to compete with its main hot hatch rivals [VW Golf R, Ford Focus RS]."

That's about $55000AUD.

[flop101]

You have to subtract 20% VAT then do the conversion.
It will work out to be more like ~$40000

[nedkerry]

You have to subtract 20% VAT then do the conversion.
It will work out to be more like ~$40000

Yeah, good point!
Anyone know how to roughly calculate the additional taxes and expenses that goes with importing it to Australia?

The skeptic in me thinks it'll still be around $50K to align with the Golf GTI, Golf R, Focus RS, and Renault Megane RS265.
In saying that though, when the FN2R came to Australia, prices did start from $40K.

[Torell]

ive also heard closer to 40k, but in saying that it will prob be before onroads, so still closer to 45k.

then cos type r parts are so hard to come by, your gonna opt for all the extras....

so we r looking at atleast 200 kw, FWD, and my guess is a shorter rev tacho about 7.5k. Im also going to guess it will be a two stage vtec :D

[flop101]

What factory extras did the fn2r come with?
I thought all the inside trims came standard?

[DreadAngel]

Honda Australia won't be so kind, figure it to be around $50K...

When have they ever tried to be competitive with they 'hot' models... Lolz

[nedkerry]

ive also heard closer to 40k, but in saying that it will prob be before onroads, so still closer to 45k.

then cos type r parts are so hard to come by, your gonna opt for all the extras....

so we r looking at atleast 200 kw, FWD, and my guess is a shorter rev tacho about 7.5k. Im also going to guess it will be a two stage vtec :D
:D
http://www.imotortimes.com/2015-honda-civic-type-r-benchmarked-against-360-hp-a45-amg-turbo-hatch-promise-sub-8-31202
"The strength of the new Honda Civic Type R will come from a 2.0 litre turbocharged four-cylinder petrol engine, capable of developing at least 280 hp, although some reports indicate that the engine could generate up to 320 hp."

[flop101]

It will most likely be limited to 280hp and then post flash pro it will hit 320hp. If its as good as the hype up is, then I see it on sale for $45k easy. That said, and with fan boy mentality aside, how do you justify spending that much on a car in a similar category price wise to a golf r ?
Regardless, I would like to see how it faired against the a45.

[nedkerry]

Assuming it's $45K though, that's ~$10K less expensive than a Golf R.
I think the A45 (AMG) is something like ~$85K.

[curtis265]

i thoguht the golf R's were 65k

that would effectively make it the same class in a different price bracket

[EKVTIR-T]

Fwd tho......

[flop101]

My bad, was meant to say golf gti not golf r.
In saying that, I guess the trade off is peformamce vs creature comforts.

[flop101]

Is thr general consensus that red, white, black and silver will be adhered to as the paint options? The only thing ive read thus far is thay the red has gold flakes in it and the test car is black.

[flop101]

http://carsales.mobi/editorial/details/ED-ITM-45026

[flop101]

Well there goes the excitment for 2015

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Well there goes the excitment for 2015
That just gives us time to get money sorted out.

I hope they bring the S660 here too.

[Torell]

a250 amg is 250kw tho :/ different ball game.

[flop101]

I read somewhere that the type r is quicker around the nurburgring than the amg

[nedkerry]

Boo-urns 2016! :(
Still going to be super exciting when it comes out though! :D

[flop101]

By that stage the mark 7 golf r should be available for $50k second hand

[Vvvtec]

watajk

[flop101]

Hopefully the finished product doesn't look like this:
http://m.motoring.com.au/news/small-passenger/honda/civic/spy-pics-honda-civic-type-r-at-the-nurburgring-45462

[MR.K]

Is the auto transmission OK? or is it crap like the 5th gen preludes gearbox?

"Its outdated automatic transmissions will also be replaced in most cases by new-generation CVTs, although performance versions will get an impressive new eight-ratio DCT with paddles and an industry-first torque converter (generally the province of single-clutch units) to smoothen take-offs at low speeds.

In terms of new engines, while the hardcore 206kW/400Nm 2.0-litre direct-injection VTEC turbo destined for the reborn Civic Type R in 2015 is the star of the show, new ‘downsized’ 1.0-litre three-cylinder and 1.5-litre four-cylinder VTEC turbo units are arguably bigger news still.

We drove a Civic hatch mule fitted with this engine, matched with a six-speed manual gearbox, but a CVT version will be available from the get-go. The car pulled with gusto from 1500rpm, and had the hatch hustling at close to 200km/h on the straight of our closed circuit. "

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/96AA996E5B84724FCA257C2800085DB9

[amant02]

The delay only looks bad on Honda, this now gives competition time to make something better. Why deliver today's technology tomorrow.

[flop101]

They (Honda), are most likely banking on the fanboys staying loyal and buying the "iconic" race-bred type r platform models regardless of the time of production. That being said, I feel thr delay in production might be potentially negated if the new type r is competitively priced (fingers crossed). Either way, im getting back into the market for an s2k to satisfy dem vtec feels ive been missing.

[chunky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAHI9XD8nzA

http://jalopnik.com/the-276-hp-honda-civic-type-r-will-be-the-most-extreme-1640256870

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/verezjlalszkz13mico3.jpg

I'm excited haha

[EKVTIR-T]

276hp fwd


no thanks

kudos for honda going with boost tho :thumbsup:

[Torell]

SO im pretty excited bout this new civic.

From what im reading, it will come with a beefed up 6 speed manual (no auto despite what some people have said)
Also, continuing the lines of the existing civic means keeping cost down.

But, im confused about one thing. i keep hearing vtec turbo, but yesterday i was reading i-vtec turbo. less exciting?

[amant02]

SO im pretty excited bout this new civic.

From what im reading, it will come with a beefed up 6 speed manual (no auto despite what some people have said)
Also, continuing the lines of the existing civic means keeping cost down.

But, im confused about one thing. i keep hearing vtec turbo, but yesterday i was reading i-vtec turbo. less exciting?

Why would I vtec turbo be less exciting?

If anything, I VTEC will make the turbo spool quicker noimsayin?

Since the ecu can retard/distort the cam shaft angles to get the best angle for intake and exhaust from low rpm like 1.5k.

Wouldn't this only help the turbo start its talk from earlier rpm? When we WOT.

PS:Thisisjustwhatimadeuponthespot

[RenzokukenJ]

Is the auto transmission OK? or is it crap like the 5th gen preludes gearbox?

"Its outdated automatic transmissions will also be replaced in most cases by new-generation CVTs, although performance versions will get an impressive new eight-ratio DCT with paddles and an industry-first torque converter (generally the province of single-clutch units) to smoothen take-offs at low speeds.

In terms of new engines, while the hardcore 206kW/400Nm 2.0-litre direct-injection VTEC turbo destined for the reborn Civic Type R in 2015 is the star of the show, new ‘downsized’ 1.0-litre three-cylinder and 1.5-litre four-cylinder VTEC turbo units are arguably bigger news still.

We drove a Civic hatch mule fitted with this engine, matched with a six-speed manual gearbox, but a CVT version will be available from the get-go. The car pulled with gusto from 1500rpm, and had the hatch hustling at close to 200km/h on the straight of our closed circuit. "

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/96AA996E5B84724FCA257C2800085DB9
It has dsg

276hp fwd


no thanks

kudos for honda going with boost tho :thumbsup:
S14 all day

[Torell]

Why would I vtec turbo be less exciting?

If anything, I VTEC will make the turbo spool quicker noimsayin?

PS:Thisisjustwhatimadeuponthespot


I nowhatyasayin however, no. the ivtec wont effect how early the boost spools. and having max power at low revs is as bad as having vtec killer cams lol.

I Vtec will prob help with smoothness in any part of the revs which might have soft spots or pressure loss or something. also, with fuel economy.

[MR.K]

Do you guys reckon the front cut of the new Turbo VTEC civic will ever go down to around $6,000? if so how long? and how long would it take for Hasport or something to make a conversion kit for a ED civic or EK civic

[EKVTIR-T]

Do you guys reckon the front cut of the new Turbo VTEC civic will ever go down to around $6,000? if so how long? and how long would it take for Hasport or something to make a conversion kit for a ED civic or EK civic
yes

3 years later

[DreadAngel]

Do you guys reckon the front cut of the new Turbo VTEC civic will ever go down to around $6,000? if so how long? and how long would it take for Hasport or something to make a conversion kit for a ED civic or EK civic

Why bother? Its most likely to feature other annoying stuff you have to convert or adapt...

[amant02]

I nowhatyasayin however, no. the ivtec wont effect how early the boost spools. and having max power at low revs is as bad as having vtec killer cams lol.

I Vtec will prob help with smoothness in any part of the revs which might have soft spots or pressure loss or something. also, with fuel economy.

oh Damn i thought of the equation to be, more air intook = more air out in the exhaust = more air to spool the shuuuuu = more compressed air back inside the piston.


Do you guys reckon the front cut of the new Turbo VTEC civic will ever go down to around $6,000? if so how long? and how long would it take for Hasport or something to make a conversion kit for a ED civic or EK civic

I think the days of old chassis swaps are numbered now. Honda has promised new'er versions aka the lightest chassis they have ever made...... how can they get lighter then eg? But they have promised.

[MR.K]

Why bother? Its most likely to feature other annoying stuff you have to convert or adapt...

Because i really like the look of the ED and EK civics, also i thought it would be lighter and also i always wanted a sleeper..
what other annoying stuff do you need to convert/ adapt? Is it alot harder to do than a k-swap?

also, do you reckon people are gonna start putting the Turbo VTEC engines in mr2 spyders like the K- swap spyders

[curtis265]

Because i really like the look of the ED and EK civics, also i thought it would be lighter and also i always wanted a sleeper..
what other annoying stuff do you need to convert/ adapt? Is it alot harder to do than a k-swap?

also, do you reckon people are gonna start putting the Turbo VTEC engines in mr2 spyders like the K- swap spyders

nobody will know until the car comes out. I suspect it will be very fiddly

[aaronng]

Because i really like the look of the ED and EK civics, also i thought it would be lighter and also i always wanted a sleeper..
what other annoying stuff do you need to convert/ adapt? Is it alot harder to do than a k-swap?

also, do you reckon people are gonna start putting the Turbo VTEC engines in mr2 spyders like the K- swap spyders
With enough money, anything is possible.

[Vvvtec]

Because i really like the look of the ED and EK civics, also i thought it would be lighter and also i always wanted a sleeper..
what other annoying stuff do you need to convert/ adapt? Is it alot harder to do than a k-swap?

also, do you reckon people are gonna start putting the Turbo VTEC engines in mr2 spyders like the K- swap spyders

Just boost a k motor

[Torell]

Hey people, trying to boost (no pun intended) more interest in the new civic!

Could duel bonnet vents suggest DUEL INTERCOOLERS?

And as if you would go a boosted k series over the new 2lt earth dreams (sounds like an organic juice)

[amant02]

That 400nm of talk.

Only thing making think twice is, still FF.

[Torell]

dude u got a dc2r wots with the ff dissing lol

[integraR]

That 400nm of talk.

Only thing making think twice is, still FF.

dude u got a slow dc5r wots with the ff dissing lol n8

[amant02]

Not dissing.

I love it. Very fun.

Been driving FF for 6 years now. Might explain why.

[EKVTIR-T]

http://s13.postimg.org/px8655o9v/avatar33437_2.jpg

[Vvvtec]

Cant drift new type r

Fukin hondies

Should be less write off's compared to 86/brz ratio

[Fredoops]

Should be less write off's compared to 86/brz ratio

...dont be so sure of that.....

[amant02]

Understeers scares kunts moar then oversteer.

Whats moar fun is oversteering in your FWD

[integraR]

http://i.imgur.com/c2AMIee.jpg

[u mad?]

lmao rekt

[chunky]

https://www.youtube.com/user/HondaVideo

[Parsout]

W&K Did an amazing job with the new campaign for the UK. Hit your R key while watching that video for fun times.

[shepparton]

The new Honda Civic Type R hot hatch is available to order now, with a price of around £30,000 and a 290bhp turbocharg

Read more:*http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/civic/85978/honda-civic-type-r-2015-goes-on-sale-details-and-specs


who is waiting to order one?

[Rudy]

not for 60k

[junoki]

Nice but fk not 60k

[Fredoops]

Lol 60k?

Yeha..... Nah

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Why is everyone snubbing the potential $60,000 price tag?







What was the FN2R brand new?






W&K Did an amazing job with the new campaign for the UK. Hit your R key while watching that video for fun times.

My key must be retard.

[curtis265]

Why is everyone snubbing the potential $60,000 price tag?







What was the FN2R brand new?







My key must be retard.

40-45k

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

40-45k
So, Honda pretty much said to themselves:


"They buy FN2R 45k + 15K for turbro's...









Dem Handa fags gun buy dis shiii"

[amant02]

I have read somewhere its gonna compete with the GT86 price tag.

I'd expect to pay little bit more. Say like 5k more.

[Torell]

I have read somewhere its gonna compete with the GT86 price tag.

I'd expect to pay little bit more. Say like 5k more.

lol...

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

I have read somewhere its gonna compete with the GT86 price tag.

I'd expect to pay little bit more. Say like 5k more.
I don't see this happening, but would like it to happen.

Let's see if Honda nails the complete package?

[RenzokukenJ]

I heard the bird is the word

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

I heard the bird is the word
But every body knows










































that bird is the word

[Vvvtec]

the mird is the dird

[lolmclol]

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/new-civic-type-r-capable-of-270kmh-20150212-13cfrj.html


lmzo

no hondie speed racer until 2017

[RenzokukenJ]

Inb4discontinued in 2016

[Fredoops]

Yep, they still don't get it lololok

[chunky]

http://www.caradvice.com.au/339896/honda-civic-type-r-revealed-in-full/

http://3-ps.googleusercontent.com/hk/QfFbG2TN5yVZ-d0l4wVSEEmYC_/www.caradvice.com.au/thumb/960/477/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/xhonda-civic-type-r-1.jpg.pagespeed.ic.tWNHLh3vhZngx9TN27vy.jpg

http://2-ps.googleusercontent.com/hk/QfFbG2TN5yVZ-d0l4wVSEEmYC_/www.caradvice.com.au/thumb/770/382/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/xhonda-civic-type-r-5.jpg.pagespeed.ic.9UGfW7iBYzdzkltM69rH.jpg

http://4-ps.googleusercontent.com/hk/QfFbG2TN5yVZ-d0l4wVSEEmYC_/www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/xhonda-civic-type-r-3.jpg.pagespeed.ic.wtaBM1OnHJH1QePsZjeI.jpg

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/hk/QfFbG2TN5yVZ-d0l4wVSEEmYC_/www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/xhonda-civic-type-r-2.jpg.pagespeed.ic.3VZHHGIrhgADnzcU5e4Q.jpg

[blk_shadow]

I don't know....

It's so different from the concept car that I loved so much

[Fredoops]

CTR now holds FWD record on the 'Ring

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/03/03/honda-civic-type-r-front-drive-nurburgring-record-video/


except:

Not a production car
Mystery tyres
Full roll cage
Aircon removed
headunit removed
passenger seat removed


Seems legit.

[lolmclol]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9G7N0_M9Rc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc2mXAsOahI

[curtis265]

what happened to those awesome spoiler tail lights!!

concept looked way cooler!

[amant02]

7000 redline. I think ill be holding on to my k20 bit longer.

[Fredoops]

UK pricing confirmed:

Base model starting at £29,995
Luxury pack add another £2300
http://www.worldcarfans.com/115030489885/honda-civic-type-r-bows-in-geneva-with-29995-price

That's ~$59k AUD. For base and ~$63k AUD with the lux pack.

[Vvvtec]

7000 redline. I think ill be holding on to my k20 bit longer.

86mm stroke, it's asking for a bigger turbo and more revs :)

[Vvvtec]

http://www.caradvice.com.au/339896/honda-civic-type-r-revealed-in-full/

http://3-ps.googleusercontent.com/hk/QfFbG2TN5yVZ-d0l4wVSEEmYC_/www.caradvice.com.au/thumb/960/477/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/xhonda-civic-type-r-1.jpg.pagespeed.ic.tWNHLh3vhZngx9TN27vy.jpg

http://2-ps.googleusercontent.com/hk/QfFbG2TN5yVZ-d0l4wVSEEmYC_/www.caradvice.com.au/thumb/770/382/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/xhonda-civic-type-r-5.jpg.pagespeed.ic.9UGfW7iBYzdzkltM69rH.jpg

http://4-ps.googleusercontent.com/hk/QfFbG2TN5yVZ-d0l4wVSEEmYC_/www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/xhonda-civic-type-r-3.jpg.pagespeed.ic.wtaBM1OnHJH1QePsZjeI.jpg

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/hk/QfFbG2TN5yVZ-d0l4wVSEEmYC_/www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/xhonda-civic-type-r-2.jpg.pagespeed.ic.3VZHHGIrhgADnzcU5e4Q.jpg

Side profile looks fukn sick

[RenzokukenJ]

Side profile looks fukn sick

fd2 front

fk2 behind

[curtis265]

for the fanboys: http://www.carthrottle.com/post/10-rwd-supercars-that-are-slower-around-the-nurburgring-than-the-new-civic-type-r/

[stevo1210]

I sense that the kids will start snapping up the regular FK3 (did I get that model right?) hatches we have for sale now and popping a "Type R" kit on when those cars become cheaper!

[Fredoops]

for the fanboys: http://www.carthrottle.com/post/10-rwd-supercars-that-are-slower-around-the-nurburgring-than-the-new-civic-type-r/
The difference? The rest of the times were done by production cars, and mostly by a third party (magazine).

Honda did the time with a test car, on mystery tyres, with a roll cage, and bits and pieces removed.

[ecsk]

We poor Australian is not going to have Civic Type R :(
http://www.caradvice.com.au/391427/honda-civic-type-r-ruled-out-for-australia-in-current-generation-but-all-new-model-due-in-2017/

[DreadAngel]

We poor Australian is not going to have Civic Type R :(
http://www.caradvice.com.au/391427/honda-civic-type-r-ruled-out-for-australia-in-current-generation-but-all-new-model-due-in-2017/

Does that even surprise you...

[u mad?]

Australia, fuk yeah!

[RenzokukenJ]

We poor Australian is not going to have Civic Type R :(
http://www.caradvice.com.au/391427/honda-civic-type-r-ruled-out-for-australia-in-current-generation-but-all-new-model-due-in-2017/
But we are getting the next generation

Dunno why people are so bum sore though, 90% of the members on here either bludge on centrelink or work at McDonald's.

Not like anyone will buy one

[u mad?]

But we are getting the next generation

Dunno why people are so bum sore though, 90% of the members on here either bludge on centrelink or work at McDonald's.

Not like anyone will buy one

too many phd's

too little jobs

[RenzokukenJ]

>be me
>be Orestes Roumeliotis
>hear about Type R not making it to Australia
>fukinsluvaki.greece
>"I studied PhD all of my life to get one, now I can't get one"
>drop PhD in arts, pick up PhD in politics to become import minister
>reread article out of anger
>see next gen in production for Australia
>mfw studying even shitter subject

[lolmclol]

But we are getting the next generation

Dunno why people are so bum sore though, 90% of the members on here either bludge on centrelink or work at McDonald's.

Not like anyone will buy one

Fuk man

Everyday, cvnts driving through my drive through with blonde bitch in side seat make me depressed

[RenzokukenJ]

Fuk man

Everyday, cvnts driving through my drive through with blonde bitch in side seat make me depressed
How's your ek with fake spoon and mugen shit?

[lolmclol]

How's your ek with fake spoon and mugen shit?

Pls I can't afford fake spoon/ mugen shit on my drive through salary, its conterfeit fake spoon/ mugen style shit

[amant02]

But we are getting the next generation

Dunno why people are so bum sore though, 90% of the members on here either bludge on centrelink or work at McDonald's.

Not like anyone will buy one


Yea they will just go out and buy a pink FN2R, think they are ballin.

[RenzokukenJ]

Couldn't expect to buy shitty wrx doe

[amant02]

Subaru>Honda.

Every single possible way.

If you think otherwise, your a fkn dud.

[amant02]

Ofcourse Im talking strictly to production cars available off the shelf.

One is like the Merc of its Region and other is like Skoda of its region.

Sure it might hurt for you to accept, but its true lad.

[amant02]

Inb4 Honda is the best fkn car manufacture ever.

[RenzokukenJ]

Yh nh Honda best m8

Top 5

1. Honda
2. Volkswagen
3. Lexus
4. Toyota
5. Mitsubishi

Bottom 5 (lowest worst)

1. Nissan
2. Hyundai
3. Holden
4. Ford
5. Subaru

[Vvvtec]

Subaru>Honda.

Every single possible way.

If you think otherwise, your a fkn dud.

Hahahahahahaha

[u mad?]

Subaru>Honda.

Every single possible way.

If you think otherwise, your a fkn dud.
how did i miss this

amant- ultimate potato

[RenzokukenJ]

how did i miss this

amant- ultimate potato
Took the bait hard

[Daveho1]

amant chochocho