I think the throw out bearing on my gearbox is on it's way out

[EG52NV]

Can anyone recommend a place who will pull gearbox off inspect, and replace what ever that needs replacing for a decent price? Was quoted a starting price of $650 with GPC.

Can't really afford it ATM coz car is already at GPC getting HG done and thats min $550.

[Bludger]

If you pull it off, reco everything.....

if you can't afford it, drive it till it breaks, then fix it.

[bennjamin]

throw out bearing isnt in your gearbox - its the bearing located in the clutch housing , depresses the clutch pressure plate in n out. Its also known as a release bearing.

Is it this ? Or something else (like input shaft bearing) ?

[EG52NV]

Benny, car makes weird noises when I depress the clutch or leave it in neutral after a short drive.

Another thing is when I start the car from cold put it in first accelerate and when I take my foot off the acc and let the gears do the work the tranny seems to be noisy as hell..

So what you people reckon my problem is? YouTube vids about how clutch works do not seem to indicate my symptoms are throw out bearing related.

I just spent an hour on YouTube and I reckon of it's to do with clutch I should be able to do the complete clutch change myself plus a mate to help lift gb back in place. new pilot bearing, throw out bearing, flywheel, pressure plate and friction material amazing what you can learn on YouTube.

[bennjamin]

id say more likely input shaft bearing - common to fail on D and B series boxes , the small casing fails and puts metal crap thru the gearbox. Can give a light grind noise at idle or driving - disappears when you press the clutch in. (as in transmission stops moving)
Gets louder as it fails and falls apart , can make a terrible grind/whine as you accelerate.

[GSi_PSi]

if you leave it till it breaks, it will rape your gears... i left it and my 1st gear blew... had to drive on the other gears and sounded like they were on there way out too

[mugen_ctr]

sorry to hijack thread...ok guys i have those exact symptoms described, the loud whine is definite there when im in first gear, but when i press the clutch or leave it rolling not in gear the whine is gone.... should i be worried at this point? :S

Im gonna replace my clutch soon as well, so before i go ahead, whats needed to get rid of the noise indefinite, cheers :)

[GSi_PSi]

^ your isb is gone.. sounds the same as mine, clutch in and rolling no sounds,

[mugen_ctr]

awww man, im not liking the sound of that... reading a diy atm, dont think ill even attempt doing it LOL

any guess as to how much it will cost to just replace the isb? im guessing around the 500 mark alone?? :(

[GSi_PSi]

just swap the gearbox dude, i picked up a b16a gearbox for 300 after much trolling and lowballing lol im sure you can find it much cheaper on a d series.

[mugen_ctr]

yeah my mate done exactly what u done, replaced the whole gear box, but what if it same problem comes up again is what worries me :S

But anything 2nd hand is a gamble lol...

[EG52NV]

Is the isb the one attached to the flywheel and at the very end of the input shaft? Or is it in the gearbox?

[mugen_ctr]

Is the isb the one attached to the flywheel and at the very end of the input shaft? Or is it in the gearbox?

isb (input shaft bearing) is the thing that the input shaft spins on, kinda hard to explain without pictures lol. Seems its a common problem on alot of older cars.

To replace it, well on my engine/gearbox, d16, i will have to take apart the gb, than pull apart the housing to access and remove the bearing itself which is a big task in its own right, but not something that cannot be done if u have some mechanical knowledge and patient. If i cannot find a replacement gearbox, for a low price, than im gonna end up on replacing the actual bearing itself as opposed to replacing it with another gb for 2 reasons. 1. The problem will most likely arise again with another 2nd hand gb. and 2, my gearbox is harder to come by, an newer so odds are its still gonna cost the same as replacing the bearing itself if i was to pay a shop to do it.

[mocchi]

isb (input shaft bearing) is the thing that the input shaft spins on, kinda hard to explain without pictures lol. Seems its a common problem on alot of older cars.

To replace it, well on my engine/gearbox, d16, i will have to take apart the gb, than pull apart the housing to access and remove the bearing itself which is a big task in its own right, but not something that cannot be done if u have some mechanical knowledge and patient. If i cannot find a replacement gearbox, for a low price, than im gonna end up on replacing the actual bearing itself as opposed to replacing it with another gb for 2 reasons. 1. The problem will most likely arise again with another 2nd hand gb. and 2, my gearbox is harder to come by, an newer so odds are its still gonna cost the same as replacing the bearing itself if i was to pay a shop to do it.

to remove the bearing is not a big task. just light tap with mallet using screw driver.
pushing it back in also use mallet, light taps on outer race.

the one attached to flywheel is pilot bearing. not mainshaft bearing/ISB.

[EG52NV]

to remove the bearing is not a big task. just light tap with mallet using screw driver.
pushing it back in also use mallet, light taps on outer race.

the one attached to flywheel is pilot bearing. not mainshaft bearing/ISB.

Yeah after I read it a few times all the different types of bearings seems to make sense...

[mugen_ctr]

to remove the bearing is not a big task. just light tap with mallet using screw driver.
pushing it back in also use mallet, light taps on outer race.

the one attached to flywheel is pilot bearing. not mainshaft bearing/ISB.

cool cool, ill have to remember that one, pilot bearing lol....

When it comes to buying the bearing do i just go to honda an order it through or best to go to a ball bearing specialist?

[bennjamin]

Just go to Honda . Note they often will take time to order in.

IF you have time to drop the box open urself - I would take out the old bearing/a , note the serials and go to a bearing supplier and order them in. Honda IS exactly the same but more expensive

[mocchi]

Just go to Honda . Note they often will take time to order in.

IF you have time to drop the box open urself - I would take out the old bearing/a , note the serials and go to a bearing supplier and order them in. Honda IS exactly the same but more expensive

fuarking listen to this guy. i recently had same exact experience.

bought oem lsd bearing from honda US for $50, realised that i need another one so i called honda AU
they want $120+gst ea.























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so i went to 'bearing wholesalers' (thats the actual shop name) and they got one same specs for $20.
same enclosed bearing made in japan.

[mugen_ctr]

farrrkkk that LOL, sounds like bearing place is the only way to buy it hahahhaha, will start pulling the box out this coming wed an let ya know how things go :)

[Alexplicit]

i actually made a thread a while back for the supplier of this bearing in aus. worked out really cheap too :) i got Bennjamin to do mine for me, i highly reccomend him to any one, however you are in vic :(

[Limbo]

doesn't matter what you do your gonna be up for the labour of pulling the box out and putting it in.
Don't cut corners, or you'll end up puling the box out twice.
The most expensive part of doing a clutch etc is pulling the box out.

if your only reading youtube i'd recommend you stay away from doing the clutch unless you have someone who knows what they are doing with you.
I've done 3 boxes, on different type of cars. Basically the same on most cars.
BUT Its a dirty job and i actually get other people to do it nowadays rather than doing it myself.

[EG52NV]

Yeah bens offered his charming assistance, just waiting to get car back from GPC after HG change.

[TheSaint]

Benny, car makes weird noises when I depress the clutch or leave it in neutral after a short drive.

Another thing is when I start the car from cold put it in first accelerate and when I take my foot off the acc and let the gears do the work the tranny seems to be noisy as hell..

So what you people reckon my problem is? YouTube vids about how clutch works do not seem to indicate my symptoms are throw out bearing related.

I just spent an hour on YouTube and I reckon of it's to do with clutch I should be able to do the complete clutch change myself plus a mate to help lift gb back in place. new pilot bearing, throw out bearing, flywheel, pressure plate and friction material amazing what you can learn on YouTube.

has this same problem last year with my D15b7 box - i left it until it got worse and i could save up some money
went to a wrecker and bought myself a JDM D15b box (S20 B000) - the one with the better ratios - for $600
than jumped on ebay america and got myself an exedy/daiken O.E. Clutch kit with exedy 10lbs flywheel for $200
paid my mate whos a mechanic a couple of hundred to swap it all out on his hoist with new fluids and new drain bolt etc

car runs like a dream now
saved me a lot of headaches with part numbers and trying to recon etc

[IV73CI]

yeh dude ...your ISB or they call it the Main Bearings (3 of them) are goneskies..

had the same problem with my B gbox ..

took it to Hanis for a quote to replace all 3 bearings only was 650 drive in and drive out.

so i said ill shop round for a 2nd hand ...and there was 1 but they were asking 600 for it ...so i said fk dat shit (FDS)

shopped around for a rebuild/reco box.. one place was asking 1k ..FDS again ..and rang outside of NSW and got a FULLY RECO box ...all synchros, bearings, seals, new ...got it for 650 delivered to my door.

funny thing is my box seems or might have LSD which they had no idea of. lol ...bonus for me.

now my old box is sitting in the parts room collecting dust. but i think ill get the 3 bearings replaced and use it for spare as there was no other problems.


unfortunately bro...there is no other way around it you'd be spending at least 500+ incl labour costs etc.

but i would not recommend a 2nd hand box unless u knw who the previous driver was ..you just dont know the condition of it.

my 2cents yo!

[Benson]

Definately Input shaft bearing. It'll require the gearbox to be removed and open up. Very least all parts will need to be cleaned due to input shaft bearing failure.

Give us a call at HRC Automotive - Ph: (02) 9757 4757 for a quote. :)

http://www.hrcautomotive.com.au/home.html

[mugen_ctr]

bad bad news, besides the isb which had 3 missing bearings, 2 more other bearings were on there last leg, syncros gone and the final drive bearing gone >_<

all up, it was gonna cost around 900 minimum!!!

So im out with no gearbox and no car lol..... fml....

[GSi_PSi]

Go B series... if you search hard enough can pick up b18c2 for like $1500-2000

[mocchi]

bad bad news, besides the isb which had 3 missing bearings, 2 more other bearings were on there last leg, syncros gone and the final drive bearing gone >_<

all up, it was gonna cost around 900 minimum!!!

So im out with no gearbox and no car lol..... fml....

what synchros? 4-5 usually never worn unless some really hard gear mashing is frequent.
1 gearset usually cost $300+ from honda US.

cheapest option is get second hand gearbox.
edit: just realised you bought another D gbox haha. yeah cheapest and quickest way.
good luck!

[EG52NV]

I'm sitting around twilling my thumbs waiting for my isb to arrive at Honda, fcuk this BS where you have to pay before they order the parts in!

[mocchi]

I'm sitting around twilling my thumbs waiting for my isb to arrive at Honda, fcuk this BS where you have to pay before they order the parts in!

too many timewasters man haha.
why didnt you check out local bearing shop? as long as you have dimension and type, they can match it for you.
made in japan too. Koyo/NTN/etc

google for part number and when you punch it in oemacuraparts.com, it will give dimension.

1/3rd price and no wait for same brand. coles.

[EG52NV]

91002-ps1-003 BEARING, BALL (28X60X15)
91216-ph8-005 OIL SEAL (28X41X7) (NOK)

just call CBC and ABC bearings and no one have these sizes WTF!

[IV73CI]

91002-ps1-003 BEARING, BALL (28X60X15)
91216-ph8-005 OIL SEAL (28X41X7) (NOK)

just call CBC and ABC bearings and no one have these sizes WTF!

or you can get really good quality Japan made Nachi bearings! .. :)

they have a branch in Australia and i believe in sydney too.

[EG52NV]

So people can confirm they've purchased after market mainshaft bearings before?

Am I the only one who can't seem to source them even with the dimensions?!

Have call 2 major bearing suppliers who have both said I need to go genuine even after I gave them the dimensions!

Some after market part numbers world be nice...

[mugen_ctr]

Go B series... if you search hard enough can pick up b18c2 for like $1500-2000

Not everyone has access to that amount of dough in a short amount of time, and especially if ur cars a daily, an u need a quick fix, its not gonna happen either way, lol, but i wished i had money to do the swap :)


what synchros? 4-5 usually never worn unless some really hard gear mashing is frequent.
1 gearset usually cost $300+ from honda US.

cheapest option is get second hand gearbox.
edit: just realised you bought another D gbox haha. yeah cheapest and quickest way.
good luck!

From what i was told, apparently the honda syncros alone are expensive, than factor in also other small bits in peices and than also the other bearings, than ontop of that labor to strip apart the gearbox and gears and put it back together... starts adding up nicely :(

$1500 was a full rebuild
$900 just to replace the sycros, and bearings


I'm sitting around twilling my thumbs waiting for my isb to arrive at Honda, fcuk this BS where you have to pay before they order the parts in!

Lucky my dealership had them instock and luckily the guy i spoke to was gonna offer me at trade prices ahahahhaah... but that wont be happening now..

[mugen_ctr]

So people can confirm they've purchased after market mainshaft bearings before?

Am I the only one who can't seem to source them even with the dimensions?!

Have call 2 major bearing suppliers who have both said I need to go genuine even after I gave them the dimensions!

Some after market part numbers world be nice...

If u can get em in trade prices, honda will prbs charge around 37 bucks, which was what i was offered, but that was trade prices.... but i cant imagine normal prices being that much difference, maybe 10 percent difference

[mocchi]

If u can get em in trade prices, honda will prbs charge around 37 bucks, which was what i was offered, but that was trade prices.... but i cant imagine normal prices being that much difference, maybe 10 percent difference

not 10%. 300-400%.
lsd enclosed bearing cost $30 or so honda US w/out shipping, honda AU charge $120+.