Cu2 Eibach vs King Springs

[08r3308]

Hi All

Does anyone know spring rates between two?
Im not sure if kings even make a set for CU2?
Lowering should be simular between the two?

[Tai]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?115946-CU2-Eibach-springs


I personalyl would go Eibach, but depends how low you want to go, each manufacturer has 2 x spring versions

[08r3308]

do not want to go too low , i want it to handle better and less gap between tyre and arch.

I was leaning towards eibach ones but wanted to find out spring rates and get few opinions from people that have either

[MR_LATE]

what about pedders coilovers??

[08r3308]

no pedders they are just average, and coil overs tend to be stiff.

had in my old cars never again, unless somehow coil overs for cu2 are as comfy as these springs will be ;)

[mrgu]

eibach>king

[tony1234]

Personally i wouldn't even consider King springs.Just get Eibach.You can't go wrong.As for coilovers on a CU2 don't even consider it.Too stiff.

[08r3308]

i wish if eibach had kit ready ( eibach springs + blistein shock) would be best choice but this way we have to wait i think till next year

so no one knows stock vs eibach spring rates?

[wolfwood_]

Can anyone recommend Cu2 08' Eibach Prokit to buy from?

[Tai]

JDM Yard

[ChaosMaster]

no pedders they are just average, and coil overs tend to be stiff.

had in my old cars never again, unless somehow coil overs for cu2 are as comfy as these springs will be ;)

Do Pedders do lowered spring/shock setup for CL9? Don't really want CoilOvers.

[Xplodin]

Personally i wouldn't even consider King springs.Just get Eibach.You can't go wrong.As for coilovers on a CU2 don't even consider it.Too stiff.

As Tony Said... Don't bother war Kings I've seen them sag the shit out of it meaning less life for your shockers. Eibach + Blistein. I got mine installed a while back and i absolutely love it... And its just about done 100K on the shocks and springs.

Before
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/Xplodin/P1000009.jpg

Install
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/Xplodin/P1000019.jpg

Install
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/Xplodin/P1000013.jpg

After
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/Xplodin/P1000030.jpg

The street was on a slope as well...


i wish if eibach had kit ready ( eibach springs + blistein shock) would be best choice but this way we have to wait i think till next year

so no one knows stock vs eibach spring rates?


I can't remember but it wasn't a massive difference but i did read it somewhere just can't remember when.

[Jccck]

Do Pedders do lowered spring/shock setup for CL9? Don't really want CoilOvers.


Dude.
Coilover, let's define it.
It's when the COIL (spring) is OVER top of the Shock (strut)
So, your car is standard with 'Coilovers' at all 4 corners.

Usually people think 'Coilovers' refer to ADJUSTABLE Coilovers, which is where the misconception of them being rough comes from.
Most Adjustable Coilovers are very stiff and uncomfortable at even the softest setting.

I've got Pedders Coilovers!
Pedders 'Comfort' Struts and Pedders 'Sports Ryder' Springs in my Accord.
Amazing setup, it handles extremely well.. And it's 90% as comfy as the standard suspension was.
I'd recommend this setup to any spirited driver who doesn't want a sore lower back every time they go for a spin.

[Xplodin]

Dude.
Coilover, let's define it.
It's when the COIL (spring) is OVER top of the Shock (strut)
So, your car is standard with 'Coilovers' at all 4 corners.

Usually people think 'Coilovers' refer to ADJUSTABLE Coilovers, which is where the misconception of them being rough comes from.
Most Adjustable Coilovers are very stiff and uncomfortable at even the softest setting.

I've got Pedders Coilovers!
Pedders 'Comfort' Struts and Pedders 'Sports Ryder' Springs in my Accord.
Amazing setup, it handles extremely well.. And it's 90% as comfy as the standard suspension was.
I'd recommend this setup to any spirited driver who doesn't want a sore lower back every time they go for a spin.

Don't Pedders use rebranded BC Racing Adjustable Coils?

[senna]

Yep, they sure do

[EKVTIR-T]

I thought they were DMS. Maybe thats the Extremes,cant remember

*checked the current Extreme and they do look like BC

The older ones were DMS afaik and cost close to 4k

[senna]

The best clue we got was when a local Pedders manager walked into our showroom and pointed to a BC coilover on display and said "Ah, you guys have some of our coilovers!"

Srs....even the stickers are the same, just whats printed on them is either Pedders or BC Racing.

[EKVTIR-T]

Yeah the current Pedders look like BC no doubt.

The Extreme my friend bought was some 5 years back and they were red and white repainted DMS.Similar to the ones used on the Pedders Evo 6
I have a feeling they were first editions and Pedders since went the cheaper route :p

[senna]

Thats pretty much it mate - they wouldn't have been able to justify the cost of the DMS to gain reasonable amount of retail sales - definitely not in Sydney anyway, the coilover market is down the toilet here - if you try to sell coilovers over $1500 you're pushing shi7 up hill...

[Jccck]

Yep, they sure do

Interesting to know!

So in that case, BC Racing make some amazing suspension.
Atleast for a CB7.. Lol

[LETZGO]

with that eibach and bilstein combo can you go quite low, for example where your car sits ( Xplodin ) can you sit the guard half way on the tyre another inch and a half and still have quite a comfortable ride? i know you would be guessing but is the ride you have now similar if not the same as a factory ride?

thanks

[MingZai]

D2 is not bad either... It's pretty much D2 vs BC when it comes to price... but more people use BC but D2 more cheaper...

[DreadAngel]

D2 have inadequate valving, spring rate usually far too high meaning they either bounce/float or smash down and hop giving minimal tyre/road contact making it dangerous =| I wouldn't go near them personally, I'd rather Bilstein/Koni shocks and whatever quality springs [Swift, Tein, RS*R, Eibach, etc].

"Coilovers" too stiff? You've been riding on incorrectly valved/sprung/spec'd ones ;)

Harshness of suspension comes down to the valving v spring rate. Most cheap/lower end products [Including the lower end JDM stuff] are underdampened and run too high spring rate. People think oh nice, hecktic spring rate but when they ride in it, basically they destroy their own pelvis thus think all 'coilovers' are too stiff. Try better offerings say Bilstein coilovers with their digressive pistons [better yet custom spec'd bilsteins by suspension specialist such as Wholesale Suspension or Heasman] it'll be firm but no harshness or jarring, instead your tires will have full contact on any tarmac surface [bumpy/broken or smooth] so you can go harder with confidence [matched with rest of your parts like swaybar, alignment, tires, etc] =)

[MingZai]

Just wondering have you used them personally?

Not meant to be having a go at you haha just asking...

Because theres actually a few Euros on this forum that did or still run with their D2's

[ericl33]

As Tony Said... Don't bother war Kings I've seen them sag the shit out of it meaning less life for your shockers. Eibach + Blistein. I got mine installed a while back and i absolutely love it... And its just about done 100K on the shocks and springs.

Before
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/Xplodin/P1000009.jpg

Install
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/Xplodin/P1000019.jpg

Install
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/Xplodin/P1000013.jpg

After
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/Xplodin/P1000030.jpg

The street was on a slope as well...




I can't remember but it wasn't a massive difference but i did read it somewhere just can't remember when.
LOL

Jeff's house.

naice mun

[senna]

Just wondering have you used them personally?

Not meant to be having a go at you haha just asking...

Because theres actually a few Euros on this forum that did or still run with their D2's

As a plain fact, anytime i've had anything to do with D2 coilovers, its been when we are pulling them out of a car after they have failed, 12months is the most we've seen them last.

[DreadAngel]

Just wondering have you used them personally?

Not meant to be having a go at you haha just asking...

Because theres actually a few Euros on this forum that did or still run with their D2's

All good man =) I should've elaborated in the first place, my bad XD

Had them on my EG, before had Koni Yellows & KG/MM Springs... The Koni Yellows & KG/MM walk all over them in any road condition. I wanted to give them a try, friend offered them for a crazy price unused and several OH members found them alright. I should've kept my old setup.

D2 no matter how anal I tried to adjust the dampers [I think it was Compression & Rebound were adjustable by a single knob? Or just Rebound can't remember] it was either floating/bouncing/rocking on softer settings or idiotic stiff on harder settings. I can take harsh but that was so bad, got rid of them after a few weeks and went onto Bilstein Shocks [Custom Spec'd] & Swift Springs, god they were nice. Yes they're not that free in height adjustment but honestly good selection of springs and shocks with the perches/circlip you won't need a threaded body to freely adjust your height. As for damper adjustment, unless they're quality products, you won't feel much difference say for a 30 step/click damper [1-8 9-17 18-26 27-30]. From memory my Koni's had 4 step? And my Bilstein iirc 5 step?, between every step you can feel a big difference and you'll find something just right for you.

Trust me, when you ride in the D2 equipped car then step out in jump into the Bilstein shock n springs like Xplodin's got. You will 95% of the time find the Bilstein/Eibach setup in this case will feel 'softer', rides better but handling will be even better because it doesn't scare you when you push, you maintain control over irregular surfaces etc. You don't need stiff spring rates to handle, just need the right ones with the right supporting parts ;)

Use swaybars along with PU bushing to control and minimise body roll and increase the amount of communication through your steering wheel and your butt on the seat. Using hella stiff springs to 'increase' your handling is silly, all it does is makes the car more twitchy and harsh not to mention gives the shocks a hell of a workout to dampen it.

[ChaosMaster]

Just thinking though, are the gaps in the front larger than those at the back? Just looking at Xplodin's pics, and the rear seems lower than the front even after lowering.

[tony1234]

All good man =) I should've elaborated in the first place, my bad XD

Had them on my EG, before had Koni Yellows & KG/MM Springs... The Koni Yellows & KG/MM walk all over them in any road condition. I wanted to give them a try, friend offered them for a crazy price unused and several OH members found them alright. I should've kept my old setup.

D2 no matter how anal I tried to adjust the dampers [I think it was Compression & Rebound were adjustable by a single knob? Or just Rebound can't remember] it was either floating/bouncing/rocking on softer settings or idiotic stiff on harder settings. I can take harsh but that was so bad, got rid of them after a few weeks and went onto Bilstein Shocks [Custom Spec'd] & Swift Springs, god they were nice. Yes they're not that free in height adjustment but honestly good selection of springs and shocks with the perches/circlip you won't need a threaded body to freely adjust your height. As for damper adjustment, unless they're quality products, you won't feel much difference say for a 30 step/click damper [1-8 9-17 18-26 27-30]. From memory my Koni's had 4 step? And my Bilstein iirc 5 step?, between every step you can feel a big difference and you'll find something just right for you.

Trust me, when you ride in the D2 equipped car then step out in jump into the Bilstein shock n springs like Xplodin's got. You will 95% of the time find the Bilstein/Eibach setup in this case will feel 'softer', rides better but handling will be even better because it doesn't scare you when you push, you maintain control over irregular surfaces etc. You don't need stiff spring rates to handle, just need the right ones with the right supporting parts ;)

Use swaybars along with PU bushing to control and minimise body roll and increase the amount of communication through your steering wheel and your butt on the seat. Using hella stiff springs to 'increase' your handling is silly, all it does is makes the car more twitchy and harsh not to mention gives the shocks a hell of a workout to dampen it.

As above.This man speaks the truth.Why would anyone put coilovers on a Euro??

[tony1234]

Just thinking though, are the gaps in the front larger than those at the back? Just looking at Xplodin's pics, and the rear seems lower than the front even after lowering.
It's an illusion.Wheel arches are lower on the rear than the front.

[EKVTIR-T]

kg/mm is jdm so when you use with koni of course it will be excellent.

You really cant compare with these d2 or other taiwan stuffs.

[DreadAngel]

Not really the point I'm trying to make =P

I'm saying that you don't necessarily get better performance by simply getting low end coilovers, its actually better to get a nice shock and spring setup =)

[senna]

If only more people would listen!

[ericl33]

If only more people would listen!
mate....srs'ly.


I reckon I would get more street cred if i told my mates I got coilovers....



mate - "what did you get?"
me - "spring & shock combo"
mate - "are you srs? why didn't you get coilovers?"



namsayin?

[senna]

Yup, street cred is where its at...

[curtis265]

Not really the point I'm trying to make =P

I'm saying that you don't necessarily get better performance by simply getting low end coilovers, its actually better to get a nice shock and spring setup =)

finally someone

[Xplodin]

Not really the point I'm trying to make =P

I'm saying that you don't necessarily get better performance by simply getting low end coilovers, its actually better to get a nice shock and spring setup =)

If there was a FB like I would like this post

[Rudy]

Dread angel is spot on in his post. I got some kw coilovers for sale (link in sig) if anyone is after something high quality.