CL9 Specific Suspension requirements - Question

[jbzonda]

Hi All - prepare for some noob questions and descriptions!

i have a 2006 CL9, After rummaging through countless threads for information on what i should do. this is what I've come up with and i need your opinion.

iam wanting a 1-2finger clearance - and without going out to measure yet - figure Eibach Pro-Kit springs (30mm drop) will be a nice option. BUT I've heard the euros naturally have a lot of negative camber (-3 up to -6) - therefore bad for tyres.

so having said all that;

A. will a 1-2 finger clearance drop cause a lot of negative camber? (with eibach pro-kit)
B. is the eibach pro-kit even the right way to go/necessary?
C. what is an acceptable level of camber for that drop
D. if it does cause lots of negative camber - adjustable camber kit is on the cards - what are my options from here?

all in all - i just want a small neat drop for aesthetic purposes and not much change in ride quality, and really when i see that i may need the camber kit i wonder if its all worth it and really i can't justify spending anymore than $600. any opinions and comments would be most helpful.

[tony1234]

Hi All - prepare for some noob questions and descriptions!

i have a 2006 CL9, After rummaging through countless threads for information on what i should do. this is what I've come up with and i need your opinion.

iam wanting a 1-2finger clearance - and without going out to measure yet - figure Eibach Pro-Kit springs (30mm drop) will be a nice option. BUT I've heard the euros naturally have a lot of negative camber (-3 up to -6) - therefore bad for tyres.

so having said all that;

A. will a 1-2 finger clearance drop cause a lot of negative camber? (with eibach pro-kit)
B. is the eibach pro-kit even the right way to go/necessary?
C. what is an acceptable level of camber for that drop
D. if it does cause lots of negative camber - adjustable camber kit is on the cards - what are my options from here?

all in all - i just want a small neat drop for aesthetic purposes and not much change in ride quality, and really when i see that i may need the camber kit i wonder if its all worth it and really i can't justify spending anymore than $600. any opinions and comments would be most helpful.
A.You'll end up with approx.1.5-3 deg. negative on the rears,Front should be fine.
B.Definitely.Even better when you team it up with either Bilstein or Koni shocks.Transforms the way the car drives and handles.
C.Not sure.You WILL need a rear camber kit.
D.SPC or Ingalls camber kits.
Trust me it's worth it!The stock suspension is shit compared with this.I've got Eibach and Bilstein combo.If you do it properly you wont get much change from 2K.(drive in drive out)

[jbzonda]

Thanks for ur reply tony, I'll probably steer clear of shocks, at least initially. Ur estimate of 2k is definitely more than I want to spend, but minus the shocks - and keeping in mind that my price i suggested was for parts only (mate of mine will install)
But Uve answered my questions thanks!

Anyone had experience with eibach with standard shocks?

[marquee]

2k for a spring shock setup is rediculous.

If you dont want shocks thats finebut keepin mind your shocks will eventually fail.

So you will need new shocks anyway and wont make any money back as you then cant sell your shock spring combo as you will need it for the car

[ryaan]

man wasnt this on the other thread -.- a shock and spring combo aint 2k, its 900 delivered

[Kay_lee]

i dont see a point why people get spring+shock combo.. should go for coils its the same price..

[jbzonda]

coil overs are out of the questions, despite the cost, id prefer to just get springs - if i require shocks down the track than so be it.
the fact that the camber kit is required is another cost on top of that.

ryaan, yes i saw it on another thread too - but my questions didn't include shocks.

[tonysalib]

i dont see a point why people get spring+shock combo.. should go for coils its the same price..

Coils are too hard for daily driving

[jbzonda]

Coils are too hard for daily driving

I've heard that too - and i guess thats the idea of the eibach springs it to maintain the stock comfy ride :D

[tonysalib]

If you go for just springs, the problem with Eibach Pro (and Tein S.Tech which is what I've got) is that they drop the front more than the rear - 1.7" front vs. 1.3" back, so you end up with a slight positive rake which is a bit annoying.

I don't know why they make them that way, I'm sure there is a reason since both are reputable brands and they both do that, but if you are getting them purely for aesthetic I would recommend getting something that lowers front and back by the same drop - I think Tanabe do that.

[jbzonda]

If you go for just springs, the problem with Eibach Pro (and Tein S.Tech which is what I've got) is that they drop the front more than the rear - 1.7" front vs. 1.3" back, so you end up with a slight positive rake which is a bit annoying.

I don't know why they make them that way, I'm sure there is a reason since both are reputable brands and they both do that, but if you are getting them purely for aesthetic I would recommend getting something that lowers front and back by the same drop - I think Tanabe do that.

interesting, ill make a note of that cheers. id rather it not have that positive rake - i reckon the stock has it slightly already! thats good to know id rather them drop the same for sure.

[marquee]

Yer that's why i went with coils rake annoyed me.

My coils were fine on a daily drive. Mine are 10kg on the front 6 on the rear.

And when i bought them they felt like stock so i actually hardened up

[tonysalib]

Yer that's why i went with coils rake annoyed me.

My coils were fine on a daily drive. Mine are 10kg on the front 6 on the rear.

And when i bought them they felt like stock so i actually hardened up

What kind are they?

[Kay_lee]

Just wondering yea, Do you have to put eibachs on with konis or bilsteins? Or could you put tein s techs? Just curious ..

[tonysalib]

Just wondering yea, Do you have to put eibachs on with konis or bilsteins? Or could you put tein s techs? Just curious ..

I am pretty sure any springs could be used with koni or bilstien shocks (even stock ones theoretically :))

Correct me if I am wrong, anyone

[marquee]

What kind are they?

Bc racing

[daKIK]

noob question here: how damaging is it to run eibach pro springs without a rear camber kit? With 17x7.5 wheels.. Is this damage purely affecting the tyres on the car? (quicker tyre wear?) Could you get away with not using one?
I'd like to hear from people without a rear camber kit aswell
cheers

[aaronng]

I lowered my car by 1" and teen without a rear camber kit for a few months. I has -3.5° on one side and -4.5° on the other. It wore the inside of my tyres very quickly and also pulled to one side.

[daKIK]

If you go for just springs, the problem with Eibach Pro (and Tein S.Tech which is what I've got) is that they drop the front more than the rear - 1.7" front vs. 1.3" back, so you end up with a slight positive rake which is a bit annoying.

I don't know why they make them that way, I'm sure there is a reason since both are reputable brands and they both do that, but if you are getting them purely for aesthetic I would recommend getting something that lowers front and back by the same drop - I think Tanabe do that.

Yeah Tanabe NF210 springs do that.. 1.5" drop all round
Can anyone comment on the comfort ride of the Tanabes compared with the Eibachs? Cant find much on the forum, but from what I found online, there supposed to be pretty close to the stock ride in comfort