DC2 with B16a2 gearbox

[DC28OY]

Hey guys just wondering if anyone has gone down this path by putting in a B16a2 gearbox in their DC2 ... Just wondering what are the pros and cons and whether you can feel the difference in acceleration and speed ... Any feedback would be much appreciated =)

[Bludger]

long gears.

changing from what box?

vtir box?

[DC28OY]

long gears.

changing from what box?

vtir box?

yup changing from the vtir box S80 =)

[Bludger]

pretty similar.

[DC28OY]

yea i guess not that much difference although it shud pick up speed quicker right?, and i wont have to worry as much about dropping out of vtec when shifting?

hmmm anyone else know much about this or have and first hand experience?

[EKVTIR-T]

http://www.ff-squad.com/tech/temp/Bgears.htm

http://sejalmadhubhai.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/thank-you-come-again.png

[DC28OY]

^^ Awesome thanks EKVTIR-T so in theory it shud be quicker with a b16 gearbox :D

[dougie_504]

^^ Awesome thanks EKVTIR-T so in theory it shud be quicker with a b16 gearbox :D

A little, yes.

Just make sure you don't go the other way around IE B18C2 or B18B/B18A box onto a B16A.

[Mikecivic78]

Hey guys just wondering if anyone has gone down this path by putting in a B16a2 gearbox in their DC2 ... Just wondering what are the pros and cons and whether you can feel the difference in acceleration and speed ... Any feedback would be much appreciated =)

As long as the gearbox you put in is in good working order, the only cons will be the engine revving higher (and being louder) at highway speeds.

The pros are better acceleration, as you can keep the engine in the narrow VTEC power band better than with the long gearing of your original DC2 box. B16a box is also cheaper than a type R box, but doesn't have LSD.

You should be able to tell the difference (i haven't compared personally tho) as it will be faster.

[GSi_PSi]

Yes its good upgrade, car has improved accelleration

[meatball]

Ive gone down this path, not in a dc2 though. It was in eg sedan i had last year. Acceleration is better then the s80 vtir gearboxes. U can also give stock dc2r's a run just to giggle lol

[Bludger]

had dc2 with built motor and b16a box.

rev from 3k to vtec engagement is like

waiting.................

waiting












waiting..........








wating.............


bababaabaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa vtec.

not worth the effort.

dc2r box all the way.

[GSi_PSi]

yeah compared to dc2r box, b16a will feel like that..


B18CR 4.7fd lsd Gearbock > B16A 4.4fd some lsd > B18C VTiR 4.4fd > B18A/B 4.2fd

[Bludger]

not worth it.

[GSi_PSi]

Yeah only if there is something wrong with ur gearbock i would get the b16, not just for the slight upgrade

[EKVTIR-T]

b16 box with aftermarket final drive still cheaper than type r and will be better-er


btw some good info here guys

[Bludger]

b16 box with aftermarket final drive still cheaper than type r and will be better-er


btw some good info here guys
will still be old Glove box

[EKVTIR-T]

Not really. Didnt say what year b16 :)

Could be a 00' b16a2 which in a 94 dc2 would be far newer :)

[gen2 CRX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqKqQMzWBJ8&feature=related

B16A ratios vs 98+ dc2r ratios... 96 spec dc2r and EK9 sport the same ratios as the the B16A box. I would get a type r box only because of the factory LSD.

[u mad?]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqKqQMzWBJ8&feature=related

B16A ratios vs 98+ dc2r ratios... 96 spec dc2r and EK9 sport the same ratios as the the B16A box. I would get a type r box only because of the factory LSD.

and the 4.7 fd

[gen2 CRX]

and the 4.7 fd

If you watch the video you will see down the quarter mile the difference is not that great

[DC28OY]

thanks for the input guys really appreciate it and now im sure its a good minor upgrade, picking up the b16 box tomorrow for a really good price thats why i might aswell do it over the ITR gearbox =) ... cant wait to see the difference =) thanks guys!!! :)

[mocchi]

good info here guise

[DC28OY]

awesome thanks alot guys , appreciate the feedback ... well im pickin up the b16 box tomorow really cheap so i thought i myt aswell get it for a minor mod for my car =)

[EKVTIR-T]

Update with feeling impression once you got it done and had a drive

[DC28OY]

Update with feeling impression once you got it done and had a drive

yep definately will, too bad it wont be in by wednesday because i was planning to run the car with my mates at WSID ,, i guess it'll have to wait a few weeks =)

[Bludger]

My last warning b4 you go ahead.

not worth it.

good luck.

excellent information here guise.

[DC28OY]

[QUOTE=Bludger;3287935]My last warning b4 you go ahead.

not worth it.

good luck.

yea i wouldn't of done it before but an offer came up and its pretty much a straight swap so ..... I thought i myt aswell do it since i wont be losing any money and will make my car abit faster ? so what do you think, should i still do it? :S

[Bludger]

could end up worse.

shit Glove box, whining and noise, crunch.

[DC28OY]

could end up worse.

shit Glove box, whining and noise, crunch.

hmmmm your making me think bludger, you are scarying me lol ... anyone else care to back up what bludger is saying ?? :S

[DC28OY]

hmm i really do like the dc2's short shift feel aswell :S

[Bludger]

hmm i really do like the dc2's short shift feel aswell :S
shift feel has nothing to do with type of gearbox.

[DC28OY]

shift feel has nothing to do with type of gearbox.

oh really ? my bad? so what explains the feel of shifting gears in my mates EM1 (b16 gearbox) as to my DC2 ?? just wondering

[DC28OY]

coz i noticed wen i drove my mates em1 the gears were alot further from eachother than my dc2 box making it alot easier for me to quick shift with my dc2 box, this was what i was referring too as having the short shift feel ....

[Bludger]

shift linkage and condition of the spring inside the gearbox.

[DC28OY]

shift linkage and condition of the spring inside the gearbox.

well im pretty sure it does still have something to do with gearbox, dc2 box has the short shift feel compared to the b16 .. because ive driven a few b16s and they all have the same shifting feel, also have driven a few dc2's and they all feel like mine aswell having the short shift feel ... so would u still say that it has nothing to do with the gearbox as a whole being put in??? coz if thats the case i hope i still have the same short shift feel as i have with my current dc2 box wen i put in the b16 gearbox.

[impossi13le]

if not, just get a short shifter kit. theyre pretty crazy - my mate got one fitted to his ek, and gears basically click into place haha.

As for gearbox issue, inspect it first. see whether all the components are still running right and not wearing out. the last thing you want to have is a loud and worn out input shaft bearing or some other issues (crunching gears etc) after all the work's been done and the g/box is in.

Im running a b16 gearbox on a b18 atm, you really go through the gears quite quick, as opposed to the b18c2 gearbox with longer 2nd and 3rd gear ratios. Whether that's a good or bad thing is up to you; i didnt like the idea at first but as i drove the car more it's actually quite enjoyable lol. Also the short shift feel is there, but not as evident as in a vtir/itr gearbox. Not 100% shure but bludger could be right - it may just take some replacement parts like shifter bushings etc to get that short feel going :)

[Bludger]

the condition, not the type.

[DC28OY]

if not, just get a short shifter kit. theyre pretty crazy - my mate got one fitted to his ek, and gears basically click into place haha.

As for gearbox issue, inspect it first. see whether all the components are still running right and not wearing out. the last thing you want to have is a loud and worn out input shaft bearing or some other issues (crunching gears etc) after all the work's been done and the g/box is in.

Im running a b16 gearbox on a b18 atm, you really go through the gears quite quick, as opposed to the b18c2 gearbox with longer 2nd and 3rd gear ratios. Whether that's a good or bad thing is up to you; i didnt like the idea at first but as i drove the car more it's actually quite enjoyable lol. Also the short shift feel is there, but not as evident as in a vtir/itr gearbox. Not 100% shure but bludger could be right - it may just take some replacement parts like shifter bushings etc to get that short feel going :)

Thanks mate this is a lot more helpful :) ... Yep thats what I was expecting , generally speaking the dc2 box has the closer shift feel compared to b16. Thanks mate this helped :)

[Mikecivic78]

if not, just get a short shifter kit. theyre pretty crazy - my mate got one fitted to his ek, and gears basically click into place haha.

As for gearbox issue, inspect it first. see whether all the components are still running right and not wearing out. the last thing you want to have is a loud and worn out input shaft bearing or some other issues (crunching gears etc) after all the work's been done and the g/box is in.

Im running a b16 gearbox on a b18 atm, you really go through the gears quite quick, as opposed to the b18c2 gearbox with longer 2nd and 3rd gear ratios. Whether that's a good or bad thing is up to you; i didnt like the idea at first but as i drove the car more it's actually quite enjoyable lol. Also the short shift feel is there, but not as evident as in a vtir/itr gearbox. Not 100% shure but bludger could be right - it may just take some replacement parts like shifter bushings etc to get that short feel going :)

yea, bludger is right. Things like worn selector and shifter bushes can make shifting crap.

Yes, you do through the gears faster with a b16a box because of the closer ratio's, but I had a b16a for ages and I personally found the gear ratios ideal for staying in the power band.

You can do your best to find a clean used gearbox, but its always a gamble. It could well be ****ed, and a rebuild will kill your wallet.

[Mikecivic78]

Thanks mate this is a lot more helpful :) ... Yep thats what I was expecting , generally speaking the dc2 box has the closer shift feel compared to b16. Thanks mate this helped :)

Ive driven both EK4/EM1 and DC2 and DC2 box does not have a better shift feel. Out of the factory they are much the same.

[GSi_PSi]

^ yup mike is right.

Depending on how well maintained and condition, the gearboxes should all be feel the same. After time the more a gearbox is thrashed it feels more lose and has play from left to right
The shifter bushings and shifter rod play a tiny role in how the gearbox goes into the gears ive noticed.. Its more to do with the actual gearbock

[Bludger]

well im pretty sure it does still have something to do with gearbox, dc2 box has the short shift feel compared to the b16 ..
yes, it has something to do with the glove box, not type of glove box. Meaning condition.

you're comparing things with too many variables.

[DC28OY]

yes, it has something to do with the glove box, not type of glove box. Meaning condition.

you're comparing things with too many variables.

ahks i get u now buddy, hmm well im going to be using my same shift linkage so it should feel the same as right? i hope so lol ... thanks mate :)

[JDMWheelImports]

ahks i get u now buddy, hmm well im going to be using my same shift linkage so it should feel the same as right? i hope so lol ... thanks mate :)

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[DC28OY]

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[chauster]

excellent information here guise. I wouldn't settle on anything for a standard box besides a dc2r box. Nothing else is worth it.