Full Respray

[seancrx9]

Hi peeps,

Has anybody got a right up of procedures on how to do a full car respray?
I have the time and effort to put in. Would like to give it a go at home as a little/big project.
Pictures, prices and steps for a backyard job.
How would it look like without an oven to bake it in?

Any info would be a great learning tool.
Is it possible to get a decent finish?

Many thanks in adavanced.

Or even anyone who can do resprays cheap please let me know. Willing to do some prep work myself.
:confused:

[trism]

Plenty of info already out there mate.

Just use google.

[Red_EG4]

Youtube has a lot of helpful videos too.
It's a specialist skill (in my opinion) so you should take a good look into any information you're given.

[tiksie]

Yes it's possible to get a decent finish.

Google has plenty of info.

An oven isn't required since you will be using Acrylic paint. Or you can hire out a booth and spray 2pak which is more expensive and requires more skill.

Basic run down of what's required:

Colour of your choice 4L = $150 - $500 (depending on colour)
Acrylic thinners 4-8L = $100~
Various sheets of sandpaper [wet/dry] = $20~
Sanding block = $1~
Air Compressor (Super Cheap Auto has these on special quite frequently with kits) = $150 - $300
Acrylic Clear 4L = $80~
Acrylic Primer 4L = $60~
Masking Tape [few rolls depending on how much you use] = $5 - $15~
Drop sheets = $5 - $10
Wax & Grease Remover 1-5L = $10 - $30

Optional:
Spray putty/High Fill = $15~/Can (Fixing small imperfections)
Bog/Filler = $15~
Applicator = $5~
Guide Coat 1L - $20~

Time: 1 Day ~ 1 Month

Weather - 24-30 degrees low humidity low wind

[Red_EG4]

An oven isn't required since you will be using Acrylic paint. Or you can hire out a booth and spray 2pak which is more expensive and requires more skill.
Where can booths be hired? just a general paint shop?

[EKVTIR-T]

PM Charliebrown re. spray booth

[Bludger]

PM Charliebrown re. spray booth
he can erect the correct setup quick smart.

[1900-hustler]

PM Charliebrown re. spray booth

this is true

he did work for me

highly recommended

[GSi_PSi]

1+ charliebrown, top bloke... resprayed my wipers in his specialised spray booth

[lilthug]

yep.. no job, too big or too small



great guy


sprayed my dc2r lip

[Winter]

i recommend you to use acrylic paint rather than 2pak

if you make a mistake using 2pak you can't really fix it cos you paint once and plus you need an oven spray booth

on the other hand with acrylic paint if you make a mistake i.e paint and it's drip shows you can use sand paper to fix it before using the final clear coat

also acrylic paint is cheaper

[Bludger]

i recommend you to use acrylic paint rather than 2pak

if you make a mistake using 2pak you can't really fix it cos you paint once and plus you need an oven spray booth

on the other hand with acrylic paint if you make a mistake i.e paint and it's drip shows you can use sand paper to fix it before using the final clear coat

also acrylic paint is cheaperWhy do it acrylic when charliebrown will do it for you in 2pak, cheap as fuk & properly in a proper spray booth.

[Red_EG4]

on the other hand with acrylic paint if you make a mistake i.e paint and it's drip shows you can use sand paper to fix it before using the final clear coat

why cant this be done with 2pak?

[mocchi]

i recommend you to use acrylic paint rather than 2pak

if you make a mistake using 2pak you can't really fix it cos you paint once and plus you need an oven spray booth

on the other hand with acrylic paint if you make a mistake i.e paint and it's drip shows you can use sand paper to fix it before using the final clear coat

also acrylic paint is cheaper

only for DIYs.

always choose urethane(2pack) paint whenever possible.
alot more durable than acrylic. you will be more satisfied in the long run.

+1 pm charliebrown for tupac paint job in spraybooth.


why cant this be done with 2pak?

harder to sand down and polish.
not saying it cant be done, just harder.

[trism]

Illegal to use tupac outside of a booth.

Just saiyan

[seancrx9]

Great info so far. I have PM Charlie Brown already.
Can anyone give me infomation of where to seek out advice and supplies for equipment, Paint etc specialiseing for Car resprays and DIY.
Preferably Westside.

Many thanks!

[mocchi]

Great info so far. I have PM Charlie Brown already.
Can anyone give me infomation of where to seek out advice and supplies for equipment, Paint etc specialiseing for Car resprays and DIY.
Preferably Westside.

Many thanks!

for air compressor if you havent got one,

should use 100+ltr tank, 3+ hp at least so you dont overwork the pump
invest in diesel/petrol pumps, you wont burn the motor quick.

electric pump usually burn out quick because your house power point does not have correct amp rate.
these electric pumps usually need 12-15amps, regular power point in homes usually have 10amps.

[Bludger]

for air compressor if you havent got one,

should use 100+ltr tank, 3+ hp at least so you dont overwork the pump
invest in diesel/petrol pumps, you wont burn the motor quick.

electric pump usually burn out quick because your house power point does not have correct amp rate.
these electric pumps usually need 12-15amps, regular power point in homes usually have 10amps.in other words, if you don't have all that's mentioned, PM charliebrown

[mocchi]

did a spray job few months back with charliebrown, top bloke gave me real good service. painted my gear knob and gave it a quick polish too afterwards. in the end I was happy.

[GSi_PSi]

1+ charliebrown also polished my knob free of charge

[grifty]

http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/holden-commodore-how-tos/76882-diy-painting-your-car-rollers.html

theres a DIY for you.

[89lude]

if you use 2pac solid colour you can fix up fuk ups easliy 2pac is easy to spray

[tiksie]

2pac sprayin bullets since 1995

[chocopie]

^lmzo.

[6-SpeedManual]

You can get a professional paint job in the backyard. it's not hard. you just need to take your time.



- Use 2pack paint if possible. the quality and durability is far superior than acrylic. despite what many say, 2 pack paint is no more harder to spray than acrylic nor is it any less forgiving with paint errors.

** if you get sags or runs in your clear, just wait until it fully cures and block sand them out with 1500 grit, then 2000, after buff. same procedure with fine dust or bugs.

** use a tack rag to catch dust and over spray between coats


- Buy a decent spray gun. 1.4mm tip for base/clear. 1.8mm for 2k primer. buy gun regulator and set to 35-40 psi.

** difference between low end and high end gun is bigger spray pattern, durability and spray quality straight off the gun.


- You can get away with a small compressor for backyard jobs. you can get the job done with a super cheap auto 2.5 HP 40 LITRE TANK. all you need to do is split the job into 2 or 3 parts. for eg. spray bonnet, fenders, bumpers today. tomorrow paint doors and trunk. then day after paint rest of body.


** just make sure it's the same batch of paint, same mixing ratio and similar temperature when spraying. or else the shade of colour may be different.

** Frequently drain the water out of compressor. use a water/oil filter, best spot to mount is 7-10 metres at the end of air hose.


- Base coat mixing ratio is always 50:50 or 1:1. for eg. if you have 1 litre of base, then you mix 1 litre of 2k thinner which then makes 2 litres of sprayable paint.

** Clear coat may vary. but usually 2:1 ratio. add 10 - 20% 2k thinner.

** Don't forget to use a paint strainer.


-When spraying 2pack, make sure you wear a respirator. NOT A PAPER DUST MASK!!! very toxic paint. use brand such as Sundstrom or 3M. make sure you don't have people around or any neighbours.

** check with your local council if spraying 2 pack polyurethane paint is allowed.

[mocchi]

poison in urethane paint can be absorbed through skin
and it will pass through your 3m half mask cartridge filters

need to have full face mask with positive air pressure, feeding oxygen to your full face.

was told by blackwoods salesman in vic. 3m mask distributor.

[Bludger]

inb4cancer

[6-SpeedManual]

poison in urethane paint can be absorbed through skin
and it will pass through your 3m half mask cartridge filters

need to have full face mask with positive air pressure, feeding oxygen to your full face.

was told by blackwoods salesman in vic. 3m mask distributor.

who said anything about a half mask? you should be wearing a full mask with A2 organic vapor cartridges with a compulsary particulate filter and a pre filter. limit your work to minutes not hours. and spray in a well ventilated area. if you have access to air supply respiratory system then by all means use it.

Panel beating shops in Australia use Sundstrom half mask when painting. so go figure. spray painting in general isn't healthy.


-Isocyanates and Filtering devices
www.srsafety.com/upl/files/5995.pdf

Sundstrom Website

[mocchi]

good info here guise

[Eg58yu]

Hey buddy I'm a spraypainter by trade and I do professional respays after hours all work gets done at my house than The car gets taking to a booth to get painted pm me If interested I change half the price a smash shop would =)

[seancrx9]

It would be good if you were in Melbourne though. Anyone elso.......

[seancrx9]

Hi Charlie Brown. Can you help?

[Parky]

Hey buddy I'm a spraypainter by trade and I do professional respays after hours all work gets done at my house than The car gets taking to a booth to get painted pm me If interested I change half the price a smash shop would =)

Mate can u clear your inbox. Im trying to send you a PM about the respray.

[grifty]

Hey buddy I'm a spraypainter by trade and I do professional respays after hours all work gets done at my house than The car gets taking to a booth to get painted pm me If interested I change half the price a smash shop would =)

Any pics of your work bud?

[tiksie]

who said anything about a half mask? you should be wearing a full mask with A2 organic vapor cartridges with a compulsary particulate filter and a pre filter. limit your work to minutes not hours. and spray in a well ventilated area. if you have access to air supply respiratory system then by all means use it.

Panel beating shops in Australia use Sundstrom half mask when painting. so go figure. spray painting in general isn't healthy.


-Isocyanates and Filtering devices
www.srsafety.com/upl/files/5995.pdf

Sundstrom Website

Suggesting that people use 2PAK at home is your first mistake.

[ruzty_08]

Hey guys, I decided to respray my car. I've already sanded it down and removed the clear coat. used filler on some deep scratches and dings.

The thing is I used Etch primer (didnt read the can properly) will this be fine to spray over? or will I need to sand it back down and use the correct primer?

or can I just lightly sand using 800g?? wet/dry then paint over?

[tiksie]

Etch primer would be fine to spray over.

Wouldn't hurt to give it a once over with normal primer though.

[ericl33]

Any pics of your work bud?
x2222

[6-SpeedManual]

Suggesting that people use 2PAK at home is your first mistake.

Please elaborate?

[trism]

because its illegal to, and looks shit without being baked in a booth.

[6-SpeedManual]

FYI I have personally contacted the EPA NSW on 3 occasions about spraying 2pack urethane at home. they advised me they do not regulate residental areas unless your running a business I.E painting on a daily basis. that i have to contact my local council to see if painting is allowed. So I called up my local Council, they told me painting is fine however if any of the neighbours complain then you must stop.

http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/epa/

[tiksie]

FYI I have personally contacted the EPA NSW on 3 occasions about spraying 2pack urethane at home. they advised me they do not regulate residental areas unless your running a business I.E painting on a daily basis. that i have to contact my local council to see if painting is allowed. So I called up my local Council, they told me painting is fine however if any of the neighbours complain then you must stop.

I'm not too sure if it still applies now, but 2pak paints and hardeners are usually sold to tradesmen only with ABN's and what not.

Spraying 2pak in an uncontrolled environment (read, uncontrolled temps) is pointless in the first place. How do you plan on baking it ?

Most DIY'ers at home should stick to Acrylic either way as it's easy to fix mistakes with.

If you want to paint 2pak, hire a booth and oven and do it properly.

I have contacted EPA aswell I guess I got someone else on the phone as 2pak urethane has pigments which **** you up silly.. So spraying it in an uncontrolled environment with overspray possibly seeping into your neighbours house and causing damage to their lungs will be in your hands to deal with.

Good luck.

[6-SpeedManual]

I'm not too sure if it still applies now, but 2pak paints and hardeners are usually sold to tradesmen only with ABN's and what not.

Spraying 2pak in an uncontrolled environment (read, uncontrolled temps) is pointless in the first place. How do you plan on baking it ?

Most DIY'ers at home should stick to Acrylic either way as it's easy to fix mistakes with.

If you want to paint 2pak, hire a booth and oven and do it properly.

I have contacted EPA aswell I guess I got someone else on the phone as 2pak urethane has pigments which **** you up silly.. So spraying it in an uncontrolled environment with overspray possibly seeping into your neighbours house and causing damage to their lungs will be in your hands to deal with.

Good luck.


My family friend is spray painter of 11 years. he's painted dozens of cars at home without a booth or oven and has got professional results. Again painting errors can be rectified in the base coat by 2000 grit sanding. clear coat errors can be wet sanded by a sanding block when paints fully cures followed by cut and polish.

If you read my first post. i said NOT to paint near neighbours or family members. For eg, If your little sister is in the backyard playing, would you start spray painting? i wouldn't think so regardless whether it's acrylic or 2pack paint is all toxic either way.

At the end of the day it comes down to common sense and proper judgement before spray painting. If you have access to a booth or proper saftey equipment then by all means use it. I'm only merely giving an alternative point of view.


I guess each to their own. Ta,

[tiksie]

Each to their own indeed.

But please; Don't compare acrylic to urethane as being 'all toxic either way'. Urethane is toxic in it's own class and I've experienced the effects of it first hand.

I would rather stick to advice from my teacher who taught for 55+ years than some guy on a forum. No offence by this either. I think it's clear cut.

If I was to do this again using urethane:


http://vimeo.com/22115356

I would be dying from itching myself to death from the urethane on my skin.

[6-SpeedManual]

Each to their own indeed.

But please; Don't compare acrylic to urethane as being 'all toxic either way'. Urethane is toxic in it's own class and I've experienced the effects of it first hand.

I would rather stick to advice from my teacher who taught for 55+ years than some guy on a forum. No offence by this either. I think it's clear cut.

If I was to do this again using urethane:


http://vimeo.com/22115356

I would be dying from itching myself to death from the urethane on my skin.


No offense taken whatsoever. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion :)

If i were to spray urethane i wouldn't be wearing a t-shirt, shorts and a half mask in a enclosed area lol