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[tegstar83]

Hey whats up yall?

I was talking to this guy the other day who recons a ITR is not worth it :thumbdwn:

now I recon thats bull, but he was saying that cause of the exaust ports that it loses power. I didnt know what he meant by this so Ive come to the knoledge base.
By the way this guy drove a Vtir turbo'd with 134kw at the wheels.

So any suggestions on what is meant by this and is there any truth to it??

[lerroy]

Hes jealous he wants a type r haah

But personally how can it not be worth it ? Recaro seats Upgraded suspension Pull more power than a VTIR and has a higher redline
if that aint worth is i dunno

You would need to spend serious money on a VTIR suspension to get it up to par with a Type R

[poweredbyhonda]

At the end of the day the Type-r will bust any Vti-r in standard trim.

Quote:
Extensive modifications of the cylinder head were undertaken improve performance. This also involves hand-polishing of the intake and exhaust ports near the valve seat area. In addition to hand polishing the ports to improve flow, special lightweight intake valves are also fitted. These valves feature a thinner shaft to reduce weight and increase flow. The head of the valve is also lightened to further reduce valvetrain weight. These modifications net a 12 percent weight reduction of the intake valves, allowing the engine to rev higher. These lighter intake valves help extend the rpm range of the Type R engine by an additional 200 rpm.
Hand-polished Intake and Exhaust Ports:
• Intake and Exhaust Ports are hand-polished near the valve seat area to improve air flow
• Originally only two of the best mechanics at Honda port and polished the manifolds by hand. At this time only 25 engines a day could be created. During the last several production years 5 mechanics have been working full time on port and polishing in order to increase production.

So your freind has 134 at the wheels hey? That's why he thinks the Type-r's are slow. They own in N/A form though. Tell your freind that I'll chew his vti-r in my vti-r anytime.

[type one]

ITR is a great car out of the factory - it is a honda special.

tell your friend he is a knob.

[qup70c]

Umm I think the bloke wants to know where the exhaust port thingy is true or not......so could someone explain please. :D

And on the topic of the itr sussy setup, would i be stupid to chuck on a pair of coilovers (say omnipower ones) since i want to go lower?

[tinkerbell]

there is NOTHING wrong with the exhaust ports, lol!!!!

[tinkerbell]

And on the topic of the itr sussy setup, would i be stupid to chuck on a pair of coilovers (say omnipower ones) since i want to go lower?

well, i installed a set of Cusco Zero2 coil-overs on my 98 VTiR and beat nearly all the ITR's at a track day at Wakefield, with fully stock B18C2 engine with only a cat-back, rear sway bar and Toyo RA1's :thumbsup:

so if you wanna upgrade your sussy, you should get properly adjustable (damper rate) ones while you are at it ;)

[GReY_CVC]

i have a VTI-R myself if i have moe money for sure i would buy the ITR... damn bewdiful seats ...handling.. and the R stickers.... heuheuheuheuh ...im so jealous of my mate he has one.. n mine is shit all compared to him... i dun have the guts to run him... heheheh save the embarrasment...

[vtir22]

he obviously doesn't appreciate the more finer things in the typeR then. Things such as the higher body rigidity, lighter weight and 16kW extra from engine tuning. All for the same price?!? Can't have too much respect for a person who's wacked a turbo on a VTEC. Defeats the purpose of VTEC.

And Tinks aren't RA1's semis?! In my experience, Tyres and Suspension are *by far* the most effective modifications you can do to a stock car for track work. If you exclude the driver that is. I learnt that was VERY much the case even for a 'straight' track like Calder. Considering similar driver, a semi slicked VTiR vs street tyred Type R, my money is on the semi slicks. :D

And Nice coilovers btw!

[tinkerbell]

that's why i listed them as mods ;) but i was not the only one there with semi's

some the other ITR's were running RSV01's, D01J's, DZ02G's and some were on high performance street tyres...

and i am not bragging, i am just really suprised at how good the stock DC2 chassis actually is.

i was running no 'real' strut braces, and had no other sussy mods besides a bigger rear sway bar.

i personally belive that Honda's 'modifications' to the DC2R chassis stiffness are negligible in effect, and that just leaves the seats and engine, well the seats are worth it, but if you can pick a pair up for $1500, then you are still in the low $20k mark after you put JDM coil-overs on and a set of type R brakes ($600)...

and as has been proven by slowvtec and otehr VTiR owners, with just a few modifications, yu can get type R beating performance with out turbo.

BUT you have to mod and mod and mod... so if you wnat performance out of the box - Type R is the way to go!!!

but if you love to mod - like me, then VTiR is best value for money...





(and just as an aside - a turbo NEVER defeats the purpose of VTEC!!!)

[LO_N_SXC]

If any body knows it's sure to be Tinker! he aint never lie!

[tinkerbell]

If any body knows it's sure to be Tinker! he aint never lie!

careful!

most of my post was just my opinion!

but thanks for your support ;)

[qup70c]

Thanks might look at a set of 2nd hand zeals, teins or cusco's, save some dosh :thumbsup:

[pornstar]

tinker is ghey, but i agree with him, vtir isnt that far from type r

[Speeder]

In respect, I know a few people that doesn't think Type Rs are anything special, but I dont really care, everyone has different views about cars. Especially the holden/ford fans who warships pushrod V8s. But I dont have a problem with that, I would love to own a V8 once in my lifetime....maybe not the pushrods though :p

[nipnip]

too many differences between vtir and type r if you ask me, so not going to bother listing. girl at my work has a vtir for sale with mugen kit and cat back exhaust, was convinced of buying it... untill i took a type r for a spin

and no, its not just the recaro's. its the all round package provided by the revised handling and power delivery

[tegstar83]

Exactly what I was thinking type r's rule and ahve amazing characteristics.
If I had payed more attention when I got finace for my car at the end of 03 I would have gotten a R straight away+ I was soooo close to getting an R at start of year but lost my job and all savings I had done to get ur.
God damit I wanna blow up my old work place, ****s :(

[ginganggooly]

depends on what you're after. i view the type-r as a perfectly good car from the factory, so why would i go and spoil that beautiful balance by sticking my own crap in?

i've always felt that if you want to butcher your car, changing factory components (which you're paying good money for in a type-r) then you'd be better off with a cheaper civic or integra and spending the difference in modifications. you'll never get type-r envy though...

[quangsta]

not only is it the seats, da lightened and hand polish eingine but you have to remember that the gearbox aswell...the type r gearbox to my knowledge is alot stronger, has better gear ratio and has a better diff then the vtir which is essential to getting the power to the floor wen its needed...im a newbie so yerr mb im wrong....

[tinkerbell]

not only is it the seats, da lightened and hand polish eingine but you have to remember that the gearbox aswell...the type r gearbox to my knowledge is alot stronger, has better gear ratio and has a better diff then the vtir which is essential to getting the power to the floor wen its needed...im a newbie so yerr mb im wrong....

for a newbie you know how to say the right thing the right way :thumbsup:

dont forget the awesome R brakes, also one of the first things i swapped onto my VTiR...

[type one]

OH HOW I MISS THOSE BRAKES....

brakes are fantastic... and the gearbox wasn't shabby either.

[JUNDC2]

For months, i've been reading this forum, and as always i want to say something, but i have nothing to add... i can't hack it any more... so there... my totally useless addition to this forum.
But speaking of keeping Type R's stock, wouldn't you want to at least add some tone to the vtec going off with an air filter? After sitting in a type r with one... my one without one just doesn't sound as nice...

[tinkerbell]

just take the air-filter cover off if you want some VTEC noise!

wont help performance, but hey - it sounds awesome.

glad i could assist you on your virgin post ;)

[ginganggooly]

just take the air-filter cover off if you want some VTEC noise!

wont help performance, but hey - it sounds awesome.

glad i could assist you on your virgin post ;)

may aswell go the whole hog and make a cardboard airbox like me :)

[SiR JDM]

The ITR is a quality car. Not saying the vti-r isn't, but in comparison the R just has so many subtle differences that are just awesome.

Ive driven many hondas, including ITRs and VTi-Rs and if you have the extra money the ITR is well worth it over the vti-r imo.
Like with nearly every other post on here, it all comes down to what a person wants.

For me tho.. the ITR is a superior honda car ... has a great setup...

[jnc]

ill second that :D