Hondata FlashPro tested in CL9 Euro - it works !!! TSX 07-08 ECU required.

[vaikis]

As I finished my testings with FlashPro unit I can confirm that it works with our CL9 Euro (2003-2008 years) without any problems. What you need (same as TSX 04-06 owners), two items:

*Acura TSX ECU 07-08 AT or MT, depends what gearbox you have (possible to get used for 150 USD if you search hard)
*Hondata FlashPro unit for Acura TSX 04-06 (Marcus from Heeltoeauto.com can offer you)
Also Honda dealer required to pair you immo to new ECU (For CL9 euro 2006-2008 users OEM immo module works, didn't had a chance to test 2003-2005 but I believe that it will work also)
Hondata instructions: http://www.hondata.com/downloads/04-06_flashpro_adapter_cable_install.pdf

Starting from new Hondata FlashProManager V1.2.8 (beta) you can disable EVAP errors, so no more any "Check engine" lights in dashboard. Big Thanks for Doug that he made such option for us.
Benefits - you can tune your engine as you want, VSA works, Cruise control works, no any "Check Engine" lights in dash. Who are interested in engine tune it's mod number 1.
For me it's better solution then dual K-Pro setup (I had it before).
Ask questions if need help to setup or tune ;)

[roony]

awesome! hats off to you for seeing this through :)

[jian]

awesome stuff! how much did it cost all up?

[vaikis]

awesome stuff! how much did it cost all up?

all depends for how much you get TSX ECU - new from online shop ~ 450 USD, used from ~150 USD. FlashPro costs 754 USD from Heeltoeauto.com

[roony]

if I can get my hands on the used ecu, then gonna very hard to say no. Is tsx ecu in Canada the same?

[jian]

^ditto that. very very tempted. you did the install and tune yourself?

[dj_smiles]

booo.. i lost my cruise control with my hondata K-Pro

[vaikis]

if I can get my hands on the used ecu, then gonna very hard to say no. Is tsx ecu in Canada the same?

yes, same - but as I said you need ECU from AT or MT all depends what gearbox you have.
Part codes:
37820-RBB-A21 from 2007-2008 US TSX MT
37820-RBB-A71 from 2007-2008 US TSX AT

I think you are looking in TSXclub forum, right ? :D There is one guy who is selling ECU + FlashPro in Canada :)

[vaikis]

^ditto that. very very tempted. you did the install and tune yourself?

yes, tune still not final - I must redo my old K-Pro tune to FlashPro, it will take a little bit time for me :)

[adis]

So much rooting around!! Sux

[roony]

yes, same - but as I said you need ECU from AT or MT all depends what gearbox you have.
Part codes:
37820-RBB-A21 from 2007-2008 US TSX MT
37820-RBB-A71 from 2007-2008 US TSX AT

I think you are looking in TSXclub forum, right ? :D There is one guy who is selling ECU + FlashPro in Canada :)

yea had a look, but they are AT ones :(, need MT. Great price though

[Fredoops]

yea had a look, but they are AT ones :(, need MT. Great price though

LINK?!?!

lol im running AT.

[roony]

LINK?!?!

lol im running AT.

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-auto-parts-tires-auto-body-parts-Acura-TSX-ECU-2007-Working-condition-ready-for-Flashpro-W0QQAdIdZ355361890

might be gone already

[Fredoops]

Pretty sure this is the trad on Hondata.

http://www.hondata.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=13799

[vaikis]

Pretty sure this is the trad on Hondata.

http://www.hondata.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=13799

it's mine thread ;)

[roony]

it's mine thread ;)

u mentioned cruise control not working? that was fixed with V1.2.8 (beta)?

[vaikis]

u mentioned cruise control not working? that was fixed with V1.2.8 (beta)?

read all till end, cruise control works.

[roony]

yea i know it works, just curious if v1.2.8 was the one that made it work. thats all.

[Fredoops]

Fookin US wreckers refuse to ship overseas...

I WANT MY VETC AT 3000rpm DAMN IT!!! Lol

[roony]

if u find any let me know, I can try to source out a contact in the states who can ship to me (search for MT one :D)

[vaikis]

Fookin US wreckers refuse to ship overseas...

I WANT MY VETC AT 3000rpm DAMN IT!!! Lol

with N/A there is no point to lower more then 4000 rpm :) Our you will be using supercharger or Turbo ? :D

[vaikis]

yea i know it works, just curious if v1.2.8 was the one that made it work. thats all.

I think that from v1.2.7 my cruise control somehow started to work as it should ;)

[Fredoops]

... If the cruise problem was due to gear ratio.... Then wouldnt there be a risk that mine might not work, cause its an auto?

Also are we sure the ports will match up? Below looks like the TSX signal ports are different

http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=655839

[vaikis]

... If the cruise problem was due to gear ratio.... Then wouldnt there be a risk that mine might not work, cause its an auto?

Also are we sure the ports will match up? Below looks like the TSX signal ports are different

http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=655839

what ports ? All ports are the same as TSX 04-08 and Auto gearbox have same gear rations, doesn't metter if it's TSX or Accord Euro CL9 ;) My car is manual and one friend has auto, we both use FlashPro !!! All works as with OEM ECU, what else you want ? Reading old posts and searching problems which doesn't exists.... and how SAFC II is related with FlashPro, explain me ?

Fredoops start reading all from scratch and think logicly, sometimes it looks that you don't know what are you talking about.

[Fredoops]

what ports ? All ports are the same as TSX 04-08 and Auto gearbox have same gear rations, doesn't metter if it's TSX or Accord Euro CL9 ;) My car is manual and one friend has auto, we both use FlashPro !!! All works as with OEM ECU, what else you want ? Reading old posts and searching problems which doesn't exists.... and how SAFC II is related with FlashPro, explain me ?

Fredoops start reading all from scratch and think logicly, sometimes it looks that you don't know what are you talking about.


Srsly, I was asking a question not patronizing what you've said. Watch the tone.


My questions were precisely because I was following logic... The post on Hondata forums stated the cruise didnt want to work due to gear ratio, which is different between TSX and Euro, so was it illogucal for me to question whether the auto tranny has the same ratios between USDM and AUDM and whether it'd work?? Also the post re:VFAC2 was related to the pin out ports, since Hondata sells a special adapter for 04-05 ECU's was it illogical to question whether the pin out's would match for my 03 because it was even different among USDM's??

The more we assume we know the more we dont know, unless you have a EUDM/AUDM/JDM stand side by side and take it apart we wont know what else is different, for example, EUDM CL9's use Lucas Calipers while the rest of world uses Nissin, both called CL9, but you wont know till you take the wheels off.

[vaikis]

First of all read new posts, why to start from old ones which is not valid anymore ?
special adapter by Hondata is used for TSX 04-06 cars - I wrote in begining of this thread what you need *Hondata FlashPro unit for Acura TSX 04-06 (Marcus from Heeltoeauto.com can offer you)
So we use same kit, same special adapter must be connected. All ECU connectors and pinouts are the same between all TSX and CL9 euro cars, doesn't metter if it's auto or manual. You even thought how some of guys were using TSX reflashed ECU's by Hondata in there CL9 Euro ?
Here is Hondata instructions for TSX 04-06, which is also valid for Accord CL9 Euro:
http://www.hondata.com/downloads/04-06_flashpro_adapter_cable_install.pdf

[priom88]

As I finished my testings with FlashPro unit I can confirm that it works with our CL9 Euro (2003-2008 years) without any problems. What you need (same as TSX 04-06 owners), two items:

*Acura TSX ECU 07-08 AT or MT, depends what gearbox you have (possible to get used for 150 USD if you search hard)
*Hondata FlashPro unit for Acura TSX 04-06 (Marcus from Heeltoeauto.com can offer you)
Also Honda dealer required to pair you immo to new ECU (For CL9 euro 2006-2008 users OEM immo module works, didn't had a chance to test 2003-2005 but I believe that it will work also)
Hondata instructions: http://www.hondata.com/downloads/04-06_flashpro_adapter_cable_install.pdf

Starting from new Hondata FlashProManager V1.2.8 (beta) you can disable EVAP errors, so no more any "Check engine" lights in dashboard. Big Thanks for Doug that he made such option for us.
Benefits - you can tune your engine as you want, VSA works, Cruise control works, no any "Check Engine" lights in dash. Who are interested in engine tune it's mod number 1.
For me it's better solution then dual K-Pro setup (I had it before).
Ask questions if need help to setup or tune ;)

WHAT PERFORMANCE GAINS can be from JUST installing the TSX ECU on cl9 aus euros ?

[Fredoops]

^^^ nothing.

An it will give you a few check engine lights.

[vaikis]

^^^ nothing.

An it will give you a few check engine lights.

No more Check engine lights as Hondata fixed this for CL9 users.
What regards power you will get basically same results on pure stock CL9 Euro as with Hondata Reflash for TSX 05 - get rid of this nasty torgue and power dip after 5K rpm.

http://www.hondata.com/images/dynotsx-stock-vs-reflash.gif

[Stevil]

Top work Vaikis !

[vaikis]

Here is one more buget build which was done by my friend and tuned by me:
Honda Accord Euro CL9
Weapon-R Header
TSX 06 intake cam with VTC50 gear
RRC intake manifold
Short RAM 74mm Green intake
Acura TSX TB 64mm
Custom 2.5 inch single exhaust
ECU: Acura TSX 07-08 + Hondata FlashPro
Gearbox stock 6MT

Result 225 WHP and 250 NM at the wheels it was ~ 250-260 HP at flywheel !

http://s22.postimage.org/hxcjq9pgt/power.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/hxcjq9pgt/)

[Black Euro]

If you's want another option to buy products i.e. hondata or the tsx Ecu
check out Autofair Honda (I think they are UK based, I dont know the prices but e-mail them and they will reply promptly)
and shipping is cheaper....

[Fredoops]

Imma wait for ktune and see what they cook up

[Black Euro]

Yea that should be interesting to!

[vaikis]

If you's want another option to buy products i.e. hondata or the tsx Ecu
check out Autofair Honda (I think they are UK based, I dont know the prices but e-mail them and they will reply promptly)
and shipping is cheaper....

Autofair is not UK based but US ;)

[vaikis]

Imma wait for ktune and see what they cook up

Interesting how they add DBW support because it's not supported at the moment. Maybe after a year or more they will cook something.... Now best and tested solution is Acura TSX 07-08 ECU + FlashPro for CL9 Euro.

[Fredoops]

Interesting how they add DBW support because it's not supported at the moment. Maybe after a year or more they will cook something.... Now best and tested solution is Acura TSX 07-08 ECU + FlashPro for CL9 Euro.


The cost/benefit just isn't there.

Besides, I'm boycotting Hondata because of the whole Pgmfi.org drama.

Form get me wrong, 250hp from a n/a 4 banger is bloody awesome.

[vaikis]

The cost/benefit just isn't there.

Besides, I'm boycotting Hondata because of the whole Pgmfi.org drama.

Form get me wrong, 250hp from a n/a 4 banger is bloody awesome.

I agree that we need more tuning solutions, maybe prices will go down when Ktune offer soemthing new. At the moment there is only one option.

[CalebEuro]

So hang on... car noob comment incoming. To tune my ecu in my 06 cl9, I have to buy a 07-08 tsx ecu? and then flashpro?

[Fredoops]

So hang on... car noob comment incoming. To tune my ecu in my 06 cl9, I have to buy a 07-08 tsx ecu? and then flashpro?

yep, something like $1300 + tune

[vaikis]

So hang on... car noob comment incoming. To tune my ecu in my 06 cl9, I have to buy a 07-08 tsx ecu? and then flashpro?

Yes you need TSX 07-08 ECU and FlashPro as our ECU doesn't support CAN bus fully.

[Phoebus]

Call me a noob but am I to believe we can get over 30% more power just with a tune?

[CalebEuro]

Yes you need TSX 07-08 ECU and FlashPro as our ECU doesn't support CAN bus fully.
Ohk, Where can I buy an ECU and Flashpro?

[vaikis]

Ohk, Where can I buy an ECU and Flashpro?
FlashPro + ECU Heeltoeauto.com from Marcus
http://www.heeltoeauto.com/hondata-flashpro-04-08-acura-tsx-cl9.html
use discount code Acurazinerocks all package will cost 1235 USD without shipping.

[vaikis]

Call me a noob but am I to believe we can get over 30% more power just with a tune?

all depends on car mods, tune is a must for car with other camshafts, headers, intake manifolds and etc. Mount turbo without a tune and I get you +50% with a tune easy.

[Fredoops]

Ohk, Where can I buy an ECU and Flashpro?

$1250 USD
+
$100 intl courier shipping,
+
$80-160 for Honda dealer to recalibrate the immoboliser.
+
$500+ for a dyno tune (that was TodaAU's old rate before he left the business).

Valik here can do etune for you as we'll.

Either way you're not gonna see much change from $2000

[vaikis]

$1250 USD
+
$100 intl courier shipping,
+
$80-160 for Honda dealer to recalibrate the immoboliser.
+
$500+ for a dyno tune (that was TodaAU's old rate before he left the business).

Valik here can do etune for you as we'll.

Either way you're not gonna see much change from $2000

etune price range from $100-200, so 1250+100+80+100 = 1530 so still a lot of to go if you want reach $2000 :)
anyway if you have stock Accord CL9 and don't plan to install good header with ~200 cell cat (or testpipe) and intake system don't bother with FlashPro at all.

Fredoops - DC header is a crap even Hytech replica or Weapon-R Header (both of them comes with a testpipe) is much better in quality ;)

[Fredoops]

Fredoops - DC header is a crap even Hytech replica or Weapon-R Header (both of them comes with a testpipe) is much better in quality ;)

I knew all about WPR and PLM headers thank you very much, I was one of the fist on ere advocating them.

FYI, test pipe is a court order and $10-15000 fine in Australia. Enjoy.

The DC header does what I needed it do, the previous owner already had the flex pipe replaced. And I got it for cheap with the random tech cat.

[Black Euro]

No more Check engine lights as Hondata fixed this for CL9 users.
What regards power you will get basically same results on pure stock CL9 Euro as with Hondata Reflash for TSX 05 - get rid of this nasty torgue and power dip after 5K rpm.

http://www.hondata.com/images/dynotsx-stock-vs-reflash.gif

@vaikis
Is that with that just TSX ECU and flash pro? or with I/H/E ?

Regards

[Phoebus]

So what's the cheapest way to get a bit more power out of a stock Euro?

[Black Euro]

So what's the cheapest way to get a bit more power out of a stock Euro?

Depends how much power you want, and how much your willing to spend...

[vaikis]

@vaikis
Is that with that just TSX ECU and flash pro? or with I/H/E ?

Regards

Yes you will get such improvement only with TSX ECU and FlashPro on stock car as TSX or even CL9 Euro from factory has bad tune. Look at this dip before VTEC engagment.
Hondata allready made some good tests with different mods, you can read here:
http://www.importtuner.com/powerpages/impp_1205_2004_acura_tsx_power_pages/
http://www.importtuner.com/powerpages/impp_1206_2004_acura_tsx_part_2/

[Phoebus]

$1 for an extra 50 kw would be nice.
Seriously, whatever is best bang for $ up to about $2k

[Black Euro]

$1 for an extra 50 kw would be nice.
Seriously, whatever is best bang for $ up to about $2k

Well the thing is our cars arent like S13's or R33
you cant just put I/H/E and get like 20 - 30 KW.

And to put it simply, if you put I/H/E on our cars, it wont do much unless you do the tune (i.e. Flashpro)

For 2K your best to just get the Flash pro and the TSX ECU and also get the VTC cam gear you'll be looking at 175-180HP at the wheels
as shown above by vaikis....

[Phoebus]

And to put it simply, if you put I/H/E on our cars, it wont do much unless you do the tune (i.e. Flashpro)



Probably not really worth it. I suppose if I had wanted a more sporty car I should have got a Mazda MPS instead. I'm actually pretty happy with the power and performance of the stock Euro.

[Black Euro]

Give it a couple of years lol!
you will get bored of it...thats what happened to me lol!
if you want put a CAI on it, you'll get a bit of throttle response and that sound is always nice!

[Phoebus]

That looks like a simple enough mod. Looks like it's just an air filter replacement. How does it make the air intake "cold"?
http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?prod=69-0025TP
btw sorry for sidetracking this thread.

[Fredoops]

That looks like a simple enough mod. Looks like it's just an air filter replacement. How does it make the air intake "cold"?
http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?prod=69-0025TP
btw sorry for sidetracking this thread.

It sucks air from outside the engine bay.

[Black Euro]

That looks like a simple enough mod. Looks like it's just an air filter replacement. How does it make the air intake "cold"?
http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?prod=69-0025TP
btw sorry for sidetracking this thread.

http://www.heeltoeauto.com/tech-articles/engine/intake-shootout-04-08-acura-tsx.html

Have a read of that!

[mrgu]

Here is one more buget build which was done by my friend and tuned by me:
Honda Accord Euro CL9
Weapon-R Header
TSX 06 intake cam with VTC50 gear
RRC intake manifold
Short RAM 74mm Green intake
Acura TSX TB 64mm
Custom 2.5 inch single exhaust
ECU: Acura TSX 07-08 + Hondata FlashPro
Gearbox stock 6MT

Result 225 WHP and 250 NM at the wheels it was ~ 250-260 HP at flywheel !

http://s22.postimage.org/hxcjq9pgt/power.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/hxcjq9pgt/)


"TSX 06 intake cam with VTC50 gear"


I thought 50 is not safe

[Fredoops]

"TSX 06 intake cam with VTC50 gear"


I thought 50 is not safe


they use 50 degree VTC gear but only open it to 45 degree.

[mrgu]

Eitherway 2k so fkn dear...waiting patiently..lol

[axispower]

All up 2K for the TSX ECU and Flashpro choone?

http://i.imgur.com/5qOPW.gif

[vaikis]

With TSX 06 intake cam you can go even 50 degree and there will be no problem, I have tested this a few years ago.

[Black Euro]

Waiting and hoping that Hondata will release Flash pro that is compatible with our ECU and that way it will reduce a bit of the cost!

[axispower]

fred said something about that^ im not sure which tune specifically but he said to "hold your horses and your money" because there may be some development(s) for our ECUs on the way

[Fredoops]

Soon, sooner than you think./delete


EDIT: I am an idiot. Forgot to ask *for which euro* the new product was for........

[vaikis]

Waiting and hoping that Hondata will release Flash pro that is compatible with our ECU and that way it will reduce a bit of the cost!

it will never happen -CL9 Euro ECU and Acura TSX 04-06 ECU doesn't have full CAN BUS support. K-Line is too slow for programming and not reliable.
CAN speed is ~ 1,000,000 bits/second
K-Line uses only one wire and speed is ~ 10,400 bit/second.

I know that Hondata is working on CU2 ECU and FlashPro will be support it in near future ;)

[Black Euro]

oh wat thats just BS :(

[Fredoops]

All up 2K for the TSX ECU and Flashpro choone?



Looks like my $300 dollar piggyback is going in, the local flashpro is for the CU2 initially.......

[mrgu]

Phuckkkk

[vaikis]

piggyback is crap as it can't manage VTC properly ! And all power is made with right VTC angles in proper rpm ranges and load columns !
Some good news for first CU2 euro owners, works with OEM ECU:
http://www.hondata.com/flashpro_intaccord.html

[Fredoops]

^^^ yep native AUDM Flashpro is now avail from:

Revzone - VIC
INT DIST - NSW

CU2 only

[axispower]

is it possible to get the CU2 ecu + audm flashpro + immo etc. (whatever that is needed) for cheaper on the CL9? (or at all?)

[Fredoops]

is it possible to get the CU2 ecu + audm flashpro + immo etc. (whatever that is needed) for cheaper on the CL9? (or at all?)

Different setup and iirc different connectors

[mrgu]

Shouldn't be too far off with cl9

[Fredoops]

Shouldn't be too far off with cl9

did you check it out a bit more? cause I gave up

[mrgu]

I gave up man seriously

[vaikis]

In US junk yard we got used TSX 07-08 ECU for 250 USD with shipping to Europe. Anybody can find if search hard ! What point to use CU2 ECU in CL9 - nothing will work properly LOL !