Buddy Club racing spec condenser installed

[learner]

just installed Buddy Club racing spec condenser in my euro yesterday.
this product can gain horse-power , better fuel consumption, better lighting quality, improve sound system quality, more smooth engine :D

once after installed... really can feel the car is more sensitive and more powerful at 3000rpm to 7000rpm and the head light is more brightness...
its really easy to install and it can be re-use when you get a new car.
about fuel consumption... still the first tank of fuel... will update it later

i really recommend to everyone

here are some pic of my engine bay
http://members.iinet.net.au/~tommi/ozHonda/BuddyClub/BuddyClub01.jpg
http://members.iinet.net.au/~tommi/ozHonda/BuddyClub/BuddyClub02.jpg

This is how it looks at night
http://members.iinet.net.au/~tommi/ozHonda/BuddyClub/BuddyClub03.jpg

[kenshin]

how does it work? lol

[EuroAccord13]

It's it just a voltage stabiliser?

[bigdongers]

I like the various mugen details

I too dont know what the condensor does.

[Reagan]

What the? seems interesting please explain more !

[Spoon-Accord]

How much did u pay for this voltage stabaliser??

can u also give us a link on where to purchase??

Ken

[learner]

how does it work? lol

here is da buddy club link
http://www.first-inc.co.jp/buddyclub/top_m.html
here is the english version (using Babel Fish Translation)
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.first-inc.co.jp%2Fbuddyclub%2Fcondenser%2Fcondenser.html&lp=ja_en

main purpose is to regulate the voltage in the car's electric system. It prevents the sudden drop in voltage caused by : acceleration, lights being switch on, and other electric equipments being used inside the car just to name a few. The condenser will keep the voltage at a constant level and this, in turn will result in improving power, overall smoothness of the engine, better gas mileage and in general, improve the efficiency of the car's electric system. this condenser also substantially reduces electrical noise in your vehicle, which can interfere with the performance of components such as the ignition, distributor, etc. Consequently, the grounding system helps minimize inefficiency and power loss, allowing the engine to perform optimally. Noticeable effects include smoother power delivery and improved throttle response.

[learner]

It's it just a voltage stabiliser?

:D i think so... voltage stabiliser & ground system. :confused:
but buddy club name it RACING SPEC CONDENSER ;).
i choose this cos the normal taiwan/china made voltage stabiliser is around tat price already and doesnt know where they coming from...
so i pay a little bit more, at least is from buddy club... cant be tat bad :D

[baboo]

what a clean engine bay

[cmf]

Is there a specific application for different model cars?

Was the wiring diagram in English text? If not, how did you know where to run what wires?

[Reagan]

how much chu get it for =)

[Kawasaki]

I was thinking of getting the same product :D. Question... does it reduce the power loss from having air con on? most of them claim to but how effective is it?

[learner]

Is there a specific application for different model cars?

Was the wiring diagram in English text? If not, how did you know where to run what wires?

you can use it in any car even truck
the manual is in jap.... but is very easy... 2 wire ( + & - ) to battery... another 3 wires is ground... to anywhere you like.. if u not sure. pm me



how much chu get it for =)

around AU$250



I was thinking of getting the same product :D. Question... does it reduce the power loss from having air con on? most of them claim to but how effective is it?

it does...
how effective... really, is much much better then i expect.

[LOC888]

Awesome device.. Did u do the install ur self?

[learner]

Awesome device.. Did u do the install ur self?

yea... its very very easy to install... took me like less then 10 mins

[Pum[Z]]

Awesome looks good... The only thing is that it makes the engine bay look messy...

Do like ur mugen periphelia... Wats that mugen cover that looks like a orange sock??

EuroAccord13 Didn't u have something like this before as well but u decided to sell it??

[learner]

']Awesome looks good... The only thing is that it makes the engine bay look messy...

Do like ur mugen periphelia... Wats that mugen cover that looks like a orange sock??

EuroAccord13 Didn't u have something like this before as well but u decided to sell it??

yea... very messy. gonna fix it later when i install the CAI kit.
the orange sock is resevoir cover.
link here
http://www.mugen-power.com/street/04fitmt/parts/index3.html

[EuroAccord13]

']EuroAccord13 Didn't u have something like this before as well but u decided to sell it??

Mine's only a grounding kit... didn't work for me... perhaps I should try the voltage stabilier... :)


Learner, where did u get the sock? does it only come in that colour? I'm tempted by it.... :D

[learner]

Mine's only a grounding kit... didn't work for me... perhaps I should try the voltage stabilier... :)


Learner, where did u get the sock? does it only come in that colour? I'm tempted by it.... :D

yea... it only comes in tat colour... i got it from overseas.
but i saw tat for sale on ebay b4...
u lucky... just find it
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7954845493&category=42605&sspagename=WDVW

[Gibbo]

this "condenser sounds like a 1 farrad capacitor (similar to those used on high end car audio systems) all it does is charge up to the cars peak electrical voltage and when the voltage falls below that of the capacitor it discharges itself across the cars system to try and hold the voltage steady. You can buy these capacitors from jaycar for around $100 and even get a whole heap of fancy connectors etc... to make it look bling. Now dont get me wrong, im sure that these things work and probably have some other sorts of regulating circuits and things as well but just be careful that it isnt some fancy marketing of a simple device. (p.s - Im a dual trade electrician/instrument fitter so i do have a little bit of knowledge on the subject of how electrical components behave)

[cmf]

That condenser is on ebay as well. 145 USD. If anyone gets it and needs help with shipping, let me know.

[learner]

That condenser is on ebay as well. 145 USD. If anyone gets it and needs help with shipping, let me know.

you talkin about NEW or USED?
if is new :eek: USD145...... can someone just kill me pls.... i paid around AU250:(
but wait... in japan is already Yen15800(price from buddy club website)...
how can it be cheaper then in japan??:confused:
r u sure is from buddy club?? i couldnt find it on ebay...
can you post da link pls...

[J-MuN]

yeh, as Gibbo said, this gadget does sound very similar to a Capacitor used in Car Audio Systems... not sure if it will do the same thing as a Capacitor but sounds rather similar. I'm waiting for my 5 Farrad Capacitor to come in for my system and i'll just have to wait and see for the results... This BuddyClub gadget seems to do a lil bit more than wat my Cap is going to do so, hmmm... sounds tempting...

[cmf]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7954024316&category=33574&sspagename=WDVW

In the US on buddy clubs website, it has an MSRP of 198 USD. I would have expected it to be at such a price on ebay. I figure if they buy in large quantities, they can sell it cheaper.

[yfin]

What is the difference between the Buddy Club and this sort of grounding kit on ebay? (apart from price). They also claim more hp

Gibbo - you are the expert on this - over to you..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7956256510&category=33574&sspagename=WDVW

[Gibbo]

yfin to me the ground kit is a very pretty way of doing what any of us could do - making sure the earth/ground return system is of a high quality(by that i mean has a low resistance) this stops the earth wire acting as a resistor of sorts and by using multiple paths would help to stop any posible earth loops forming. The condenser is in effect like adding a second battery (a battery has the capacitance of approximately 1 farrad) It can be likened to intake and exhaust if it makes it easier to think in those terms. if your electrical system has more current (amps) it will not feel a drain when a high load device is being used. and if the earth is a low resistance it will mean there is no voltage drop across the return path. this will allow your cars electrical system to perform better. The similarity in the intake systam is if you can get more air in to the engine and get rid of the exhaust gases with the least amount of resistance your car will perform better. I know this is long winded but I hope it helps... P.s This is only my opinion if I'm wrong somebody please put me on the right track... cheers guys (& girls)

[aaronng]

Yeah, like what Gibbo says. In simple speak, the ground kit ensures that the difference between +12V and ground is maintained without any increase in resistance from stock grounding design (which results in +11V or lower instead).
The condenser ensures that voltage spikes (increase or decrease) are smoothened so that you get consistent +12V and ground difference.
So one is for improving +12V and ground, and the other is for making it consistent +12V and ground (the Buddy Club does both).

I want to purchase the Buddy Club condenser too because it pisses me off when my headlight dims when the AC compressor turns on.

[Peekay34]

This my version installed on my car it is a Pivot Unit. Smaller and I think looks tidier..(my opinion) but they do the same thing.

[aaronng]

Peekay, how much did it cost and where can I buy it?

[Peekay34]

I got mine from Singapore from the following I think it was less than $100 plus shipping details below. But can't be sure as it was a while ago and only just got off my butt and installed it. Tell him Paul from melbourne reffered you.
His prices are quite resonable and has stuff for the Jazz and Civic.

Jeremy Pao
Mobile : (65) 9637 4996
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MotoRex Autowerkz & Trading

24, New Industrial Road, #06-04B
Pei-Fu Industrial Building, Singapore 536210.


Tel : (65) 6289 4188 Fax : (65) 6289 9226
www.motorexonline.com (http://www.motorexonline.com)

[learner]

some info on Pivot Volt Stabilizer
as i know, they have two models
one is without the ground wire... (the one in Peekay's car)
the other one is like the Buddy Club one... has ground wires connecter on the devices.
the one without ground wire is about 35% cheaper then the one has it.

[aaronng]

Thank you so much for the info Peekay!

After installation, do you still find your headlights dimming when the AC compressor kicks in?

[euro77]

learner, where did you ground the 3 cables? can you show me the location of the 3 grounding points?

[learner]

learner, where did you ground the 3 cables? can you show me the location of the 3 grounding points?

i will take some pic tmr show you where i connect them :D

[learner]

learner, where did you ground the 3 cables? can you show me the location of the 3 grounding points?

euro77... here you are (just got my CAI installed last week :D )

i place the condenser to the battary cover like Peekay34 did.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~tommi/ozHonda/BuddyClub/BC01.jpg

this is one of the best place to connect the ground wire. (i found it in the owner's manual) is on the driver's side next to the air-con... you will see a thick silver cable connect from engine to the chassis.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~tommi/ozHonda/BuddyClub/BC06.jpg
http://members.iinet.net.au/~tommi/ozHonda/BuddyClub/BC07.jpg
P.S. the longest Buddy Club cable will not be long enough to get u there if u place the condenser where i put it. so i got 8ft 4 Gauge Phoenix Gold Power cable for tat. here is da link of the cable... is blue as well
http://www.sfxaudio.com/products/dispItem.asp?ProdId=61001

here is how i run through the cable.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~tommi/ozHonda/BuddyClub/BC04.jpg
http://members.iinet.net.au/~tommi/ozHonda/BuddyClub/BC05.jpg

the second place is under the air-intake box. you have to take tat off to see tat place. there you will see a thick silver cable (like above) connect to the chassis. if u not sure how to take tat the box off.. pm me
http://members.iinet.net.au/~tommi/ozHonda/BuddyClub/BC02.jpg
http://members.iinet.net.au/~tommi/ozHonda/BuddyClub/BC03.jpg

and about the third ground ... i am still looking for a good place...
i just screw it to here at the moment.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~tommi/ozHonda/BuddyClub/BC04-2.jpg

i saw FEEL's(japan) tight the ground cable to the engine near the intake part on their euro.
i dunno i should do tat or not since i am not a prorssional, i am afraid to un-tight any bolt on the engine..... :o
http://www.hondatwincam.co.jp/info/CL7/battery-001.jpg
here is their page
http://www.hondatwincam.co.jp/info/temp2003-05-000.html

good luck & have fun...
post it if u had any different idea. :)

[LOC888]

looks so much tidier than b4...looks great

[learner]

looks so much tidier than b4...looks great

thx john... but all the WIRESSSS....... still :(
thinking of a good way to run all the wires. any suggestion guys?

[euro77]

I wonder if someone in the audio section can recommend how to tidy it up :D

[EuroAccord13]

Yeah... Tidying up... Not from using Blue Sticky Tape :P :P :P :P

[euro77]

thanks for the pictures.. it gives me a good idea how to do it now. just a few more questions:
- regarding where you mount the cable, it seems you connected it to the engine, not to the chasis. Shouldn't it be connected to the chasis instead, or would it make no difference? my understanding is that if you connect it to the engine, you are still grounding it through the factory cable, which basically void the original purpose.
- regarding attaching the cables to the battery, should I undo the negative first or the positive first. I think looking at the manual (can't read it, it's in japanese :D) the negative is undone first.

[learner]

thanks for the pictures.. it gives me a good idea how to do it now. just a few more questions:
- regarding where you mount the cable, it seems you connected it to the engine, not to the chasis. Shouldn't it be connected to the chasis instead, or would it make no difference? my understanding is that if you connect it to the engine, you are still grounding it through the factory cable, which basically void the original purpose.
- regarding attaching the cables to the battery, should I undo the negative first or the positive first. I think looking at the manual (can't read it, it's in japanese :D) the negative is undone first.

for the first question - i have tried connect the ground cable to both top(engine) and bottom(chasis) (i am talkin about the one on drive's side),
and i feel tat it is better connect it at the top bolt(engine). (have less pulsating feeling through the accelerator when the air-con is on)

second question - i tried to connect the (-) first at the frist time install, then i connect the (+).. there will be little spark when u connect the (+).
and the second time when i connect it (cos remove position) i connect (+) first then connect the (-). is better in this way (i think)....
btw... i have tried connect all the three ground wire first then i connect the (+) wire... then the thing is ON even the (-) not connected.

[euro77]

thanks learner.

Yeah, the spark happens as well when I changed my battery, connected the negative first, then positive, and wow... a bit of spark and smoke LOL
this time i'll do the positive first :)

[will_pop]

This my version installed on my car it is a Pivot Unit. Smaller and I think looks tidier..(my opinion) but they do the same thing.
i've got the raizin one too ... the pivot raizin .. kekeke same as urs... wif ground wire...

[ViHatcher]

Learner,
Where did you get it? I might go for one as well....

[learner]

Learner,
Where did you get it? I might go for one as well....

i got it from overseas...
read last page... someone found it for sale at ebay...
or ask euro77... he just got it..

[euro77]

got it from ebay.

[aaronng]

The seller is "vertexracing", from the US.

[X8TEENX]

How much for that RACING SPEC CONDENSER cost and is it really get a increasing of performance?? looks very nice.. man..

[X8TEENX]

are you buy from ebays?? they can post to aus?? or can buy from local??thx

[euro77]

I can only find this item from US seller. They do send to Aus, and that include insurance. I can't remember exactly how much, but probably around 20-30 USD.

In terms of increasing performance, I can't tell cause I didn't do any dyno before and after. But I can feel the acceleration is smoother, and when I turned my air con on, the kick on the throtle pedal is not so violent. The car even turns off smoother!

[yfin]

i was looking about the branded head+catback for my euro, actually i was living at perth. is it have any this kind of things at there??

Please start a new thread - as this has nothing to do with the condenser. Can you also please clarify your question.
Thanks

[stephen8512]

I just installed my PIVOT RAIZIN volt stabilizer.....but i have yet to install the other grouund wires that came with it. i just installed the main unit....
can someone help me on where i should connect the other wires to? because i had a look at the instructions that came with the unit and im not too sure......

[euro77]

there are 2 grounding points, 1 on the left (underneath air box, you need to remove your air box), and the other on the right (you should be able to see a thick silver wire from your engine to the body, that's your other grounding position). How many grounding does Pivot Raizin have?

[stephen8512]

it has 3 grounding

[euro77]

put the other one to the bolt that touches the body. I put my 3rd one on one of the fuse box's bolt.

[stephen8512]

euro77, can u take some pics of ur engine bay? and the various locations where u grounded the wires? much appreciated mate :thumbsup:

[hnm738]

with the razin unit.... whats the advantage of having more ground wire?

[viperx]

hmm i've always been interested in this thing but never gotten around to look at it properly. i went and asked my dad the other day what this thing is (he is a electronics engineer) and he said it's most likely just marketing and placebo effect, because capacitors, even ones of polypropylene, are not very good at ironing out rapid voltage fluctuations that tend to occur in cars (with the exception of subwoofers and the such), a 1 farad capacitor doesn't store enough charge to last more than a few seconds anyway.

So has anyone actually dynoed their car before or after for some objective evidence, or has anyone else here got the qualifications to tell me what's really going on? i'd really be interested to know. thanks

[aaronng]

I think originally it was meant for use with high power car audio systems. And recently, car manufacturers have been underspeccing the alternator/battery. Even my interior map lights dim considerably for a second when my AC kicks in. I have not seen anything like this, even in a crappy proton.

[jl88rl]

I wonder how can just a few more wires connected to a earth element make a car run smoother and better? Just seems odd... can someone pls explain?

[aaronng]

Electrical systems work by moving electrons from a higher voltage point to a lower voltage point. Current is how fast it is moving. When the ground is not always 0V, the current will be lower. Hence electrical systems won't work at peak specifications. Electrical systems such as your fuel injectors. Fuel injectors won't wait for the perfect current. When fuel is required, it is sprayed. If the current is lower, then the injector spray pressure will be lower, hence less atomisation. It's only a small difference. You can feel that it is smoother, but I don't think you can feel that better grounding has made your engine produce more power.

I'm more interested in the capacitors. I hate it when my lights dim. I have been told that higher specced batteries fix the dimming problem. Optima batteries.... drool..

[PERTH_EURO]

I have a cap and an Orbital Battery, running 3 amps at full tilt causes no dims at all.

[kitbkk]

just had the buddy club condenser installed yesterday.. the engine runs smoother but yeah like someone said there is no horsepower gain from this. Im just wondering dose the LED light of the condenser goes off when you turn the car off? or is the LED is on all the time? coz mine has LED on all da time....

[kitbkk]

anyone with a heart?? please

[DC5TYPER]

just had the buddy club condenser installed yesterday.. the engine runs smoother but yeah like someone said there is no horsepower gain from this. Im just wondering dose the LED light of the condenser goes off when you turn the car off? or is the LED is on all the time? coz mine has LED on all da time....

It always stays on. Because it's connected straight to battery power! :cool:

I've installed it into my DC5R. I'll put some pics on soon. Looks neat :D :thumbsup:

[^CarBoy^]

I just bought one today from JDMYARD and does anyone installed one of this into a Jazz before?