Crx h22a

[RIHIA]

hi guys ive recently sold my s15 and have a bit of cash for my dream setup... a gen 2 crx with a torquey H in it.

as the s2000 is pretty much maxed out from factory, there is no point touching it so i found a crx and a healthy engine.

now i have researched a few mounting options for this conversion but would really like your opinions on what is best

ive narrowed it down to the explicit speed performance full kit and the bisimoto H2D kit

with the esp kit axles and shift linkages and shifter are required... approx $2k
the H2D kit will allow me to use the the drivetrain of the d series.... approx $1300

would like ppls thoughts on this, imo the esp kit seems like the proper way to go with the engine sitting flush inside the engine bay and allowing the bonnet to close fully and look stock

the custom hasport mounts that come with the bisimoto kit make the engine sit higher and require the bonnet to be raised up.

will be ordering asap so as soon as im happy with my decision i can start the build :)

[SLOBRO]

why not k20 or k24? or both lol

[lilthug]

both? one in the front one in the back?? 4wd?

[Bludger]

can you please post links to these kits.....

A lot of money for the kits and putting a h22a in a gen 2 is going to be tighter than a virgin's box.

Do you do alot of work yourself?

why not fabricate your own mounts, shift linkage etc.

[kyzz]

go k24

because jdm

and more torque lolz

[SLOBRO]

both? one in the front one in the back?? 4wd?

lmao by that i meant a frank motor (k20 head/k24 bottom end)

[davidvtec]

Why not go H2b?

[kyzz]

at first i was all like

http://bigmentaldisease.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/markus-boner.jpg

but now im all like

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/customavatars/avatar35105_10.gif

about this idea

[RIHIA]

http://www.explicitspeedperformance.net/ESPEFHF.html

http://bisimoto.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=5_51_54&zenid=9ge5bi3m2mfhp5qail6gjq0ko1

Already have the h22 and k series is just too expensive...
H2b would require gearbox axles shift linkages, I already have a motor in the crx so using the d series box etc will save me a bit of money.


I do a lot of work myself, but fabricating mounts is something I've never done before and this motor in an Ed is something that would need a lot of trial and error so buying a mount kit would be ideal

[Snoop_gee]

Hi Rihia.

There has been 1 H22a CRX that i know of and thats done by Online performance.
The h22a motors are relatively cheap but the harder part will be fitting it and alot tricker to have all options like A/C and powersteering.
not to mention the bonnet clearance.

http://www.onlineperformance.com.au/content/gallery/500tnAccessory_pics%20061.jpg

http://www.onlineperformance.com.au/content/gallery/500tnAccessory_pics%20057.jpg


http://www.onlineperformance.com.au/content/gallery/500tnAccessory_pics%20058.jpg

http://www.onlineperformance.com.au/content/gallery/500tnAccessory_pics%20056.jpg

yes - your right K-series is expensive.Not for the faint hearted.

[RIHIA]

There's a few around in America I think mostly... Video up on YouTube of a Ef sedan running a 13.2 and updated to a 12.7... So there's good potential in the d series box.

Plus the ESP kit is a 6-8 week wait as they are hand made on order

[simmy]

keen to see how this goes mate,

some good info here

[Bludger]

keen to see how this goes mate,

some good info here
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/customavatars/avatar448_8.gif

[shepparton]

if you are doing h2d, you should be using d series engine mount and choose the solid one if not it would break :D

[CRXDEL501]

Now we can compare eg vs Crx yeyyeeahh

[RIHIA]

Crx>eg :)

Will try to make a build thread but will see how I go...


And yeah they h2d kit comes with custom mounts from hasport :)

[CRXDEL501]

Crx>eg :)

Will try to make a build thread but will see how I go...


And yeah they h2d kit comes with custom mounts from hasport :)

There's no maybe about a build thread mate!

[Snoop_gee]

Crx>eg :)



i like this guy already.

[GSi_PSi]

Get JDM D15B lsd gearbox

[dc2r-0636]

You sold your s15 to muk around with n/a honda crap? Why?

[CRXDEL501]

You sold your s15 to muk around with n/a honda crap? Why?

Honda = reliability .... To some extent lol
This is just a project .
He also has an s2k

Unfortunately I did something similar, sold my dc2r to muck around with an eg
I miss that though...

[RIHIA]

You sold your s15 to muk around with n/a honda crap? Why?

yeah sold my built s15 to go back to the honda scene.... owned it for 4yrs and went from stock to a ground up built engine, was my dream car and did 90% of the work on it but it was the time for something new. had the s2000 and the s15 at the same time. but its like comparing chalk and cheese. s15 was nice very raw power but in the end the s2000 is just a better car overall !

dont know what background you have on cars but ive always been pro honda and vtec is still amazing to me after all these years haha

unsure why you would call it "honda crap"

[RIHIA]

Get JDM D15B lsd gearbox

know where i can source one?

[Bludger]

know where i can source one?
pm thesaint

he is d15b king.

[GSi_PSi]

You sold your s15 to muk around with n/a honda crap? Why?

sometimes people have a love for hondas which they cannot fill the gap with so they return

[shepparton]

my honda crap from the outside but it goes harder than s15

[CRXDEL501]

my honda crap from the outside but it goes harder than s15

H2b turbo?

[Snoop_gee]

You sold your s15 to muk around with n/a honda crap? Why?

this

http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll357/lem_evo/MELBOURNE%20JDMST%20EOMM%2031%20MARCH%202012/IMG_7221.jpg

perhaps i should mention that that dc2r is packin a k24.
i definitely know which 1 i prefer

[Bludger]

this

http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll357/lem_evo/MELBOURNE%20JDMST%20EOMM%2031%20MARCH%202012/IMG_7221.jpg

perhaps i should mention that that dc2r is packin a k24.
i definitely know which 1 i prefer
sup with your k24, how's it going?

[CRXDEL501]

this

http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll357/lem_evo/MELBOURNE%20JDMST%20EOMM%2031%20MARCH%202012/IMG_7221.jpg

perhaps i should mention that that dc2r is packin a k24.
i definitely know which 1 i prefer

Lol :(

[dc2r-0636]

Don't wana spam, but c'mon you can't be serious...

It's still a fwd.. And still non turbo.

Spend 15k on a honda to get 160kw atw
Spend 3k on s15 to get 200kwatw with more torque.

[RIHIA]

my honda crap from the outside but it goes harder than s15

Unless you have cut the eg's weight in half there's no chance you would have kept up with mine ;)

[RIHIA]

I received emails from both ESP and bisimoto today:


Hello, thanks for the inquire.* We use the H22 transmission with our kit not H2B or H2D they are totally different swaps with different tilts and engine position.* H2B or H2D will not clear stock hood and will need atleast our Alternator Kit 1/2" Over either H or D and our EF H/F Traction Bar System to complete the swap.* With H trans it sits like it is suppose to and clears stock hood.* Difference between H22 trans and a shorter geared B GSR trans is about*3-4 tenths in the 1/4 mile anything can make that up.* Usually recommend H2B or H2B for drag and H trans for street/strip.* Thanks-John
*
www.ExplicitSpeedPerformance.net
*
In a message dated 4/1/2012 6:26:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, g.a.kokoris@gmail.com writes:
Would you be able to supply a kit for use with a h2d kit? I've been looking around and seems like a better way to go about this conversion than to use custom axles etc... Do you know of any downside to this ? I'm feeling like your kit is the better way to go with this but just unsure...

.....................

Greeting's George,

Thank you for the email correspondence. A*DOHC H/F-Series Engine will require spacing the hood up for clearance. If you are utilizing a SOHC F-Series it will clear. Feel free to make your purchase online or give us a call at the facility when you are ready.*

We look forward to assisting you with your performance goals.

Have a great day!*

Best,
Janet Ruvalcaba

Janet Ruvalcaba
1916 S. Lynx Pl
Ontario, CA 91761
PH: (888) 922-6686*
F: (800) 526-0779
www.bisimoto.com

This email is the property of Bisimoto Engineering This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer immediately. Thank you.



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Message from Bisimoto Engineering Store
From: George Kokoris <g.a.kokoris@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, March 30, 2012 11:08 pm
To: "<janet@bisimoto.com>" <janet@bisimoto.com>

Sounds good il grab the alternator bracket and crank pulley as well... Ive done a bit of reading and seems like the bonnet will be hitting the top of the engine... Is this correct? And also do I order through your website? Thanks*





To me this looks like ESP are just making me buy there standard kit and don't really wanna help me with the h2d which is understandable but they didn't answer my question if there was any downside to doing the conversion with the bisimoto kit so I'm thinking it's just as good of a kit maybe better seeing as I don't have to weld in any brackets and bisi mentioned the issue with bonnet clearance without hiding that fact... What do you guys reckon ?

[RIHIA]

Don't wana spam, but c'mon you can't be serious...

It's still a fwd.. And still non turbo.

Spend 15k on a honda to get 160kw atw
Spend 3k on s15 to get 200kwatw with more torque.

Like I said man you can't compare the two... Totally different platforms and fun in there individual way... Gonna be wierd going to fwd again though lol

[84AAP]

Iv got a H2B in an EG, and it is very tight. Bonnet brackets needed to be lifted about half an inch. u can barely notice that the bonnet is lifted when its closed anyway.

Also, dont want to be a spammer, but, the power you get out of a type r b series box is incredible. the best gearbox to use on any car in my opinion.... more expensive, but worth it. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread, interested to see how everything goes. Good Luck with build mate.

[84AAP]

ask h2b owner, if they ever got beaten on the street. i would say rarely, unless we are talking about my civic vs full modified s15 here
my civic still got weight wit stock h22 not turbo, not modified with broken mount and not tuned.

AGREED! I've only been beaten once and that was a killer of a supra. plus i wasnt catching any grip on street tyres (8inch) from 1st through to 3rd. and standard b series drive shafts that just cant handle the power...

[shepparton]

Unless you have cut the eg's weight in half there's no chance you would have kept up with mine ;)

o yeah ef/crx chasssi should be lighter than eg no doubt

[shepparton]

AGREED! I've only been beaten once and that was a killer of a supra. plus i wasnt catching any grip on street tyres (8inch) from 1st through to 3rd. and standard b series drive shafts that just cant handle the power...

buy good set tyres bro, most yanks still using stock drive shafts and they said hav no problem with it so do i

[84AAP]

Yeah, gota get my hands on some semi slicks. money is all i need. lol. I dont know what it is, but I keep on splitting my CV boots. I ended up getting a set of new b series shafts from benson at BYP Sydney. they're suppose to be strong. getting them put in in 2 weeks actually. cant wait! also gota get a new ecu. I got chrome which is locked to somebody in sydney or someshit like that. duno much about ecu's...

[RIHIA]

Lol crxdel501 can vouch for my s15 that I built.... Funny you can say otherwise looking at your 1/4 time...

But anyways back on topic!! I need to order this ASAP, can't stop thinking about it lol
And yeah I think I should be fine running the d series axles unless I'm gonna boost it !

Need your thoughts on which kit to order...

[shepparton]

Yeah, gota get my hands on some semi slicks. money is all i need. lol. I dont know what it is, but I keep on splitting my CV boots. I ended up getting a set of new b series shafts from benson at BYP Sydney. they're suppose to be strong. getting them put in in 2 weeks actually. cant wait! also gota get a new ecu. I got chrome which is locked to somebody in sydney or someshit like that. duno much about ecu's...

the passenger side driver shaft cv on the gearbox side?

[CRXDEL501]

Stay on topic guys. Here to help out rihia

[shepparton]

Lol crxdel501 can vouch for my s15 that I built.... Funny you can say otherwise looking at your 1/4 time...

But anyways back on topic!! I need to order this ASAP, can't stop thinking about it lol
And yeah I think I should be fine running the d series axles unless I'm gonna boost it !

Need your thoughts on which kit to order...

i think only bisimoto selling h2d kit, you have to do more research about the bonnet clearance if you wanna keep your car regoed.

[CRXDEL501]

i think only bisimoto selling h2d kit, you have to do more research about the bonnet clearance if you wanna keep your car regoed.

Raising the bonnet is illegal?

[Snoop_gee]

here is a mount kit by ESP
http://explicitspeedperformance.net/myPictures/IMG_1657.jpg


go for it (h22a swap) for the fact no1 to date has 1, that is street registered CRX.
Sure there is b20's, turbo D and turbo b's. But to own something as unique as this would be RAD. :cool:

here is a few CRX h22a swap that are using the ESP mount kit

http://myimages.bravenet.com/347/171/808/1/IMG_1185.jpg

http://explicitspeedperformance.net/myPictures/YCrx.JPG

http://explicitspeedperformance.net/myPictures/H22ACrx12.JPG


Also you will need a bracket kit for a D or H alternator.

D alt kit
http://explicitspeedperformance.net/myPictures/IMG_1662.jpg

H alt kit

http://explicitspeedperformance.net/myPictures/IMG_1660.jpg

[shepparton]

yup you wont pass blue slip if you raise your bonnet up wit gap, unless you make custom one and fully enclosed

[CRXDEL501]

here is a mount kit by ESP
http://explicitspeedperformance.net/myPictures/IMG_1657.jpg


go for it (h22a swap) for the fact no1 to date has 1, that is street registered CRX.
Sure there is b20's, turbo D and turbo b's. But to own something as unique as this would be RAD. :cool:

here is a few CRX h22a swap that are using the ESP mount kit

http://myimages.bravenet.com/347/171/808/1/IMG_1185.jpg

http://explicitspeedperformance.net/myPictures/YCrx.JPG

http://explicitspeedperformance.net/myPictures/H22ACrx12.JPG


Also you will need a bracket kit for a D or H alternator.

D alt kit
http://explicitspeedperformance.net/myPictures/IMG_1662.jpg

H alt kit

http://explicitspeedperformance.net/myPictures/IMG_1660.jpg

It will be getting done snoop don't worry
Rihia is my mate, and I know how much of a nut he is hahahaha
So this h22 is going in, he doesn't have the car and engine for no reason!

[RIHIA]

yup you wont pass blue slip if you raise your bonnet up wit gap, unless you make custom one and fully enclosed

I was thinking this could be an issue... But getting a road worthy wouldn't be a problem just staying clear from obvious defects is something I want... I was thinking if it's possible to raise the front fenders it would hide the fact the bonnet has been altered

[84AAP]

I was thinking this could be an issue... But getting a road worthy wouldn't be a problem just staying clear from obvious defects is something I want... I was thinking if it's possible to raise the front fenders it would hide the fact the bonnet has been altered
It doesnt really matter if you bonnet is raised, it is not that noticeable..


the passenger side driver shaft cv on the gearbox side?
Yeah mate, thats it!

[Snoop_gee]

which state in Aus is this CR-X and coversion taking place @ least..
can i get in on the action?

[RIHIA]

brisbane :)

so i think the h2d is the way to go... will be ordering the kit tomoro !

[CRXDEL501]

which state in Aus is this CR-X and coversion taking place @ least..
can i get in on the action?

In Brisbane snoop

[Snoop_gee]

dammit. I havent been to that part of town in awhile.
excited progress guys as it happens.

[RIHIA]

Ordered the
H2D kit
Balance shaft elimination kit
Alternator relocation kit
Crank pulley
Clutch kit

And thought I'd treat the s2k to a new clutch kit :)

[EKVTIR-T]

which state in Aus is this CR-X and coversion taking place @ least..
can i get in on the action?

What do you mean get in on it?

Into the engine bay while the motors removed?

[Snoop_gee]

hahaha yeah. that too and take pics and what have you.
When the old engine comes out to put a different/new engine is the best. !

[Bludger]

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u19/bau_fug/snoop.jpg

[CRXDEL501]

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u19/bau_fug/snoop.jpg

You've been a bit quiet today .... LOL

[RIHIA]

How do I upload images on here ???

[CRXDEL501]

How do I upload images on here ???

Upload image to www.lunapic.com

Then you go through and there is an option to upload to web.
Then when you post, click go advanced and there is an image thing next to where like bold and stuff is then copy link in there and it will work
Hopefully that makes sense brah

That's how i do it anyways

[Bludger]

How do I upload images on here ???
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?40478-How-To-Post-Pics

[CRXDEL501]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?40478-How-To-Post-Pics

Lol I decided not to spam because rihia is actually my best mate haha

[Bludger]

Lol I decided not to spam because rihia is actually my best mate haha
now now.

no discrimination to others, just because they are you your friend.

Everyone deserves to be treated the same here.

[CRXDEL501]

now now.

no discrimination to others, just because they are you your friend.

Everyone deserves to be treated the same here.

Definitely
Not disputing that
Haha

[54VVA]

lol, do you want me to upload a pic for you ;)

[hayashi_1986]

go k24

because jdm

and more torque lolz

Not much more torque.
K24:
Torque: 164.5 lb·ft (223;N·m) @ 4500 rpm (Accord variant: EURO, JDM EURO).

H22:
161.50 ft·lbf (218.96 N·m) @ 5,500 rpm (JDM blacktop H22A OBD1).

I've got the Avid mounts in my EG setup with a H22A. The engine has no tilt and no bonnet clearance issues. What it DOES have is clearance issues due to the height of the sump compared to a D or B series. Sit's further to the passenger side. Kit allows retention of PS and AC too if you want to keep the D series AC. Innovative bracket should do but you have to buy the CRX specific one. The EG one will not mate up with the CRX AC compressor. This might not be applicable as your car is a CRX, and most of my info pertains to owning an EG.

[~Sp33~]

Don't you have to notch the block to fit the driveshafts using a D series box on a h22? Has someone found a way to get around doing that?

[shepparton]

Not much more torque.
K24:
Torque: 164.5 lb·ft (223;N·m) @ 4500 rpm (Accord variant: EURO, JDM EURO).

H22:
161.50 ft·lbf (218.96 N·m) @ 5,500 rpm (JDM blacktop H22A OBD1).

I've got the Avid mounts in my EG setup with a H22A. The engine has no tilt and no bonnet clearance issues. What it DOES have is clearance issues due to the height of the sump compared to a D or B series. Sit's further to the passenger side. Kit allows retention of PS and AC too if you want to keep the D series AC. Innovative bracket should do but you have to buy the CRX specific one. The EG one will not mate up with the CRX AC compressor. This might not be applicable as your car is a CRX, and most of my info pertains to owning an EG.

i think he is trying to do h22 with d series box, not exatcly like yours

[grifty]

Don't you have to notch the block to fit the driveshafts using a D series box on a h22? Has someone found a way to get around doing that?

I think the Bisimoto kit came with an adaptor to retain the d series mid shaft.

I would love to see someone that has done it with the 4WD gearbox, but i heard you have to cut some of the block :(

[~Sp33~]

I don't think that retaining the mid shaft will help:

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r307/dohcdx3/IMG_20120404_195629.jpg

[GSi_PSi]

Why would you want to put a gay ass d series box anyway ?. I know h series boxes are shit but there is fd upgrades and some come with LSD..
Why not go for the b series box conversion.

[~Sp33~]

You can put lsd's in the d series gearbox, and you can pick up a whole gearbox for practically nothing

[pat88c]

Love you idea od the H swap And do h2d sounds good idea to keep the cost down few Thousand dollors too

I would go the H2B as the b series box has better gear ratio's, stronger driveshafts and LSD option that bolt in for very cheap but see the point of going d series box look below

But going d series box in ed9 will be hell of alot cheaper to get the thing running, You may not have good ratio, you may not have lsd but on the plus side not Hydro clutch piping and master cylinder

I say once you got the thing runing enjoying it abit too start serching for another Gen2 DOHC L3 box get Mfactory gearset and LSD, Will like be 2-3k gearbox but will bw loads of fun
Or just buy Mfactory LSD put in for just under $1k

http://www.teammfactory.com/helical-lsd

look forward to some update on your progress

[Snoop_gee]

Bump wats happening with this mang?

[CRXDEL501]

Bump wats happening with this mang?

D series is out!

Some parts arrived from the states

It's in progress lol

[RIHIA]

Lil update guys... Just putting the box onto the block
Need to grind a fair bit off the back for the mid shaft to fit, hopefully be putting the engine in this weekend :)

After that its sorting out the bonnet clearance issue... I'm thinking about spacing the mounts so the engine sits a lil lower but we will see how it goes with the hasport mounts as is

[CRXDEL501]

Lil update guys... Just putting the box onto the block
Need to grind a fair bit off the back for the mid shaft to fit, hopefully be putting the engine in this weekend :)

After that its sorting out the bonnet clearance issue... I'm thinking about spacing the mounts so the engine sits a lil lower but we will see how it goes with the hasport mounts as is

saturday?

[Snoop_gee]

This is what its all about being outside the mould excited to how it looks in the bay as for the money shot can u also incl. A side on 1 to see how high up it sticks out from the fender line!

[RIHIA]

so didnt get home early enough today to grind the block, hopefully tomoro...

snoop... i removed the butterfly valve from the intake manifold for added hood clearance now its just the valve cover to deal with. ive had thoughts of spacing the mounts so the engine sits lower, i think this will work fine and still have heaps of ground clearance as the engine sits high already ! just have to keep an eye on axle alignment

[dougie_504]

Can you space the hood so it sits higher, or remove bonnet webbing?

[Snoop_gee]

Mightymouse (k26 gen2 CRX) i believe are selling bonnets also.
That may help. The main question there is how much is it $$$

[RIHIA]

I know of a cf sir style hood to fit aus crx for 600 but running a cf hood or cutting the webbing is a noticeable defect... Trying to keep it streetable and defect free as possible.

Can space the bonnet... I would like to space it 1 inch max, http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6093/6311023032_5325bbd1c1.jpg this is with the butterfly valve in the IM and there is no chance of it latching so hopefully with mine removed it will just need a slight raise to clear the VC

Also going to look at raising the latch/rad support to gain a lil clearance in the front

[pat88c]

Oh crap that high cap than I though it would be

Could you post a pic of side view of the car bonnet area and pic of engine bay?


Is there can chance your modifed the IM or custom using stock IM runners
Just idea

[Snoop_gee]

so your sayinh this is not streetable?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/383448_349080668476240_106653786052264_959888_7461 73408_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/530071_349080698476237_106653786052264_959889_1584 957486_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/405028_349080808476226_106653786052264_959892_1001 271075_n.jpg

Your in Qld their in QLD.
trail fit the bonnet if it works order it up. They'll make it fit to the stock latch. Its even an Si as well.
Paint it up to the stock burgany colour and your done.

[RIHIA]

Oh crap that high cap than I though it would be

Could you post a pic of side view of the car bonnet area and pic of engine bay?


Is there can chance your modifed the IM or custom using stock IM runners
Just idea

That's not my car... Just another with the same kit over in USA... In that pic he was running the butterfly valves so mine will be lower significantly.

Will try and position the motor in the bay tomoro night if I have time/cbf..

Can't stop thinking about LSD but i will see how bad the open diff is before I plunge into it

[Snoop_gee]

Can't stop thinking about LSD but i will see how bad the open diff is before I plunge into it

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0909/over-the-counter-lsd-dramamine-hallucinations-demotivational-poster-1251922290.jpg

[na-118]

americans love the h series, check out my build thread h22a in a eg, was a pretty much 2 cables before i got it started but due to personal reasons had to scrape it

[hanzzi]

Bringing up on old thead but are there any updates?