brake upgrade (yes another one)

[viinnh]

okay guys ive searched around and asked around and im getting mixed answers.

info below is afaik
i have a honda civic eg GL, has rear drums and afaik its 242 front disc ? i want to upgrade to dc2 vtir disc brakes front and rear and afaik its 262 ?
okay what i want to know now is :
1. do i need to change my bb/bmc ?
2. do i need to change my prop valve
3. seeing as its a eg 2 dr hatch and a dc2 is a 2 dr coupe would i be able to use the hand brake lines ?

also how much would a dc2 vtir brake package go for ?
-rear trailing arm, caliper, disc, hand brake line etc
-front hub, knuckles everything at the front for the front brakes ?

and i again i know this is covered but im getting mixed info.

[chauster]

1. no, but its advised you do for better stopping power.
2. no
3. measure your existing lines. if its a little off it will be ok.

vtir brake setup about 500$

[viinnh]

1. no, but its advised you do for better stopping power.
2. no
3. measure your existing lines. if its a little off it will be ok.

vtir brake setup about 500$

thank you , rep to you sir

i was thinking of converting brakes in a few weeks time and do a b series next year and change the bb/bmc
also ive never upgraded brakes before or even change pads. let say i bought a vtir brake package and the disc and pads airnt that good,
what disc and pad would you recommend for the front and rear ? some thing bang for buck ?

also what size disc is dc2 vtir rear, ek vtir rear and eg vti rear ?

[chauster]

anything slotted is ok. RDA DBA. best bang for buck probably from the states.

Cant remember size off by heart. try google or look through ozhonda.

[quangsuke]

size is 262mm rotors for the front. should efficient stopping power.

hunt around for a whole setup for vtir.

my suggestion is wait till a wreck comes up with donor parts. this way u will have everything all at once nice and easy for u.
Engine, Gear Box, upgraded brakes, Lines, master cylinder etc. plus some other parts u might be able to salvage off. saves the headache too of searching for specific parts.

its always good to upgrade your BMC to accomodate your new brakes.


P.S drums arent that bad used them even on the track.

[viinnh]

anything slotted is ok. RDA DBA. best bang for buck probably from the states.

Cant remember size off by heart. try google or look through ozhonda.

ahh okay cheers mate

been googling for a few hrs cannot find :(


size is 262mm rotors for the front. should efficient stopping power.

hunt around for a whole setup for vtir.

my suggestion is wait till a wreck comes up with donor parts. this way u will have everything all at once nice and easy for u.
Engine, Gear Box, upgraded brakes, Lines, master cylinder etc. plus some other parts u might be able to salvage off. saves the headache too of searching for specific parts.

its always good to upgrade your BMC to accomodate your new brakes.


P.S drums arent that bad used them even on the track.

i saw this , this is the reason why i searched more into it
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?157368-wrecking-96-dc2-vtir
im after the brake set up seems like the front has slotted disc ?

and yeah just wanted to upgrade brakes for now then change the bb/bmc when i do my engine bay

plus im after a b16 atm because im not really after a b18 due to engineeer cert. 1.5l to 1.8l

[phwoaaa]

do it right the first time remember!
measure disc and check pads
make sure the ball joints at the front arnt worn or leaking
check rear trailing arm bushes for splits
check if wheel bearings arnt making any noise


as these parts can cost alot of moeny all up you can save alot of money and labour doing it before it goes in the car

[mocchi]

okay guys ive searched around and asked around and im getting mixed answers.

info below is afaik
i have a honda civic eg GL, has rear drums and afaik its 242 front disc ? idk but it's def. smaller than 262.
i want to upgrade to dc2 vtir disc brakes front and rear and afaik its 262 ? front 262, rear is not 262 most likely 242.

okay what i want to know now is :
1. do i need to change my bb/bmc ? best to change, firmer pedal feel.
2. do i need to change my prop valve ? YES without proper prop valve, drum brakes work better.
3. seeing as its a eg 2 dr hatch and a dc2 is a 2 dr coupe would i be able to use the hand brake lines ? YES

also how much would a dc2 vtir brake package go for ? bucket of chups n' gravy
-rear trailing arm, caliper, disc, hand brake line etc
-front hub, knuckles everything at the front for the front brakes ? what is the question?

and i again i know this is covered but im getting mixed info.

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[shepparton]

to safe your hassle this is what i m using on my egh22 atm
1. accord or prelude brake booster (it should handle more than enough 262 brake size and 282 )
2. stock eg gl prop (its better if you upgrade but i never had problem using stock eg gl)
3. find rear brake conversion of eg vti or si and ek vtir front if you get confuse using integra one

ek vtir front brake - 150-200
eg rear brake -150
bb prelude or accord - roughly 50bucks from wrecker

optional
front brake pad - acre super fighter 175 (from jdmyard, it works really good)
rear pad - any (dw too much if you are on budget) 50 bucks

[liberx]

You should change the prop valve when you go rear disc - as the pressures required for disc are quite different from drums.

[na-118]

yo charles,,, change your bmc is 15/16, rear disc brake conversion from eg or ek all the same,,

you will need disc brake hand brake lines

262mm is vtir,, or you can opt for 4 stud prelude or itr front setup for same amount of dosh!

[Wru]

Speaking of which, is a 1 inch master cylinder worth the upgrade over a 15/16?
Currently have 6 pots on the front and prelude brakes on the back.
Thinking I should also look into a 30/40 prop valve.

[Aleksa]

I done this a couple of days ago, used dc2 vtir rear brake assembly and put it into an eg, hand break lines from the integra were a perfect match for the eg and everything else is straight forward swap. Buuuuttttt... never changed the prop valve or master cylinder (may explain my not so flash braking). Does the bmc from a dc2 fit on an eg bb? Guess I'll be scouring the wreckers soon...

[vtecing]

Yes I got one on mine, fits straight on

[Aleksa]

Thanks for the quick reply, will try it out as soon as i find the parts...

[Marc_EE9]

Speaking of which, is a 1 inch master cylinder worth the upgrade over a 15/16?
Currently have 6 pots on the front and prelude brakes on the back.
Thinking I should also look into a 30/40 prop valve.

Yes! even 1/16th makes all the difference. only worth it if upgrading fronts to 282mm or bigger and rears 260mm or more

[Wru]

Yeah I got 282 with 6 pots on the front and 242 with single pots on the back (pretty sure they are single anyways).

Will track down a type r booster and master cylinder and will pick up a prop valve too.

[Marc_EE9]

They can be had off the Civic 1.8 VTi-S too (MB6, B18C4) and Accord Type-R (CD7?, H22), not sure if you guys get those in Australia.

[Wru]

That would be an EK series by the sounds of things right?

[Marc_EE9]

the MB6? yeh sort of. its a 5dr version, but its a Rover chassis I think. has a lot of Rover trim/panels on it anyway.

also come with an S9B LSD gearbox as standard and 282/262 brakes.


http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2266/bought2dy7.jpg

[hondapop]

Yeah I got 282 with 6 pots on the front

When you say they're a 6 pot, do you mean each caliper's got 6 pistons ?

[trism]

That's what it means.

[JPR28610]

6 pistons each? Pretty crazy. What caliper do you have? And what's it worth?

[hondapop]

6 pistons each? Pretty crazy. What caliper do you have? And what's it worth?

Beat me to it. I thought 4 was pretty big, these must cover 1/2 the disc.

[trism]

Not sure how serious you guys are, but they're pretty common :/

And you can buy 8 piston calipers as well.

[hondapop]

Common to Ferrari etc maybe, but to Honda's and the like, I doubt it (though prepared to stand corrected) and no, I personally am not serious but others may be.

[Wru]

6 Pistons each caliper... at a time I was running 8 with 328mm rotors but found this was overkill and required 17 inch wheels so it sucked.

[JPR28610]

never knew 6 or more pistoned calipers for hondas existed. i mean heavy 4wds usually have 4 pistons....

[Marc_EE9]

6pots will be 6 small pistons, 3 on each side.

twin pots from a NSX/Legend calipers would be good. or the EP3 300mm setup is getting quite popular. getting more popular here in the UK.

its shame you dont get MG's, as the 282/262 setup bolt straight on to Honda hubs

[trism]

282 won't fit under 15" wheels but.

Dc2r calipers are single piston?

Might need to look into the twin piston from the legend. What size rotors do they use?

Other option is to go aftermarket and run something like a wilwood 4 pot caliper. They're a fairly small caliper.

[Marc_EE9]

yeh 282's will fit under 15", only Oz and Mugen wheels they don't, or thats all ive come across that dont so far.

the Legend uses 282 discs, its on the V6 model(s) ;)

[lil_foy]

282 won't fit under 15" wheels but.

Dc2r calipers are single piston?

Might need to look into the twin piston from the legend. What size rotors do they use?

Other option is to go aftermarket and run something like a wilwood 4 pot caliper. They're a fairly small caliper.


Ahhh 282 does fit under 15"... even 3piece stepped lip 15"

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/395416_10151099935995580_602805579_22261961_931383 913_n.jpg

ps; it clears the wheel fine, few mm of clearance around.

[Wru]

never knew 6 or more pistoned calipers for hondas existed. i mean heavy 4wds usually have 4 pistons....
They aren't OEM honda brakes they are aftermarkets.

[trism]

Ahhh 282 does fit under 15"... even 3piece stepped lip 15"

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/395416_10151099935995580_602805579_22261961_931383 913_n.jpg

ps; it clears the wheel fine, few mm of clearance around.


Nice, was just going off other info.

What calipers are those?

[hondapop]

6pots will be 6 small pistons, 3 on each side.

its shame you dont get MG's, as the 282/262 setup bolt straight on to Honda hubs

Actually I'd forgotten all about the calipers with opposing pistons, probably because of their lack of use on the average car. (last time I remember taking much notice was back in the 50's when Jaguar introduced disc brakes on their LeMans winning "D" types). The main reason for not using them on production cars was because they are necessarily wider and require + offset wheels even on RWDrives, or at least they did back then when rims were skinny and their use on FWD was impractical even more so.

How do you get on with lateral clearances now, just increase the offset to compensate?

We did get the last model MG's here (even had a race series for them), maybe they pinched the brakes from Honda (wouldn't be surprised considering the Rover/Honda connection)

[Marc_EE9]

The Rover calipers are slightly different, and made by different companies (Lucas/Girling). The pads they take are also a few CM's shorter, but still practically the same size. The 282 setup was found on the ZR hatch 1.8VVC and the ZS saloon 2.5 V6.

The Prelude ones (and Accord IIRC) need machining on the carriers so they line up to the discs, by 2mm or 3mm. You can use Rover 600 series (pre 2000) discs with them, or get Prelude/Accord ones redrilled, but the MG setup is straight forward bolt on, just get matching discs and pads, no faffing around.

[hondapop]

Actually there was a damaged (hail) MG on ebay about a month ago,(bloke had bought it for his GF but she no longer wanted it as it wasn't "pristine" any more). Sold for AU$15000 or so. A bit expensive for donor brakes haha.

[Marc_EE9]

how much!!!??? thats how much they were new, in the UK anyway.

these cars are worth nothing in the UK now due to MG's demise. the top model 3dr can be had for under £2000 ($3000AUD), and is a lot of car for the money. the 1.8VVC engines are very well built and produce great power. I had one a few years ago but sold it as the interior trims/electrics kept on breaking

mate of mine who lives in Melbourne says the MG's are quite sort after in Aus?

[lil_foy]

Nice, was just going off other info.

What calipers are those?
Dc2r calipers

Stock dc2'rs run 15" stock remember.