Vti-R turning off whilst driving, anyone have the ECU error codes?

[Chantelle]

Hey everyone, need help with my 94 vti-r. It just turned off whilst driving, have had the NRMA come take a look and he said its got no spark and a prob with either the distributor or coil.....just changed the coil...still not starting!!!!!

Have been trying to work out if it is the distributor or not...error code i get from the ECU is 1 long flash, 8 short flashes...this shows up as the abs blinking though...not the check engine light as i have read it should? I could be wrong but would really appreciate it if anyone knows what to do from here!?

[Chantelle]

okay so i figured out my abs needs fixing and that can't be why the car isn't starting? Does anyone have any other ideas? no check engine codes come on at all!

[Bludger]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2102616

[Chantelle]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2102616

link didn't work :(

[Bludger]

search "distributor"

threads started by "ECU-MAN"

in the "DIY" section

can't believe I'm spoon feeding you.

[altong0840]

ignition switch maybe?
your dash light on when you turn the key?

[Bludger]

ignition switch maybe?
your dash light on when you turn the key?

he said its got no spark

no...

[Lukey]

could be the icm in the dizzy?

[Zilli]

amazing how these are all coming up now... check my thread in the technical area

my dash lights do not come on at all even with the battery jumped... ive not had any time to look any further as im jammed with other stuff atm...

[Lukey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K78XIhhjAQ&feature=relmfu

[ECU-MAN]

check the ICM, its probably dead

[Super-DA9]

from my understanding ignition system is pretty much (forgive me if the order is wrong?)

Ignition Switch, Battery, Ignition Coil, Ignition Control Module, Distributor, Leads, Plugs.

Normally you just keep ruling them out one by one (in any order) until you find the culprit.

ICM and ignition coil are both part of the distributor so if you have cash to burn you could replace the entire distributor in one hit and rule out all three but it may be costly depending on where you go.

if you are getting a CEL look it up in google. one long flash plus 8 short ones would be code 18 yeah?

[Chantelle]

Thanks guys...thinking to replace the icm now....have replaced the coil, dizzy cap and rotor button and none have fixed it. Dash lights and electrics all come on. I get no error codes from the check engine light....18 was from the abs....so I'm worried that there is nothing wrong with the icm as I would get a code for that right?

[Chantelle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K78XIhhjAQ&feature=relmfu
Wow I wish I watched that a few days ago lol.

[ECU-MAN]

ICM will not always give you an error code in the ECU

[Chantelle]

ICM will not always give you an error code in the ECU okay great, will try that today

[Chantelle]

Just got a quote from Honda, ICM is $532 to buy and needs to be shipped from japan...all the other shops I've called can't get one much sooner and its still $300+ to get it off them....I'm worried to fork out all that much if it's not definitely the problem, anyone in syd with the same car and nice enough to let me borrow theirs to check if it works first??? Would really reallllly appreciate it! Can repay you in beer/alco or a diet/exercise plan if that's what you're into! (am an exercise physiologist/dietitian) :P

[DC2-PWR]

Go to repco there should be one available from $30-60 from memory, I replaced my mates one 4years ago and still working like new :-)

[Bludger]

Just got a quote from Honda, ICM is $532 to buy and needs to be shipped from japan...all the other shops I've called can't get one much sooner and its still $300+ to get it off them....I'm worried to fork out all that much if it's not definitely the problem, anyone in syd with the same car and nice enough to let me borrow theirs to check if it works first??? Would really reallllly appreciate it! Can repay you in beer/alco or a diet/exercise plan if that's what you're into! (am an exercise physiologist/dietitian) :P
mekong spares.

under 100 bux.

search google for address.

$30 icm's don't exist anymore.

[EKVTIR-T]

Surely one of the diy boys in sydney has a spare one laying around they can lend/sell to this dame..

[Bludger]

I have a spare one. Brand new.

need picture of your one and I'll tell you if it's same or not.

[Chantelle]

I have a spare one. Brand new.

need picture of your one and I'll tell you if it's same or not.

Perfect! I can come and pick it up tonight if you're in syd? I'll have to take a pic when i get home from work, can you pm me your mob number so i can send it to you? I'm not great at uploading pics....there's two hey? grey or black?

Yeah supercheap quoted me $330 ish......and I'm guessing repco will be more expensive?

[Bludger]

is it same?

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u19/bau_fug/IMG_20120314_153353.jpg

[Chantelle]

is it same?

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u19/bau_fug/IMG_20120314_153353.jpg

Not sure yet! working until 8 pm :( i will let you know as soon as i get home!

[ECU-MAN]

it will be the same

[DC2-PWR]

Yep all b-series b16/b18/b20 are the same

[Bludger]

mine's not from a B series

unknown.

spare a friend gave me. oem honda packaging.

[Chantelle]

sorry, crashed last night after work...mines not the same..numbers on it are MC-8541....grrrrr...also, have no idea how to take the ICM out of the car...anyone know???

[DC2-PWR]

Look up DIY for icm there's heaps around on google, or pm bludger I'm sure he can come over and do it for you ;).... :P

[Bludger]

http://www.sasareport.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/top-gun-wingman.jpg

[Chantelle]

Look up DIY for icm there's heaps around on google, or pm bludger I'm sure he can come over and do it for you ;).... :P

Lol that is not a bad idea...i think im going to fail big time trying to do this, just got the parts haha....home til 2 if anyone feels like helping :P

[Lukey]

its in the dizzy with the coil.

i think it shows how to remove it in the youtube video but im not to sure

[Super-DA9]

Lol that is not a bad idea...i think im going to fail big time trying to do this, just got the parts haha....home til 2 if anyone feels like helping :P

make sure that if you are removing the distributor to do this on a bench, you draw a straight thin line across the gap where the distributor meets the head so you can easily line it up again when you're done. don't wanna accidentally over advance/retard the timing haha.

[Lukey]

do you have to remove the whole dizzy to get the icm out?

[Chantelle]

do you have to remove the whole dizzy to get the icm out?

Nup :)

[Chantelle]

So it still doesn't start..........new coil, icm and distributor cap....wtf do I try next???

[Chantelle]

So it still doesn't start..........new coil, icm and distributor cap....wtf do I try next???

And new rotor button

[Lukey]

are you getting spark?

did you check to see if you were before replacing everything?

[Chantelle]

no spark...

[Lukey]

do you have spark at the coil like in the video?

[ECU-MAN]

does the engine lamp go out after 5 sec when you first turn on the ignition ?

[Chantelle]

Goes out after about 3 secs! Integra still sitting out the front of my place poor thing. Really want to sort it out over this weekend! Any help would be massive appreciated. Changed to date: rotor button, dizzy cap and ignition module.

[ECU-MAN]

so did you ever

- check the main PGMFI relay
- check for PGMFI codes
- check the coil and ICM

if so what where the results

[Chantelle]

so did you ever

- check the main PGMFI relay
- check for PGMFI codes
- check the coil and ICM

if so what where the results
Also replaced coil. Don't know how to check those things, checked for ecu error codes and nothing came up...only abs codes which were totally unrelated. What's the pgmfi?

[DC2-PWR]

^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F2OsgXmshI

[ECU-MAN]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?31796-DIY-Main-PGMFI-Relay-repair

[Super-DA9]

If you're still unsure what to do it may be a good idea to get someone with experience to have a look at it for you and diagnose the problem before piling any more cash into it.

[Chantelle]

Just checked the pgmfi, contacts close when they should...don't really have a few hundred spare atm to get someone tocome out here and not be able to fix it.

[Super-DA9]

well it sounds like you've checked everything in the ignition system and it all either checks out ok or has been replaced..

so you have apparently covered the common causes. time to move on to things outside the ignition.

could the fuel pump have failed/is failing? not sure if anything in the fuel system has been suggested yet..

[Chantelle]

Someone has suggested crank angle sensor and cam angle sensor....do these sound like viable causes? Fuel pump prob doesn't sound like it could be preventing spark at the dizzy?

[Super-DA9]

Someone has suggested crank angle sensor and cam angle sensor....do these sound like viable causes? Fuel pump prob doesn't sound like it could be preventing spark at the dizzy?

no but it would stop it from starting or cause it to shut off while driving..

so you're 100% it's getting no spark? or no power to the distributor? forgive me if I missed it but how did you check?

crank angle and cam angle sensors would cause problems if they went bad but I can't see how they would prevent spark either..

[Chantelle]

Nrma tested the spark for me when it first happened. Also Used a spark plug tester and did everything on the video someone posted a couple of pages back.

[Glocker]

new engine. kswap imminent.

[Fredoops]

new engine. kswap imminent.
Nah,
H-SWAP!


lol.
1 dude ask a question. 0 posts
1 chick asks a question. 5 pages

[Super-DA9]

Nah,
H-SWAP!


lol.
1 dude ask a question. 0 posts
1 chick asks a question. 5 pages

LOL this ^^

[Evok]

Engine immobiliser? Blown fuse?
Advanced your timing too much and fouled your plugs :)?

....Disconnect positive on battery and see if it sparks you?

[Super-DA9]

Engine immobiliser? Blown fuse?

actually, as simple as they are these are quite likely. I know that a failed immobiliser can cause this problem because it happened to my VTi-R ages back when I first got it.

+1 rep

[Chantelle]

All the fuses are fine, immobiliser wouldn't let the engine crank over (which it does), no spark BEFORE the plugs :( wtf its doing my head in!!!! Didn't think it would be this hard to solve!

[Chantelle]

LOL this ^^

Well chicks have no clue so we need 5 pages of help!

[Super-DA9]

well I think just about everything has been covered now. you might need to do some further testing to get more info before we can give anymore suggestions.

got any friends that can give you some hands on help with the car?

also for the record when my car had the immobiliser issue it was cranking over but not starting, not sure if yours worked the same though..

probably worth looking into if you dont have any other ideas..

[Chantelle]

Thanks yeah had 2 mechanics look at it last night with no success...sucks so much, has been a great car til this! No idea where to take it now! ? Can't remember the brand of alarm...I know that it won't even let reds come on if the immobiliser is activated..all the electrics are working fine, reds come on and it cranks over. Mechanics said they could smell fuel being delivered whn they were trying to get it going so not a fuel pump issue either!

[teaseR]

might be resolved but...

check the immobilizer on the key. that might be the problem. have you got a spare key to try this out? program on the key might have played up. it allows to crank but not to turn over.

[ECU-MAN]

might be resolved but...

check the immobilizer on the key. that might be the problem. have you got a spare key to try this out? program on the key might have played up. it allows to crank but not to turn over.

actually

post 1996 DC2 uses the IMMO-AO system, if the IMMO system cant read the key, No Cranking and No Injector Fire and Green flashing key on cluster. Defenantly no Cranking

a 94 VTiR will not have factory Immobiliser