MWAKU
15-01-2012, 07:31 PM
Ok i just wanted to share a situation that happened, not to me, but to a friend
so theres three people, first person (A) is the original car owner, person (B) goes to buy the car, leaves a deposit, then gives a bank cheque, and takes possession of the car. but, the bank cheque, bounces, as its not a real cheque made from the bank but a frauded one. so person (A) then goes to RTA reporting the car, now as 'stolen'.
during this time, person (B) has taken fotos of the car personally himself the day he left the deposit, and quickly made a carsales ad when he got home. so during the period of him leaving the deposit and giving the bank cheque, which is roughly 5 days, person (C) -- which is my friend, goes to look at the car, likes what he sees, pays 30,000$ all in cash to person (B). during the purchase, revs check was completed, nothing came back, as person (A) hasn't probably realised the cheque doesn't work or whatever and hasn't reported it. fotos of persons (B) license is taken, but later to find out that the license is fake and person (B) took the foto of person (A)s license aswell, and mocked up another license card with persons (B) picture instead of persons (A)
i assume this crime is organised, as everything is well planned out. The name of person (A) is something hard to tell gender, like Hui or some other foreign name. So originally, lets say Hui is person A, is a female, and person B, now seems to be Hui, but is male. So what happens is that, person (C) meets person (B) at his 'girlfriends apartment', parked in a guest spot, in a residential housing area, (so theres a lot of houses) and they met in an underground carpark. Person (C) believes that all car buying precautions have been taken care of, and hands the cash over and takes the car.
Person (C) goes to RTA and they tell him the car is registered as stolen. Now, purchasing cars before hand, person C was never aware of this kind of crime, and never printed out a revs certificate or anything else. Just did a revs check and license check visually. Now person (C) takes it to court, and person (A) is also fighting for repossession of the car, at the end, the magistrate deems the car to be bought under say, 'sus' terms.
Person (C) is down 30 grand, person (B) takes off no where to be found, person (A) receieves the car back..
NOW, my question is, how would someone avoid this. I assume to print out a revs certificate for protection, but is that enough so that if this case doesnt occur, person (C) will be able to keep the car, rather then losing all his money? Are there any other checks that has regularly updated?
Because if person (B) and (A) have the same name, how do you figure it out that its stolen?
Please, no 'i think' or 'assumptions' just really want a clear cut answer from someone who actually knows what to do in this kind of situation.
Another precaution is obviously, to deal with the transaction at the RTA if ur in person (C)'s shoe, so when u transfer it over as u purchase, it will come off saying stolen or not. and if ur in persons (A) shoes, take the bank cheque to the bank during the transaction to see if it clears/works before you hand over the keys. but, easy as it sounds, its a hassle. and sometimes sellers don't prefer to wait in the RTA for their car to be sold.
So yeah, thoughts/advice/cautions?
so theres three people, first person (A) is the original car owner, person (B) goes to buy the car, leaves a deposit, then gives a bank cheque, and takes possession of the car. but, the bank cheque, bounces, as its not a real cheque made from the bank but a frauded one. so person (A) then goes to RTA reporting the car, now as 'stolen'.
during this time, person (B) has taken fotos of the car personally himself the day he left the deposit, and quickly made a carsales ad when he got home. so during the period of him leaving the deposit and giving the bank cheque, which is roughly 5 days, person (C) -- which is my friend, goes to look at the car, likes what he sees, pays 30,000$ all in cash to person (B). during the purchase, revs check was completed, nothing came back, as person (A) hasn't probably realised the cheque doesn't work or whatever and hasn't reported it. fotos of persons (B) license is taken, but later to find out that the license is fake and person (B) took the foto of person (A)s license aswell, and mocked up another license card with persons (B) picture instead of persons (A)
i assume this crime is organised, as everything is well planned out. The name of person (A) is something hard to tell gender, like Hui or some other foreign name. So originally, lets say Hui is person A, is a female, and person B, now seems to be Hui, but is male. So what happens is that, person (C) meets person (B) at his 'girlfriends apartment', parked in a guest spot, in a residential housing area, (so theres a lot of houses) and they met in an underground carpark. Person (C) believes that all car buying precautions have been taken care of, and hands the cash over and takes the car.
Person (C) goes to RTA and they tell him the car is registered as stolen. Now, purchasing cars before hand, person C was never aware of this kind of crime, and never printed out a revs certificate or anything else. Just did a revs check and license check visually. Now person (C) takes it to court, and person (A) is also fighting for repossession of the car, at the end, the magistrate deems the car to be bought under say, 'sus' terms.
Person (C) is down 30 grand, person (B) takes off no where to be found, person (A) receieves the car back..
NOW, my question is, how would someone avoid this. I assume to print out a revs certificate for protection, but is that enough so that if this case doesnt occur, person (C) will be able to keep the car, rather then losing all his money? Are there any other checks that has regularly updated?
Because if person (B) and (A) have the same name, how do you figure it out that its stolen?
Please, no 'i think' or 'assumptions' just really want a clear cut answer from someone who actually knows what to do in this kind of situation.
Another precaution is obviously, to deal with the transaction at the RTA if ur in person (C)'s shoe, so when u transfer it over as u purchase, it will come off saying stolen or not. and if ur in persons (A) shoes, take the bank cheque to the bank during the transaction to see if it clears/works before you hand over the keys. but, easy as it sounds, its a hassle. and sometimes sellers don't prefer to wait in the RTA for their car to be sold.
So yeah, thoughts/advice/cautions?