2012 Civic here in Australia

[95331140]

A bit of a sneak peak at what the 2012 Civic will look like when it arrives in March.

Interestingly, we don't get a different style of Civic to the USA version.

Pictures are on page 2 of the PDF.

Scored really well in the ANCAP test, which is great.

http://www.ancap.com.au/PDF.aspx?pdf=464

[leetie123]

pricing point is much better. the new honda australia CEO finally gets it.
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/53452/2012-honda-civic-sedan-australian-pricing-announced
but then again i LoL about CRZ

[95331140]

Cool, thanks for the link.
So it looks like you should be able to get the Sport on the road for 30K

If only we got the Si here...

[DuffyFD]

Looks like a Hyundai. Pff

[dougie_504]

Sigh. 114kw sport version in 2L. To think my '90 b16a pushes out a peak 118kw. I guess I really hoped for more balls in this variant.

Looks alright. Prices are good. Time will tell.

[DuffyFD]

And the weight too!

[rndy444]

Its look like hyundai+accord, for me 8th gen is better.

thanks for the link.

[ryaan]

why does it look like a hyundai when hyundai also copies other manufacturers? funnny

[Areis]

Lol wtf is that?

[didier]

mmm, looks great. gonna get one probs.

was planning to buy a new elantra elite (looks very similar, good features) but now that this is 2-3k cheaper than I expected will definately wait... only 1 month to go!

this has the great dyno blue colour - can see myself buying one.... :D Already had the latest hybrid civic, but now that's the wife's car...

[Fredoops]

The Official Site is UP!
http://civic.honda.com.au/civic-2012.aspx
http://civic.honda.com.au/assets/img_civic2012_exterior.jpg
http://civic.honda.com.au/assets/img_civic2012_int-view-1_thumb.jpg

The Front grill and rear lights look like a Honda City.........

oh the Specs:

VTi-L
Engine 1.8L i-VTEC engine (R18...)
104 kW @ 6500 rpm (up 1 kw, arrive 200rpm earlier)
174 Nm @ 4300 rpm (same, but arrive 100rpm later)

SPORT... AUTO only....
2.0L i-VTEC engine (K20...)
114 kW @ 6500 rpm (Same, but arrive 300rpm later)
190 Nm @ 4300 rpm (up 2nm, but arrive 100rpm later)

HYBRID
1.5L i-VTEC engine with Integrated Motor Assist (IMA)
82 kW @ 5500 rpm
172 Nm @ 1000-3500 rpm (Combined)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
yeah........
Looks like they didnt do anything to the engines except making the PS pump electric instead of hydrolic on the K20

[95331140]

Nice work Fredoops with the specs.

I'm looking forward to the 'Earth Dreams' motors when they come out. I hope they introduce them into the Civic, without making people wait for the next generation.

Honda can't make people wait for more advanced motors, especially when the competition is surging ahead...

Time will tell I guess.

[Fredoops]

Nice work Fredoops with the specs.

I'm looking forward to the 'Earth Dreams' motors when they come out. I hope they introduce them into the Civic, without making people wait for the next generation.

Honda can't make people wait for more advanced motors, especially when the competition is surging ahead...

Time will tell I guess.
They promised they'll improve the new civic after a ... lukewarm (read: disappointing) reception in the US.... I can now see why.

[Demanufacturer]

the coupe looks SEXY AS HELL but we arent getting it here in australia =( so lame.

[ekay1]

Its basically the 8th gen civic with an uglier makeover...... fail

[UNLS1]

i had the launch last monday, and have a detailed training session at honda tomorrow. I am reserving my opinion at this stage. TBH im not as excited as i was when the 8th came out.

I guess illl have to wait to drive it...

the new audio system and interface is my only fav part of the car.

[Philip Lee]

looks like there is no Civic on sale in Japan. so we are kinda stuck with the US version.

will we get the much better looking Europe hatches?

[curtis265]

hmmm...

http://ajround.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/40949974_vomiting416300.jpg

If they're US made will they be more expensive due to the extra freight than getting them from thailand?

and if it was designed and built int he US.. does that make it an american car rather than a japanese car?

[95331140]

looks like there is no Civic on sale in Japan.

The Civic Sedan was dropped from the Japanese market a little while ago. There wasn't enough demand there for it.

[UNLS1]

hmmm...

http://ajround.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/40949974_vomiting416300.jpg

If they're US made will they be more expensive due to the extra freight than getting them from thailand?

and if it was designed and built int he US.. does that make it an american car rather than a japanese car?

all the civics australia are getting for the time being are Japanese Built.

[Philip Lee]

The Civic Sedan was dropped from the Japanese market a little while ago. There wasn't enough demand there for it.

that's what i was saying. no more JDM Civic so we get the US style ones.

[HmGLuCaS]

i wouldn't personally buy the new civic, doesn't compare to the older civic models in styling. Cant get past the FD, EG, and EK styling. :D

[Swordie]

It's about time the new model arrived. The Civic is not what it was in the EG days (shame). This will not stop me from seriously considering the 9th Gen. I have an EG it's a great car, I need something modern (e.g. improved saftey). I've driven the 8th Gen Sport and VTI-L, the 2.0 didn't seem much of a jump over the 1.8 engine wise. At the time I had tested of the BMW 1 Series 120d. The BMW was a better car, I couldn't justify paying the extra, the 8th Gen stood up very well. The 9th Gen VT-L has a good spec for the price combined with Honda reliability and engineering. Have a look at Corolla and see what you get for the price.

[Sherweeeny]

all the civics australia are getting for the time being are Japanese Built.

So will there be a special order option to order the sport in manual?

Kinda defeats the purpose of calling it "sport" hey...

[UNLS1]

So will there be a special order option to order the sport in manual?

Kinda defeats the purpose of calling it "sport" hey...

There will be NO manual civic sport from Japan, have to wait for thailand....
we didnt really sell many civic sports in manual in the 8th gen anyways..

[Swordie]

Big price drop for the Sport. It will become much more attractive.

Shame the 2.4 litre motor didn't make it. IMO there's not a big enough difference between the 1.8 and 2.0. The 2.4 would be a major difference.

[Fredoops]

...The 9th Gen VT-L has a good spec for the price combined with Honda reliability and engineering. Have a look at Corolla and see what you get for the price.

or the lack of it, since it's almost identical as the previous gen

[threesix]

not that anyone on here care but WTF!?!... the hybrid is now a 1.5L but has the same power as the 2006 1.3L

confussing.

[Fredoops]

not that anyone on here care but WTF!?!... the hybrid is now a 1.5L but has the same power as the 2006 1.3L

confussing.
probably because of atkins cycle

[threesix]

not sure what you mean broseph...

[Fredoops]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/111122139189/honda-civic-set-for-early-facelift-in-2012

LOL civic facelift coming.... 12 mth after release................



not sure what you mean broseph...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atkinson_cycle
low pecific out put, but more efficient.

[threesix]

ahhhh i see.

2006 1.3L = claimed 4.6/100ks (which is total bullshit)

wonder what the 2012 HCH will be..

[Sherweeeny]

There will be NO manual civic sport from Japan, have to wait for thailand....
we didnt really sell many civic sports in manual in the 8th gen anyways..

That's a shame really as I don't want to replace my fd2 with an sp25 :(

[Fredoops]

That's a shame really as I don't want to replace my fd2 with an sp25 :(
Sp25? That's like Polo GTi money (minus the 12 mth queue). Anyway you won't be able to get them for much longer, they are being replaced by SP20 with skyactiv tech iirc. Else there is the new focus sport with a DI 2.0 litre which make more power than the sp25 2.5

[UNLS1]

18" wheel option for sports..
its actualy 30mm shorter than 8th gen, wheel base is a bit shorter, its easy to compare differences when u have the 8th gen next to the 9th gen. bonnet it longer, back is higher, better visability out the front A piller and supposed to drive worlds apart.

[Kay_lee]

Very dissapointed.... they shouldve made sport manual only.. like other manufactures

[95331140]

18" wheel option for sports..
its actualy 30mm shorter than 8th gen, wheel base is a bit shorter, its easy to compare differences when u have the 8th gen next to the 9th gen. bonnet it longer, back is higher, better visability out the front A piller and supposed to drive worlds apart.

Any other bits of news from your training? ;-)

[UNLS1]

Very dissapointed.... they shouldve made sport manual only.. like other manufactures

thank god they didnt as we would never sell any cars!

u can buy a type R if u want manual.

we sold hardly any sport manuals in the 8th gen and when we had one in stock it hung around for months so why would we want a manual only sport?

[UNLS1]

Any other bits of news from your training? ;-)

there is but cbf typing out lol brochures are now out in showrooms and specs on the honda site!

[sapook]

Can see the hyundai resemblance in this one. Me no likey.

[Mr.PT]

sport = no more DOHC went to ask today running on some 2.0L SOHC

[UNLS1]

sport = no more DOHC went to ask today running on some 2.0L SOHC

it has much better low down torque than DOCH and thats where the civic needs power.

[denot]

Very dissapointed.... they shouldve made sport manual only.. like other manufactures

Er... they did this already... with Type R! Lol!

3 years since last time I drove my Civic Sports (still seeing it sometimes being driven pass the Harbour Bridge) but I still feels that They should call The lineup: VTi, VTi-L and VTi-S. Dont use "Sport" just... "S" :p

[NZFD2]

strictly my opinion here but I think the exterior styling has taken a step back from the 8th Gen. The front has a similarity to the City (not in a good way) and the rear is horrible.

Interior looks OK from the pics but will need to have a sit on the car before I can comment more.

[DNYALL]

Yeh not a fan. The door lines are way too high :/

[Fredoops]

Sorry cant resist.

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/hondacity-03.jpg
+
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/0/870A2BD55E2C22DDCA2577E4007C5BE7/$file/Honda_Insight_VTi_large.jpg
+
http://www.dimensionsguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Hammer.jpg
=
http://civic.honda.com.au/assets/img_civic2012_exterior.jpg

[Philip Lee]

will we get the new UK Civic hatch?

[UNLS1]

yes we will! prob in the 3rd qtr of the year.

and we will have a few different varients and even maybe a new engine :D

[Box]

how much is the new civic going for 23k or something yeah?

[Swordie]

Keen to see the options list. For example can't see Sat Nav.

Also like to see more photos on Honda's web site.

[Philip Lee]

even maybe a new engine :D

A turbo one??

[UNLS1]

possibly a new oil burner one with 350+ Nm of torque!
finally some torque for a honda!

[Fredoops]

possibly a new oil burner one with 350+ Nm of torque!
finally some torque for a honda!

You meant this thing right? cause the 2.2L diesel unit got discontinued due to emissions.....
http://www.autocar.co.uk/www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/261214/

Lets see the figures:
88KW @ 4000rpm (not a misprint)
300NM @ 2000rpm

[riftan]

pricing point is much better. the new honda australia CEO finally gets it.
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/53452/2012-honda-civic-sedan-australian-pricing-announced
but then again i LoL about CRZ

I never like this car from day one I saw it. It is just uglier than current civic.
The only reason they do not sell VTI version and sell the VTI-L version with VTI price tag is not because the CEO heard us.......it is because he knows the car got bad rating in US and need some appeal. And what is that???? The price tag. But it is wise to market the VTI-L and not VTI. Because the new VTI is plain ugly. My perception to Honda has changed in the last few months quite a lot. The quality been reduced quite a lot in the past few years. And the after sales service is total deaf.

I am sure most of us already know that Honda is running an emergency project face lift for this model. So I am sure this new civic will short lived. Engine upgrade is possible I would say as they got hit quite a lot in US.

Currently I own Honda Jazz first gen and MY10 Civic VTI. And most probably will not buy Honda anymore. Please have a look my post about the trouble I have with my Civic.

[kiwitrains]

What no Sat Nav !!!!

[UNLS1]

we might get sat nav when production goes back to thailand.

this civic is much better built than USA version, the quality in US was the let down as well as a crappy drive. our civic will drive very differently from the USA one.

[roger_leong]

I've received the mail broucher from Honda. The sport model come with R20 (2.0 version of R18 hence cutting down the fuel consumption to 7.4 instead instead of 8.4 on previous sport mode) instead of K20

[didier]

can you elaborate on the handling please?

[roger_leong]

More cost cutting, the standard "body colored car door protector strips" on gen 8 civic is now an option on gen 9.
An interesting point is that we get rear double wishbones suspension (gen 8) as opposed of multi-link suspension offered in US. Pedal shift is available on both vti-l and sport (not sure about hybrid).

[threesix]

god car companies talk mad shit when it comes to fuel consumption. do they think people just drive down hills all day?

[ryaan]

god car companies talk mad shit when it comes to fuel consumption. Do they think people just drive down hills all day?

lol +1

[Fredoops]

I've received the mail broucher from Honda. The sport model come with R20 (2.0 version of R18 hence cutting down the fuel consumption to 7.4 instead instead of 8.4 on previous sport mode) instead of K20

Lol.... Really.....

[didier]

I'm just planning how I can get the dealers in perth to waive the dealer delivery ^^ dyno blue please!

[Stevil]

If the R20 motor is anything like the R18 we currently have, then 7.4l/100km would be plausibe. I regularly get 700-740km out of my 45 litres 1.8 VTi

[Swordie]

From the photos the interior looks good.

[pitiek]

Steve, how did you manage to get 700 with your Wakefield driving style?? LOL

Do you do mostly highway driving?

[Stevil]

All cruise control on the Hume with 98 ! Even with a good caning it still gives 10l/100km

[CrystalSkull]

Civic is a small car marketed as the car of the people, I expect it equipped with mandated safety, an excellent drive-train with excellent fuel efficiency, beyond this I'd be looking at Accord etc. :)

[mgnovenie]

So the Hybrid will be the most luxury model?

[pitiek]

I'm due for a second car for the missus when we welcome the new addition to our family in 7 months time..
Hopefully Honda is going to come up with a turbo diesel Odyssey by then...

[Fredoops]

LOL it does look like the R20A3 we have on the Civic Sport (off wiki)

R20A3
Found in:
2008- Honda Accord (CP1)
Displacement: 1,997 cc (121.9 cu in)
Compression: 10.5:1
Bore & stroke: 81.0 × 96.9 mm (3.19 × 3.81 in)
Power: 156 PS (115 kW; 154 bhp) @ 6,300 rpm
Torque: 19.3 kgf·m (189 N·m (139 ft·lbf)) @ 4,300 rpm

[L2R]

Hi guys.
I too was about to purchase a new Hyundai Elantra Elite (best price was $23,500) until I viewed a teaser ad for the new Civic (dam you tease ads).
Now I want one.
RRP $26,300. I will be paying cash.
What would be the bottom line figure that i should strive for from the dealer.
I have been informed that Honda dealers don't negotiate much from the RRP
Any advice welcome, Tx
L2R

[Stevil]

Considering Honda sales of late have been average I reckon you should be able to negotiate a coupla G's off the RRP, esp if you have cash, what state you in ?

[pitiek]

I was told by a mate of mine who works for a holden dealership in Sydney that the dealer makes more money if they can get their customer on a finance..
More commision from the lender..

[Fredoops]

I was told by a mate of mine who works for a holden dealership in Sydney that the dealer makes more money if they can get their customer on a finance..
More commision from the lender..

Correct. The dealer gets a cut of the interest, same goes to insurance.

[didier]

$23,500, I guess you mean manual? thats like $2,500 off if its white automatic.

I'm thinking waive dealer delivery of $1500 if lucky, otherwise just a few addons for free. They will push really hard in the sale that they're gonna be popular and limited, and maybe they will be - hard to say. but they certainly should have a massive load of stock on its way...

[L2R]

Tx for the replies guys.

The $23,500 was for an Elantra Elite, my choice of colour (non metallic) auto, on road. You reckon this is a good price didler? Compared to the Civic (features wise) more 'bang for your bucks'' for sure.

Stevil, I'm in Adelaide. For the Civic I was thinking about the same price as the Elantara ($23500) but, for them to throw in the 'reverse park assist', which I was told was approx $500.
Will I be laughed out of the office!
Yes, they are pushing hard, want me to sign up even before car arrives at dealership, which could be weeks away. Anybody knows when it will be viewable?

Tx

[denot]

The $23,500 was for an Elantra Elite, my choice of colour (non metallic) auto, on road. You reckon this is a good price didler? Compared to the Civic (features wise) more 'bang for your bucks'' for sure.

Elantra is a good car. My bro in law has one and it drives & looks good. Features is abundant, but build quality is a bit (note: just a bit) of a let down... Wait for the civic to comes out, test drive both car and see which one you like better.

Note that the dealer might be reluctant to give you discount on the civic since its a new model.

[didier]

i called honda burswood (perth - supposed to be our cheapest of our 3 honda dealers) and the manager tried to tell me 20 of 28 were already sold, before they were gonna arrive... lol likely BS.

That would mean perth is only gonna receive 100 cars to start with - as if... more like 1000... or am I wrong?

[ryaan]

since its coming out of japan, im not surprised if the civic will come in small numbers. this is the similar case atm with honda jazz vibes.

[clayton4115]

are these new civics made in Thailand or Japan ?

[Fredoops]

Japan ag the moment until Thailand factory is back in full capacity, iirc

[Fredoops]

*Update*
Drive's review of the new civic

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/first-drive-honda-civic-20120229-1u1ow.html

the comment section is comical.

[denot]

The moment you know that this car will not be as good as you thought...
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg715/scaled.php?server=715&filename=98241715.jpg&res=medium

[Fredoops]

Lol....

[chunky]

uk civic hatch looks gross imo

[Fredoops]

The people have spoken...

http://news.drive.com.au/polls/drive/is-honda-still-relevant-20120229-1u1qg.html#poll

[didier]

Driven the car twice now, auto vti-l - its much like the old car, slightly improved ride, but more or less the same. some parts more luxurious, some parts a bit cheapier.

the dash and i-mid is nice, but a bit novel maybe? The steering wheel and its controls are pretty beautiful, nice leather and rubber, and layout.

they are hard to get to drop price so far in perth, but a few hundred bucks seems easy so far. some say they almost all sold out, some say there plenty available...

the dealers will compete for me next week I think, or I'll just buy something cheaper... or wait... still undecided.

anyone got Q's? :D

[Fredoops]

^^^ if it feels the same then why do you bother?

[didier]

good Question... we'll see if I do ^^

[Swordie]

Saw new Civic yesterday. Styling is a step backwards. I think it will grow on me though. As they say don’t judge a book by it cover. Functionality wise its improved and safety hits the mark. The car is an incremental improvement, more a Gen 8.5 than 9.0. I’m ok with that. The car has the proven package underneath; Honda reliability, proven mechanicals and adequate performance. I will be looking soon to negotiate. There’s not much stock around.

If a new model comes out and it is a big step up from the Gen 9, I’ll consider it then. If you currently have a Gen 8 (with all airbags), you have to think hard is it worth the update.

I’ll aim to test both models in a couple of weeks. I don’t need leather and sunroof, so will probably look at a VTI-L. I think the Sport name should change. It is more a luxury model.

I’ve kept an eye on Gen 8 secondhand prices, for me it makes more sense to buy a Gen 9.

[euromax]

Sat in it yesterday on a test drive. I thought it looks and drive great. Coming from Japan is a big plus. This will be a solid seller. My daughter is getting the Dyno blue although I thought the red and graphite looks awesome too.

iPod integration is the best I've seen so far. Car drives beautifully and at 80kmh it feels refined, the suspension soaking up all bumps and undulations. Interior looks great too. Certainly better looking than Subaru Impreza interior.

[Fredoops]

Sat in it yesterday on a test drive. I thought it looks and drive great. Coming from Japan is a big plus. This will be a solid seller. My daughter is getting the Dyno blue although I thought the red and graphite looks awesome too.

iPod integration is the best I've seen so far. Car drives beautifully and at 80kmh it feels refined, the suspension soaking up all bumps and undulations. Interior looks great too. Certainly better looking than Subaru Impreza interior.

That's not much of a yard stick...

[euromax]

You are hard to please that's all I can say.

[ryaan]

anyone wna post some real life pics?

[L2R]

Bought one. VTi-L Auto. Urban Titanium. Dealer here in Adelaide gave me best trade-in on my 96 Celica with 370,000 K on the clock.
Change over price was what I appox ($250 over) wanted to pay. For that price they gave me rear park assist, car mat set & half tank petrol.
IMO the car looks refined and upmarket, 'classic' look. The quality finish you can see, both inside and out. Have not driven one as yet, will do next weekend. The VTi-L that I saw was still in the dealers workshop being prepared for the showroom. Take delivery on the 17th.
Regarding pricing, the dealer I went through charged me $1200 for pre-delivery. Out of curiosity I phoned another dealer to see what they charged.... $1600!
One question... what are your thoughts on having having 'door styling guards' on this new look Civic. Are they necessary, worthwhile, will it spoil the look?
Tx
L2R

[Fredoops]

We're getting the EUDM civic 1.6 turbo diesel hatchback later next year

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/straddling-the-great-diesel-divide-20120303-1u9bn.html

[Swordie]

iPod integration is the best I've seen so far.

I'm looking forward to trying this out.

[didier]

Bought one. VTi-L Auto. Urban Titanium. Dealer here in Adelaide gave me best trade-in on my 96 Celica with 370,000 K on the clock.
Change over price was what I appox ($250 over) wanted to pay. For that price they gave me rear park assist, car mat set & half tank petrol.
IMO the car looks refined and upmarket, 'classic' look. The quality finish you can see, both inside and out. Have not driven one as yet, will do next weekend. The VTi-L that I saw was still in the dealers workshop being prepared for the showroom. Take delivery on the 17th.
Regarding pricing, the dealer I went through charged me $1200 for pre-delivery. Out of curiosity I phoned another dealer to see what they charged.... $1600!
One question... what are your thoughts on having having 'door styling guards' on this new look Civic. Are they necessary, worthwhile, will it spoil the look?
Tx
L2R

door protectors... I also want them, but I'm not sure - they cost a few hundred bucks. I have them on my wife's hybrid, looks cool.

Did you get them to throw in rear park assist for free? what was the total discount they gave you then, disregarding your trade in?

[L2R]

Hi didler, seems we are on the same quest, I have come to the end of mine.
Originally was going to sell my car privately, too many hassles so I decided to trade in.
Most dealers offered $1500-$2000. Easiest way to explain is this... went to Honda dealer and said if I sign up now I want a Civic with rear park assist and mud flaps. They said no way on mud flaps but will give you extra $500 for trade in to cover park assist. So I would say $500 off RRP is doable (from my limited knowledge on how these things work). The only no cost options where the car mats and the petrol, but, I guess all dealers would do this. Also note what I said about dealer delivery - $400 difference between dealers.
Thanks for the positive comment on the door protectors, I was quoted $380 installed.
L2R

[didier]

did you have to submit an offer on their form and sign to get what you wanted, or did you just get it through verbal negotiations?

they seem a bit tight so far around perth, but will get the 3 dealers to offer their best for me and I'll go between them.

I got 3 different quotes for all the addons at diff dealers too - but about 400 is right for door protectors.

[euromax]

There's not much in price movement you can negotiate on the new Civic but you can ask for accessories such as window tinting, floor mats and fog lights. $1200 for dealer delivery seems about right. On top of that I also managed to negotiate $290 off the purchased price and that is after all the goodies thrown in. There's also full tank of petrol and a $150 referral voucher redeemable for petrol, Woolworth, Coles etc.

The thing is after April, the Civic and Jazz revert back to being sourced from Thailand. This few batches are from Japan.

iPod integration is really good. You control it via a menu for songs and albums selection. All title, artist are shown on the lcd screen which is very nice. That same panel also toggles between, clock, fuel consumption and iPod display. You can even upload a favourite picture there.

The display right in front of the steering wheel shows coloured bars which changes from dark blue (heavy driving) to light blue and eventually green for cruising.

Bluetooth for hands free mobile phone operation is via controls on the steering wheel. I imagine this to be the same as the new Euro which I drive. This is very good and is a must especially when you can get fined for holding your phone whilst driving besides being dangerous.

I can tell you a lot more but you really need to see the car in person at the showroom. It looks much much better than on the website. It drives well too. I have test drive the Subaru Impreza and I must say the Subaru handles a bit better due to AWD but is $2 k more. Both cars feels nice to drive and both are new 2012 models which looks good and has solid resale value.

Of course there are other brands but if I favoured other brands I wouldn't be here on this Civic forum. Like I say I drive the Euro but I still think the new Civic is nice. Get it while it's still made in Japan.

[UNLS1]

i drove the Vti-L home last night for the first time.
before it was released i wasnt really excited about it as i thought it was too much like the old one, but there was nothing wrong with the old one.

Its drive is much much better than the old, quieter and handling is much better even more euro like. The steering is prob the best part, its fantastic.

ill drive it a few more times and see what else i like / dislike about it.

i find the dash set up better but its all a bit too hard like the plastics ect.

[L2R]

Hi didler, all my negotiations where verbal.
Godd luck, keep us posted.
L2R

[euromax]

Good to hear good reports coming in on the Civic. I don't know why people are bashing it before they have even seen it much less drive it.

Honda quality is still tops despite all the competitions which still has a way to go. I have 2 Euros with me currently and there is not a single problem with the 1st luxury Euro which is 3 years old. I've just gotten a new one a month ago and again it's flawless.

Having test drive the Civic I know it's the same Honda quality I've come to expect.

[denot]

Good to hear good reports coming in on the Civic. I don't know why people are bashing it before they have even seen it much less drive it.

Honda quality is still tops despite all the competitions which still has a way to go. I have 2 Euros with me currently and there is not a single problem with the 1st luxury Euro which is 3 years old. I've just gotten a new one a month ago and again it's flawless.

Having test drive the Civic I know it's the same Honda quality I've come to expect.

What I dont like is the fact that Honda makes some gadgets (e.g. rear park sensor) as an accessories on all level of trim, but other brand (even the Koreans) have this as standard. I think Honda is still think big of themself and put their car brand almost at the same level of European car.

Its kinda like they said "I know its more expensive and have less gadgets, but it's a Honda" Er... I dont think that will work nowadays...

[fitme]

^ gadgets which is already available with the other brand longtime ago....i think those added electronic gadget will not cost that much..and the car itself is overpriced

[denot]

^ gadgets which is already available with the other brand longtime ago....i think those added electronic gadget will not cost that much..and the car itself is overpriced

exactly! I think HA need to consider this when they decide the price and what should be included on the car. While the govt are talking to make reverse camera as standard on all car in the future, reverse sensor is still optional in the "NEW" civic -_-"

[euromax]

Now we're talking accessories :)
If you're referring to all Hondas then that's not true. Front and rear parking sensors are standard on my luxury Euro, which honestly is a nuisance. If you're a competent driver you don't need those sensors. Cameras are different.

Fact is Hondas are still better quality wise. The Koreans by that you're probably referring to Hyundai and their sister company Kia has still some way to go. They are fast catching up but not quite there yet.

At the end of the day it's a free world. You are free to choose the cars you decide to spend your hard earned cash on.

One thing though what you guys are doing is probably a big favour to those of us still wanting to buy Hondas. You have make Honda sit up and taken notice. They are starting to act to reduce their price and increase their value.

The NSX is returning and there will be more.

[denot]

Too tell you the truth, Jazz & i30 quality is no different... But I still love the CU2!



The NSX is returning and there will be more.

Not as Honda though, so we can only hope...

[euromax]

Glad you still like the CU2. As someone who has own one you will know how it drives. Besides at $29990 for a base Euro manual that's a real bargain drive away price.

Jazz should be compared to i20
Civic should be compared to i30

Those are the equivalent range. Admittedly the i30 is a pretty good car but I would still drive a Honda :)

I have no idea the NSX is not coming back as a Honda but what does it matter I won't be buying one :)

After Honda, I'd be looking at a BMW next.

[euromax]

Nope the NSX will definitely be sold in Australia as a Honda it has been announced.
Timeframe is 2015 - manufacturing in Ohio

It will be a V6 mid engine, all wheel drive and hybrid.

You have 3 years to save up for this toy.

[didier]

hmm well having a tough time getting any discounts really in WA. my best bet is getting discounts off addons like door guards, rear sensors, tinting etc I reckon. Whats normally doable? 50% off rrp?

Are honda tints much good, or better than say tintacar?

[Fredoops]

hmm well having a tough time getting any discounts really in WA. my best bet is getting discounts off addons like door guards, rear sensors, tinting etc I reckon. Whats normally doable? 50% off rrp?

Are honda tints much good, or better than say tintacar?

have you tried a car broker? or fleet provider

[didier]

do they have use with new models? i heard they dont achieve more than bargaining yourself...

[euromax]

It's a dealer arranged tinting with some third party company. Honda does no tinting on their own.

You should try and get at least window tinting, Civic logo carpet floor mats. After that try for one other big item like fog lights or rear sensors. If you don't get those thrown in at least get 50% on rrp of the item. I got fog lights for free as well that's because it's a 2nd Honda I got from them in 2 months. A Euro now a Civic.

Good luck! and as stated after Aprils stock, it reverts back to coming from Thailand.

[UNLS1]

exactly! I think HA need to consider this when they decide the price and what should be included on the car. While the govt are talking to make reverse camera as standard on all car in the future, reverse sensor is still optional in the "NEW" civic -_-"

u do know the best selling small car in australia the Mazda 3 does not come standard with sensors? not one model has sensors standard, not even the MPS!

[denot]

u do know the best selling small car in australia the Mazda 3 does not come standard with sensors? not one model has sensors standard, not even the MPS!

I know eh... thats a surprise as well... But personally, do you see the new civic is better than 3 in all aspect (e.g. can it beat the 3 to be the best selling small car)?

[euromax]

Comparing Civic with Mazda 3 is like comparing Commodore with Falcons. You either like one or hate the other.

They are both good cars but IMO the Honda engines are their strong points. I've driven both Mazda 3 and the new Civic and I'll pick the Civic as far as driving goes. The Imprezas has the slight edge there because of AWD.

The Mazda 3 appeal is the all round package and that includes the price.

Similarly comparison between the Jazz and Mazda 2, the Jazz wins out any day where driving enjoyment is concern.

So you pick a car not because it's the best seller. For many of us we rather pick one we like and not follow the crowd.

[denot]

Comparing Civic with Mazda 3 is like comparing Commodore with Falcons.
If its commodore vs falcons, then its easy for me: none of both :p


...we rather pick one we like and not follow the crowd.
Well said! :thumbsup:

[UNLS1]

I know eh... thats a surprise as well... But personally, do you see the new civic is better than 3 in all aspect (e.g. can it beat the 3 to be the best selling small car)?

god no not in australia, australia is the biggest selling market for mazda in the world!
our problem is we only really offer a base model sedan and only an high price end hatch.
we would need a 20,990 hatch to compete with the mazda!

my point was not all cars have sensors standard, even the best sellers. i believe they should but thats just my opinion like urs! my other opinion is if u need them then u need to learn how to park properly lol

and personally i dont like the mazda 3, as far as im concerned its a chicks car! i hate the front with the big smile face!

[curtis265]

^agreed! It's so girly i don't know why, Perhaps it needs an angrier looking face like the civic's

[denot]

^agreed! It's so girly i don't know why, Perhaps it needs an angrier looking face like the civic's
I agree with 3 looks like a chick car, but the new civic having aggressive looks...er... I dont think it has.

[euromax]

Haha now the Civic fans has come out to play. Careful guys, if you keep talking good about Civic, the cars will sell so fast and the price will stay high.

So let's just keep it our little secret shall we.

[euromax]

2012 Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra earn five stars in NHTSA crash tests
March 6th, 2012 by Brady Holt

Not many small cars get this rating. The previous version on the Civic scored only 3.

+1 for Civic again

[curtis265]

I agree with 3 looks like a chick car, but the new civic having aggressive looks...er... I dont think it has.

Was referring to the facelifted FD

[chunky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trI5TAyXUdE&feature=plcp&context=C35e50e1UDOEgsToPDskLWKHLJuGssr9liZv6GfCbL

[UNLS1]

why do u want us to look at a home made youtube vid of a an american built and spec civic ?

[Fredoops]

^^ because it is neigh on identical to the Japanese/Thai built AUDM version.

[chunky]

why do u want us to look at a home made youtube vid of a an american built and spec civic ?

soz man just wanted to give people a look who cbf going to the dealership at all the interior specs etc

[UNLS1]

lol lazy people! get out and have a look!

ps. jdm does not have sat nav like the one in the vid, and the vid one has leather where that is not an option for our vti-L

[Sherweeeny]

Similarly comparison between the Jazz and Mazda 2, the Jazz wins out any day where driving enjoyment is concern..

Err actually the Mazda 2 has a much better chassis than the jazz, ESPECIALLY when it comes to driving enjoyment

[euromax]

Ok whatever this is a Civic thread :)

On that score, I drive the new Civic from Canberra to Sydney and I must say it drives well. Quiet on the inside, cruise comfortably at 110 or 120 kph and has overtaking power.

Bluetooth for hands free mobile phone usage works the same as the Euro which is good.
Can even stream music via bluetooth to the sound system wirelessly.

I think it's a good small car.

[didier]

to note, I bought mine last week, honda dealer in Perth. picking it up tommorow.

discount best I could get was free floor mats, petrol (givens), about 170 off the rrp price plus $150 off window tints.

I thought they were very hard to press for discounts, but then I met someone yesterday who got a 475 discount via free metallic paint which he haggled - so I felt bad lol.

but still happy - can't wait til finish work tommorow!

[chunky]

really want to stay loyal to honda but i had a look at the 2012 platinum lancer and it looks like good value
only thing i like about the new civic is probably the cluster and the key

[euromax]

I got Window Tint, Civic floor mats, Fog lights, full tank of petrol and NSW premium plates. Could have got fog lights or rear sensors - either. That's because I've been going back to the same dealer for my Hondas.

[denot]

...2012 platinum lancer and it looks like good value

Problem with that is Lancer needs an update! Has been like that for a while and I dont think the update will be something that "wow" us, since there will be no Evo probably until 2017:
http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2012/mitsubishi-ev-sports-car-not-before-2017-29230

[chunky]

yeah the dash is certainly outdated but exterior still is worth keeping imo

[UNLS1]

really want to stay loyal to honda but i had a look at the 2012 platinum lancer and it looks like good value
only thing i like about the new civic is probably the cluster and the key


the lancer has CVT tranny and that is fail IMO

[chunky]

the lancer has CVT tranny and that is fail IMO

its a 5spd manual

[denot]

...but exterior still is worth keeping imo

Actually the exterior that put me off more than the interior imo :)

[connorling]

why does it look like a hyundai when hyundai also copies other manufacturers? funnny

I thought i was the only one think Hyundai is copying. haha

[wrray]

I got Window Tint, Civic floor mats, Fog lights, full tank of petrol and NSW premium plates. Could have got fog lights or rear sensors - either. That's because I've been going back to the same dealer for my Hondas.

Did you get anything off the RRP? Im suprised to hear some dealers only give half a tank, how cheap can they get?

[UNLS1]

Did you get anything off the RRP? Im suprised to hear some dealers only give half a tank, how cheap can they get?

there is a cost for everything!

[wrray]

there is a cost for everything!

Alrite there is a cost for everything but from a consumer point of view we dont want to pay full price and get something thats worth almost nothing to the dealer.

They cover all that cost in the RRP. Thats why when you go to the dealer the RRP price is not the same as what you see on paper. If I were to pay RRP I wouldnt want half a tank of petrol. Just being realistic.

[L2R]

Picked mine up last Saturday. Love it... no regrets, all I thought it would be and more. Great industrial design and workmanship. No matter what the reviews say, it's a great car.
Granted, it does't stand out in the crowd... but IMO that's a good thing.
L2R

[UNLS1]

Alrite there is a cost for everything but from a consumer point of view we dont want to pay full price and get something thats worth almost nothing to the dealer.

They cover all that cost in the RRP. Thats why when you go to the dealer the RRP price is not the same as what you see on paper. If I were to pay RRP I wouldnt want half a tank of petrol. Just being realistic.

agreed there! some dealers are tight and dont include mats or a tank of fuel., it all depends on the deal i guess, all my cars esp if they are sold close to rrp have mats and full tank on every contract.

but i have a mate who works for toyota and they dont even put mats and full tank in any of the cars unless its negotiated in the deal! no matter what price its sold at.

[wrray]

Im thinking of modify (exterior/interior accessories) my new civic in the future but i dont know any good honda mechanics in sydney beside the honda dealers. Any recommendations?

[black8thgen]

top one
hannys
bel garage
jdmyard
shift
etcetcetcetc

[L2R]

Has anybody seen the new civic with the 'door styling guards' fitted.
Do they spoil the appearance? Look dicky?
I know I can see them on the brochure/web site - they seem to be highly retouched.
I am contemplating getting them fitted to my car, just wanted to know what they look like in real life.
Any pics would be great.
Tx, L2R

[kiwitrains]

Does the new civic run more quietly than the present one, road noise I mean it is a great problem most tyres do not get rid of the problem and also has the new one got a bit softer suspension to stop it jumping up and down!!

[wrray]

Does the new civic run more quietly than the present one, road noise I mean it is a great problem most tyres do not get rid of the problem and also has the new one got a bit softer suspension to stop it jumping up and down!!

I cant compare with the previous model as i never owned one but the current civic road noise is really good, i believe they made the car more sound proof to road noise. Suspension is good, not like a bucking bull haha, didnt know the old civic behave that way if thats what ur saying.

[kiwitrains]

Mine is a 2009 Sport!! noisy on any road except tarmac jumps around on any road except smooth ones!! Just tried a new Ford Focus what a difference on the same roads, quieter and smooth suspension looks like a swap is on the cards.

[Swordie]

There will be a VTI from Thailand. It will have steel wheels, hud caps and no climate. Thailand is due to start exporting around June.

[Robjh]

Mine is a 2009 Sport!! noisy on any road except tarmac jumps around on any road except smooth ones!! Just tried a new Ford Focus what a difference on the same roads, quieter and smooth suspension looks like a swap is on the cards.

I just took delivery of a new 2012 Gen 9 Sport last week and I find it very quiet, can't comment if it's any quieter than the Gen 8 Sport as Iv'e never even been in a Gen 8 ... personally I do find the suspension a bit on the soft side and it is a bit "jittery" on the road .. but of course I am coming from an XR4 with modified suspension so pretty much any car is going to feel soft in the suspension to me until I got used to it.

I also looked at the new Focus Titanium before settling on the Honda ... the Focus is a nice car but two things put me off buying one .... firstly, being a Euro Ford the air-con is rubbish! .. Iv'e owned my XR4 which also comes from Germany (like the Focus) for over 4 years and the biggest let down of the whole car was the sub-standard air con performance, it's simply not up to our climate over here, fine for Euro conditions where 25C is considered a heatwave! .. but here in Oz ... it's next to useless! .. I spent a lot of money on my XR4 to get the air-con fixed up so it was at least bearable .. in stock form it's hopeless.

Secondly, it's a Ford ... nice enough cars ... BUT ... if anything goes wrong under warranty .. be prepared for a big fight to get anything fixed! .... personally I would have many sleepless nights just worrying about that nice 6 Speed DSG Powershift gearbox playing up! ... good luck to anyone getting that fixed under warranty!

Hopefully Honda have a little more foresight in regards to looking after their customers should warranty concerns arise .. time will tell (fingers crossed) ... this is my first ever Honda so I can only hope the reliability is as good as they say.

[denot]

Congrats on the purchase! Do tell us some more review after you drive it for a while, and few pics of the car would be good!


Hopefully Honda have a little more foresight in regards to looking after their customers should warranty concerns arise .. time will tell (fingers crossed) ... this is my first ever Honda so I can only hope the reliability is as good as they say.

Have you read on how HA taking care of people who complains about "pinging" issue on the Accord Euro CU2? First they said, its not a problem. Then they told you to change the fuel from E10 or 95 to 98. Then finally they have the fix for this problem that they said its not an issue. I think on this matter, there no much diff from how Ford handles the warranty.

[kiwitrains]

I have a Mondeo which was made in Germany, it is a 2002 from NZ which was not imported into Oz the Air Con is great and can cool as much as any Oz made car.

[Swordie]

New shape keeps growing on me. Take delivery of VTI-L next week.

Civic Si looks good in these shots from Motor Trend. It would great if Australia got this model.




http://image.motortrend.com/f/36001363+w786+ar1/2012-Honda-Civic-Si-sedan-rear-three-quarters.jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/34908854+w786+ar1/2012-Honda-Civic-Si-sedan-side.jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/36001354+w786+ar1/2012-Honda-Civic-Si-sedan-front-three-quarters.jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/36001348+w786+ar1/2012-Honda-Civic-Si-sedan-cockpit.jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/34908848+w786+ar1/2012-Honda-Civic-Si-sedan-interior.jpg

[chunky]

Saw one today near kissing point road
Brown colour, sport model
The rear isn't bad

[tinymoon]

Saw 3 in the Gold Coast. Except the Eco Mode is there any other reason to upgrade from Fd1 vti-l MY10? I personally do not like the central dash compare to the old one :(

[Fredoops]

New shape keeps growing on me. Take delivery of VTI-L next week.

Civic Si looks good in these shots from Motor Trend. It would great if Australia got this model.




http://image.motortrend.com/f/36001363+w786+ar1/2012-Honda-Civic-Si-sedan-rear-three-quarters.jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/34908854+w786+ar1/2012-Honda-Civic-Si-sedan-side.jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/36001354+w786+ar1/2012-Honda-Civic-Si-sedan-front-three-quarters.jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/36001348+w786+ar1/2012-Honda-Civic-Si-sedan-cockpit.jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/34908848+w786+ar1/2012-Honda-Civic-Si-sedan-interior.jpg

Those rims look like the optional rims on the Honda City...

Still not a fun of the rear but front of the SI isnt bad.

[RH9]

In my opinion, the styling has become more conservative with the latest model Civic and other bad points are:

- no K20 engine for the sport model (carry over from previous Australian delivered sport model)
- No K24 engine / 6 speed manual (as per USDM Sport model)
- no 6 speed manual transmission throughout range (and no manual transmission in Sport)

[leetie123]

for those of you who are interested in new 2.0 engine (not too badly equipped for the price point i think)
I thought I will share this link about Honda R20 engine

http://asia.vtec.net/hardcore/8GAccord20/index.html

The article talks about the R20 engine available in overseas 8G accord and compares it against K20 engine
quite interesting.

Small loss of low end power and high end, with gain in mid range and fuel economy. I think its a good trade off, what do u guys think?

[ido09s]

Its been in the US for some time now as i saw this face on the Civic 18 months ago in Hawaii. I quite like it

[shepparton]

the rear tail light looks like camry

[Honda_Boi]

Its been in the US for some time now as i saw this face on the Civic 18 months ago in Hawaii. I quite like it

Not possible. It went on sale in the US in April 2011, so it's only been out there for 11+ months.

[shepparton]

no more 4 door typer fan boy noww.. it just rebadge camry with new design taillight and wing

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[Swordie]

Picked up new VTI-L, very impressed so far. It has the Honda quality feel; solid, reliable (feels like it will go for ever), safe, good handling, smooth and well engineered. Stereo sounds great and really like iPod connectivity. It will comfortably sit four people. The drive line is well proven and is up to the task of commuting and highway duties. It's a great overall package.

Couldn't get Bluetooth to work correctly with Sony Andriod phone. Kept trying to reconnect. I was told it's my phone is the problem. Will have to look further into this.

I looked up the price of an EG GLI, its price 18 years ago is nearly the same price of the new VTI-L. New cars are great value these days.

[curtis265]

Sat in one today in the dealership, didn't get a chance to drive it though.

Interior build quality did feel really nice though, far less grey and plasticy compared to the 8th gen.

Impressed so far, just disappointed at the bodywork resembling a camry

[Honda_Boi]

I looked up the price of an EG GLI, its price 18 years ago is nearly the same price of the new VTI-L. New cars are great value these days.

Yes it was about $27,500 in the mid-90s, plus another $2,000 or so if you wanted the optional air conditioning. But remember that import duty was 30% 18 years ago.

[kevkev18]

really fugly! hate the look!

[xplod_accord]

This might have been asked before but does the US 4-door Civic Si grill fit our Civics here? The shape looks the same. I know the coupe grill is completely different.
The black honeycomb ones look a lot better than the chrome one we get.

[denot]

Also, what is the model is now called?

[kiwitrains]

It actually does not look much different to the 8th Gen even the inside is very similar, like I said before I only hope its rides better than the 8th.

[didier]

drove mine to margaret river and back from Perth last weekend, 5.4L/100km, average probably 95km/h. so that was 800km from 43.5L... must have still had about 100km it could have run before fully dry.

However I'd already driven about 20km past when it said 0km remaining :P

[ryaan]

that is impressive.....
hey UNLS1 i saw a vti-l with leather today and it looks pretty legit.. so is leather a factory option or is it some dealer third party thing?

[dmx]

tested this new civic (my friend's VTI-L),
interior : no significant improvement
exterior: disappointed, similiar like honda city
handling: no significant improvement
price : good (vtil-L auto : 27K)
overall : totally agree with US critics
"With the latest Civic, Honda has gambled that moving away from sportiness and towards quiet comfort will suit its buyers. Honda hasn’t hedged its bets into the boring realm of the Toyota Corolla, but it’s certainly an unadventurous effort. Aside from being quieter and more efficient, the new Civic doesn’t represent improvement as we define it. The Civic lacks the passion, soul, and entertaining driving dynamics of its predecessor. Mainstream buyers may not care, but enthusiasts surely will." - Car and Driver

[dmx]

Also, what is the model is now called?

why this mazda user stuck in this forum?lol.. :cool:
how r u mate ?:wave:

[curtis265]

VTi-L - FB2
sport - FB3
Hybrid - FB4

[Glocker]

http://performancedrive.com.au/2012-honda-civic-sport-review/

Anyone agree with the review?

[denot]

why this mazda user stuck in this forum?lol.. :cool:
how r u mate ?:wave:

Yo DMX! Long time no see mate! Did they lift the ban? :p lol jkz

[xplod_accord]

http://performancedrive.com.au/2012-honda-civic-sport-review/

Anyone agree with the review?

It says there are no reverse sensors but that's incorrect. It is an optional extra.

[Robjh]

I wouldn't agree with the statement ... "Not as much kit as other competitors" ... and then at the bottom of the page they make this statement about the Mazda 3 ... "the Mazda3 amazes with the amount of optional kit available and tiers of equipment"

A bloke I work with has just bought a brand new Mazda 3 ... I checked it out the other day, everything about it has a very cheap and nasty feel to it ... it's nowhere near the quality of the new Civic, not even in the same league in my opinion.

[tseesinngwailo]

No Xenon Headlamps, thats disappointing on a brand new car, mind you, havent checked if the Mazda or Toyota come with them either.. I am looking to buy the prvious generation Sport soon, but don't know if I would stretch to a second hand one of these in a few years, just can't see anything that really justifies it.

[curtis265]

hid's are an easy diy.. no biggie

[tseesinngwailo]

DIY HID are never legal unless you have the washers etc, but retrofitting in Aus is illegal I am sure

[tseesinngwailo]

Charming, but it would gain far more respect if youprovided links to the RTA sites to prove your reply

[kiwitrains]

Totally

[UNLS1]

mazda dont have HID, only MPS does.
Top of range corolla does.

lets wait and see what we get from thailand spec civic...

[denot]

While there are still abundant optional extras on the new civics, most of these can be found as standard on Korean cars... Thai vs Korea? Which one has better quality?

[Glocker]

mazda dont have HID, only MPS does.
Top of range corolla does.

lets wait and see what we get from thailand spec civic...

It's offered as an option on mazda3 skyactiv2.0, add about 3k to sticker price. Think it also includes GPS and leather.

[denot]

http://performancedrive.com.au/2012-honda-civic-sport-review/

Anyone agree with the review?

After reading the article, it makes me wonder... if I switch to "Econ" while on "S" mode, which one will work? Or I cant do that?

[Glocker]

After reading the article, it makes me wonder... if I switch to "Econ" while on "S" mode, which one will work? Or I cant do that?

I found that the Econ mode is rendered useless, you get the sharper throttle and autobox response of Sport mode

[curtis265]

I found that the Econ mode is rendered useless, you get the sharper throttle and autobox response of Sport mode

wait econ gives u sharper throttle response? LOL

[Glocker]

wait econ gives u sharper throttle response? LOL

Learn2read

[curtis265]

my bad.

no need for ur attitude, not everyone's as clever as you

[aleksstoj]

Hey guys new to the forum. just bought a honda civic vti-l 2012 manual. paid $22 000 no extras just full tank of fuel in sydney. Just though ill post what i paid for others looking to buy.

[chunky]

the more i look at it the more it grows on me

[denot]

Learn2read


I found that the Econ mode is rendered useless, you get the sharper throttle and autobox response of Sport mode

You get those on which mode? Didnt you mean "on Sport mode"? no wonder curtis265 is confused :p

[Glocker]

my bad.

no need for ur attitude, not everyone's as clever as you

lol point concided. still friends? :P


You get those on which mode? Didnt you mean "on Sport mode"? no wonder curtis265 is confused :p

you gotta read my post which contained the original quote.

[yuling]

Guys is $24.5k for VTI-L auto with full tank, floor mats and mud flaps... is that a good price??

Also why is the reviewer I read gave it 3/5 ratings? anything bad about it? it sure looks good to me!

[Swordie]

Guys is $24.5k for VTI-L auto with full tank, floor mats and mud flaps... is that a good price??

Also why is the reviewer I read gave it 3/5 ratings? anything bad about it? it sure looks good to me!

Price sounds good to me. Secondhand 7th Gen VTI-L Auto with low Kms are a bit less.

I wouldn't worry about what reviewers say. If you like it buy it. Picked up a new VTI-L auto recently. Very happy with the purchase. It's a very nice car to drive.

[yuling]

how much did you pay for it? and what extras?

[Swordie]

http://performancedrive.com.au/2012-honda-civic-sport-review/

Anyone agree with the review?

In general I'd agree with what it says in regards to how it drives and handles, going buy VTI-L experience. It's probably one the most accurate articles I read so far compared to general media. Most articles are brief and seems the reviewer hasn't spent much time with the car.

I wouldn't class suspension as hard, it handles well with adequate comfort. You can drive the car knowing it will cruise well at high speed and corner with confidence.

Around town I haven't noticed much difference with the Eco button on. On the highway with cruise it's best to turn it Off. When On the car is slow to react to accelerating up hills, Off no problem. Up hills the car holds 110km.

Most people who sit in side for the first time are impressed by the space age dash.

The seats are very comfortable and there's good space for sitting four people.

[Robjh]

Guys is $24.5k for VTI-L auto with full tank, floor mats and mud flaps... is that a good price??

Also why is the reviewer I read gave it 3/5 ratings? anything bad about it? it sure looks good to me!

Can't really comment on the VTi-L price as I bought the Sport.

But as a yard-stick I got my Sport for $30k driveaway in Dyno Blue, genuine mats, front and rear mud-spats and the extra 2 years genuine Honda warranty ... ended up being over $3k in savings off list price with the extras .. thought I did OK, I was pleased with the deal.

As for reviewers giving 3/5 or whatever .. personally I take any of these reviews with a pinch of salt, particularly ones like the Performance Drive one mentioned in an earlier post, any review that quotes the Mazda 3 as "offers a lot more kit" compared to the Civic obviously has some sort of bias toward the Mazda product for whatever reason ? ... or just hasn't spent much time in the Civic ?

When I looked around I found the Civic to be far superior overall to anything else available at this price point (particularly the Mazda 3)... and no, I'm not a Honda fanboy, in fact this is the first Honda Iv'e ever owned.

[curtis265]

Have u tested the mazda and compared the standard equipment?

[Swordie]

Have u tested the mazda and compared the standard equipment?

Didn’t look at Mazda. Honda family, third Civic, always been happy with brand. I hear once people buy Honda they generally buy them again. As the Civic is based on older generation platform and mechanicals it gives confidence it will last well into the future and be reliable. 7th Gen has proven to be a great car.

Considered Golf, didn't drive. Just sat in and looked at specs. Golf would of been mid 30's. Then there's question mark over servicing costs and reliability of DSG. VWs technology wise seem ahead.

Tested BMW F20 118i auto. Slight lag down low and great handler. Back seats not enough room. Mid 50's by time options are added. Value wise Civic stands up very well to BMW. Civic for every day use stands up very well performance and handling wise.

[denot]

I hear once people buy Honda they generally buy them again.

Er... Oh okay... :( I've got 7 gen, 8 gen and Euro but now driving CX9... :(

Anyway, for 30k, i prefer a CU2. The only good things on Sports that I see improved from the 8th gen is the leather. The one on 9th looks more expensive and lux

[Glocker]

Can't really comment on the VTi-L price as I bought the Sport.

But as a yard-stick I got my Sport for $30k driveaway in Dyno Blue, genuine mats, front and rear mud-spats and the extra 2 years genuine Honda warranty ... ended up being over $3k in savings off list price with the extras .. thought I did OK, I was pleased with the deal.

As for reviewers giving 3/5 or whatever .. personally I take any of these reviews with a pinch of salt, particularly ones like the Performance Drive one mentioned in an earlier post, any review that quotes the Mazda 3 as "offers a lot more kit" compared to the Civic obviously has some sort of bias toward the Mazda product for whatever reason ? ... or just hasn't spent much time in the Civic ?

When I looked around I found the Civic to be far superior overall to anything else available at this price point (particularly the Mazda 3)... and no, I'm not a Honda fanboy, in fact this is the first Honda Iv'e ever owned.

I had a look at the mazdas, they have 5 models with different trim levels with optional extras like Bose sound system xenon lights, leather seats and GPS navigation. Oh and a 2.3L turbo engine if you are so inclined.

Hope a Type R would join the line up soon :(

Nice deal you got on the sport by the way! Loved the dyno blue.

[supersaiyan]

don't know if its been said, but the taillights are from the toyota camry 2002-2004 :LL

and i'm guessing they will just release a `refreshed, updated' civic in 2013-14 by altering the taillight pattern, going from red white red, to white red white just like the 04-06 camrys!

[aleksstoj]

Guys is $24.5k for VTI-L auto with full tank, floor mats and mud flaps... is that a good price??

Also why is the reviewer I read gave it 3/5 ratings? anything bad about it? it sure looks good to me!

I would try for $23 000. walk out a couple times show them you dont care if u buy a mazda 3 or holden cruze go to all the honda dealerships do the same thing. I paid $22 000 for a manual vti-l and full tank no extras, add another thousand for auto, floor matts are less then $200 for realy good ones and mud flaps from china $40 delivered on ebay all you need is a battery drill to install im sure theres a how to install guide up on the net. With the extras i wouldnt pay more then $23 500. If your gona pay $24 500 give me the difference ill haggle with them if your in sydney.

[curtis265]

I would try for $23 000. walk out a couple times show them you dont care if u buy a mazda 3 or holden cruze go to all the honda dealerships do the same thing. I paid $22 000 for a manual vti-l and full tank no extras, add another thousand for auto, floor matts are less then $200 for realy good ones and mud flaps from china $40 delivered on ebay all you need is a battery drill to install im sure theres a how to install guide up on the net. With the extras i wouldnt pay more then $23 500. If your gona pay $24 500 give me the difference ill haggle with them if your in sydney.

punctuation mun! That's hard to read!

u must be a hardcore haggler!

[yuling]

I would try for $23 000. walk out a couple times show them you dont care if u buy a mazda 3 or holden cruze go to all the honda dealerships do the same thing. I paid $22 000 for a manual vti-l and full tank no extras, add another thousand for auto, floor matts are less then $200 for realy good ones and mud flaps from china $40 delivered on ebay all you need is a battery drill to install im sure theres a how to install guide up on the net. With the extras i wouldnt pay more then $23 500. If your gona pay $24 500 give me the difference ill haggle with them if your in sydney.

Automatic cost $2000 more so its going to be at least $24000?? No way they will sell for $23k!

[chunky]

doesnt look half bad with modulo kit on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di3S8eOt8d0

[ryaan]

i think the rear spoiler wing just ruins it.. too tacky

[yuling]

Hi, guys I recently bought a Honda Civic 2012 VTI-L auto model... to my surprise it didn't come with rear parking sensors and was told to add them it will cost me $780!! to me that's ridiculously high price!

I am new to the car market, so I am not sure if the one Honda uses is any superior to the one after-market people use (is it?)...Any recommendation on where to get a reliable rear parking sensors done that is cheaper (I need it to be installed aswell)? Is there any risk in getting in done with someone else beside Honda?

Will it void any warranty with Honda?

[Swordie]

Hi, guys I recently bought a Honda Civic 2012 VTI-L auto model... to my surprise it didn't come with rear parking sensors and was told to add them it will cost me $780!! to me that's ridiculously high price!

I am new to the car market, so I am not sure if the one Honda uses is any superior to the one after-market people use (is it?)...Any recommendation on where to get a reliable rear parking sensors done that is cheaper (I need it to be installed aswell)? Is there any risk in getting in done with someone else beside Honda?

Will it void any warranty with Honda?

After market will be fine. It will not void warranty. Try calling a store selling car stereos, they might be able to suggest a place.

Also try talking to your Honda Dealer see if they can do a better price. Ask the Dealer what brand they use. Have a chat to Honda Service Department as well, they might be able to guide you.

Rear Parking sensors are quite handy. It's not the best car for rear visibility when reversing.

[denot]

doesnt look half bad with modulo kit on

Cant wait for the Mugen kit!

[chunky]

^is there going to be one??

[denot]

^is there going to be one??

should be

[gooseberry]

Looking at buying a 2012 Civic. For those of you that have bought one with the reverse park assist - are the reverse sensors integrated with the i-MID display ? or do they just beep ?

[L2R]

They just beep

[gooseberry]

Hmm. That's a bit disappointing... Looked at an online Civic manual, and it shows the reverse sensors are supposed to be integrated with the i-MID (showing which sensor is going off and the distance) - wonder if the dealers are cheaping out and installing some 3rd party system, and not the genuine Honda rear park assist kit

[curtis265]

are you talking about a reverse camera?

[gooseberry]

No, not a reverse camera. In the 2012 Civic owners manual, it shows that when you have the reverse sensor kit, it displays on the info screen, which sensors are being triggered and indication of distance

[ryaan]

some dealers are being cheap.. i guess we need to ask for "genuine parking sensors" lol

[Robjh]

i guess we need to ask for "genuine parking sensors" lol

My dealer was going to throw them in the deal when I bought my Sport .. I politely declined the offer, the thought of the workshop Apprentice attacking my brand new bumper armed with a hole saw drill didn't exactly do much for me!

[Swordie]

I have reverse sensors fitted by Honda, part of options new. Nothing comes up on display, there's a beep when moving to reverse indicating its engaged. Works fine.

I've read about 3rd of manual. I wouldn't say it specifically tailored to Australian model. Still does a good job of explaining.

The manual says the ECON button " helps improve your fuel economy by adjusting the performance of the engine, transmission, heating and cooling system / climate control system and cruise control ".

I've read a few reviews mentioning Sport has nice power over VTi-L. The VTi-L at 40km/h feels like it's hardly moving. Around town the car needs to be pussied as it feels it wants to go harder.

[kiwitrains]

The Sport only has a one type CD player where as the earlier model had the six deck unit is this progress?

[praja6]

8th Gen civic scored safety rating 4


2012 Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra earn five stars in NHTSA crash tests
March 6th, 2012 by Brady Holt

Not many small cars get this rating. The previous version on the Civic scored only 3.

+1 for Civic again

[praja6]

If the rear park sensors comes from factory fitted like accord euro lux then it will beep and shows in MID. however even if put geniine rear park assist as a genuine honda accessory it just beep and it wont come in MID. I got genuiine honda rear park assist with my accord euro cu2 My10 it just beep and doesnt shows in MID.

Honda dealers use after market rear sensors too which is bit cheaper but it comes with a black seperate small box usually they stick on top of the rear view mirror which shows in green LED the distance and beep.

hope this helps..


Hmm. That's a bit disappointing... Looked at an online Civic manual, and it shows the reverse sensors are supposed to be integrated with the i-MID (showing which sensor is going off and the distance) - wonder if the dealers are cheaping out and installing some 3rd party system, and not the genuine Honda rear park assist kit

[denot]

When you asked for reverse sensor, you should state is it the OEM honda or aftermarket. when I bought the FD2 ages ago, they just put down "Reverse sensor" but I asked them "I want the OEM one" and they put "Reverse sensor (OEM)".

[curtis265]

When you asked for reverse sensor, you should state is it the OEM honda or aftermarket. when I bought the FD2 ages ago, they just put down "Reverse sensor" but I asked them "I want the OEM one" and they put "Reverse sensor (OEM)".

wow.. dem stealerships

[Swordie]

Interesting point on OEM sensors. I wouldn't have known at the time what the difference was and known to ask. I wonder if there is OEM available on Japan models. It may change when production comes from Thailand.

It's interesting as you reflect back on how cars have progressed. Years ago there's was nothing in terms of aids. It's so much easier to drive car these days.

[denot]

I wonder if there is OEM available on Japan models. It may change when production comes from Thailand.

funny coz I cant find civic on honda's japan website :S

[curtis265]

there is no civic in japan anymore

[L2R]

Talking of accessories, has anybody had fitted the 'door styling guards' on their new Civic? Do they look good?

[Swordie]

there is no civic in japan anymore

To clarify, current Aust models are built in Japan. I was wondering if OEM is actually available on Japan built models.

[Glocker]

I thought reverse sensors would have been made like, standard on just about every model since 1999

[curtis265]

I thought reverse sensors would have been made like, standard on just about every model since 1999

not sure if serious

[marquee]

I saw one of them on the road the other day rright next to like a 2000 camry. Besides the lights the shape is pretty much the same.

[Datuk]

Yeap that's right!

[CrystalSkull]

As it has four wheels I think it looks too much like a car.

[tseesinngwailo]

I saw a weird gold/grey colour one on on James Ruse Drv, and from the rear I hated it, whatever happened to identifiable cars??? too much Camry, turns me right off getting one, especially no Type R (grrr)

[CrystalSkull]

^ agreed! car is way too Japanese.

[CrystalSkull]

OMG Toyota Aurion tail lights almost same as my Civic FD, now performance is affected, my car running like a Camry :eek:

[curtis265]

u mad brah?

[CrystalSkull]

NAH! i'm amused by the complaints.

[denot]

OMG Toyota Aurion tail lights almost same as my Civic FD...

heh?
https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQIvyp8g3KXHdcFV_JIL26L7IP_MiqX0 Hsi3zHxBMHbBy2nAtkDJQ
vs
https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTeS-UEOEG7kvJsqH8knYFbq4odADwutWDuRUphIbbNbbPVrvmd

"almost same"? :confused:

[62rocket]

Going for a test drive on Friday. Dealer in Brisbane tells me manual VTILs are getting pretty thin on the ground. He claims they have none...