20mm h&r spacers on stock dc5 rims?

[BLV-27J]

would 20mm h&r spacers make stock dc5r wheels sit flush?

[Peachy]

keen for this too, c'mon guys surely someones done this or knows what spacing is required to get a flush fit on stock wheels

[trism]

Here's the easiest way to do it all by yourself.

Get a ruler, and sit it on the rim of the wheel, pointing out.

Look at where the guard is. How long is it? Then that's how much you need to space it out.

It's not really a hard concept to think up, so maybe take some time to concentrate on figuring shit out for yourself, rather than being spoon fed forever.

[BLV-27J]

nice! thanks!

[r3ckless]

I had 25mm spacers all around on dc5r wheels. I had to roll my guards though(only cos i was on 0deg camber)

If u dont wanna roll guards, dial in some camber and u be right

[Peachy]

It's not really a hard concept to think up, so maybe take some time to concentrate on figuring shit out for yourself, rather than being spoon fed forever.

I feel sad for you knowing that your only outlet is coming onto Ozhonda and venting on people who are after help. It must be really depressing to have to put others down in an attempt to make yourself feel more worthwhile.

The reason people ask these questions is because there are a lot of variables that can be potentially involved, it's not just "measure and see if it will fit", where's the harm is seeing what other people have run so that we know the probable outcomes?

Seeing as you were the first to jump to assumptions in regards to being spoon fed, enjoy your life as an uneducated spare parts dealer who is sad enough to write "i'm a sick ****" in their profile and "I beat mother****ers" in their signature. You are ****ing sad mate, I feel really sorry for people like you.

[BLV-27J]

well said

[trism]

I feel sad for you knowing that your only outlet is coming onto Ozhonda and venting on people who are after help. It must be really depressing to have to put others down in an attempt to make yourself feel more worthwhile.

The reason people ask these questions is because there are a lot of variables that can be potentially involved, it's not just "measure and see if it will fit", where's the harm is seeing what other people have run so that we know the probable outcomes?

Seeing as you were the first to jump to assumptions in regards to being spoon fed, enjoy your life as an uneducated spare parts dealer who is sad enough to write "i'm a sick ****" in their profile and "I beat mother****ers" in their signature. You are ****ing sad mate, I feel really sorry for people like you.

you know it ;)


explain to me the variables in measuring the distance of stock wheels from stock guards?

Explain to me to methods on which you came to the assumptions that i am a said, uneducated spare parts dealer, when youve never met me, youve never even seen me, and you're trying to assess the kind of person i am from 2 or 3 things youve read on OzHonda, which may as well be the arsehole of the internet.

Do tell me , if my only outlet is coming onto OzHonda and venting to people who ask stupid questions, then why do i have a heap of green squares, and you have a red one?

[r3ckless]

Peachy, i can understand why trism said that cos in his defence, the OP didnt give enough variables... What if his dc5r was lowered, it would have more neg camber then a stock one so therefore if he was to chuck 20mm spacers on, it will be totally different compared to my stock height dc5r...

Then again trism If u aint got nothing nice to say, dnt bother.

[r3ckless]

I'd personally go 25mm all around.

I''ve ran 25mm all around on Type S wheels (17x7 +45). Type S wheels have another 6mm of stance compared to the Type R wheels. Heres a pic of my car with the spacers and a zero camber setup.

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/chuck_bung/Picture004.jpg
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/chuck_bung/Picture006.jpg
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/chuck_bung/Picture007.jpg
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/chuck_bung/Picture008.jpg

Ok these pics i could only find were on my EP3R wheel,s but same specs (17x7+45)

FOr a zero camber setup, I was scrubbing so I rolled guards front and rear. I could get away with more camber but was more noob back in the day.

[EVLGTR]

enjoy your life as an uneducated spare parts dealer who is sad enough to write "i'm a sick ****" in their profile and "I beat mother****ers" in their signature. You are ****ing sad mate, I feel really sorry for people like you.

:thumbsup::thumbsup: LMAO @ UNEDUCATED SPARE PARTS DEALER!!!! reminds me of a few that i know in Sydney

[Peachy]

It's not really a hard concept to think up, so maybe take some time to concentrate on figuring shit out for yourself, rather than being spoon fed forever.

If you don’t see how this is a judgemental and condescending comment, and if you don’t see how you were the first to make assumptions and be an arse about it than you’re a lost cause.
It takes a man to acknowledge fault and apologize.


you know it ;)


explain to me the variables in measuring the distance of stock wheels from stock guards?

Explain to me to methods on which you came to the assumptions that i am a said, uneducated spare parts dealer, when youve never met me, youve never even seen me, and you're trying to assess the kind of person i am from 2 or 3 things youve read on OzHonda, which may as well be the arsehole of the internet.

Do tell me , if my only outlet is coming onto OzHonda and venting to people who ask stupid questions, then why do i have a heap of green squares, and you have a red one?

Firstly, your point in regards to variables. This is why the OP asked the question, to make sure there were no other variables that could affect his decision making process. If you actually read my post, it says “potential variables”, I did not explicitly state there ‘were’ variables. Do you see it now?

Sometimes things aren’t as simple as just checking the distance; just like choosing lug nuts for a car, you could say “well it’s as simple as buying the right size bolt”, but in a matter of fact it isn’t, because there are such things as ball/radius, conical etc that make things more complicated than just buying the right sized nut. This is why people ask the questions, because of uncertainty. There is a possibility that certain unknown factors could affect choosing spacers, hence why the question was asked, and hence why I said “there are a lot of variables that can be potentially involved”.

I will gladly explain my methods:
A.) My assumption on uneducated was made by your spelling, use of words, language and behaviour. Your profile and signature and use of profanity in public profiles is also indicative of the perception you want people to have of you which paints a picture of you. Also the fact that you call people ‘mouth fed’ after you help them is proof enough that you put others down in a bid to make yourself feel superior.
B.) My assumption on you being a spare parts dealer: well it says so in your profile?

Now may I ask how YOU got the assumption that we were mouth fed? What do YOU know about me? Do you know that I left home when I was 17 and supported myself through two degrees? Do you know that whilst doing this I volunteered, pay free, for 10 hours a week, for 7 years, to help local communities? I don’t see how any of my actions on OzHonda were indicative of me being mouthfed. Uneducated on Honda, yes, mouth-fed, no. I would be interested to see where you draw your conclusions from.

The proof is in the pudding mate, and your little ‘green square’ is no excuse for acting like a dick towards people who are after genuine help. Just because you have those wonderful green squares which you take so much pride in, doesn’t give you the right to make other more uneducated users feel like they’re stupid for asking a question.

Ozhonda isn’t the arsehole of the internet, it’s just self righteous, arrogant and hypocritical posters like you that make it feel like it at times.

And I actually find it humorous that you neg rep me for pointing out the fact that you've been rude and condescending. That's a totally great way to use the point system buddy, props for being a power tripping douche.


Peachy, i can understand why trism said that cos in his defence, the OP didnt give enough variables... What if his dc5r was lowered, it would have more neg camber then a stock one so therefore if he was to chuck 20mm spacers on, it will be totally different compared to my stock height dc5r...

Then again trism If u aint got nothing nice to say, dnt bother.

His advice was good and useful, yes I admit that, and it highlighted the fact that there are no other factors that need to be considered. On the other hand, as you say, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't bother. There is no defence for being a dick.

[Peachy]

explain to me the variables in measuring the distance of stock wheels from stock guards?

There is more to it then just 'measuring the distance between the wheel and the lip'. You are measuring the distance with un-sprung weight, which means under no compression it won't rub. However, when driving, the suspension is continually compressing, which is why it's recommended to measure the distance between the wheel and the guard when there is weight on either the hood or trunk. This is one variable that you did not factor in and changes the measurements completely.
Here is the video from H&R themselves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4HIyEXOH8A

[r3ckless]

On a general note, you can fit any sized spacer under any car, it all depends on what camber you want to run.

Going back to OP's question" Will 20mm spacers sit flush"?

Like I said, he didnt tell us what camber is he running..... If your running say -10deg camber, and u put on a 20mm spacer, it sure as well wont be flush. If you have a 20mm spacer on a car with say 0deg camber, it will look more flush. Thus why I said the OP was just way too broad in his question.

[Oz_Striker]

Biggest problem here is the op's vague initial post. "will stock type r wheels fit flush with 20mm spacers?". No one can answer for sure because no one knows anything about the op's car except for the op lol Trism's "spoon fed" rant was IMO fair. Peachy has some very valid points however IMO the op should do some research first about their car, the suspension they have, the camber settings they have or may need, and the extra width needed to get these wheels sitting flush. For all we know he could be sitting on stock suspension and if he is I will be posting a decent sized facepalm very soon. Op If your car is not lowered you should do that first. Take a look at some build threads and the set ups used to get similar sized wheels to sit flush. That's what I'm doing ATM

[45SET]

Biggest problem here is the op's vague initial post. "will stock type r wheels fit flush with 20mm spacers?". No one can answer for sure because no one knows anything about the op's car except for the op lol Trism's "spoon fed" rant was IMO fair. Peachy has some very valid points however IMO the op should do some research first about their car, the suspension they have, the camber settings they have or may need, and the extra width needed to get these wheels sitting flush. For all we know he could be sitting on stock suspension and if he is I will be posting a decent sized facepalm very soon. Op If your car is not lowered you should do that first. Take a look at some build threads and the set ups used to get similar sized wheels to sit flush. That's what I'm doing ATM

This guy... said what I was thinking.

BLV-27J needs to post more constructive threads... there is a reason he has a red square under his user name...

[Peachy]

Red square, green square, it's just bragging rights. I have a red square under my name because I was negative rep'd by trism because I hurt his feelings, does that mean that I don't know shit or does it mean someone's abusing the PQ system? Even though I provided the correct method to measure what sized spacer would offer a flush look I still have a little red square under my name, people are more than likely to abuse/pick on new users and give 'bad rep'.
Flaming on the internet because of questions asked is stupid, if someone asks a stupid question, why should it offend anyone? If you can't offer advice and if you can't be nice about it and respond with more questions then you're genuinely not interested in helping someone, you're more interested in having a ride on your high horse. We were all n00bs at one time or another, and we more than likely still are in a few fields of our lives. To think that someone who is new in the field can ask all the right questions and do all the right research is naive.

[45SET]

Red square, green square, it's just bragging rights. I have a red square under my name because I was negative rep'd by trism because I hurt his feelings, does that mean that I don't know shit or does it mean someone's abusing the PQ system? Even though I provided the correct method to measure what sized spacer would offer a flush look I still have a little red square under my name, people are more than likely to abuse/pick on new users and give 'bad rep'.
Flaming on the internet because of questions asked is stupid, if someone asks a stupid question, why should it offend anyone? If you can't offer advice and if you can't be nice about it and respond with more questions then you're genuinely not interested in helping someone, you're more interested in having a ride on your high horse. We were all n00bs at one time or another, and we more than likely still are in a few fields of our lives. To think that someone who is new in the field can ask all the right questions and do all the right research is naive.

Read through some of his previous threads. (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1681261).. Highlight for me was "How do I gut a CAT"... which was quickly closed by the mods.

All of them are very vague, and have been covered over and over again... sometimes a previous thread about the same topic is still on the same page!

I've seen your posts on ClubITR, and you seem like you are someone that wants to help themselves, with well constructed questions. I'm all for helping out noobs with questions, but if you ask a vague question, expect a vague answer. Simple as that.

[Peachy]

Read through some of his previous threads. (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1681261).. Highlight for me was "How do I gut a CAT"... which was quickly closed by the mods.

All of them are very vague, and have been covered over and over again... sometimes a previous thread about the same topic is still on the same page!

I've seen your posts on ClubITR, and you seem like you are someone that wants to help themselves, with well constructed questions. I'm all for helping out noobs with questions, but if you ask a vague question, expect a vague answer. Simple as that.

Of course, I completely agree with you, people who genuinely want to help can only do so with the limitations of the information provided, which is why asking questions helps. I agree, vague questions receive vague answers, however, vague questions don't warrant belittling and condescending behaviour.

To each their own I suppose, I don't see any question as a stupid question, people ask them because they don't know better. Who are we to shut down their need to learn, they may have not approached the questions properly, but they mightn't know better.

[Oz_Striker]

Flaming on the internet because of questions asked is stupid, if someone asks a stupid question, why should it offend anyone? If you can't offer advice and if you can't be nice about it and respond with more questions then you're genuinely not interested in helping someone, you're more interested in having a ride on your high horse. We were all n00bs at one time or another, and we more than likely still are in a few fields of our lives. To think that someone who is new in the field can ask all the right questions and do all the right research is naive.

To each their own I suppose, I don't see any question as a stupid question, people ask them because they don't know better. Who are we to shut down their need to learn, they may have not approached the questions properly, but they mightn't know better.


Who's on their high horse? Lol seriously mate you need to put your halo down and be realistic. Its good to see you think his question was stupid and that you also dont think any question is stupid "see above quote" lol His question however wasn't stupid, it was just very vague and unnecessary. We may be flaming him, yes, but your version of "help" is not really what the op needs, he needs to be told to bring it upon himself to find the information he needs which there is an abundance of on the numerous Honda forums scattered over the interwebz. We are doing him a favor in trying to make him more self sufficient. You are right no one can know everything, and not everyone will ask the right questions or do the right research but they can at least do their best to help themselves first instead of expecting to be spoon fed over and over again. I've seen numerous threads from the op for example his "what exhaust should I get?" thread (or something along those lines) yet again had he done some searching or jumped on YouTube and researched pros and cons of the models he was looking at he could of spared Ozhonda of yet another useless thread, that either gets flamed like this one, butchered like this one or closed like this thread may as well be. We are not shutting down his ability to learn as I said we are doing this guy a favor by teaching him how to learn things himself, and if he makes a wrong decision then he will learn the best way possible, by making a mistake which no amount of spoon feeding can replace. Also to the op, if you cannot possibly bring it upon yourself to find the information you need and you do find yourself making a new thread, at least give us something to work with, give us some decent/relevant information so that we can come to an easy solution.

End of rant

[Peachy]

Who's on their high horse? Lol seriously mate you need to put your halo down and be realistic. Its good to see you think his question was stupid and that you also dont think any question is stupid "see above quote" lol His question however wasn't stupid, it was just very vague and unnecessary. We may be flaming him, yes, but your version of "help" is not really what the op needs, he needs to be told to bring it upon himself to find the information he needs which there is an abundance of on the numerous Honda forums scattered over the interwebz. We are doing him a favor in trying to make him more self sufficient. You are right no one can know everything, and not everyone will ask the right questions or do the right research but they can at least do their best to help themselves first instead of expecting to be spoon fed over and over again. I've seen numerous threads from the op for example his "what exhaust should I get?" thread (or something along those lines) yet again had he done some searching or jumped on YouTube and researched pros and cons of the models he was looking at he could of spared Ozhonda of yet another useless thread, that either gets flamed like this one, butchered like this one or closed like this thread may as well be. We are not shutting down his ability to learn as I said we are doing this guy a favor by teaching him how to learn things himself, and if he makes a wrong decision then he will learn the best way possible, by making a mistake which no amount of spoon feeding can replace. Also to the op, if you cannot possibly bring it upon yourself to find the information you need and you do find yourself making a new thread, at least give us something to work with, give us some decent/relevant information so that we can come to an easy solution.

End of rant

Fair point you've made in regards to the learning process, and fair enough, I don't know what the OP has posted previously. My comment in relation to being on a high-horse was a general comment, if you read my comment again it will probably be more clear. I completely agree his question was vague, there's no debate about it. My only quarrel was with the condescending smack that another user made towards both the OP and myself. I wasn't offended so to speak, but I just wanted to dish a bit back seeing that a particular user was quick to jump to assumptions about being mouth-fed. If you can't take it, don't dish it.
And my version of help gave the OP a link to 'exactly' what is required to measure spacer distance regardless of camber and drop, the link is universally used to measure spacer distance regardless of individual setup. I don't see how that wasn't helping?
I suppose each to their own, I won't put this metaphorical halo you've given me down, because I believe in positive reinforcement and just being a good dude. If you don't like a comment, or if its too vague, state it without being a cawk or just don't respond (this isn't directed at you by the way oz-striker).
Anyway, this is going waaaay off topic. The problems been resolved and the OP has sufficient, correct information to make measurements on his own.