new NSX

[ryaan]

new NSX is coming guys :D looking good....
cant wait :D :D

http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/carsales/general/editorial/ge5012550250007840706.jpg?height=285&padcolor=F3F7FC&aspect=FitWithin&width=440

Honda CEO Takanobu Ito confirmed last week at the 2011 Frankfurt Show that the NSX supercar's successor is in the works and a new 2012 Civic Type R hot hatch is also planned.You can add these two nuggets to the treasure trove of new information being released at Germany's premier auto event.The new NSX supercar is expected to be eco-friendly and possibly run a hybrid powertrain similar to the CR-Z.



http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2011/sports/honda/nsx/honda’s-nextgen-nsx-revealed-27099

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2011/9/21/Report-Honda-Head-Confirms-New-NSX-and-Hot-Hatch-2012-Civic-Type-R-7704904/

[Buddy]

Oh hell yeah, gotta start saving!

[Lazarus]

I thought that was Robert Downey Jr.

Dannnnnngggggggg new NSX looks hot though.
Interior looks like sex.

[ludecrs]

Just as I buy one.... ****ers!

[WATAJK]

that does look fkn mean
^^ SAY WHAT

[HONTUNE]

That looks amazing!!! Will they be for sale in oz or import only?

[ryaan]

about time honda has come up with something good :D
but its most likely a hybrid =(

[sexy_shazam]

about time honda has come up with something good :D
but its most likely a hybrid =(

I think there may be an alterior motive to having an electric motor in there. I honestly reckon if the car is going to cost 200k plus especially if its 300k plus a lot of people would rather opt for a second hand or lower level lambo or ferrari. I could be wrong and im not trying to troll but it makes sense as to why they might choose to have an electric motor with it.

Personally id rather have a v8 or v10 with Vtec :)

It does look like a ****ing beast of a car though.

[02gzm]

Just as I buy one.... ****ers!

Auto or manual?

[mugen_ctr]

looks nice! shame its gonna weigh a ton, and the price tag is gonna be big! I also read its gonna take on the GTR as well, but i doubt its gonna do it well considering honda has a bad habbit of making a good sports car than slapping a huge price tag like the previous gen NSX.... if its gonna cost the same as the GTR, $180,000 than were talking, but if its gonna be more than $200,000+ than ur already looking into Porsche/Ferrari territory, and customer loyalty plays a big factor in these exotic cars

And odds are its gonna be a flappy paddle gb, if ur gonna pay 200k, ur gonna want a fast car, an theres no way a traditional manual gb can keep up with a high tech dual clutch sequential gb, thats why the GTR never had one from the start :D

[xenonkuraz]

I thought that was Robert Downey Jr.

Dannnnnngggggggg new NSX looks hot though.
Interior looks like sex.

DUDE that IS Robert Downey jr lol! Probably showcasing his 3rd gen iron man suit

[sexy_shazam]

looks nice! shame its gonna weigh a ton, and the price tag is gonna be big! I also read its gonna take on the GTR as well, but i doubt its gonna do it well considering honda has a bad habbit of making a good sports car than slapping a huge price tag like the previous gen NSX.... if its gonna cost the same as the GTR, $180,000 than were talking, but if its gonna be more than $200,000+ than ur already looking into Porsche/Ferrari territory, and customer loyalty plays a big factor in these exotic cars

Thats what I thought hence why they are implementing an electric motor probe to target either a niche market or to actually showcase the future of honda (hope not) or so people can justify why they spent 200k on a honda when some idiot says why didn't you buy Euro.

And odds are its gonna be a flappy paddle gb, if ur gonna pay 200k, ur gonna want a fast car, an theres no way a traditional manual gb can keep up with a high tech dual clutch sequential gb, thats why the GTR never had one from the start :D

I honestly wish they would slap a v8 or v10 or offer 2 models. Think about it with a v8 you have a nice amount of lower power and then when you hit higher in the rev range VTEC kicks in and lets you rape everything.

What I want to know though is if your just taking this car for a cruise can it power itself just of the 2 front wheels? thus deactivating the rear engine?

[mugen_ctr]

I honestly wish they would slap a v8 or v10 or offer 2 models. Think about it with a v8 you have a nice amount of lower power and then when you hit higher in the rev range VTEC kicks in and lets you rape everything.

What I want to know though is if your just taking this car for a cruise can it power itself just of the 2 front wheels? thus deactivating the rear engine?

It really depends on how honda designs the whole electric motor system, too many what if's atm, they could implement the kers system like in F1 or they could make it a constant power source where theres always power feeding the motors there fore making a AWD car, but this could also lead to a 4WD design, where the front motors are only active when its pushed to the limits there fore limiting its use on a daily basis much like the GTR, meaning its a rwd until theres traction loss than the computer will determain how much power to send to the front wheels to correct the steering, angle etc etc.....

As far as making it a fwd or full electric for that matter, that wont be happening, lol, unless they implement some sort of battery packs in the car , so u can run the car purely on electricity than i doubt it will jus run on electricity juice on a daily basis..... Actually come to think of it, Honda should learn a thing or two from Porsche with there racing Hybrid 911 car

It might even end up being much like the CRZ for all we know, atm its nothing but pure speculations.... for the time being, still waiting on the new civic type-R turbo :D

[sexy_shazam]

It really depends on how honda designs the whole electric motor system, too many what if's atm, they could implement the kers system like in F1 or they could make it a constant power source where theres always power feeding the motors there fore making a AWD car, but this could also lead to a 4WD design, where the front motors are only active when its pushed to the limits there fore limiting its use on a daily basis much like the GTR, meaning its a rwd until theres traction loss than the computer will determain how much power to send to the front wheels to correct the steering, angle etc etc.....

As far as making it a fwd or full electric for that matter, that wont be happening, lol, unless they implement some sort of battery packs in the car , so u can run the car purely on electricity than i doubt it will jus run on electricity juice on a daily basis..... Actually come to think of it, Honda should learn a thing or two from Porsche with there racing Hybrid 911 car

It might even end up being much like the CRZ for all we know, atm its nothing but pure speculations.... for the time being, still waiting on the new civic type-R turbo :D

If i remember correctly i think the article said batteries were being installed on the car and you can also plug it into a power point to charge it. Would make the car the perfect super car cause you can run it on the batteries making it economical or both when your wanting more power.

If there is any company that can do this system well i honestly reckon Honda are the ones I do hope that it lives up to its name though as there isn't really any proper sports cars in hondas current line up and with them out of F1 I do hope this car will allow them to show that they haven't lost their touch.

[dc2r-0636]

I hate electric cars, theyre fukn gay as a bag of dicks.

Nissan made a new gtr thats battling the high end of the performance car market, so hopefully honda get a piece of the action with a proper engine, n/a or turbo

Id lyk to see a honda v8 street car.. Or a turbo 6 :)

[sexy_shazam]

I hate electric cars, theyre fukn gay as a bag of dicks.

Nissan made a new gtr thats battling the high end of the performance car market, so hopefully honda get a piece of the action with a proper engine, n/a or turbo

Id lyk to see a honda v8 street car.. Or a turbo 6 :)

Couldn't agree more with the idea of a v8. Why can't they save the planet another day and for now give us one last petrol driven beast before the entire range gets converted to hybrids.

The thing is at 200k I can't understand why someone who cares about the environment would buy a car like this when they can get a Tesla?

[Fredoops]

Couldn't agree more with the idea of a v8. Why can't they save the planet another day and for now give us one last petrol driven beast before the entire range gets converted to hybrids.

The thing is at 200k I can't understand why someone who cares about the environment would buy a car like this when they can get a Tesla?

VTEC is dinosaur technology now tho.

Everyone has VVT in their engines, and most of them are more advanced than the Honda VTEC (eg: BMW VANOS, VW VVT used in Lambo, or FIAT Multiair)

For Honda to 'catch up' on the technology stakes they had to come up with something new and better, turbocharging was never honda's thing. I mean porsche has that department licked with their variable geometry turbochargers

i-VTEC is years behind BMW VANOS and even further behind Fiat Multiair in terms of technology and innovation.

And they canned advanced-VTEC 5 years ago.

lits be honest... they got nothing at the moment but hybrid tech.

Not that it's a bad thing, electric motors can acheive 90% energy efficiency, and SIGNIFICANT torque figures, I remember Toyota planned to have a hybrid corolla rally car that produces over 1200nm of torque, from electric motors hooked up to batteries and a 1.8 liter engine.

another advantage of electic motor is less moving parts, less mechanical parts to go wrong. no need for a mechanical LSD or Yaw control, they all can be done electronically.

[mugen_ctr]

The only way i see this being a cheaper super car much like the GTR is slapping a pair of snails and pumping out as much power as u can, combine with a complex electric motors to make it 4wd, than putting it in a well sorted out chassis, than u got a winner.....

The main problem with battery tech atm is the whole charging stage. A normal charge if i remember on TG, is what 8 hours? and if using a quick charge will hurt the life of the battery, so really, from now till 2014, honda has to come up with a new way to quick charge batteries without damaging them and quick charge em in a short amount of period if they persist on keeping battery powered

[sexy_shazam]

the thing is electric does generate a good amount of torque which is good but apart from the batteries its also the range. Think tesla motors and the prius and current Insight how far on the batteries can you go? now imagine driving at say 200km/h i can't imagine current battery battery technology let alone technology that comes out within the next 2 years to allow you to be able to drive more then a couple of metres at that speed.

Hence why i feel the NSX unless it can overcome these issues needs to have a normal v10 or v8 so should you feel that the battery and petrol engine combo is not for you there is always a powerful petrol engine to select from. This way they decrease the risk of failure.

[Fredoops]

the thing is electric does generate a good amount of torque which is good but apart from the batteries its also the range. Think tesla motors and the prius and current Insight how far on the batteries can you go? now imagine driving at say 200km/h i can't imagine current battery battery technology let alone technology that comes out within the next 2 years to allow you to be able to drive more then a couple of metres at that speed.

Hence why i feel the NSX unless it can overcome these issues needs to have a normal v10 or v8 so should you feel that the battery and petrol engine combo is not for you there is always a powerful petrol engine to select from. This way they decrease the risk of failure.

or they could have a gasoline engine as a permenent charger for the electric motors/batteries
IE: Chevy Volt / That Jag concept supercar

[sexy_shazam]

or they could have a gasoline engine as a permenent charger for the electric motors/batteries
IE: Chevy Volt / That Jag concept supercar

sort of like what an alternator does? I thought that at first but wouldn't that defeat the purpose of having the electric motors? if you have a choice why run a car of batteries that are powered by a v6 engine then power the same car via a more powerful engine? If they actually do this and claim its for the environment I'm going to laugh so hard.

[junoki]

I hate electric cars, theyre fukn gay as a bag of dicks.

Nissan made a new gtr thats battling the high end of the performance car market, so hopefully honda get a piece of the action with a proper engine, n/a or turbo

Id lyk to see a honda v8 street car.. Or a turbo 6 :)

same here, hate hybrid sport cars, if i wanted to be a hollywood wanabe / follower then id get a prius.... but for God sake honda V8 and above

[sexy_shazam]

If they released something like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_HSV-010_GT for 200k i reckon it would sell and put up a god fight with the upper cars like ferrari

The thing as well with this although the GTR is a great car some people will miss it due to the badge. I reckon the Honda badge has more strength to it and if the car actually looks like a super car then it will attract more people.

[Fredoops]

sort of like what an alternator does? I thought that at first but wouldn't that defeat the purpose of having the electric motors? if you have a choice why run a car of batteries that are powered by a v6 engine then power the same car via a more powerful engine? If they actually do this and claim its for the environment I'm going to laugh so hard.

Its still more efficient than having the petrol/diesel engine drive the wheels.

Gasoline engines powering the wheels work at approx 20% efficiency, gasoline electrical generatior work about approx 95% efficiency (the figures abit fuzzy but Ive read it from a engineering book years ago), go figure

Batteries act as a capacitor and storage of energy when not needed, and the engine can stop/start according to the needs of the electric motors.

Think of a diesel train, the diesel engine in a diesel train is no bigger than a Mack truck, yet a diesel locomotive can tow 5-10 times the load, thats because the diesel engine doesnt drive the wheels

[mugen_ctr]

If they released something like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_HSV-010_GT for 200k i reckon it would sell and put up a god fight with the upper cars like ferrari

The thing as well with this although the GTR is a great car some people will miss it due to the badge. I reckon the Honda badge has more strength to it and if the car actually looks like a super car then it will attract more people.

the HSV 010 was merely a way for honda to race in the super gt league as the nsx phased out, a loop hole allowed for concept based cars to be used as race cars, and honda didnt wanna miss out on its own home turf racing league.... that would make honda look silly if they didnt race in there own home races.....hence why the hsv 010 came about....

The gtr will never be missed, because the new one is everything what the orginal R32 gtr was all about, a true supercar for less of the price of a porsche 911, many fail to see this as they all want what the old has, but that was never the point of the new gtr, its designed to take on the big cars for less of the cost in fashion and in high tech ways, and it did.....

imo, honda nsx owners were far to few, there never was a strong customer loyalty, primary due to cost of it. If anything most who could afford a nsx woulda of looked at something else, at the end of the day, the nsx was a geeks car as only geeks would of brought it cause it was a car that u need talent to drive and one who would understand the mechanics of a car :)

[Fredoops]

imo, honda nsx owners were far to few, there never was a strong customer loyalty, primary due to cost of it. If anything most who could afford a nsx woulda of looked at something else, at the end of the day, the nsx was a geeks car as only geeks would of brought it cause it was a car that u need talent to drive and one who would understand the mechanics of a car :)

Wasnt it the consensus among motor journalists that NSX was the "dummy's" super car cause it's so easy to drive and live with?

NSX didnt sell well because it's... ordinary for the price they were charging. at that kind of money you'll need a serious trumpcard to beat off the Germans with their 911's

UniqueCars summed NSX up pretty nicely back in 2004: "Around town it drives like a Civic,"... the NSX back in 1995/96 cost 12 grand MORE than a 993 911 Carrera S, if Im forking out over 200 large I dont want a God Damn civic, the average supercar buyer has like 5 cars in their garage. If they want something to live with everyday, they'd use their BMW or Mercedes.





same here, hate hybrid sport cars, if i wanted to be a hollywood wanabe / follower then id get a prius.... but for God sake honda V8 and above

Dear God we're starting to sound like the yankee "There is no replacement for displacement" folks 20 years ago.

It's technology and progress, we gonna have to embrace it somehow... Else we'll become the same folks who mocked VTEC and Honda's 20 odd years ago.

[AusS2000]

The 'Around town it drives like a Civic' comment was meant, and by most interpreted, as a positive comment. The opposite being the Lamborghini Diablo, which around town is more akin to driving some of Lamboghini's earth moving equipment.

[9large]

If it starts.

[9large]

Some people also forget that the NSX was released at near the height of Honda's power, when - just as Honda could be compared to the likes of Ferrari on the F1 circuit - it was perfectly normal for Honda's NSX to be compared to other "prestige" marques. Perhaps it's not an issue of forgetfulness, but that some folks didn't exist in 1989 :)

[Fredoops]

Some people also forget that the NSX was released at near the height of Honda's power, when - just as Honda could be compared to the likes of Ferrari on the F1 circuit - it was perfectly normal for Honda's NSX to be compared to other "prestige" marques. Perhaps it's not an issue of forgetfulness, but that some folks didn't exist in 1989 :)

I remember that, it was designed with benchmarking againest the Ferrari 348 matter in fact... Bench-marked, but didn't trump it.... then the price of the thing made it just... meh

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I remember that, it was designed with benchmarking againest the Ferrari 348 matter in fact... Bench-marked, but didn't trump it.... then the price of the thing made it just... meh

No, it was the 308 and 328. The 348 was a dog. It wasn't till the 355 (some would even argue the 360) that Ferrari made a better car. Similarly for Porsche, the 993 was very much outclassed and outgunned by the NSX.

[dc2r-0636]

I remember that, it was designed with benchmarking againest the Ferrari 348 matter in fact... Bench-marked, but didn't trump it.... then the price of the thing made it just... meh

correct it was released to fight with the 348 ferrari and didnt perform as well as it should of.
then the c32 engine came out with the facelift model and the 2nd nsx type r came out, by then no one really cared anymore..

wheels magazine said something bout the car was relased to fight the 348 and stoped when the f430 came out..

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correct it was released to fight with the 348 ferrari and didnt perform as well as it should of.
then the c32 engine came out with the facelift model and the 2nd nsx type r came out, by then no one really cared anymore..

wheels magazine said something bout the car was relased to fight the 348 and stoped when the f430 came out..

When the NSX was designed, it was the 328. When the NSX was released, Ferrari also released the 348 - Honda didn't initially benchmark their NSX against a car they knew little about.

Also, the C32B was released in 1997 with the NA2 NSX, with the aerodynamically improved "facelift" model in 2002. The two changes weren't released at the same time.

[ludecrs]

Another angle...

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/187611/3371832d.jpg

[euromandeluxe]

Reminds me of an R8/Aston Martin mashup.

[Torell]

IMO the new nsx will be a v6 with twin hybrid motors running the front wheels. And if honda sticks to what their good at, they will improve on their SH AWD and instead of redirecting torque to help corner, it will use the spare battaries to apply additional torque at such a high capacity as we all know hybrids to have.
Following suit, i like to think this system will run similarly to the crz's in terms of being self charging. Which shouldnt be hard with super car brakes. Would also make sense for the hybrid motors to act as stabilizers on launch and for fuel consumption in the lower rev range.
While im at it, hondas v6 technology in their early model nsx's despite how "dinosour" their tech is, still gives a 911 a run for its money, and we're comparing a 20y/o car with a new porche here... If the new v6 is tuned as well as the s2ks then your looking at 280kw 3.2lt with 600+ nm. Which is something for a honda. Add vtec onto that and what more could you want?
Keeping to my above opinion, that would place the new base model nsx at 120k to 140k. Maybe even with a v8 option available.

Having a hard time typing while finding posts from other pages, i just thaught id point out; even tho honda doesnt produce turbo road cars as far as my limited knowledge goes, i do believe during alot of their older races, they placed every race, and came first EVERY TIME they used a single turbo. Im trying to remember where i read that... Perhaps ealry 2000's lemans or grandprix and prior

And i forgot to mention, i also believe i read honda wont be producing its v10 gtr eating machine , instead using some older technology and not going all out. But you guys probibly read that somewhere too..

[Engin09]

tail lights and colour look shit, that's my input.

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IMO the new nsx will be a v6 with twin hybrid motors running the front wheels.

So you're expecting Honda to produce a $180K hybrid front wheel drive?


While im at it, hondas v6 technology in their early model nsx's despite how "dinosour" their tech is, still gives a 911 a run for its money, and we're comparing a 20y/o car with a new porche here... If the new v6 is tuned as well as the s2ks then your looking at 280kw 3.2lt with 600+ nm. Which is something for a honda. Add vtec onto that and what more could you want?
Keeping to my above opinion, that would place the new base model nsx at 120k to 140k. Maybe even with a v8 option available.

Most companies have variable valve technology these days - it's been around for several decades. I think it can also be a little misunderstood - its purpose isn't to magically add power to a car, but (in basic terms) to allow the requirements of both frugal- and performance-oriented characteristics to exist in the same engine.


Having a hard time typing while finding posts from other pages, i just thaught id point out; even tho honda doesnt produce turbo road cars as far as my limited knowledge goes, i do believe during alot of their older races, they placed every race, and came first EVERY TIME they used a single turbo. Im trying to remember where i read that... Perhaps ealry 2000's lemans or grandprix and prior

Not sure where you got that impression. Relatively speaking, Honda haven't used many turbo cars in competition. Honda did enter a turbo-powered NSX in the GT1 class in the mid-90s, in an attempt to compete against the McLaren F1, but that DNF. Honda were, however, very successful with their turbo engines in their second era of Formula 1.

[Fredoops]

So you're expecting Honda to produce a $180K hybrid front wheel drive?


He's probably saying petrol drives rear and electric drives front.


Most companies have variable valve technology these days - it's been around for several decades. I think it can also be a little misunderstood - its purpose isn't to magically add power to a car, but (in basic terms) to allow the requirements of both frugal- and performance-oriented characteristics to exist in the same engine.
It's funny isnt it, VTEC is just VVT.... yet people think it's so special, several companies has better VVT systems, Variocam Plus (porsche) Vanos (BMW), just to name a few, and then theres Fiat's Multi-air (wow...)

Interesting fact, Porsche had been using Variocam since 1992

I doubt Honda is going to tune a V6, the emissions will kill that plan. See the new Type-R with Turbo? thats partly because the N/A engine will not meet emission standards.




Not sure where you got that impression. Relatively speaking, Honda haven't used many turbo cars in competition. Honda did enter a turbo-powered NSX in the GT1 class in the mid-90s, in an attempt to compete against the McLaren F1, but that DNF. Honda were, however, very successful with their turbo engines in their second era of Formula 1.
Agreed, just because honda races doesnt mean they built every single engine themselves....

No do they build every single chassis.... The only Honda part of the current Honda Le Mans race cars (LMP2 class) are the engine. The Chassis are from LOLA (UK) and Courage Competition (France)

Having said that, Honda Racing development did develop a Turbo V6 last year based on the Accord Block, but then Honda pulled out of LMP2 this year due to the natural diaster i think.

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My point was, Honda didn't "came first EVERY TIME they used a single turbo.", as the original poster suggested.

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Interesting fact, Porsche had been using Variocam since 1992

Another interesting fact: Honda first introduced VTEC in the B16A in 1989 but used a form of variable valve timing on one of their CBRs in 1983.



It's funny isnt it, VTEC is just VVT.... yet people think it's so special, several companies has better VVT systems, Variocam Plus (porsche) Vanos (BMW), just to name a few, and then theres Fiat's Multi-air (wow...)

Out of curiosity, care to share how the other systems work and how much better they are than VTEC?

[pure_na]

It's funny isnt it, VTEC is just VVT.... yet people think it's so special, several companies has better VVT systems, Variocam Plus (porsche) Vanos (BMW), just to name a few, and then theres Fiat's Multi-air (wow...)

Interesting fact, Porsche had been using Variocam since 1992



is vanos better than vtec? i typed in vanos, and the first results i got had to do with vanos repairs. my admitedly limited knowledge on vanos consists of the fact that it fails...a lot...

[Fredoops]

Out of curiosity, care to share how the other systems work and how much better they are than VTEC?

Vtec we usually speak of has 2 valve lift settings, high or low.

Valvetronic/Vanos from BMW has infinite settings, making it a continuously variable valve lift, and it manage to do without throttle butterfly, Valvetronic can control camshaft timing for intake and exhaust valves' overlap while VTEC can only control the intake valves' camshaft timing. Valvetronic it's supposed to be more fuel efficient (approx 10%, given same output), Honda's Advanced-VTEC was supposed to be a simplified version of Valvetronic/Double Vanos... till they out that in the bin.


Multi-air..... It's the newest kid on the block... and kind of a trump card. It is the only system which can independentlychange the valve timing and profile of the valves cylinder by cylinder and stroke by stroke.
IE: so it's like having a Valvetronic/VTEC system optimized PER CYLINDER, not one system per engine. This eliminated pumping losses. We're talking about something like 10-15% increase in power and torque (especially at Lower-RPM situations) with a 10% reduction in fuel consumption.

Also, multi-air has the capability of having different settings as according to ECU, so you can have different multi-air profiles (Economy/performance etc)

So in terms of optimized burn stroke by stroke: Multi-Air >> Valvetronic/Double Vanos > VTEC
Efficiency wise it's like comparing a four speed auto (VTEC) to a six speed auto (Vanos/Valvetronic) to a Seven speed DSG (Multiair)

Only fitting for Fiat to bring out the next generation since they were the first to patent a functional VVT system back in the 1960's



is vanos better than vtec? i typed in vanos, and the first results i got had to do with vanos repairs. my admitedly limited knowledge on vanos consists of the fact that it fails...a lot...
Try "Valvetronic double vanos"
Problem with Valvetronic/Vanos is that it's really bulky and heavy and rather complex. hence the failure rates in earlier models.
And it doesnt help when dealers blame Vanos when it's the piston spring that failed.......
Advanced VTEC was supposed to be the Honda's answer to valvetronic/vanos, it does essentially the same function, while being lighter and less complex...

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Vtec we usually speak of has 2 valve lift settings, high or low.

The VTEC you speak of is the old first generation VTEC not seen in a new Honda IIRC since the 90s. Heard of iVTEC?

My original point was that VTEC - or any form of road-going variable valve timing for that matter - was often misunderstood, and was designed to balance the requirements of a practical "street" engine with a performance engine, and not that VTEC was a basic, primitive, or out-classed interpretation of the technology (apparently your point), which it is not.

[aaronng]

The VTEC you speak of is the old first generation VTEC not seen in a new Honda IIRC since the 90s. Heard of iVTEC?

iVTEC still has only two profiles for valve lift. The only improvement it brings to VTEC is infinitely variable valve timing/phasing for the intake cam.

[Fredoops]

iVTEC still has only two profiles for valve lift. The only improvement it brings to VTEC is infinitely variable valve timing/phasing for the intake cam.

I was about to say.... i-VTEC still has distinctive high and low RPM valve timing and duration profiles. But even the intake cam lift is limited to 25 degrees, a far cry from Double VANOS which can allow up to a 40 degress lift.


The VTEC you speak of is the old first generation VTEC not seen in a new Honda IIRC since the 90s. Heard of iVTEC?

My original point was that VTEC - or any form of road-going variable valve timing for that matter - was often misunderstood, and was designed to balance the requirements of a practical "street" engine with a performance engine, and not that VTEC was a basic, primitive, or out-classed interpretation of the technology (apparently your point), which it is not.

If i-VTEC matches what the Valvetronic/Vanos do then why would Honda develop Advanced-VTEC to do what Valvetronic/Vanos do?

Anyway, VTEC is not primitive or basic (compared to say..... No VVT at all.....), but it is outclassed in terms of technology content and efficiency, especially compared to Fiat's Multi-Air system.

VVT is about optimizing internal combustion to service a defined purpose, what ever that purpose maybe. But I agree, it's mostly for livability, economy and emission reasons

But I do get your point about people's misunderstandings about VVT being the "mechanical nitrous"

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iVTEC still has only two profiles for valve lift. The only improvement it brings to VTEC is infinitely variable valve timing/phasing for the intake cam.


I was about to say.... i-VTEC still has distinctive high and low RPM valve timing and duration profiles.

This is true. What a brain fart. My bad.


But even the intake cam lift is limited to 25 degrees, a far cry from Double VANOS which can allow up to a 40 degress lift.

It's not limited to 25 degrees - it can go to 50 degrees.

Anyway, enough of this VVT talk. Back to topic.

[AusS2000]

the vtec you speak of is the old first generation vtec not seen in a new honda iirc since the 90s.

f20c?

[Torell]

I was under the impression dohc effected intake and exhaust both?
Anywho before we start making ppl think some things are better than vtec (cant possibly be true :p) lets keep in mind the price factor.

And just to add, if vtec is only high and low cam, and others have constantly varying, then i can see where the power benefit would come from through the rev range. But that should reduce petrol consumption shouldnt it?

[OMG.JAI xD]

Honda should just produce a high revving, direct injected, twin charged (turbo and super), I-vtec'ed 1.5L engine tuned to run on e85 fuel.

Emissions produced will be mostly h2o.
And I'm sure a 1.5L that revs safely to 13,000rpm or so will be quiet fun.

Couple that with a DSG box and off you go. Produce the Jazz Type R. Big seller, Guranteed.


IMO. This new NSX has gone soft. HSV-010. Produce that honda. Put the price tag around the $100k mark. Make them in japan instead of thailand. And you'd be alright.

Honda. I have watched the inspirational video on youtube. Where failing is the key to success or something like that. Thats cool man, but how long can you fail until you call it ****ing up.

[9large]

^ Totally agree with the NSX bits OMG.JAI xD except price should be similar to R35 GTR

[AusS2000]

I am all in favour of Honda doing a performance hybrid. Like it or not it's the way of the future.

[anzai]

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/honda-nsx-supercar-legend-returns-20120110-1psmt.html

http://images.smh.com.au/2012/01/10/2883128/honda-nsx_600-600x400.jpg

[d15z1SUX]

partial to it... but at least they are making a sports car.

[EKVTIR-T]

Nobody here is going to buy one anyway so we can only admire or hate it


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzaynkoC04k

[anzai]

want




































to start playing gt5 again....

[AusS2000]

Looks great.

[Grayfox]

Shame it wont look like that.

But it was about time honda did this.

Toyota have the Lexus LFA
Nissan have the GT-R
Honda had to bring back the NSX.

But if it does look like that, I would want it in berlina Black Pearl.

[Mezza]

DSG?

Hell no, why would you want the gearbox to break down every month?

Put in something that is even better than the S2000 gearbox, if that's possible.

[Fredoops]

look like an Audi R8 from A-Pillar backwards


Looks like the child of an Audi R8 that's mated with a MP4-12C


^^ that sums up what I thinks of that car (from Topgear UK comments)

[tonysalib]

Nobody here is going to buy one anyway

That's if it even comes out in Australia. I would say its chances are very slim.

[Newtype]

Wheres my S3000 =(

[HmGLuCaS]

cant wait for the new type r! :D

[Fredoops]

Its gonna be built in Ohio, United states.....







Lol...............




Lmfao if it endup being built in Cleveland, Ohio.









So I'm guessing RHd versions will be long ways off

[EKVTIR-T]

Oh great,mexican labour made rubbish..

Way to sink the titanic Honda

Will they phase out all japanese made in due course?

[Fredoops]

Oh great,mexican labour made rubbish..

Way to sink the titanic Honda

Will they phase out all japanese made in due course?


Oh the sweet irony!!!!!



Ps: mexican made?!
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/26/43926411_4a7b5fd6ed.jpg


Lol in all seriousness, Ohio does not have that many Mexicans... The place is too poor and run down for them immigrants.
More like Tupac made (if you get what I'm sayin)

[euromandeluxe]

So I'm guessing RHd versions will be long ways off

Not unless they want to give up the Japanese market, which would be a laugh

[Grayfox]

Seems the Japanese market is now just for most common made hondas.

Sedan Civic(including hybrid), Fit/Jazz, Life(Kei), Accord,Legend, CR-Z, Odyssey?, CR-V?

?=Dont know if they are made in japan or some other place.

[02gzm]

DSG?

Hell no, why would you want the gearbox to break down every month?

Put in something that is even better than the S2000 gearbox, if that's possible.

I'll always buy a manual over anything else, but have you driven a car with a decent DSG box? Or are you just basing your opinions on a few of the early economy 7 speed VW gearboxes that had the mechatronics issue?

[Grayfox]

From what I have heard those new DSG with the dual clutches are very smooth and quick at shifting.

The days of the Stick shift are slowly dieing i am sad to say, these days it is automated clutch manuals.

[Fredoops]

Seems the Japanese market is now just for most common made hondas.

Sedan Civic(including hybrid), Fit/Jazz, Life(Kei), Accord,Legend, CR-Z, Odyssey?, CR-V?

?=Dont know if they are made in japan or some other place.

Mostly Thailand iirc

[JohnO]

It's just the lag from starting on first gear isnt responsive. Driven the evo xmr and both eco and sport mode it lags, change it to supersport feels like a quick start up like the manual boxes

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[mooshie]

I have a Golf diesel with DSG and everything I read rates it very highly.


Still prefer the shifts in my 91 J1 Integra box....

[02gzm]

It's just the lag from starting on first gear isnt responsive. Driven the evo xmr and both eco and sport mode it lags, change it to supersport feels like a quick start up like the manual boxes

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Sports orientated cars that use a DSG box generally have launch control for when you want to take off quickly. The car computers are smart, but aren't psychic. You've go to let it know what your intentions are, otherwise it'll just take off thinking you're wanting to drive "normally"

[JohnO]

Yeah I know what you mean, just hold down the brake and on full throttle for the launch control. Just that even on daily use its abit iffy like that two second lag then it automatically picks up speed suddenly when you give it like abit of instant throttle

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[interfooler]

Interior pics are out! Looking awesome.. I hope the interior stays the same in the production model. It looks pretty much production ready.

http://www.forcegt.com/news/acura-nsx-concept-updated-with-interior-looking-good/