Need a Integra Type S for race car

[applestypes]

Hey Guys,

I am looking at upgrading my current race car to an Honda Integra Type S (or Type R). As the car does not need to be registered, I am looking for an import or a damaged car.

Can anyone help or guide me in the right direction to buy a Type S without spending a lot of money.

*********UPDATED********

From what I am reading, I am best to get a Type R.

From people experience, what is better, a DC2R or DC5R. I will be racing in Production Car class so I can not make many changes to the car.

Thanks for all you feedback

Thanks

[Indie]

If it's a track car, why not RWD?

[DC2-PWR]

If it's a track car, why not RWD?

or AWD, or 4wd, or whatever.

It's his choice what he wants to track with.

OP I suggest look at auctions and stuff, it'll be hard finding a DC5. DC2 chassis is good too, up to you to decide anyway

[applestypes]

I have a soft spot for Honda's. I have driven a honda's for a while and they are a strong reliable car. I have been racing a RWD car. I want a challenge to race and be successful in a FWD.

[Indie]

Fair enough. I'd also recommend going for the DC2, as it'll be easier and cheaper to source a thrashed DC2 for track use, but I guess if you can find a DC5, great. Why would you be after the Type S over the Type R? Wouldn't the Type R be a better track proposition?

@DC2-PWR Of course it's his choice. Where did I say otherwise? It just seemed strange that you'd source a FWD as a purely track-day car, so I asked, and he told me his reasons. That's how questions and answers generally work.

[DC2-PWR]

Fair enough. I'd also recommend going for the DC2, as it'll be easier and cheaper to source a thrashed DC2 for track use, but I guess if you can find a DC5, great. Why would you be after the Type S over the Type R? Wouldn't the Type R be a better track proposition?

@DC2-PWR Of course it's his choice. Where did I say otherwise? It just seemed strange that you'd source a FWD as a purely track-day car, so I asked, and he told me his reasons. That's how questions and answers generally work.

lol all cool dude :thumbsup:

+1 for DC2 Chassis, but I'd look hard at a lot of places (NSW auctions).

[khanguskhan]

I know of a DC5R with damage for sale PM for more details, located in melbourne.

[integraR]

look at auctions such as pickles and manheim
they appear once in a while and they're not too expensive

[dougie_504]

I hear the Type S is very hard to modify because of the way the ECU is setup (can't be tuned or something).

Best getting a Type R, and I reckon the DC2R is a great idea. In stock form it's awesome, just strip it a bit.

[RSKEbaby]

if your gonna build a 'race car' your best bet is to scrap the idea of a dc5r or dc5s, and use a eg shell and get a k24/k20. yeeehboii

[DC5.Raven]

I hear the Type S is very hard to modify because of the way the ECU is setup (can't be tuned or something).

Best getting a Type R, and I reckon the DC2R is a great idea. In stock form it's awesome, just strip it a bit.

Yea you may require the revert to the DC5R ecu for compatibility with K-Pro.

Look here:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?69629-DC5S-with-Kpro

As mentioned above, you may want to consider other lighter shells (EG / EK).

[Indie]

The Type R's diff would be better for track duties than the S, anyway.

[applestypes]

From what I am reading, I am best to get a Type R.

From people experience, what is better, a DC2R or DC5R. I will be racing in Production Car class so I can not make many changes to the car.

Thanks for all you feedback

[Indie]

From what I am reading, I am best to get a Type R.

From people experience, what is better, a DC2R or DC5R. I will be racing in Production Car class so I can not make many changes to the car.

Thanks for all you feedbackThe DC2R is more track-focussed than the DC5R, and is lighter.

[Super-DA9]

He's racing production class, so K20/K24 EG is a no-go unfortunately.

and RWD and FWD are just different drive types, it's not like one is better for track or road then the other, they both have strong and weak points. for example most RWD's turn in well compared to most FWD sports cars, but FWD exits the turn better in most cases. from my experience anyway.

OP, you could try posting a WTB ad here on the forums?

[Indie]

and RWD and FWD are just different drive types, it's not like one is better for track or road then the other, they both have strong and weak points. for example most RWD's turn in well compared to most FWD sports cars, but FWD exits the turn better in most cases. from my experience anyway.Well, RWD will be able to handle more power, but as it's a production class, that's a non-issue. I'd argue, however, that FWDs benefits apply more to road cars (compact, affordable, stable in the wet), and that any car that's seeing track duties will surely benefit from the added balance, feedback and performance potential that a RWD drivetrain generally provides. Again, being a production class, with no scope for an increase in performance, a Type R will obviously do the trick.

"MOOOONNNIIIIIICCCAAAAAAAAAAA.......!!!"

[r3ckless]

id rather get a type r over type s for a race car since it has no sun roof and less sound deadeining...

[RSKEbaby]

dc2r > dc5r.

haterzzz gon hateee

[EVLGTR]

dc2r > dc5r.

haterzzz gon hateee

You're right, DC2 Type R is RAW and a more race orientated than the conservative DC5R....let them hate, its not our fault our DC2-R is a lot more hardcore to the bone

[GSi_PSi]

^ without fail you are in every thread whining about how dc2r is better than dc5r. did a dc5r run over your dog or something ?

[EVLGTR]

^ hahahaah to each their own, i didnt say its "better"....read it properly bud.

[noobcake]

Hardkoreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[wokstar88]

Yea you may require the revert to the DC5R ecu for compatibility with K-Pro.

Look here:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?69629-DC5S-with-Kpro

As mentioned above, you may want to consider other lighter shells (EG / EK).

Given that you have to revert to the DC5R ECU with all the O2 sensor and harnesses that you need to buy and replace. How do the guys in America get away with tuning the RSX-S? Surely it can't be that different...

[bennjamin]

Hey Guys,

I am looking at upgrading my current race car to an Honda Integra Type S (or Type R). As the car does not need to be registered, I am looking for an import or a damaged car.

Can anyone help or guide me in the right direction to buy a Type S without spending a lot of money.

*********UPDATED********

From what I am reading, I am best to get a Type R.

From people experience, what is better, a DC2R or DC5R. I will be racing in Production Car class so I can not make many changes to the car.

Thanks for all you feedback

Thanks

whats your current car ? What class / what series ? What license do you have ? Where do you race ?

Are you serious - considering a type S over a Type R in the first place ?! Are you a student or ?

[SpoonS]

Yea you may require the revert to the DC5R ecu for compatibility with K-Pro.

Look here:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?69629-DC5S-with-Kpro

As mentioned above, you may want to consider other lighter shells (EG / EK).

Or you could get the haltech and not have to worry about gettng a type r ecu.

[DC5.Raven]

Given that you have to revert to the DC5R ECU with all the O2 sensor and harnesses that you need to buy and replace. How do the guys in America get away with tuning the RSX-S? Surely it can't be that different...

Facelifted RSX-S (05 -06) will have the same issues as our DC5S.

[stevanbonic]

whats your current car ? What class / what series ? What license do you have ? Where do you race ?

Are you serious - considering a type S over a Type R in the first place ?! Are you a student or ?

whats wrong with the TypeS!!! :p

If you are going to race it you are always going to change out seats and install a clutch LSD so pretty much on even grounds, K20Z1 flows a little better factory too :)

[bennjamin]

whats wrong with the TypeS!!! :p

If you are going to race it you are always going to change out seats and install a clutch LSD so pretty much on even grounds, K20Z1 flows a little better factory too :)

All i mean is a type S is more expensive to begin with :)

[stevanbonic]

hehe true :) I kind of wish i bought a typeR sometimes lol

[WATAJK]

tbh, if your making a "race car" it doesn't matter which you pick.
I'd go witht he DC5R purely because the K Series is a much new motor of the late B Series now... as you can see, most cars that did become equip with the b series, most owners are now swapping over to the new K series purely because better reliability and power. Look at the BYP DC2R and EG, both sporting K Swaps...

Just my opinion

[Nuci]

You're right, DC2 Type R is RAW and a more race orientated than the conservative DC5R....let them hate, its not our fault our DC2-R is a lot more hardcore to the bone

Rawness and hardcoreness doesn't translate to track times... Call me biased but the dc5r is a faster car than the dc2r

[SpoonS]

A type r is easier to convert into a race car then a type s. Trust me, its not easy with a type s.

[RSKEbaby]

lets all be honest.

K series > B series
dc2r > dc5r

k20 dc2r = winning

[EVLGTR]

Rawness and hardcoreness doesn't translate to track times... Call me biased but the dc5r is a faster car than the dc2r

No but rawness translates to the fun factor of a DC2 Type-R which appeals to me. Sure that its faster? have u checked the power to weight ratio of a dc2r vs dc5r? :D... If you want track times and a fast car get a RWD or an AWD :)

[GSi_PSi]

^ rskyebaby speaks the truth... plus i dunno doesnt seem right makin dc5 a race car, most of them still have that new car feel and smell.. whereas most dc2r are raped and dont feel bad making it
"because race car"

[mugen_ctr]

I remember seeing a few type-S in a production based series awhile back on tv, so ur not the first to do it... but anything can be achieved, weather its DC5R or DC5S, both in my eyes are equal when it comes to production based series, they both use similar engines, and chassis, if ur gonna strip the car for a cage, fia approved seats, harness etc etc, than either one is fine imo

What many fail to see that most production based series dont allow for much mods, if anything tires, suspension, safety harness/cage/seat and few more other things.... , so those who say do this an that, u dont have much understanding for production based series, this aint no unlimited, unrestricted time attack series, but a proper "race" with laps and opponents on the track, not some 3 lap based series where who can get the fastest time....

[WATAJK]

No but rawness translates to the fun factor of a DC2 Type-R which appeals to me. Sure that its faster? have u checked the power to weight ratio of a dc2r vs dc5r? :D... If you want track times and a fast car get a RWD or an AWD :)

Modified K Series over B Series anyday mate...
Sorry to say but it's the truth (Not hating just saying)

By the way, im not being biased but as i said, look around.... Look how many K Swaps are going on

If the OP is asking for a DC5R/S you would assume he's after a FWD car.... but specifically a DC5

[EVLGTR]

Modified K Series over B Series anyday mate...
Sorry to say but it's the truth (Not hating just saying)

By the way, im not being biased but as i said, look around.... Look how many K Swaps are going on

If the OP is asking for a DC5R/S you would assume he's after a FWD car.... but specifically a DC5

At the end of the day a DC2 Type R with a K-series, is still a DC2 Type-R......so, what now? LOL

[WATAJK]

At the end of the day a DC2 Type R with a K-series, is still a DC2 Type-R......so, what now? LOL

If you read what the OP said, his car must contain the factory motor the car came with so a DC2R with a K20 or K24 is no good.

[SpoonS]

DC5 is better then DC2


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czuUdyVhf0A

/thread

[EVLGTR]

If you read what the OP said, his car must contain the factory motor the car came with so a DC2R with a K20 or K24 is no good.

Good for you and the OP, its anybody's opinion mate & if you read what i said "to each their own". I only suggested the DC2 Type-R is alot more race-car like whether you're against it or not.

By the way ive seen modified dc2r's with B-series decimates modified dc5r's with K-series...

[EVLGTR]

DC5 is better then DC2

LOL i guess you ignored this video which was shown on the same search page on youtube...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5pAbgTIzIQ

sorry, i didnt realise how far back the DC5's were but they're a good car... ....

[Indie]

They both suck. Race cars are RWD.

[u mad?]

lets all be honest.

K series > B series
dc2r > dc5r

k20 dc2r = winningThis guy knows whats up!

[GSi_PSi]

They both suck. Race cars are RWD.

All ive been seeing from you recently is fwd hate lol why did you buy a integra ?
Maybe people like you need to head out to a trackday and see all the sucky
hondas hold their own against rwd and awd, sure they arent going to be the fastest
out there but will put a lot of cars to shame. Like say for example a lamborghini galardo ? :cool:


Advan Neova Cup Wakefield Park Leaderboard
Overall Position Driver Vehicle Best Time Class 01 Brandon Lockwood Honda Integra 01:05.73 (http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?03/10/2011.WAKE.S3.Y) FWD 02 James Hodge Lamborghini Gallardo 01:08.29 (http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?23/07/2011.WAKE)* NA 03 John Healey Subaru WRX 01:10.23 (http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?14/08/2011.WAKE.SS) 4WD Turbo <250kw 04 Anthony Loh Mitsubishi EVO 9 01:10.33 (http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?03/10/2011.WAKE.S3.Y) 4WD Turbo <250kw 05 Gerry Kolaitis Mitsubishi Evo 6.5 TME 01:11.43 (http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?26/04/2011.WAKE.S3.Y) 4WD Turbo Open

[stevanbonic]

Good for you and the OP, its anybody's opinion mate & if you read what i said "to each their own". I only suggested the DC2 Type-R is alot more race-car like whether you're against it or not.

By the way ive seen modified dc2r's with B-series decimates modified dc5r's with K-series...

bit of a subjective response, end of the day if you are comparing the 2 platforms i would personally build a k series DC2 simply because they are easier to set up suspension wise, in saying this though the DC5 is an equally capable chassis when set up correctly and the most suitable of the 2 for the OP's needs.

[Indie]

All ive been seeing from you recently is fwd hate lol why did you buy a integra ?
Maybe people like you need to head out to a trackday and see all the sucky
hondas hold their own against rwd and awd, sure they arent going to be the fastest
out there but will put a lot of cars to shame. Like say for example a lamborghini galardo ? :cool:


Advan Neova Cup Wakefield Park Leaderboard
Overall Position Driver Vehicle Best Time Class 01 Brandon Lockwood Honda Integra 01:05.73 (http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?03/10/2011.WAKE.S3.Y) FWD 02 James Hodge Lamborghini Gallardo 01:08.29 (http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?23/07/2011.WAKE)* NA 03 John Healey Subaru WRX 01:10.23 (http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?14/08/2011.WAKE.SS) 4WD Turbo <250kw 04 Anthony Loh Mitsubishi EVO 9 01:10.33 (http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?03/10/2011.WAKE.S3.Y) 4WD Turbo <250kw 05 Gerry Kolaitis Mitsubishi Evo 6.5 TME 01:11.43 (http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?26/04/2011.WAKE.S3.Y) 4WD Turbo OpenBecause I was saving money, and it isn't tracked.

Also, I'd be a lot more willing to push an Integra to its limits on a track than a Gallardo. If I write off a Gallardo, I'll be a lot more upset. Besides, the track record isn't held by a FWD, so results from some arbitrary track day don't hold much weight.

[Cartoon]

considering you want to race in production class look into an import (race and rally use only) JDM type r :)

[GSi_PSi]

Because I was saving money, and it isn't tracked.

Also, I'd be a lot more willing to push an Integra to its limits on a track than a Gallardo. If I write off a Gallardo, I'll be a lot more upset. Besides, the track record isn't held by a FWD, so results from some arbitrary track day don't hold much weight.

I guess your mindset comes from owning a dull GSi, most owners think that they've experienced what all Integra's or FWD cars have to offer and develop a negativity towards them.

anyway, let the discussion continue not have your unnecessary comments such as yours.

[Indie]

I guess your mindset comes from owning a dull GSi, most owners think that they've experienced what all Integra's or FWD cars have to offer and develop a negativity towards them.

anyway, let the discussion continue not have your unnecessary comments such as yours.No, no, not at all. That's why I didn't buy a Type R. I don't see the point of having a half-baked sports car, when there are better options at comparable prices. I was simply looking at getting a Civic for a daily, and then found a bargain DC4 and thought "why not". I have no performance expectations of the GSi, so it's not a problem. It's as 'dull' as a Civic or an Accord, and a very nice car. It's not a race car, but neither is its big brother.

I know this because Edwin came dead last in the drag race against Dom Toretto and Brian Spilner. Even though his Type R was red with flames on it, it was still slow.

[SpoonS]

I know this because Edwin came dead last in the drag race against Dom Toretto and Brian Spilner. Even though his Type R was red with flames on it, it was still slow.

Drag racing? You based it on a drag race???

[khanguskhan]

^^^lololol

[khanguskhan]

I feel so depressed now that you tell me that, to think that a DC2R is only half baked >< maybe I'll sell my car and get a gsi too now

[u mad?]

Don't mind him guys, he's just sour because he owns a base model automatic gsi and feels the need to tell ozhonda how shit integra's and front wheel drives in general are (even the type r's that he's probably never even ridden in let alone drive).

Why don't you tell all the ff honda owners on here that are lapping under 1:10's at wakefield to sell up and buy a rear wheel drive indie? Because obviously there cars are are the wrong wheel drive?

Its a honda forum, if you don't like ff cars then don't come here and post?

[Indie]

Don't mind him guys, he's just sour because he owns a base model automatic gsi and feels the need to tell ozhonda how shit integra's and front wheel drives in general are (even the type r's that he's probably never even ridden in let alone drive).

Why don't you tell all the ff honda owners on here that are lapping under 1:10's at wakefield to sell up and buy a rear wheel drive indie? Because obviously there cars are are the wrong wheel drive?

Its a honda forum, if you don't like ff cars then don't come here and post?u mad?

I drive manual, by the way. Several of my friends own Type Rs. At least one is selling up and buying something else, as he's taken his Type R as far as it can go, and needs something with more performance potential.

Uh, Honda make FR cars too, you know. Now the S2000, THERE'S a track car.

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/customavatars/avatar28865_7.gif

[GSi_PSi]

600HP S2000 Track Only Car REAR WHEEL DRIVE 1:03.4

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6221/6236228496_475d3717ab_z.jpg


VS
Street Registered Integra FRONT WHEEL DRIVE 1:03.2

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6174/6236846287_2d37295cee_z.jpg


Yeah Front Wheel Drive's cant be fast >?... U MAD?

[WATAJK]

^^ gg

/End thread

[Indie]

600HP S2000 Track Only Car REAR WHEEL DRIVE 1:03.4

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6221/6236228496_475d3717ab_z.jpg


VS
Street Registered Integra FRONT WHEEL DRIVE 1:03.2

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6174/6236846287_2d37295cee_z.jpg


Yeah Front Wheel Drive's cant be fast >?... U MAD?You can't support or deny any theory by providing one example, unfortunately.

You could however mention that Jason Plato and Matt Neal have won the last two BTCC titles in FWD Honda Civics, beating out rivals such as the RWD BMW. But I think that it's mainly to do with VTEC giving the Civics an unfair advantage.

[DC2-PWR]

lol guys dw about him, let him enjoy the ride in his gsi..........

[DC2-PWR]

600HP S2000 Track Only Car REAR WHEEL DRIVE 1:03.4

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6221/6236228496_475d3717ab_z.jpg


VS
Street Registered Integra FRONT WHEEL DRIVE 1:03.2

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6174/6236846287_2d37295cee_z.jpg


Yeah Front Wheel Drive's cant be fast >?... U MAD?

I remember Brandon saying that he might lose against that S2K, so proud of that guy when he beat it. And the BYP DC2R can only improve, great chassis setup

Was keen to see flicks eg at the track

[Indie]

lol guys dw about him, let him enjoy the ride in his gsi..........Well, if we were to start slagging off each others' cars, I'd ask why you're driving the watered-down VTi-R rather than a Type R. But I'm not like that. I appreciate the VTi-R for what it is, and it certainly had its place in the line up. I see a lot of forty to fifty year old women driving them, and that's a good demographic to market your vehicles towards.

[chargeR]

But I think that it's mainly to do with VTEC giving the Civics an unfair advantage.

BTCC cars are not allowed to use variable valve timing, so those cars don't have VTEC. Also using a race series like that as an example to compare drivetrain layouts is a poor idea, as there is always restrictions based on all the cars to try to maintain performance parity. So the speed of the car is not at all representative of the performance of the base car or the base drivetrain layout.

[mugen_ctr]

Besides not allowing any form of variable valve timing......The reason they dont use VTEC is cause vtec just doesnt work in the real world of racing...... real race cars use a engine with high profile cams, to achieve a very good power band through out the rev range, the last thing u want is a lapse in power because vtec didnt kick in when u went through that apex..... Kinda like turbo lag, actually no, thats a bad example to use.. cause vtec is no where as good as turbo :D

Since the OP cant touch the engine, all he can do an hope for is to utilize and learn what he can from the engine, and base that off into his racing, by knowing when or which gear to use to make the most of the engine to achieve a great lap time, and hopefully win the sunday event :)

[GSi_PSi]

OP should be looking at SpoonS DC5 which has been modified for track use. There's a build thread on here somewhere

[stevanbonic]

Drag racing? You based it on a drag race???

hahaha funny bastard!

Indie dude is a clown, i remember why i stopped visiting Ozhonda again.

[Indie]

You know you're trolling well when you base an argument on a fictional drag race that occurred in an inaccurate Hollywood film, yet people still believe that you're serious.

Then again, when there are people out there who think that a DC5S will make a better track car than a DC2/DC5R, I guess anything's possible...

On a serious note, I'm also curious to know what the OP's previous RWD track car was.

[EKVTIR-T]

I bet he regrets ever coming here and asking the damn question with this shitfight..nothing ever changes

[Super-DA9]

Why don't you tell all the ff honda owners on here that are lapping under 1:10's at wakefield to sell up and buy a rear wheel drive indie? Because obviously there cars are are the wrong wheel drive?

Existing drive types:
AWD = All Wheel Drive
RWD = "Right" Wheel Drive
WWD = "Wrong" Wheel Drive

FUUUUUUUU I got wrong wheel drive, time to sell.

[Fraser]

Rawness and hardcoreness doesn't translate to track times... Call me biased but the dc5r is a faster car than the dc2r

BIASED
No its not.

[Fraser]

Isn't it great though here in Australia we have freedom of speech so each to his own and I'm sure the OP can make up his own mind given enough good evidence.
I own an ex production racing DC2R and when it all boils down I may be a little biased too but hey we're all just human after all.
Oh and its over 3 seconds a lap quicker than a similar DC5R at Simmons Plains.Go figure ?

[tiksie]

Wow.. What's with the RWD vs FF shit fight ? Who cares ? OP just wants to know what route to take.

I would personally go with a DC2R as I have been in both 5R and 2R.. The 2R always felt more 'track orientated'.

This is my personal opinion ofcourse.

[Nuci]

Isn't it great though here in Australia we have freedom of speech so each to his own and I'm sure the OP can make up his own mind given enough good evidence.
I own an ex production racing DC2R and when it all boils down I may be a little biased too but hey we're all just human after all.
Oh and its over 3 seconds a lap quicker than a similar DC5R at Simmons Plains.Go figure ?

My point was that in stock form, a DC5R is quicker round a track than a DC2R. Info about modified versions in this thread is irrelevant, as it doesnt relate to the OPs question.

[Fraser]

My point was that in stock form, a DC5R is quicker round a track than a DC2R. Info about modified versions in this thread is irrelevant, as it doesnt relate to the OPs question.
Both cars I mention are showroom production,in my humble experience the DC5 was always regarded as a slug compared to a DC2 otherwise I would have purchased one instead.I see you own a DC5 so you are a bit emotional about the subject whereas my purchase was based purely on economics ie what does the best job for the money no emotion attached.Natsoft is openly available to everybody,maybe you could do some research to prove me wrong.

[l__i__l]

LOL i own a dc5r and it's not quicker than a dc2r around a track

on any track with a good number of corners with drivers being equal the dc2r will simply walk away....they fly through the corners whereas the stock dc5r is a understeering mofo

on straightline speed their equal

[Nuci]

Let's agree to disagree.

[Fraser]

Yep Nuci thats the best way.Don't get me wrong I quite like the DC5 in all forms.
Anyway the thread was about buying a DC5 S so my input would be Salvage Auctions particularly NSW where vehicles are stat write offs. I watch them a lot and there seem to be great examples coming up all the time and prices are down as they can''t be registered anymore (shame that).Stolen and recovered and light damage is quite common and that is the way I'd go.
Good luck with it.

[EVLGTR]

stock for stock, the DC2 Type R has a better power-to-weight ratio than a dc5 Type R.

Originally a topic about DC5S but i see the OP is actually considering dc2R / dc5R

[Nuci]

stock for stock, the DC2 Type R has a better power-to-weight ratio than a dc5 Type R.

Originally a topic about DC5S but i see the OP is actually considering dc2R / dc5R

It's not all about top end power. The k20a makes more power in the mid rpm range, and also makes more torque. The biggest advantage the dc2 has is it's lighter and stiffer chassis. Both of which can be very easily fixed in a dc5r with the right knowledge

[l__i__l]

The biggest advantage the dc2 has is it's lighter and stiffer chassis. Both of which can be very easily fixed in a dc5r with the right knowledge

dont forget the double wishbone
drive both in stock form at the track and ull know which one is quicker
i know its hard to swallow but honda were in 2 minds with the dc5- part grocery getter, part racer.

[GSi_PSi]

That's the thing people fail to understand , every car is different, there are heaps of factors to come to play.Good luck getting stock versions of each car running at out of factory conditions. Things such as tyres play a massive part in determining the faster car. Engine life will play a good part as most DC2R's having higher kms with loss compression etc.
One thing I can note from experience is that the Audm k20a2 feels some what toned down vs jdm k20a. If only we got the whole package here....sighhhh

[SpoonS]

LOL i own a dc5r and it's not quicker than a dc2r around a track

on any track with a good number of corners with drivers being equal the dc2r will simply walk away....they fly through the corners whereas the stock dc5r is a understeering mofo

on straightline speed their equal

Please refer back to this video:-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=czuUdyVhf0A

[GSi_PSi]

video is flawed caused audm and jdm dc2r/dc5r are different

Audm dc5r = 147kw 11:1 comp k20a2
jdm dc5r = 166kw 11:7 comp k20a,+ aggresive cams,+ brembos

[Glocker]

DC2R because of double wishbone front suspension is better than the bullshit macpherson struts in the DC5R. It's not an Toyota so no idea why honda even put there in the first place.

[Indie]

DC2R because of double wishbone front suspension is better than the bullshit macpherson struts in the DC5R. It's not an Toyota so no idea why honda even put there in the first place.Because Honda very obviously stopped giving a shit about building drivers cars.

[Nuci]

Because Honda very obviously stopped giving a shit about building drivers cars.

Or because building 'drivers cars' isn't a viable option for them. The motor industry is driven by sales, not necessarily by how good a car is. Sales for all of hondas sports models were dwindling, plus some of their engines failed to meet the euro emissions standards and had to be scrapped. Not because the CEO woke up one day and decided "let's just get rid of all the sports models". The double wishbone suspension was removed because it was too expensive for mass production in the dc5. It got an LSD though.

[Fraser]

Yes the days of factory fast Hondas have gone,the latest R Civics have a torsion beam rear suspension ala VW and even they don't use them anymore.Did I read somewhere that the torsion beam rear allows more boot space.There's the answer.

[l__i__l]

LOL it always amazes me with honda drivers....they defend their cars like their family's honour is at stake...

i bet if somebody owned a honda horse and carriage he'll be on here defending how its > than dc2r/dc5r from it's light weight and uber horse

im not ashamed to admit it....but at the end of the day dc2r chassis was the best fwd ever made...it was so good honda never got out what they put into it.

honda had to compromise with the dc5r chassis and beefed up the engine instead...they nearly pulled it off....but in the end its still 0.5-1 sec slower.

this is why today dc2r chassis + k series = beast - the real dc5r...add FI and u have a monster!

[u mad?]

....a monster with inferior suspension geometry. amaright?



I used to own a dc5r and the only thing i liked about it over the dc2r is the nice modern interior and its a little more roomy also. And the k series engine (even though its watered down) and g/b.


Like l_i_l said, put that k20 (or k24) in a dc2r and you've got an extremely enjoyable and potent front wheel drive honda!


edit- are we still talking about the audm dc5r here? lol

[l__i__l]

let me rewrite that

dc2r + kseries= beast - the real dc5r that was not meant to be

dc2r + k series + FI = monster!

[u mad?]

let me rewrite that

dc2r + kseries= beast - the real dc5r that was not meant to be

dc2r + k series + FI = monster!understood+ agree'd



dc2r + k series+ supercharger=

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i477/umad91/hc6hC.gif

[Indie]

Or because building 'drivers cars' isn't a viable option for them. The motor industry is driven by sales, not necessarily by how good a car is. Sales for all of hondas sports models were dwindling, plus some of their engines failed to meet the euro emissions standards and had to be scrapped. Not because the CEO woke up one day and decided "let's just get rid of all the sports models". The double wishbone suspension was removed because it was too expensive for mass production in the dc5. It got an LSD though.Building drivers cars is still a viable option for Nissan, who have the GT-R and 370Z, only sacrificing the Silvia, but bringing in the G35. The Germans have AMGs, Ms and Ss for almost every model. Subaru and Mitsubishi still produce their rally machines, if somewhat more demure versions, not to mention the BRZ, which even Toyota are getting back in the game with.

How many new Civics do you see that are tuned/riced like an EG/K? None. Because nobody wants to tune a bulbous, non-sporty hatchback, when there are so many far-superior options. Honda is dead, and I'm getting out and returning to Nissan.

[EVLGTR]

DC2R because of double wishbone front suspension is better than the bullshit macpherson struts in the DC5R. It's not an Toyota so no idea why honda even put there in the first place.

@ double wishbone suspension...Amen to that!

Nuci: i was talking about power to weight ratio....

[rhys.l]

Haha guys, having double wishbone suspension is not that important. A properly tuned torsion beam or strut setup can be just as good, or almost as good. Take for example the Renault Clio Sport. These rock a torsion beam rear end and yet they handle like nothing else. A Porsche Cayman has struts, and whilst being mid engined helps, it has amazing handling. I have driven both these cars and own a dc2r.

I'm not entirely sure how there is even an argument over which out of the dc2r or dc5r is better for track, stock for stock. Surely both sides can acknowledge the dc2r is more track orientated from the factory?

[Glocker]

Haha guys, having double wishbone suspension is not that important. A properly tuned torsion beam or strut setup can be just as good, or almost as good. Take for example the Renault Clio Sport. These rock a torsion beam rear end and yet they handle like nothing else. A Porsche Cayman has struts, and whilst being mid engined helps, it has amazing handling. I have driven both these cars and own a dc2r.

I'm not entirely sure how there is even an argument over which out of the dc2r or dc5r is better for track, stock for stock. Surely both sides can acknowledge the dc2r is more track orientated from the factory?

All those examples you've mentioned will be ten times better if they had double wishbone sussy all round.

Indie: yeah sure, Honda doesn't make sports cars like they use to, and the proper ones they make (FD2R) never made it here. Simply put Honda needs to stay afloat making bread and butter cars....but **** I'd take the current Civic over any shitty Corolla any day of the week. Hondas are still pretty awesome to drive compared to their counter parts like Mazda, Subaru and even Mitsubishi. Accord Euro or Camry/Magna/6/Liberty? I rest my case.

[rhys.l]

Sorry mate, but that is just simply not true, at least imo. The advantages of double wishbone are MINIMAL.

There may be a slight improvement if it is tuned optimally. But seriously we are talking about such a small fraction of what makes a sports car. There are other, much much more important factors

[Glocker]

Sorry mate, but that is just simply not true, at least imo. The advantages of double wishbone are MINIMAL.

There may be a slight improvement if it is tuned optimally. But seriously we are talking about such a small fraction of what makes a sports car. There are other, much much more important factors

Can you please list out the pros and cons of double wishbone suspension vs other types?

[rhys.l]

No I won't because that's not what this thread is about. Anyone can do an internet search and find out for themselves. In essence DW is a more tuneable setup and is capable of allowing, for example, increase in negative camber throughout the wheel travel (which MS can't). But to state a car would be 10x better just because it has DW is simply ridiculous. There are many factors which control how well a car handles and grips (including how a suspension setup is tuned), and having a DW suspension setup may just be part of the puzzle.

Anyway, continue on everyone else

[Indie]

All those examples you've mentioned will be ten times better if they had double wishbone sussy all round.

Indie: yeah sure, Honda doesn't make sports cars like they use to, and the proper ones they make (FD2R) never made it here. Simply put Honda needs to stay afloat making bread and butter cars....but **** I'd take the current Civic over any shitty Corolla any day of the week. Hondas are still pretty awesome to drive compared to their counter parts like Mazda, Subaru and even Mitsubishi. Accord Euro or Camry/Magna/6/Liberty? I rest my case.I'd take a Liberty GT over any equivalent Accord Euro. Oh wait, there isn't one. And they haven't made the Magna for years, by the way. I notice you're not even mentioning Falcon or Commodore. Just far too many flaws and irrelevancies in the paragraph to address, so yes, by all means buy the current Civic, and I will buy a Volkswagen Golf.

[Super-DA9]

dude you obviously don't like hondas haha, what are you doing here?

[dc2r-0636]

Hes trolling lol, and indie stop doing proper punctuation and grammer its fukn pissing me off!!!

Op, get a dc2r :)

[Indie]

Hes trolling lol, and indie stop doing proper punctuation and grammer its fukn pissing me off!!!

Op, get a dc2r :)Oh yeah, haha. Sorry, I forgot that trolls ar ment too talk liek dis. Can't bring myself to do it, unfortunately!

Eh, Honda make good cars. But honestly, the ricers and wannabe Sennas try to make them something they're not. For instance, turning a Type S into a 'race car'. It is not a race car, and it never will be.

[EKVTIR-T]

Dude he already said its Production class so regardless of everyones personal fave and what can be modded etc. any of the choices will be suitable

Just because they dont fit your view of a race car makes no difference.

examples

http://news.driverdb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Image2-300x199.jpg
http://www.speedcafe.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Screen-shot-2011-05-26-at-11.58.35-AM-344x224.png
http://www.ausmotive.com/images/Osborne-Motorsports-Mazda-01s.jpg

[Indie]

Dude he already said its Production class so regardless of everyones personal fave and what can be modded etc. any of the choices will be suitable

Just because they dont fit your view of a race car makes no difference.

examples

http://news.driverdb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Image2-300x199.jpg
http://www.speedcafe.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Screen-shot-2011-05-26-at-11.58.35-AM-344x224.png
http://www.ausmotive.com/images/Osborne-Motorsports-Mazda-01s.jpgOh yuck. I should report that post as offensive. Please don't do that again.

[Super-DA9]

lol a "race" car is whatever someone decides to build for racing. doesn't have to be within a certain taste.

[SpoonS]

We all know that Indie is an 'expert' when it comes to racing and race cars in general.


In all honesty, he's probably never even seen a race car

Those who can't do, become critics.

[stevanbonic]

We all know that Indie is an 'expert' when it comes to racing and race cars in general.


In all honesty, he's probably never even seen a race car

Those who can't do, become critics.

Didn't you know bedroom racers can be experts??

[Indie]

We all know that Indie is an 'expert' when it comes to racing and race cars in general.


In all honesty, he's probably never even seen a race car

Those who can't do, become critics.A uncle was an Australian Speedcar and Sprintcar champion. My family have owned Aston Martin DB2s, MGs, Mini Coopers, Triumphs, Jaguars, Mercedes, Maseratis, everything. I have lapped Calder in the passenger seat of a car driven by Peter Brock. I have seen The Fast and the Furious at least thirty times.

I have never claimed to be an excellent driver, or mechanic, but I know more about cars than most of the ricers in this place, and certainly enough to be allowed an opinion.

If somebody wishes to race with a Vauxhall Astra, so be it, but there's no style in that. Racing is about the spectacle.

[SpoonS]

lol and you call speedcars a race cars? As you said racing is about the spectacle, and speedcars/sprint cars are a piece of crap. I'll rather watch cow racing then that.

If i listed what my family owned i would know 100x what you know about racing.

So any car can be a race car.

[Indie]

lol and you call speedcars a race cars? As you said racing is about the spectacle, and speedcars/sprint cars are a piece of crap. I'll rather watch cow racing then that.

If i listed what my family owned i would know 100x what you know about racing.

So any car can be a race car.Nothing you just said was coherent. You're not smart.

[WATAJK]

lol and you call speedcars a race cars? As you said racing is about the spectacle, and speedcars/sprint cars are a piece of crap. I'll rather watch cow racing then that.

If i listed what my family owned i would know 100x what you know about racing.

So any car can be a race car.

This man speaks the truth!

[Super-DA9]

time to make a lounge thread guys, lol

[mugen_ctr]

time to make a lounge thread guys, lol

Sure thing LOL, cause most ppl here generally seem to miss the point of OP

But any who, more fuel to the fire, production based series = entry level motorsport. Without it, Fia GT3, GT1, DTM, V8 super cars etc etc wouldnt exist....

sprint cars are one form of racing, yay, but a minority racing category compared to production based series

[applestypes]

Hi All,

Sorry to disappoint the skeptics but I purchased a Type S to use as a race car. I read through all the threads and took in everyone's advice. At the end of the day the car will be fully stripped so all the dead weight will be removed.

For those who want to know, my previous RWD race car was an Improved Production Datsun 1200 Coupe.

Also, if anyone is interested in buying Type S Leather Seats please PM me.

Thanks to all for your advice.

[EKVTIR-T]

Nice going

Love the 1200s,got any pics?

[Indie]

Hi All,

Sorry to disappoint the skeptics but I purchased a Type S to use as a race car. I read through all the threads and took in everyone's advice. At the end of the day the car will be fully stripped so all the dead weight will be removed.

For those who want to know, my previous RWD race car was an Improved Production Datsun 1200 Coupe.

Also, if anyone is interested in buying Type S Leather Seats please PM me.

Thanks to all for your advice.Best of luck with the racing.

Sorry to hear you're no longer racing the 1200, what a sweet car, but as you've said, it's time to move on to something different.

[GSi_PSi]

Facelift looks better anyway . Because good looking race car !.

[Fraser]

All the best with your new aquisition, this thread got off the track a bit,but I'm glad you read it.I hope you post up a build thread,it will be good to see what others are doing on the race tracks.

[stevanbonic]

Hi All,

Sorry to disappoint the skeptics but I purchased a Type S to use as a race car. I read through all the threads and took in everyone's advice. At the end of the day the car will be fully stripped so all the dead weight will be removed.

For those who want to know, my previous RWD race car was an Improved Production Datsun 1200 Coupe.

Also, if anyone is interested in buying Type S Leather Seats please PM me.

Thanks to all for your advice.

good work man, i have the typeS seats lying outside my room collecting dust too haha. End of the day if you a building a race car, in goes clutch type LSD, racing seats and all you are left with between a typeR and S DC5 is different gearing and a slightly better head in the K20Z1. How far along with the build are you and what are your goals with it?

[applestypes]

Hi stevanbonic. I am only at the build stage. I thought I had a DC5 race shell but I missed out. I keep the forum posted on how the build is going.

Does anybody know who does the best roll cage at a reasonable price?

[chargeR]

Hi stevanbonic. I am only at the build stage. I thought I had a DC5 race shell but I missed out. I keep the forum posted on how the build is going.

Does anybody know who does the best roll cage at a reasonable price?

No idea, but add your location to your profile so people can suggest places local to you. There have been a handful of race DC5 shells done on this forum, including SpoonS who posted above so I am sure someone can point you in the right direction.

[stevanbonic]

Hi stevanbonic. I am only at the build stage. I thought I had a DC5 race shell but I missed out. I keep the forum posted on how the build is going.

Does anybody know who does the best roll cage at a reasonable price?

that wouldnt be the BYP yellow DC5 shell? If you are serious about building a DC5 then you best take a visit to ClubITR (http://forum.clubitr.com.au/index.php) for more relevant input and knowledge :)

[applestypes]

Hi stevanbonic. I am only at the build stage. I thought I had a DC5 race shell but I missed out. I keep the forum posted on how the build is going.

Does anybody know who does the best roll cage at a reasonable price?

Sorry. I am in Sydney

[SpoonS]

Hi stevanbonic. I am only at the build stage. I thought I had a DC5 race shell but I missed out. I keep the forum posted on how the build is going.

Does anybody know who does the best roll cage at a reasonable price?

What is reasonable to you?

If you want the best, then its Bonds

[gbpracing]

Hey buddy, glad to see you want a Honda to race, I dont blame youi as they are a great car to race. I can speak from experiance when talking FWD 1990 LS integra. I still have my racecar and won the 2000 and 2001 Improved production state championships. Having built my b18A/ Vtech back in 1999 the engine lasted a good 10 years when built well. It use to get around Phillip Island in 1:51. Im now building a B20/Vtec and i expect that to last at least 6 years. The Gen 2 Integra has an extreamly low drag coeficiency and can be made to strip down to 960kgs without much effort. Dont be swayed to go RWD, a good FWD will give most RWD cars a good run for their money. I know from experiance ! Just look at your buget and go with what you like. If you want the best engine builder I know a guy. I also know who not to use and that is a guy by the name of Andy. He use to run a place called AK Automotive. Andy is a great guy but cannot build a race engine. He built me one, charged me $10'000 and the thing lasted one weekend.
If you want to see my car look at TOVA and type in Black Beast. Or just google it.
All the best Gary

[mocchi]

What is reasonable to you?

If you want the best, then its Bonds

can you please elaborate why Bonds is the best.

[EKVTIR-T]

Hey buddy, glad to see you want a Honda to race, I dont blame youi as they are a great car to race. I can speak from experiance when talking FWD 1990 LS integra. I still have my racecar and won the 2000 and 2001 Improved production state championships. Having built my b18A/ Vtech back in 1999 the engine lasted a good 10 years when built well. It use to get around Phillip Island in 1:51. Im now building a B20/Vtec and i expect that to last at least 6 years. The Gen 2 Integra has an extreamly low drag coeficiency and can be made to strip down to 960kgs without much effort. Dont be swayed to go RWD, a good FWD will give most RWD cars a good run for their money. I know from experiance ! Just look at your buget and go with what you like. If you want the best engine builder I know a guy. I also know who not to use and that is a guy by the name of Andy. He use to run a place called AK Automotive. Andy is a great guy but cannot build a race engine. He built me one, charged me $10'000 and the thing lasted one weekend.
If you want to see my car look at TOVA and type in Black Beast. Or just google it.
All the best Gary

Got any links to your car?

[SpoonS]

can you please elaborate why Bonds is the best.

Its because they are one of the people that build cages to set requirements and dont put random bars in just because they think its better. They are also one of the few in sydney that can build FIA approved cages, and its not easy to be qualified to do that.
Take a look at my cage.

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad184/songkla/DSC_0063.jpg

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad184/songkla/DSC_0067.jpg

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad184/songkla/DSC_0065.jpg

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad184/songkla/DSC_0064.jpg

[Bludger]

I also know who not to use and that is a guy by the name of Andy. He use to run a place called AK Automotive.
lulz here.....

Back yarders ftw.....