Which R?

[nicholas R]

hey everyone,

i recently had to write off my DC2R audm which i loved and would love to get another type r.

my options are another DC2R jdm front conversion (jdm og would be nice), DC5R audm or an EP3R JDM.

does anyone have any suggestions to which car is overall better? Love the look of all of them, so hard to choose. are there any pros and cons of any of these cars? does one stand out more than the other?
is the EP3 better since the motor/car got built in Japan?

if anyone could shed some light would be much appreciated.

Thanks

[EKVTIR-T]

dc2r - overpriced
audm dc5r - shit
ep3r - good value

[simmy]

Depends on which you like the most,
The jdm ep3 will give you the most power output because of dat jdmk20,

Not much people have ep3s so you may consider it. Ep3 fast and zippy, have a read of johnos ep3 buying guide. Very similar cars, the dc5 and ep, both two doors and both.

Nowadays hard to find a dc2r audm that's clean and not thrashed, but that's with most Hondas lol. Also hard to find a. Jdm dc2, my friends got one and it's mint as, I wouldn't jdm swap a dc2 though, better off going for the newer stronger and better

Regards,

Ryan.

[amant02]

Would recommend the ep3 over the other cars based on year of the age of the cars, its really bang for your buck!

But then again dc2r has been the best affordable honda in my books, by far the best honda i have ever driven, its really the drivers car.

[davidvtec]

I'd probably go for the DC5R as personal preference cause it looks good/modern and drives better when modded. Looks more aggressive than EP3. EP3 would be the fastest out of the bunch cause it does have the JDM k20, but IMO the shape looks ugly and looks like every other EP3 on the road.. so it probably wont stand out. DC2R you already know what it feels like cause you had one.. so why choose an older car? Get the newer ones !!

My advice is dont rely on our comments to decide your car. Get out there and test drive them both to know what it feels like driving one before you make your OWN decision on one.. but to answer your question, I'd definitely pick the DC5R over the two purely because it looks SO much better when modded..

Hope that helps

[Indie]

dc2r - overpriced
audm dc5r - shit
ep3r - good valueI'd agree with this. DC2R has held its value, so you're paying a lot of money for a car with high kms. The DC5R just isn't a great car. It doesn't look good, in my opinion, and it's no DC2R to drive.

The Civic is quick, more modern, it drives nicely, and a JDM model would be cool. Value, too.

[manolii]

Keep ur options open you might prefer an EP3R and find a very clean low km JDM DC2R or JDM DC5R, at the end of the day its ur choice, ur the one driving the car

[GSi_PSi]

^ lol at finding JDM DC5R

[TGW92]

dc2r - overpriced
audm dc5r - shit
ep3r - good value

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to EKVTIR-T again

:p:p:p

[dc2r-0636]

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[manolii]

^ lol at finding JDM DC5R

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/honda-integra-2002-12074689?base=1216&vertical=Car&eapi=2&Page=2&sort=Year&cr=15&__N=1246%201247%201252%201282%204294965322%2042949 65105%201216%204294739803&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,Max~0.5

[junoki]

ooOOoo thats madd... ^

[GSi_PSi]

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/honda-integra-2002-12074689?base=1216&vertical=Car&eapi=2&Page=2&sort=Year&cr=15&__N=1246%201247%201252%201282%204294965322%2042949 65105%201216%204294739803&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,Max~0.5

1. Very unrealstic to suggest JDM DC5R, as even in the ad it says,its the 2nd JDM DC5R in australia
2. Price range is way above his budget if hes considering those other typeR's im assuming
3. Location ,Western Australia
4. Nice find

[shepparton]

NOTE: This is a JDM model and so its spec is much different (LIGHTER, MORE POWERFUL, BETTER GEARBOX, BETTER BRAKES, BETTER WHEELS, BETTER ECU etc) compared to the equivalent Australian model.

if i m collector i dont have to read his notes off course i like to own one, but if i want to save money i can spend less than 30k to beat this jdm people vehicle and so lol at better wheels

[GSi_PSi]

well the better gearbox, better ecu is kinda confusing

gearbock is the same, but ecu i guess allows more revs than the audm cause of the jdm k20a

[ericl33]

I would buy it, just for the fact it's jdm.

[simmy]

I would buy it, just for the fact it's jdm.

Jdm, you dont understand

[mugen_ctr]

well the better gearbox, better ecu is kinda confusing

gearbock is the same, but ecu i guess allows more revs than the audm cause of the jdm k20a

different ecu tune, since they run RON100 fuel, an we run at highest RON98...

Same deal with all imports from japan.. ADM will always be detuned for various reasons, and have lesser power and spec/trim levels


I would buy it, just for the fact it's jdm.

JDM holds better trim and spec levels so yes it would be the pick, but if ur just in for the jdm fan boi wank factor, than u need to go back to skool to finish vce!

[ericl33]

JDM holds better trim and spec levels so yes it would be the pick, but if ur just in for the jdm fan boi wank factor, than u need to go back to skool to finish vce!
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yep, i need to go to SKOOL

[nicholas R]

thanks so much for all the feedback everyone. i do agree with the DC2R being over priced at the moment since i can spend a few hundred more and get a newer model that will also most likely have less K's done on it.
can anyone please explain why the DC5R's AUDM are shit? ive seen good reviews on DC5R. are they talking purely about the JDM DC5? if so what is the difference that makes the oz DC5R so shit?
is there anything bad about an EP3R? are the tegs better in any way taking cosmetics out of the picture. im purely in it for quality. i already had the looks with my jdm converted DC2R.
from what i have gathered, people are telling me the JDM EP3R is the go. would any of my other options (tegs) be better in performance or handling in any way?

[NeedVtec]

get a Type Ryan.

[DTN]

DC5R would be my choice out of the 3... or a jdm dc2r if its genuine

[dougie_504]

EP3R, anything made in the generation after that just gets too heavy without extra power to compensate.

DC2R is my personal choice of your options. True sports car, classic looks, best handling etc. love it. Go Phoenix yellow for once lol

[mocchi]

buy eg6 sirs and swap b18c7
nice daily

jdm dc2r looks real nice though

[Indie]

EP3R, anything made in the generation after that just gets too heavy without extra power to compensate.

DC2R is my personal choice of your options. True sports car, classic looks, best handling etc. love it. Go Phoenix yellow for once lolTrue sports car = RWD.

[TranceZiggy]

I would personally love a DC5R, it's probably what I'll get when I finish my traineeship. I'll be keeping the EK, though ;P.

I love the look of the DC5, But are the AUDM R's really that bad?

And I'm inclined to go with the DC5 'cause I think it's time I stepped up to something a little more modern, especially after driving a '88 & '91 Laser, then the 97' EK. Nothing wrong with the EK, of course, hence why I'll be keeping it ;)

[aRze]

Depends on what you want to do.

In terms of power there's not much in it once the EP3 and DC5 get their bolt-ons + tune (if you plan to do this).

You'll have less exterior options with the EP as opposed to the DC5.
EP3 has that beautiful engine :D
EP3 can be had for pretty cheap nowadays are there are quite a few on the market.
DC5 interior is a little bit more modern.

If you're critical of steering feel, the DC5 will win you over because it's got hydraulic steering. Nothing wrong with the EP's though, very accurate, but to some it lacks feedback.

Also, due to the EP's design, you can't fit very wide wheels + low offset. 17x8 +35 (roughly) or so is probably the widest you can go with no poke without running camber.
EP3, in my experience. ZERO cop attention. They don't look twice, because it looks like a breadvan :P

If you're after an EP3, be sure to read the buyer's guide, will take just a few minutes and is very helpful:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?157318-Guide-EP3-buyers!

[dougie_504]

True sports car = RWD.

Are you suggesting that the DC2R isn't a true sports car?

[CrystalSkull]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n122/happysad_2006/LE/Famous/cutthroat.jpg
this one.

[JDM EP3]

Depends on what you want to do.

If you're critical of steering feel, the DC5 will win you over because it's got hydraulic steering. Nothing wrong with the EP's though, very accurate, but to some it lacks feedback.

I have noticed this with the EP3 how you somehow feel a little disconnected from the steering feel


EP3, in my experience. ZERO cop attention. They don't look twice, because it looks like a breadvan :P



Lol!

[dougie_504]

I have noticed this with the EP3 how you somehow feel a little disconnected from the steering feel

I feel this way about most cars after year 2000 :(

[ericl33]

I feel this way about most cars after year 2000 :(
I have 2001 dc2r :(

[Swaggasaurus]

Breadvan :thumbsup:

http://svammelsurium.blogg.se/images/2011/drogo_ferrari_250gt_swb_breadvan_1962_27_139345813 .jpg

[Indie]

Are you suggesting that the DC2R isn't a true sports car?Yes.

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[tripleuse]

if i m collector i dont have to read his notes off course i like to own one, but if i want to save money i can spend less than 30k to beat this jdm people vehicle and so lol at better wheels

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[Forbiddenoob]

I've JDM front DC2R. I love it waiting for K20 :)

[TGW92]

I have 2001 dc2r :(

Lol then you are exempt from feeling disconnected from the steering feel :p

[Evok]

IMO EP3 .. you won't get stupid problems in future cause its still so new :)

[amant02]

Yes.

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Guessing you havnt driven cars to its limits to know the differance mate.

[Indie]

Guessing you havnt driven cars to its limits to know the differance mate.Wow, just as I read this comment, an ad came on TV for the new 3 series, and the announcer said "a true sports car, with rear-wheel drive and 50-50 weight distribution..." Honestly, at the exact moment I read your comment, his voice was saying that. It was almost as if a higher power was agreeing with me.

FF with a 62-38 weight distribution? A sporty hatchback, yes, but not "a true sports car".

[EKVTIR-T]

Are you suggesting that the DC2R isn't a true sports car?


Yes.


FR with a 62-38 weight distribution? A sporty hatchback, yes, but not "a true sports car".

As much as it pains my ego,I have to agree here

A fwd can never be a true sports car,regardless of performance

[NeedVtec]

As much as it pains my ego,I have to agree here

A fwd can never be a true sports car,regardless of performance

i agry

[Indie]

As much as it pains my ego,I have to agree here

A fwd can never be a true sports car,regardless of performancePrecisely. I'd even go so far as to say that something like a WRX, while it is a performance car, can't really qualify as a "true sports car" either. That's a bit muddier, though.

[EKVTIR-T]

Evo and wrx/sti arent sport cars either. Theyre performance cars based on econo sedans

[GSi_PSi]

Also have to admit , Rear wheel drive turbo cars are way more exciting to drive , damn you Honda why must you be cheap and make all the type R's excluding nsx-r fwd ?

AWD for grip, RWD for slip , FWD for groceries


Notsrs

[4age8u]

Evo and wrx/sti arent sport cars either. Theyre performance cars based on econo sedans


No there a road going rally cars..
Rules of rally back in the day meant they had to make road versions of thier rally cars.. Hence why old wrxs 94-96 ran a Td05 which was huge! Later when they changed the rules they only ran a td04 :) because they didn't have to make road going versions anymore

[trism]

the technical term is homologation

[TGW92]

Wow, just as I read this comment, an ad came on TV for the new 3 series, and the announcer said "a true sports car, with rear-wheel drive and 50-50 weight distribution..." Honestly, at the exact moment I read your comment, his voice was saying that. It was almost as if a higher power was agreeing with me.

FR with a 62-38 weight distribution? A sporty hatchback, yes, but not "a true sports car".

Isn't DC2R FF (front engine, front drive)???

Or have i got this whole FF/FR/...... thing wrong :p

[Indie]

Isn't DC2R FF (front engine, front drive)???

Or have i got this whole FF/FR/...... thing wrong :pNo, you're right mate, I typed FR by mistake. Wishful thinking. :P

[89lude]

Dc5 sucks! :p Driven many mates modified dc5 on mountain and track. And I've got a dc2r and an ep3, the ep3 is nice cause it doesn't understeer and can lift off oversteers so is still quite fun to drive but that doesn't change the fact that it still feels lazy like the dc5 compared to my dc2. And about the power anyone saying a dc5 and ep3 with mods are equal my stock ep3 was side by side with mates dc5r with ihe kpro and tune. So pretty sure with mods to my ep3 itl win for sure! So ep3 if you just want factory value but turbo dc2 or k swap would be best!

[ericl33]

out of affordable car suspension design that I've laid eyes on.

mx-5 takes he cake.

remember, this is only what I've laid eyes on.

[chauster]

Ek9 jdm broooo. True sports car nomsayin'

[EKVTIR-T]

No there a road going rally cars..
Rules of rally back in the day meant they had to make road versions of thier rally cars.. Hence why old wrxs 94-96 ran a Td05 which was huge! Later when they changed the rules they only ran a td04 :) because they didn't have to make road going versions anymore

Hi,thanks for chiming in.
Actually they went to a tdo4 due to customer feedback.People dont like lag so they went the smaller turbo

The tdo5 isnt that big but did lag on the stock ej20 and regular Joes dont like that.

Your story sounds cooler though so keep telling it to the guys at the pub :)

Regards,Ryan

[chauster]

Dc2= girls car
Dc5 = girls car
Ep3= oversized jazz, girls car
Ek9= sex machine

[mocchi]

Dc2= girls car
Dc5 = girls car
Ep3= oversized jazz, girls car
Ek9= sex machine

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/dramatic%20look/grand/pug-dog-dramatic-look-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-183.gif

[ericl33]

Dc2= girls car
Dc5 = girls car
Ep3= oversized jazz, girls car
Ek9= sex machine
gay sex?

[YeahByuddy]

out of affordable car suspension design that I've laid eyes on.

mx-5 takes he cake.

remember, this is only what I've laid eyes on.

hey do you ever see hyundai genesis? this one will be better i think if you try it

[Jalanelle]

hey do you ever see hyundai genesis? this one will be better i think if you try it

Can you please tell me more about this Hyundai Genesis, I would really appreciate any effort you could make.

You work for Hyundai correct? Are you able to send me some brochures?

Please do so, I'm very keen to find out more.

My details are as follows.

Jalanelle Hilbers
Unit 3, 1 Yale Close
Abbey WA 6280
(08) 97201027


Thanks in advance, i wish I could return the favor somehow.

[amant02]

I agree performance cars in RWD are more exciting outa all people i know this lol. But the dc2r my god If the nsx wasn't soo pricey it would rate 2nd on my list of honda's, DC2R BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK HONDA FOR HOONS!

And how dare you compare a BMW to a honda, BMW is just perfection!

And lol at the guy above me puts out his address on a public forum lol

[GSi_PSi]

who the hell gives you rep points

[dc2r-0636]

As I said on the first page, get a s15.
Look on carsales they're going for the same price as dc2r's....

Rwd + turbo = fun

[Jalanelle]

I need information on Hyundai genesis.

[amant02]

who the hell gives you rep points

Ya i been wondering the same thing lol. And who the hell takes my points away! i needs to sell some parts, dads giving me the shits about the spare parts in the backyard. How do get the points that do really matteR?


I have bought heaps of things from this site, its not like Im dodgy in real life just online lol.

[curtis265]

Ya i been wondering the same thing lol. And who the hell takes my points away! i needs to sell some parts, dads giving me the shits about the spare parts in the backyard. How do get the points that do really matteR?


I have bought heaps of things from this site, its not like Im dodgy in real life just online lol.


you already have memebership

lookat your userCP and you can see who's been negging you

[Indie]

As I said on the first page, get a s15.
Look on carsales they're going for the same price as dc2r's....

Rwd + turbo = funYeah, my plan is to hang onto my Teg until I can afford a decent S15, which will see some occasional soft track use. I'd be happy to hang onto that for years, I reckon, gradually modding it.

[tripleuse]

s15s are a joke.

[dc2r-0636]

Lollllllll^

N/a is a joke

[Indie]

s15s are a joke.The only thing a joke has in common with a turbo RWD coupe is that they'll both put a smile on your face.

[GSi_PSi]

The s15s are common .

fixed

[tripleuse]

^ hahahah

[rhys.l]

s15s are a joke.

Haha.

There seems to be a group of people on this site who think the s15 is some sort of legendary car. And I bet the majority of them haven't even drive one. Especially back to back with a quality fwd like the dc2r. If you want to rip skids and look like a bogan get a s15. If you want something that handles from stock, get a dc2r

[dc2r-0636]

First time I drove my cousins 201rwkw s15 I thought that it was a good fun car. I jumped in my dc2r and it felt like the biggest torque less pos ever.

Then he got abit of work done n had 266rwkw and jumped back into my car and thought it was a even bigger pos

[curtis265]

Haha.

There seems to be a group of people on this site who think the s15 is some sort of legendary car. And I bet the majority of them haven't even drive one. Especially back to back with a quality fwd like the dc2r. If you want to rip skids and look like a bogan get a s15. If you want something that handles from stock, get a dc2r

i spy a fanboy

dc2r's a well engineered machine from stock, and i'd have it over a stock s15..

but u chuck 5k of mods on each car.. and it's s15 easy

[rhys.l]

I've owned both cars personally.

Depends what you want out of a car guys. Obviously if it's power at the wheels you are chasing, the s15 is the better option. I don't think anyone is disputing that. But last time I checked there is more to a car than this...

Course this is all just my opinion. I find it interesting when there are these discussions everyone is just like 'get a s15'. I would say 'drive a s15' in the manner you like to drive cars and then make up your own mind

[Indie]

Haha.

There seems to be a group of people on this site who think the s15 is some sort of legendary car. And I bet the majority of them haven't even drive one. Especially back to back with a quality fwd like the dc2r. If you want to rip skids and look like a bogan get a s15. If you want something that handles from stock, get a dc2rThe DC2R is a nice car stock, but if you want to see any sort of meaningful gain in power, you're much better off with an S15. Both have their purposes. I will say that there's a reason that people get excited about the BRZ/GT-86 and Hyundai Genesis. People want RWD coupes.

Calling the S15 a bogan car is like calling a Type R a ricer car, i.e. stupid. Especially considering the fact that I don't exactly see many bogans driving them over Commodores and Falcons.

[curtis265]

^come live where i live.

silvias and skylines have actually become bogan cars.. not as much as the commies but enough to notice

[Indie]

^come live where i live.

silvias and skylines have actually become bogan cars.. not as much as the commies but enough to noticeYeah, but there's nothing BUT bogans in Perth, and they all have to drive something. No offence...

In Melbourne, I'd say that Skylines, Silvias, WRXs and all the rest are still the domain of Asians and wogs. Wogs? Can I say wogs? Or is that offensive now? I can't remember. Integras are driven by P platers and 50-year-old women.

[curtis265]

Yeah, but there's nothing BUT bogans in Perth, and they all have to drive something. No offence...

In Melbourne, I'd say that Skylines, Silvias, WRXs and all the rest are still the domain of Asians and wogs. Wogs? Can I say wogs? Or is that offensive now? I can't remember. Integras are driven by P platers and 50-year-old women.

none taken. Perth, home of the cashed up bogan.

[tripleuse]

come to sydney.. u will see every 2nd leb/ bogan with a s15 or skyline, srs.

[RtN]

^srs and the K20 dc2r will pwn half of them.

DC2R ftw.

[Indie]

come to sydney.. u will see every 2nd leb/ bogan with a s15 or skyline, srs.I love how 'lebs' and 'bogans' were beating the shit out of each other on Cronulla, yet from your perspective they're basically the same people, haha.

Anyway, I couldn't care less who drives what car. I'm not going to let other people dictate my tastes. And with the amount of Type R wrecks I see being parted out, I don't exactly think Honda drivers are above reproach either.

[4age8u]

^come live where i live.

silvias and skylines have actually become bogan cars.. not as much as the commies but enough to notice

This.. And civics and integras are ricers :D

[4age8u]

First time I drove my cousins 201rwkw s15 I thought that it was a good fun car. I jumped in my dc2r and it felt like the biggest torque less pos ever.

Then he got abit of work done n had 266rwkw and jumped back into my car and thought it was a even bigger pos

Honda are absolute shit off vtec torque less pieces of crap

[DakDak]

Go DC5R. Looks the best.

[EKVTIR-T]

Honda are absolute shit off vtec torque less pieces of crap
Thats not an issue of Hondas design,its physics in general.

Theres only so much torque an NA 1600/1800/2000cc can produce while staying a well mannered everyday engine.

[RtN]

and.. my dc2r only uses about 7L/100KMs WIN, doesn't burn oil WIN, nothing breaks down WIN. Cost effective car as well.

[Indie]

and.. my dc2r only uses about 7L/100KMs WIN, doesn't burn oil WIN, nothing breaks down WIN. Cost effective car as well.Exactly. The DC2R does serve a purpose. It's a compromise between everyday usability and practicality, and performance.

That's why I prefer the S2k. It's uncompromising in every way.

[DakDak]

Honda are absolute shit off vtec torque less pieces of crap

Not all are without torque. The majority is though when stock.
JDM S15 Spec R is gutless too when stock

[GSi_PSi]

Honda are absolute shit off vtec torque less pieces of crap

Really?.... you seem like those kids that had nugget cars all his life, and as soon as you
jump in a turbo car you think its the fastest thing in the world... Seen it too too often
Ive got a MY04 WRX and off boost its painfully anooying to
drive. My CRX K20 would leave it for dead ... Responsive N/A > Laggy turbo
If i was to build a track car it would be a K series Honda 100%, way more challenging and fun to drive.

[JDM EP3]

I raced this guy from my work who kept saying his silvia q's s13 would blow away my dc4 gsi. So we went down to our friends farm that has its own "private road" and beat him repeatedly. Nevertheless he shut up and never mentioned Hondas were a torque less pos and nowadays with the k20a torque I couldnt care what no turbo knob says.

[GSi_PSi]

Not all are without torque. The majority is though when stock.
JDM S15 Spec R is gutless too when stock

I can confirm this, dailying one at the moment...

What is even gutless is the NA S15, now that thing is a nugget

[Indie]

Really?.... you seem like those kids that had nugget cars all his life, and as soon as you
jump in a turbo car you think its the fastest thing in the world... Seen it too too often
Ive got a MY04 WRX and off boost its painfully anooying to
drive. My CRX K20 would leave it for dead ... Responsive N/A > Laggy turbo
If i was to build a track car it would be a K series Honda 100%, way more challenging and fun to drive.On the one hand, you're saying that the K series is more challenging to drive, but surely keeping a 'laggy turbo' on boost is part of the challenge of driving a turbo car rather than a 'responsive N/A'.

[GSi_PSi]

On the one hand, you're saying that the K series is more challenging to drive, but surely keeping a 'laggy turbo' on boost is part of the challenge of driving a turbo car rather than a 'responsive N/A'.

With that statement i was refering to K series honda ie FWD..... as all the K series swapped or stock cars seem to be. Look at the the BYP DC2R, EG everyone said
no FWD could come close the 1 minute barrier at Wakefield park, look at them now..... they challenged everyone and proved them wrong.
I dunno how much bang for buck you can get honestly, talking to Lotus elise owners who have spent close to 300K and getting 1:03 times same as the NA EG K24
its just mindblowing.

[EKVTIR-T]

Really?.... you seem like those kids that had nugget cars all his life, and as soon as you
jump in a turbo car you think its the fastest thing in the world... Seen it too too often
Ive got a MY04 WRX and off boost its painfully anooying to
drive. My CRX K20 would leave it for dead ... Responsive N/A > Laggy turbo
If i was to build a track car it would be a K series Honda 100%, way more challenging and fun to drive.
Youre right. He recently got a gc8 rex and suddenly thinks its a ferrari and all others are below lol

[ericl33]

dc2r has more than enough for daily duties in stock form.

sure, if you want a monster, how on earth can you use it sensibly on the street?

[SajadEG]

DC5r cos it looks the best out of the three.

Personally, with that money i'd build an EG-K series

[ericl33]

DC5r cos it looks the best out of the three.

Personally, with that money i'd build an EG-K series
umm, dc5r is ugly.

[EKVTIR-T]

umm, dc5r is ugly.
I agree,EK is far more attractive

[ericl33]

I agree,EK is far more attractive
I'm happy for you.

may you one day find a dream ek4:)

[Indie]

umm, dc5r is ugly.I also agree completely. The back isn't bad, but the front is terrible, and the whole thing looks bloated.

Having said that, none of the cars mentioned look as good as an S15.

[EKVTIR-T]

I'm happy for you.

may you one day find a dream ek4:)
I dont want another one,Im only talking visual preference

[mugen_ctr]

Honda are absolute shit off vtec torque less pieces of crap

LOLOLOL....

Guess ya never really been in a modded honda before, or raced one on the track before, blown ur gearbox yet in the WRX?? LOL jkz

IF were talking about Hondas in general u have another thing coming ur way!!! But if were talking about B18 series, from DC2R, than its perfectly fine for the chassis... Dont know why ppl bitch an complain about dc2r being gutless... its fine for what it is... dont like it? Boost it/Supercharge it/K-swap???? many ways around it :)

[ericl33]

^srs and the K20 dc2r will pwn half of them.

DC2R ftw.
you're comparing a car with an engine swap to one that's more than likely lightly modded.....

[EKVTIR-T]

you're comparing a car with an engine swap to one that's more than likely lightly modded.....
Yeah its nonsense.May as well say S15 with rb26 ffs

[Indie]

I think everybody is overlooking how beautiful the S15 is...

[GSi_PSi]

I think everybody is overlooking how beautiful the S15 is...

Indie
http://pinkbunnyears.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/ugly-bunny.jpg

[Indie]

Indie
http://pinkbunnyears.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/ugly-bunny.jpgCome now, no car deserves that treatment.

http://www.roogio.com/images/Julia-Adasheva-and-Nissan-Silvia-S15-Photoshot-2-front-side-view-girls-on-the-hood-600x400.jpg

[GSi_PSi]

Come now, no car deserves that treatment.

http://www.roogio.com/images/Julia-Adasheva-and-Nissan-Silvia-S15-Photoshot-2-front-side-view-girls-on-the-hood-600x400.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/dartsoccer8/Ellie035.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/dartsoccer8/Ellie102.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/dartsoccer8/Ellie038.jpg
http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/961-aww-yeah.jpg

[Indie]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/dartsoccer8/Ellie035.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/dartsoccer8/Ellie102.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/dartsoccer8/Ellie038.jpg
http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/961-aww-yeah.jpgWow, honestly, that is one of the worst things I've ever seen. Appalling.

Here is somebody's mother with her S15:

http://blogimg.wemotor.my/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Nurul-Alis-@-Kiki-21.jpg

[EKVTIR-T]

You had to quote the pics ffs! Once is enough

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxlzy1DGX01qmrlovo1_400.gif

[Indie]

This is my favourite OzHonda thread. I expect to be given some kind of warning for spamming or something, if that one overzealous moderator gets wind of this...

So, um, yeah... Which R? Silvia Spec R!

[dc2r-0636]

Lol at the coke whore bahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahaa

[curtis265]

I'm happy for you.

may you one day find a dream ek4:)

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http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/mind-blown.gif



This is my favourite OzHonda thread. I expect to be given some kind of warning for spamming or something, if that one overzealous moderator gets wind of this...

So, um, yeah... Which R? Silvia Spec R!

there is still some degree of discussion so it's okay




and yes the dc5r is way ugly.

[nicholas R]

Wow i can't believe my thread has caused such a stir. lol :)
to be honest i was thinking about a S15 but I'm not interested in a turbo as my brother already has one with an evo and my DC2R wasnt too far behind
when i gave it everything and it was completely stock where his evo is worked. I know my Honda wont be as fast as any good turbo car,
but i like how the type R's are pretty much ready to go straight from the factory and i won't have to spend much money on it.
If i had the option of getting a DC2R again with low k's, i would cos i love the look of those cars!
I personally dont think the DC2R is that ugly, just think the DC2R looks better.
anyways thanks for all the posts peoples! just to let you know i've decided on an EP3.
I think it will be the cleanest Honda R i will be able to get with low K's within my budget.
wouldn't mind the FD2R though. wish i could afford to import one.

[curtis265]

This.. And civics and integras are ricers :D


Honda are absolute shit off vtec torque less pieces of crap

why are you on this forum lol


On the one hand, you're saying that the K series is more challenging to drive, but surely keeping a 'laggy turbo' on boost is part of the challenge of driving a turbo car rather than a 'responsive N/A'.
i'd rather not smash my gearbox into first around a tight hairpin/autocross track

[Indie]

Wow i can't believe my thread has caused such a stir. lol :)
to be honest i was thinking about a S15 but I'm not interested in a turbo as my brother already has one with an evo and my DC2R wasnt too far behind
when i gave it everything and it was completely stock where his evo is worked. I know my Honda wont be as fast as any good turbo car,
but i like how the type R's are pretty much ready to go straight from the factory and i won't have to spend much money on it.
If i had the option of getting a DC2R again with low k's, i would cos i love the look of those cars!
I personally dont think the DC2R is that ugly, just think the DC2R looks better.
anyways thanks for all the posts peoples! just to let you know i've decided on an EP3.
I think it will be the cleanest Honda R i will be able to get with low K's within my budget.
wouldn't mind the FD2R though. wish i could afford to import one.Good decision!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/dartsoccer8/Ellie035.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/Blue_Aus/Ellie035.jpg

[nicholas R]

that thing is like something out of an asian horror movie like the ring or something.

[ericl33]

this thread has seen the end, should be locked.

[GSi_PSi]

Lol coke head lady killed thread.




Sorry guise

[WATAJK]

JDM Cars (Imports)
Please keep in mind that the internals are different to the AUDM Delivered cars.
EP3's are all imported while there are a few JDM DC5's running around, i wouldn't recommend that one in WA.
He's a good bloke, but definitely, for what he's asking, what the car has been through, i definitely wouldn't pay it...
Considering it's/was running a Mugen N1 ECU which is pre-tuned, can't be tuned (Tuned prior to it being sold). Mugen ECU's are designed for Honda's with Mugen parts only and will perform better with these parts (Same for J's Racing etc etc)
He has a diary of what the car went through in Japan prior to coming to Australia and also has a race diary of it's time here in Australia...
Would definitely recommend a compression test prior to buying...

Remember a JDM K20A's Internal's are different to the AUDM ones, so if something internally gives way (K20's are a beast of a motor though..), it will be alot more expensive then the AUDM part surprisingly...
Just save yourself the coin, buy a nice clean AUDM DC5 and if you really wanna have it looking JDM.
Remove the rear windscreen wiper, JDM Visiors (Easy to obtain), Brembos up Front and you should be about right... Oh don't forget the red rocker cover aswell...

Not worth what his asking IMO but it is a good car overall i've heard from the guys in WA.

[4age8u]

Lol at this thread favorite quote "my Dc2r wasn't far behind a worked Evo" haha

[4age8u]

why are you on this forum lol


i'd rather not smash my gearbox into first around a tight hairpin/autocross track

Lol I joined this forum way before you existed on ozhomo world :D

[amant02]

Stock for stock the dc2r is a much better car then s15 for daily commute, driven both alot never owned either. Since I'm a honda fanboy, true story.... 4 years ago went to national park syd power run (he was driving i was recording) in my mates s2k which was N/A but not stock had its internals worked. We gave all the cars a run for their money even on the straights. Keep in mind he was racing s15, evo7, r33 and a 300zx all of which had money spent on as well. Some points it got to a point where I couldn't see the rest of the cars behind us. The word 'smash' into 1st gear is soo harsh. What sort of a gearbox you got there mate? All the cars i have owned or driven it slips in nice and smooth by using the right techniques (double clutch, rev match etc etc) , you can do this procedure gently and smooth. Of course I do understand it puts stress on the car. But hey you spent all that money modding your car, might as well enjoy her as much as you can before the next one comes along.

I guess being young and lacking the experience has to do alot on this forum aye

PS: Guys turbo lag is a thing of the past, get over it. Turbos these days spool up pretty fast. Google if you don't believe me.

And to 4age lol, why would you use 4age and not b16b as a user name? I do have great respect for 4age *only sliver and black tops* but again this is ozhonda lol. Yet to see a 4age eating any b16 on the road. My em1 munched an ae111 @ mooney mooney

[Indie]

Stock for stock the dc2r is a much better car then s15 for daily commute, driven both alot never owned either. Since I'm a honda fanboy, true story.... 4 years ago went to national park syd power run (he was driving i was recording) in my mates s2k which was N/A but not stock had its internals worked. We gave all the cars a run for their money even on the straights. Keep in mind he was racing s15, evo7, r33 and a 300zx all of which had money spent on as well. Some points it got to a point where I couldn't see the rest of the cars behind us. The word 'smash' into 1st gear is soo harsh. What sort of a gearbox you got there mate? All the cars i have owned or driven it slips in nice and smooth by using the right techniques (double clutch, rev match etc etc) , you can do this procedure gently and smooth. Of course I do understand it puts stress on the car. But hey you spent all that money modding your car, might as well enjoy her as much as you can before the next one comes along.

I guess being young and lacking the experience has to do alot on this forum aye

PS: Guys turbo lag is a thing of the past, get over it. Turbos these days spool up pretty fast. Google if you don't believe me.

And to 4age lol, why would you use 4age and not b16b as a user name? I do have great respect for 4age *only sliver and black tops* but again this is ozhonda lol. Yet to see a 4age eating any b16 on the road. My em1 munched an ae111 @ mooney mooneyOfficial car forum debate template:

I was driving my [INSERT FAVOURITE CAR] against [INSERT CARS I DON'T LIKE] which were driven by [INSERT MISC. FRIEND OR STRANGER]. I beat them by [INSERT ARBITRARY FIGURE] seconds a lap, even though my car only had [INSERT MINOR MODIFICATION] and theirs all had [INSERT HUGELY EXPENSIVE UPGRADES]. Bear in mind that I have driven all of these cars personally. Having read this, you will now believe that either a) the car I like is far superior to the others I mentioned, or b) I am an exceptionally good driver, much better than all of my mates. Either way, as long as you believe my vague story from [INSERT MISC. NO. OF YEARS] ago, I am a car expert and a fantastic driver. As you are all children, I expect you to look up to me now, like some kind of car god.

[curtis265]

that's not what i asked you

Lol I joined this forum way before you existed on ozhomo world :D

[typerk20]

Don't know what all the hype is about S15 you see one every 5 minutes and they really aren't anything special in terms of power
Oh and apologies in advanced to the autech S15 owners but the N/A S15 is a plain nugget that a b16 will probably be able to line up with easily.

Having owned both mildly modded DC2R and a 250kw S15 and a few other turbos i can honestly say the S15 is one of the lowest performing turbo cars
Probably no S15 owners will ever admit it cause they love their SR20 so much but comparing a S15 to a DC2R isn't really a fair matchup - put the S15 against something in its own league (Evo/STI) and the results will be the same everytime sorry nissan fanboys.

All the silvia owner's will disagree here but at the end of the day AWD > RWD overall and don't say each to their own purposes because overall AWD is AWD not 2 rear-wheel spin drive.

[NeedVtec]

wouldnt it be a better to compare a gtr with an evo/sti...

[Indie]

Don't know what all the hype is about S15 you see one every 5 minutes and they really aren't anything special in terms of power
Oh and apologies in advanced to the autech S15 owners but the N/A S15 is a plain nugget that a b16 will probably be able to line up with easily.

Having owned both mildly modded DC2R and a 250kw S15 and a few other turbos i can honestly say the S15 is one of the lowest performing turbo cars
Probably no S15 owners will ever admit it cause they love their SR20 so much but comparing a S15 to a DC2R isn't really a fair matchup - put the S15 against something in its own league (Evo/STI) and the results will be the same everytime sorry nissan fanboys.

All the silvia owner's will disagree here but at the end of the day AWD > RWD overall and don't say each to their own purposes because overall AWD is AWD not 2 rear-wheel spin drive.No, the S15 isn't in the same league as an Evo or Sti, the GT-R is. You say that it's unfair to compare the S15 with the DC2R, but then make a poor comparison yourself. Why would you compare the S15 with what are, or were, basically road-going rally cars? The S15 and Evo/Sti were never, ever in the same league. As you said yourself, AWD > RWD, so why would you consider it fair to compare the two? Just so much hypocrisy and stupidity in one post. It should be compared with an S2000, not a bloody Evo.

Of course the S15 was a lower-performance turbo. It was designed to slot in underneath the 350Z and GT-R, so it was hardly going to be a monster. It's a fairly light, moderately powerful RWD turbo, which can also be modded to very high levels of performance. It can compete in drift comps, or race series in which AWD is banned, tuned for grip or slip. It does all of this while being one of the best looking cars in its class. It's even pretty bloody reliable.

[NeedVtec]

No, the S15 isn't in the same league as an Evo or Sti, the GT-R is. You say that it's unfair to compare the S15 with the DC2R, but then make a poor comparison yourself. Why would you compare the S15 with what are, or were, basically road-going rally cars? The S15 and Evo/Sti were never, ever in the same league. As you said yourself, AWD > RWD, so why would you consider it fair to compare the two? Just so much hypocrisy and stupidity in one post. It should be compared with an S2000, not a bloody Evo.

Of course the S15 was a lower-performance turbo. It was designed to slot in underneath the 350Z and GT-R, so it was hardly going to be a monster. It's a fairly light, moderately powerful RWD turbo, which can also be modded to very high levels of performance. It can compete in drift comps, or race series in which AWD is banned, tuned for grip or slip. It does all of this while being one of the best looking cars in its class. It's even pretty bloody reliable.

i agry.

[amant02]

Don't you just love trolling me Indie, Mr I know it all. I'm just adding my 2cents from experience. All your posts has so far came from what you have been advertised to aye mate. Im no 'car god' if that's the feeling your getting from me, ill take it as a compliment mate.

Do the dc2r vs s15 debate. The s15 feels alot more smaller inside. Talking about the cabin. I would prefer to sit in the back seat of the dc2r over the s15 as it offers more leg room. I do like how in the s15 equip is more modern and its slightly pointed towards the driver. The grip of the steering wheel also feels alot more firmer on the dc2r on top of things sr20 should just stick to the sss lol sliva's should've deserved a rb26 or something similar kinda let down from Nissan.

For me it would just come down type of license you hold, if your on your fulls go the turbo, P platers stick to your dc2r. Both cars give great performance from factory. For the amount of $$ it deliverers what its worth.

[GSi_PSi]

Don't know what all the hype is about S15 you see one every 5 minutes and they really aren't anything special in terms of power
Oh and apologies in advanced to the autech S15 owners but the N/A S15 is a plain nugget that a b16 will probably be able to line up with easily.

Having owned both mildly modded DC2R and a 250kw S15 and a few other turbos i can honestly say the S15 is one of the lowest performing turbo cars
Probably no S15 owners will ever admit it cause they love their SR20 so much but comparing a S15 to a DC2R isn't really a fair matchup - put the S15 against something in its own league (Evo/STI) and the results will be the same everytime sorry nissan fanboys.

All the silvia owner's will disagree here but at the end of the day AWD > RWD overall and don't say each to their own purposes because overall AWD is AWD not 2 rear-wheel spin drive.

As much I am sick to death of hearing about and seeing s15's fluttering all over sydney credit is given when its due and the
s15 Would be one of the bang for buck performance vehicles , with 200kw+ you would be in the high 12's to get that in simple boost and Bolt on upgrades . AWD is obviously better in terms of grip but it all depends on the application and driving preference , a Lightweight RWD turbo can be a lot of fun . In saying this .....

Now indie pls this is a Honda forum , it's getting to a point where every thread I open that you have replied to, is you boasting about the legendary s15 , in a negative tone belittling anyone who chooses the inferior fwd that is the R range .

Indie Pls

[amant02]

I would love to see how the gt86 stacks up against the s15. I know the price difference is a fair bit. But them two car would be in the same category right? even thou the eight six isn't turbo'd correct me if Iam wrong here. From memory both are 2L RWD cars?

PS: I really got a feeling Indie checks ozhonda every few hours....sad sad kid. I have not seen a post where his actually helping or even 'trying' to help the thread starter. Just trolls the people who are here to help. 20 bucks says his gonna quote this or GSi's post.

[typerk20]

No, the S15 isn't in the same league as an Evo or Sti, the GT-R is. You say that it's unfair to compare the S15 with the DC2R, but then make a poor comparison yourself. Why would you compare the S15 with what are, or were, basically road-going rally cars? The S15 and Evo/Sti were never, ever in the same league. As you said yourself, AWD > RWD, so why would you consider it fair to compare the two? Just so much hypocrisy and stupidity in one post. It should be compared with an S2000, not a bloody Evo.

Of course the S15 was a lower-performance turbo. It was designed to slot in underneath the 350Z and GT-R, so it was hardly going to be a monster. It's a fairly light, moderately powerful RWD turbo, which can also be modded to very high levels of performance. It can compete in drift comps, or race series in which AWD is banned, tuned for grip or slip. It does all of this while being one of the best looking cars in its class. It's even pretty bloody reliable.

Perfect example of S15/Nissan fanboy, have you even owned a S15 at all?

Mate my comparision was just an example, even though its AWD-RWD both cars are nonetheless turbocharged and designed for performance, you were comparing a N/A FWD with a turbo RWD S15 and you think my example was so much worse off? lol hypocrisy and stupidity right?

My point being the S15 is alot less powered than what you make it out to be, you clearly think of it as being a godly weapon that can do 12's stock and rip any Type R with ease

Seriously the stupidity is clearly shown by you.

[Indie]

Perfect example of S15/Nissan fanboy, have you even owned a S15 at all?

Mate my comparision was just an example, even though its AWD-RWD both cars are nonetheless turbocharged and designed for performance, you were comparing a N/A FWD with a turbo RWD S15 and you think my example was so much worse off? lol hypocrisy and stupidity right?

My point being the S15 is alot less powered than what you make it out to be, you clearly think of it as being a godly weapon that can do 12's stock and rip any Type R with ease

Seriously the stupidity is clearly shown by you.You act as if you're speaking directly to me, and are referring to arguments I've made, yet you're actually referring to a variety of opinions that several other people have expressed. Those people are not me. I've never said anything similar to the things you just stated.

I have no personal investment in this discussion, and basically, I don't care to debate with morons.

[typerk20]

You act as if you're speaking directly to me, and are referring to arguments I've made, yet you're actually referring to a variety of opinions that several other people have expressed. Those people are not me. I've never said anything similar to the things you just stated.

I have no personal investment in this discussion, and basically, I don't care to debate with morons.

Mate remember this is a Honda forum and a you are on a Type R thread yet you still brought up the S15 250 times
Throughout the entire thread all you've done is mention how you think the S15 is so gorgeous and amazing in every aspect without mentioning if you've even owned a S15

No morons here mate just clearly a S15 fanboy on a Honda forum who gets a little mad when anyone talks bad about the legendary Silvia.

[gen2 CRX]

Dc2r close thread

[Indie]

Mate remember this is a Honda forum and a you are on a Type R thread yet you still brought up the S15 250 times
Throughout the entire thread all you've done is mention how you think the S15 is so gorgeous and amazing in every aspect without mentioning if you've even owned a S15

No morons here mate just clearly a S15 fanboy on a Honda forum who gets a little mad when anyone talks bad about the legendary Silvia.Somebody else 'brought it up', champ, not me, and I joined in that discussion.

You're a very average troll, 'mate'.

[ericl33]

Somebody else 'brought it it', champ, not me, and I joined in that discussion.

You're a very average troll, 'mate'.
yeah, nowhere near our skill level.

[dc2r-0636]

http://toosoonjunior.com/cars/s15%20work/2.jpg

/end thread

[rhys.l]

Can just make out the flat brim in the driver's seat

[tripleuse]

yep thats right we should all go out like every other nissan fanboy and buy a s15.

[curtis265]

why are you guys getting so butthurt?

the nissan has a million times more potential over the honda, but needs work

amant02: do you buy a sports car for passengers?



Mate my comparision was just an example, even though its AWD-RWD both cars are nonetheless turbocharged and designed for performance, you were comparing a N/A FWD with a turbo RWD S15 and you think my example was so much worse off? lol hypocrisy and stupidity right?

your comparison is still invalid. GTR's/evo/sti's are pure performance cars full of gizmos and computers to distribute power correctly and squeeze every last second out of a lap. They were designed for the track... The silvia is nothing near that. It's just easily made into one, by many people Comparing them to a silvia is like comparing a the new toyota 86 to a GTR.

indie: i agree with you but be nice, these guys are getting angry! be nice

[Indie]

indie: i agree with you but be nice, these guys are getting angry! be niceThe S platform is just such a malleable starting point for any level of modification you desi-

Nah, apparently there's no point in having a sensible discussion, so I'll just post this again:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/dartsoccer8/Ellie035.jpg

DC2R fo life.

[typerk20]

So initially comparing a S15 to the Type R is a more valid comparision? Rightio.

My point originally being comparing 2 turbo cars with performance in mind is alot more explainable than comparing a N/A FWD to a more performance focused car with a stock turbocharger

[Indie]

So initially comparing a S15 to the Type R is a more valid comparision? Rightio.

My point originally being comparing 2 turbo cars with performance in mind is alot more explainable than comparing a N/A FWD to a more performance focused car with a stock turbochargerIt's a more valid comparison than yours,, because they are both in the same price range. Good luck finding a good Evo or Sti for the same price as a DC2R or S15... Completely different class of car.

[mnc]

Always a fight between the nissan, honda and mitsubishi fanboys.

[curtis265]

So initially comparing a S15 to the Type R is a more valid comparision? Rightio.

My point originally being comparing 2 turbo cars with performance in mind is alot more explainable than comparing a N/A FWD to a more performance focused car with a stock turbocharger

mate the s15 is not a pure performance car, you clearly have no idea, it's soft and squishy to drive in stock form, and without mods i daresay it's a complete boat

stock vs stock, dc2r is more performacne focused than the s15

[connorling]

i drove my friend 300 rwhp S15, got lots of mods in engine and suspension. then i got back to my b18c EG na at that time, i still like my EG more.

something about everyone has a fast S15, no many has fast EG that puts me off.
also i was annoyed the turbo lag since it had high boost.

[curtis265]

because responsiveness is awesome. :)

somethinig about the feel of driving a honda is so different

[connorling]

i have a bigger smile on my face driving my 1984 honda city turbo 2 than driving my mate done up s15 and r33 gtst.

hence i cant sell the city. loving it.

[JohnO]

With a Nissan you never know when the boxs gonna drop off LOL

[butterfingers]

turbo is like the drunk haymaker. It rips your head off when it eventually hits. WHEN it hits.
n/a is like muhammed ali's jabs. finds its mark, any time and anywhere you punch it.
v10s are like mike tyson. from the get go, it hits hard, and continus hitting hard until your liver bleeds.

[xenonkuraz]

i have a bigger smile on my face driving my 1984 honda city turbo 2 than driving my mate done up s15 and r33 gtst.

hence i cant sell the city. loving it.

someone who understands!

[GSi_PSi]

turbo is like the drunk haymaker. It rips your head off when it eventually hits. WHEN it hits.
n/a is like muhammed ali's jabs. finds its mark, any time and anywhere you punch it.
v10s are like mike tyson. from the get go, it hits hard, and continus hitting hard until your liver bleeds.

Fckn this !
I tip my hat to you sir, summed it up pretty well.

Going from a modified N/A background (K20 eg2) to a turbocharged cars (S15, WRX)
i can say that the responsiveness of the hondas really makes the car so fun to drive, in the S15 and WRX kinda a dog to drive in day to day traffic
off boost. Once the car gets a bit hot, the turbo doesnt pick up quite so consistantly, where as my K20 EG2 would behave pretty much the same
throughout all conditions this was ofcause once i upgraded to the full size radiator lol...

[connorling]

i dont understand the fight between the FWD and RWD for the daily car. i meant if it is on the track, fair enough, common sense that FWD is a bit disadvantage because u ask the front wheel to do everything.
but on the street, a decent coilover on a FWD can perform as good as RWD in the real world. less trouble for the FWD as FWD is less likely to oversteer.

[ericl33]

Fckn this !
I tip my hat to you sir, summed it up pretty well.

Going from a modified N/A background (K20 eg2) to a turbocharged cars (S15, WRX)
i can say that the responsiveness of the hondas really makes the car so fun to drive, in the S15 and WRX kinda a dog to drive in day to day traffic
off boost. Once the car gets a bit hot, the turbo doesnt pick up quite so consistantly, where as my K20 EG2 would behave pretty much the same
throughout all conditions this was ofcause once i upgraded to the full size radiator lol...
dc2r in stock form is a bit of a dog under 3000rpm.

[chauster]

Ek9 is pure performance car. Get fkt m8

[connorling]

dc2r in stock form is a bit of a dog under 3000rpm.

i assume its pre 1998 model?
post 1998 or so year is much better because of the final drive

i could be wrong.

[ericl33]

i assume its pre 1998 model?
post 1998 or so year is much better because of the final drive

i could be wrong.
you're wrong:p

[connorling]

you're wrong:p

damn! again?!~

[dc2r-0636]

i assume its pre 1998 model?
post 1998 or so year is much better because of the final drive

i could be wrong.

Youre thinking of 96spec 4.4 FD and 98spec 4.7 FD

[connorling]

Youre thinking of 96spec 4.4 FD and 98spec 4.7 FD

yes yes. sorry i dont remember its spec too well.

[ericl33]

Youre thinking of 96spec 4.4 FD and 98spec 4.7 FD
doesn't matter, 98' dc2r is still a dog under 3000rpm

[GSi_PSi]

dc2r in stock form is a bit of a dog under 3000rpm.

true, but slap a b20 on that shit and watch it pull


regards

kunt

[ericl33]

true, but slap a b20 on that shit and watch it pull


regards

kuntb20 too expensive, never will i be able to afford one :(

[connorling]

doesn't matter, 98' dc2r is still a dog under 3000rpm
honestly i have never driven dc2r, my mate has one, he was gonna let me drive, and he had an accident that morning, and i just leave it as that.

[connorling]

doesn't matter, 98' dc2r is still a dog under 3000rpm

i think standard ap1 s2000 is worse with the 4.1 final drive. i had to change mine to 4.77
now it is so much better to drive.

[butterfingers]

fd2 with 5.062 FD and more torque than any previous performance honda. its they way they should ahve made them from the start.

except for the nsx

[curtis265]

i think standard ap1 s2000 is worse with the 4.1 final drive. i had to change mine to 4.77
now it is so much better to drive.

wtf is it 4.1??

h22 box isn't even that long

[ericl33]

fd2 with 5.062 FD and more torque than any previous performance honda. its they way they should ahve made them from the start.

except for the nsx
but fd2r has 6 speed box for that smashing.

dc2r only has 5 gears for smashing that box.

so an upgrade to 4.9FD, you're sitting close to 5000rpm @ 120km/h

[GSi_PSi]

but fd2r has 6 speed box for that smashing.

dc2r only has 5 gears for smashing that box.

so an upgrade to 4.9FD, you're sitting close to 5000rpm @ 120km/h

then you get gsi fifth gear


noongah

[butterfingers]

baaaack in niiinety eight wheeeeen yo moooma was stiiil young, 5 speeeds were the beeest we cud giiiettt.

[Indie]

mate the s15 is not a pure performance car, you clearly have no idea, it's soft and squishy to drive in stock form, and without mods i daresay it's a complete boatYou've gone from agreeing with me to saying this? I think you may have responded to the wrong post.

[curtis265]

WHOOPS yes i did!

[connorling]

wtf is it 4.1??

h22 box isn't even that long

4.1 final drive. it was so laggy at the low revv.
now with 4.77, i am happy

[manonastick]

wouldn't most people think type rs are amazing because they are n/a and could keep up with turbo cars? With fwd being inferior to rwd but handle the same?

[ericl33]

wouldn't most people think type rs are amazing because they are n/a and could keep up with turbo cars? With fwd being inferior to rwd but handle the same?
type RS is top of the line sequential twin turbo RX-7

Type R's are good, but no, they can only keep up to not even a hand full of turbo cars in a straight line.

[Indie]

wouldn't most people think type rs are amazing because they are n/a and could keep up with turbo cars? With fwd being inferior to rwd but handle the same?Yes, they are a great technical achievement, overcoming many of the limitations of n/a and FWD to provide an equivalent driving experience to other lightweight coupes.... Until you start trying to get more performance from it, and you realise that it's meant to be left stock. Then, rather than trying to squeeze blood from a stone, you buy something with greater performance potential.

[curtis265]

wouldn't most people think type rs are amazing because they are n/a and could keep up with turbo cars? With fwd being inferior to rwd but handle the same?

totally agree. Except it's near it's limits of fwd, and limits of a reliable na engine.

Think of it like this. I am 170cm tall. I can train my self to be brilliant at basketball and will probably do very well compared to an noob/unpolished player who's 190cm, however if you teach that big guy how to play properly, who's gonna do better?

[manonastick]

totally agree. Except it's near it's limits of fwd, and limits of a reliable na engine.

Think of it like this. I am 170cm tall. I can train my self to be brilliant at basketball and will probably do very well compared to an noob/unpolished player who's 190cm, however if you teach that big guy how to play properly, who's gonna do better?

I agree as well but then again you gotta factor in alot of things, no matter what you say a s15/ skyline gt-t etc is not going to be as reliable as a n/a engine if both cars we maintained the same way. Also with rwd you lose rear seats or most of the space and with the drive train at the back your going to lose boot space while with a fwd i don't think this is apparent. You can't just think performance wise you gotta factor in alotta things, for people like us how often are we going to push our cars to the far limits and we need practical car that handle most of daily task i mean we do get a few track days a year but where there to have fun not set the best time. If you had a dedicated track thats a completely different story. What honda achieved is that they have a hell fun car but very usable everyday. Then again it all comes to this feel of the car and most importantly, do you like that car?

[Indie]

I agree as well but then again you gotta factor in alot of things, no matter what you say a s15/ skyline gt-t etc is not going to be as reliable as a n/a engine if both cars we maintained the same way. Also with rwd you lose rear seats or most of the space and with the drive train at the back your going to lose boot space while with a fwd i don't think this is apparent. You can't just think performance wise you gotta factor in alotta things, for people like us how often are we going to push our cars to the far limits and we need practical car that handle most of daily task i mean we do get a few track days a year but where there to have fun not set the best time. If you had a dedicated track thats a completely different story. What honda achieved is that they have a hell fun car but very usable everyday. Then again it all comes to this feel of the car and most importantly, do you like that car?Well, no, that's incorrect. If you only want performance, then you'll only ant to think about performance. Not everyone cares about performance, but not everyone cares about practicality. You're just talking about your beliefs as if they apply to everybody.

Yes, the Type R is practical, but just as not everybody needs performance, not everybody needs practicality.

[manonastick]

Well, no, that's incorrect. If you only want performance, then you'll only ant to think about performance. Not everyone cares about performance, but not everyone cares about practicality. You're just talking about your beliefs as if they apply to everybody.

Yes, the Type R is practical, but just as not everybody needs performance, not everybody needs practicality.

I was trying to emphasize on how great of a car the type r were being able to offer both a degree of performance and being
Practical, like i said its subjective. Dont say that im incorrect cause that makes me feel bad :P
Lol i can make a pointing saying a pure performance is fully wasted saying cruising at public roads at 60kms isnt exactly thrilling. Where are you ever going to use that 500hp at and greatly tunned suspension. Its a never ending discussion lol you then say whats point of performance car?? Im going to end this withsaying type rs are great cars there a better just not within the same price offering type r can do.
Off to dinner for me

[butterfingers]

in the end jsut get what you want. even if they made the s15 on par with a gtr r33, i still wouldnt get either of those, cos i just simply LIKE the VTEC image over the lebo ridden status of nissans. no particular reason. I just like it and in this case, it outweighs the extra performance that a "AHthirtythrey skyline cuz" or an "ess fiftein silvia bro". i'd love to take one for a spin but i'll have my eyes ****ked out in hell before i get seen driving them around.

[Indie]

Wow, I would never let other people dictate which cars I do or don't drive.

[tripleuse]

end this thread its so pointless, it just about people who drive hondas that are nissan fanboys!

[chauster]

ek9 brah

[EKVTIR-T]

in the end jsut get what you want. even if they made the s15 on par with a gtr r33, i still wouldnt get either of those, cos i just simply LIKE the VTEC image over the lebo ridden status of nissans. no particular reason. I just like it and in this case, it outweighs the extra performance that a "AHthirtythrey skyline cuz" or an "ess fiftein silvia bro". i'd love to take one for a spin but i'll have my eyes ****ked out in hell before i get seen driving them around.
Whats the "vtec image" you have in mind?

Sounds like youre saying it a positive thing,if so I hate to burst your bubble but vtec hondas are the laughing stock of the tuner world thanks for F&F series and P platers

It doesnt matter if Kswaps beat X Y Z turbo cars,people still think honda is a joke

[curtis265]

in the end jsut get what you want. even if they made the s15 on par with a gtr r33, i still wouldnt get either of those, cos i just simply LIKE the VTEC image over the lebo ridden status of nissans. no particular reason. I just like it and in this case, it outweighs the extra performance that a "AHthirtythrey skyline cuz" or an "ess fiftein silvia bro". i'd love to take one for a spin but i'll have my eyes ****ked out in hell before i get seen driving them around.

lol if you say so. I just think that's a very immature and quite a sad way to go about things

the vtec image isn't any better.

http://citizented.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ricer.jpg
http://chivethethrottle.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/ricer-500-7.jpg?w=500&h=375

[senna]

This thread is like the coilover thread...

"My hero car is the best, but I don't own one and I haven't driven many other cars...."

Yes its good for debate, but honestly without experience no one can give the final answer...

[SajadEG]

http://citizented.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ricer.jpg


Does anyone know what this kit is called and where i can get it?

Thanks.

[curtis265]

ur a cracker mate

Does anyone know what this kit is called and where i can get it?

Thanks.

[tripleuse]

It doesnt matter if Kswaps beat X Y Z turbo cars,people still think honda is a joke
yeah its quite a joke when u see there face after u beat them in some shit honda.

[butterfingers]

Whats the "vtec image" you have in mind?

Sounds like youre saying it a positive thing,if so I hate to burst your bubble but vtec hondas are the laughing stock of the tuner world thanks for F&F series and P platers

It doesnt matter if Kswaps beat X Y Z turbo cars,people still think honda is a joke

Buy me a real hero car bro..

[dc2r-0636]

It's not about being a Nissan fan boy, it's just facing the truth lol

[manonastick]

You dont buy car so you impress other people and dont give a damn what other think. you buy so that "you" enjoy it and no one else. plus a true car enthusiast would appreciate all cars for there each unique reason. I love the evo, 350z, gtrs bmw m series e.g each for their own particular uniqueness

[simmy]

http://img.tapatalk.com/3cf1e399-d3fd-b3f3.jpg

[CivicEGSI]

jdm d15b civic, you're set

[Indie]

This thread is like the coilover thread...

"My hero car is the best, but I don't own one and I haven't driven many other cars...."

Yes its good for debate, but honestly without experience no one can give the final answer...If we were talking hero cars, surely we wouldn't be talking about Type Rs and S15s, we'd be talking GT-Rs and NSXs.

It's got nothing to do with bias, or fanboyism, or hero cars, or any of that shit. People are simply discussing the relative virtues of various models of car, and I don't see why people have a problem with that.

Plus, you're stating/assuming that people haven't driven these cars, but considering they're all achievable cars to own, not to mention that several people have already stated that they've owned or driven several of the cars being discussed, it's a strange assertion to make.

People are on a car forum, discussing their opinions on and experiences with certain models. That's what a car forum is for.

[GSi_PSi]

In the end its a matter of personal preference. Turbo cars can be really shitty on petrol if you have a heavy foot and im finding this out the hard way at the moment.
costing me so much cause i do a fair bit of travelling. K swap is pretty much the best of both worlds, good on petrol, can keep up to fairly modded turbocharged cars if not beat
them, parts are cheap (k24a3 long block can be had for as little as $800) and compared to Evo's, S15's ,WRX's the driveline is fairly solid and can take a beating all day
everyday, the only thing you will be killing is your tyres knowing you know how to drive properly where as you do a 6,000rpm launch in a Evo = good bye transfer case,
WRX = goodbye 1st and 2nd gear, S15 = goodbye gearbox (the 6 speed has known to have lots of issues).

[rhys.l]

This thread is like the coilover thread...

"My hero car is the best, but I don't own one and I haven't driven many other cars...."

Yes its good for debate, but honestly without experience no one can give the final answer...

Exactly. Time for Indie to shut up.

[Indie]

Exactly. Time for Indie to shut up.You're so far beneath me, it's not funny.

[4age8u]

In the end its a matter of personal preference. Turbo cars can be really shitty on petrol if you have a heavy foot and im finding this out the hard way at the moment.
costing me so much cause i do a fair bit of travelling. K swap is pretty much the best of both worlds, good on petrol, can keep up to fairly modded turbocharged cars if not beat
them, parts are cheap (k24a3 long block can be had for as little as $800) and compared to Evo's, S15's ,WRX's the driveline is fairly solid and can take a beating all day
everyday, the only thing you will be killing is your tyres knowing you know how to drive properly where as you do a 6,000rpm launch in a Evo = good bye transfer case,
WRX = goodbye 1st and 2nd gear, S15 = goodbye gearbox (the 6 speed has known to have lots of issues).


Alot of miss info about turbo cars using alot of petrol any car can use alot of petrol
If you put your foot down my ver5 Wrx can do 550k to a 60L tank not too bad is it?
And gearbox the pre 98 had weak 5speed then the my99-00 came with a stronger box then bugeye sti and newer had the 6speed which is know to be just as strong as a dogbox..

[butterfingers]

Alot of miss info about turbo cars using alot of petrol any car can use alot of petrol
If you put your foot down my ver5 Wrx can do 550k to a 60L tank not too bad is it?
And gearbox the pre 98 had weak 5speed then the my99-00 came with a stronger box then bugeye sti and newer had the 6speed which is know to be just as strong as a dogbox..

providing you dont granny shift, and double clutch like you should...

[GSi_PSi]

Alot of miss info about turbo cars using alot of petrol any car can use alot of petrol
If you put your foot down my ver5 Wrx can do 550k to a 60L tank not too bad is it?
And gearbox the pre 98 had weak 5speed then the my99-00 came with a stronger box then bugeye sti and newer had the 6speed which is know to be just as strong as a dogbox..

Your car must be on a very lean tune or your heavy foot maybe completely different to my heavy foot.
Of all the turbo cars ive experience all of them had shitty petrol consumption when hitting boost every gear compared to the VTEC hondas i owned...
My B20VTEC integra used to get me 500kms/60L tank vtec 24/7.

[rhys.l]

To be honest for normal mixed driving, I got slightly better fuel consumption out my sr20det than the b18c7. 6sp gbox probably helped and was stock boost.

[GSi_PSi]

To be honest for normal mixed driving, I got slightly better fuel consumption out my sr20det than the b18c7. 6sp gbox probably helped and was stock boost.

How much out of a full tank>?...out of each , giving it stick ...

[ricerockets]

Im getting about 600kms out of 60L from my k24 and i vtec it alot

Drove my mates R34 GT-T used up $200 in 6 days...

[rhys.l]

By memory (this was a few years ago) for normal driving around 550km for the sr and I normally get 500-550 out of the b18. Giving it stick is a different story...turbo was a pig

[GSi_PSi]

By memory (this was a few years ago) for normal driving around 550km for the sr and I normally get 500-550 out of the b18. Giving it stick is a different story...turbo was a pig


thats what i mean... you can thrash vtec and its still good on fuel, do it to a S15 and watch the petrol light come on lol.

[Mikecivic78]

i drove my friend 300 rwhp S15, got lots of mods in engine and suspension. then i got back to my b18c EG na at that time, i still like my EG more.

something about everyone has a fast S15, no many has fast EG that puts me off.
also i was annoyed the turbo lag since it had high boost.

smaller turbo and quicker spooling is better for daily and less lag

big turbo, heaps of lag but packs a punch when it kicks in.

VTEC also has lag, but b18 is more progressive power delivery because NA. Also, big turbo+boost on an s15 will smash a NA b18c unless it's had a freakin shitload ( i mean A lot) of work done

[Mikecivic78]

Alot of miss info about turbo cars using alot of petrol any car can use alot of petrol

bugeye sti and newer had the 6speed which is know to be just as strong as a dogbox..
It is nowhere near as strong as a dogbox

But yes, stock turbo cars can be just as economical as B/K series if driven modestly



If you put your foot down my ver5 Wrx can do 550k to a 60L tank not too bad is it?


rubbish - put your foot down on any WRX and it will do up to 20l/100km

[jahniel24]

LOL at you guys. i had fun reading pretty much all of these which just means im shit bored here at work. You guys are saying about k20 swaps blah blah is better than a stock s15.

facts here. stock vs stock, tuned vs tuned simple as that! of course if you compare a tuned one on a stock car its going to ba different! you spend atleast 12k on a k20 / k24 swap (of which benson actually quoted me just yesterday) and compare dumping that amount of money to the s15 (no idea why we got stuck in a s15). WIth both modded its just both cars with different power delivery.

according to mr wiki!

integra type r 140kw stock
nissan s15 183.8kw stock



rubbish - put your foot down on any WRX and it will do up to 20l/100km

you sure about that? been driving like a maniac since i got it 2 months ago 550-600k's out of a 60L tank! and thats a STI spec r.

[GSi_PSi]

LOL at you guys. i had fun reading pretty much all of these which just means im shit bored here at work. You guys are saying about k20 swaps blah blah is better than a stock s15.

facts here. stock vs stock, tuned vs tuned simple as that! of course if you compare a tuned one on a stock car its going to ba different! you spend atleast 12k on a k20 / k24 swap (of which benson actually quoted me just yesterday) and compare dumping that amount of money to the s15 (no idea why we got stuck in a s15). WIth both modded its just both cars with different power delivery.

according to mr wiki!

integra type r 140kw stock
nissan s15 183.8kw stock




you sure about that? been driving like a maniac since i got it 2 months ago 550-600k's out of a 60L tank! and thats a STI spec r.


I got mad love 4 pac


























http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kylzmkxDLk1qzmowao1_500.jpg

[amant02]

I always was under the thought of, turbos required more fuel as it effect atomisation of the fuel, (more air = more fuel - thats what a turbo does right?)

Theres no way that guy is getting 550Km/60L from a WRX, shit my dads camry barely gets 600Kms in a full tank. And he hardly goes over 3200RPMS (nearly always around 2000-2500RPM mark) with a very light foot in an auto


Also buddy the way i see it,

A well kept WRX = 20g's+

A well kept eg chassis = 5k at most + k20 swap as you quoted 12g (another thing Im finding hard to believe) = 17k?

In conclusion I think, your one of the guys who keeps for googling for stuff and reading w/e comes on the 1st link then believes it. (something i used to do, before i actually got my license and a car if u get my drift)

[mugen_ctr]

I always was under the thought of, turbos required more fuel as it effect atomisation of the fuel, (more air = more fuel - thats what a turbo does right?)

Theres no way that guy is getting 550Km/60L from a WRX, shit my dads camry barely gets 600Kms in a full tank. And he hardly goes over 3200RPMS (nearly always around 2000-2500RPM mark) with a very light foot in an auto


Also buddy the way i see it,

A well kept WRX = 20g's+

A well kept eg chassis = 5k at most + k20 swap as you quoted 12g (another thing Im finding hard to believe) = 17k?

In conclusion I think, your one of the guys who keeps for googling for stuff and reading w/e comes on the 1st link then believes it. (something i used to do, before i actually got my license and a car if u get my drift)

lol, the camry needs a service than

Any normal car 4 banger turbo car can get decent fuel eco if looked after!

Infact, ive driven few 4 banger turbo and they all average 10 liters per 100kms, yet my bros accord gets 12 liters per 100kms ;)

Too much bs info about turbo cars goin around! than again its ozhonda ahahahaa

[amant02]

lol, the camry needs a service than

Any normal car 4 banger turbo car can get decent fuel eco if looked after!

Infact, ive driven few 4 banger turbo and they all average 10 liters per 100kms, yet my bros accord gets 12 liters per 100kms ;)

Too much bs info about turbo cars goin around! than again its ozhonda ahahahaa


yes the camry suffers from lack of servicing. But she still drives like new.

I have yet to come across a turbo that's gonna get me 10l/100kms

I have driven a fair few and all are thirsty, reason why I'm considering keeping a 2 dr honda till I have a family for daily. And buying a 32 for the track needs

Then again I wouldn't know any better, I have only had the chance to hold a turbo for 2 weeks at most and she drank nearly 1/8 tank campbelltown - parra return trip..... my em1 or GD3 barely moves off full on the same trip. Eg has been the most petrol efficent car i have owned, now you can guess how much you gota drive to get her empty.

[curtis265]

I always was under the thought of, turbos required more fuel as it effect atomisation of the fuel, (more air = more fuel - thats what a turbo does right?)

Theres no way that guy is getting 550Km/60L from a WRX, shit my dads camry barely gets 600Kms in a full tank. And he hardly goes over 3200RPMS (nearly always around 2000-2500RPM mark) with a very light foot in an auto


Also buddy the way i see it,

A well kept WRX = 20g's+

A well kept eg chassis = 5k at most + k20 swap as you quoted 12g (another thing Im finding hard to believe) = 17k?

In conclusion I think, your one of the guys who keeps for googling for stuff and reading w/e comes on the 1st link then believes it. (something i used to do, before i actually got my license and a car if u get my drift)
in that case

i'd own this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-5Roj0O36o





(not really)

[unl3a5h]

just random info guisee there are 4 jdm integra type r's on carsales in aus, 2 96 specs and 2 dc5's lol thought it would be hard enough to fine 1

[amant02]

Whoa! whats been done to the satria?

Oh and ofcourse i would spend that extra 3k to buy a wrx if my disposalable income allowed it for me to maintain.

[Fredoops]

Whoa! whats been done to the satria?

Oh and ofcourse i would spend that extra 3k to buy a wrx if my disposalable income allowed it for me to maintain.

Satria been based on the Mirage/Lancer Chassis, im thinking it's got a lancer Evolution underpinnings and Evo engine.

[jahniel24]

I always was under the thought of, turbos required more fuel as it effect atomisation of the fuel, (more air = more fuel - thats what a turbo does right?)

Theres no way that guy is getting 550Km/60L from a STI, shit my dads camry barely gets 600Kms in a full tank. And he hardly goes over 3200RPMS (nearly always around 2000-2500RPM mark) with a very light foot in an auto

A well kept WRX = 20g's+

but then again we are not talking about running costs are we? we are just talking about fuel economy if you get my drift too! I just need to upload a photo of my evo x mr doing 8.2l/100 k's today! i just couldnt figure out how to from my phone!


Also buddy the way i see it,


A well kept eg chassis = 5k at most + k20 swap as you quoted 12g (another thing Im finding hard to believe) = 17k?


maybe for the k20a swap maybe ask benson. just try to drop a pm so you have a clue on whats the latest quotes on k20a swaps. so you look like you have an idea somehow!

In conclusion I think, your one of the guys who keeps for googling for stuff and reading w/e comes on the 1st link then believes it. (something i used to do, before i actually got my license and a car if u get my drift)


well owning 2 turbo cars evo x mr / 2012 STI, dc5r and a Ce lancer and just put a deposit on a EG. I would think I have a clue on what im saying. maybe you dont? coming from someone who borrwed one / two and thrashed the shit of the borrowed ones thus making this conclusion.

[chauster]

Did someone say ek9?

[Bludger]

Did someone say ek9?
I think EKVTiR-T did.

[GSi_PSi]

well owning 2 turbo cars evo x mr / 2012 STI, dc5r and a Ce lancer and just put a deposit on a EG. I would think I have a clue on what im saying. maybe you dont? coming from someone who borrwed one / two and thrashed the shit of the borrowed ones thus making this conclusion.

pics or it didnt happen

[4age8u]

It is nowhere near as strong as a dogbox

Ask most people who run alot of power on thier Wrx with stock 5speed 90% they will opt for a 6speed out of an sti..there's a reason for that

But yes, stock turbo cars can be just as economical as B/K series if driven modestly



rubbish - put your foot down on any WRX and it will do up to 20l/100km

I drive my Wrx everyday to work and back I'm sure I didn't just make that up

[curtis265]

he was implying that the 20L/100km figure would be applicable if you drove with your foot down for an extended period of time

something which you wouldn't do on your daily commute

[Mikecivic78]

he was implying that the 20L/100km figure would be applicable if you drove with your foot down for an extended period of time

something which you wouldn't do on your daily commute

:)


I drive my Wrx everyday to work and back I'm sure I didn't just make that up


FYI, I own a dead stock, genuine 63K Km, unmolested 01 Rex.





When I first got it I wound it out quite a bit (many red line shifts etc... but not as hoony as u might think) and on my first fuel up I (shockingly) got 17l/100km. I reckon if you are brutal, then 20L/100km is achievable. A modded/boosted one could get even worse economy if thrashed

Now that Ive adjusted to driving the car I get good economy, about 10l/100km around town, usually shifting at 3k rpm. Enough to get a bit of boost (it starts spooling in the low 2000 rpm range)

[amant02]

K i have done my research on K20 'A' (called a few places today) Cheapest quote i got for it to be dropped into my eg $12480 with kpro
Price Break down:
K20 'A' - $7000
K Pro - $1500
Plumbing/Wiring/Mounts/Axles/Fuel/Another parts needed - $3280
Labour - free DIY backyard job.
Tune at JEM (Just engine Management) quoted atleast $700 (they said it could go up)


This is not even including other things that i would like to get done ... I/H/E, engineers cert, change in insurance, service the block, new clutch, fix any wear and tear before its dropped in, etc etc. Pretty sure the price you got quoted wasn't a k20 'A' or if it was, some other gear box was used? Some where the quality of parts used dropped... not saying BYP cant build motors pretty sure they are gun at it, shit i was considering building my b18c wit them. I just can't accept its 12k complete for it to be dropped in my eg.

Could it be a k20a3? k20a2? or maybe its an auto engine with a manual gearbox attached to it (does have its benefits)

Oh and I didn't trash it at all .... i dont have my fulls yet mate. Did not want to attract more attention then I was already getting.

You really own them cars? Or they are your dads? and you only own the CE?

[Mikecivic78]

K i have done my research on K20 'A' (called a few places today) Cheapest quote i got for it to be dropped into my eg $12480 with kpro
Price Break down:
K20 'A' - $7000
K Pro - $1500
Plumbing/Wiring/Mounts/Axles/Fuel/Another parts needed - $3280
Labour - free DIY backyard job.
Tune at JEM (Just engine Management) quoted atleast $700 (they said it could go up)


This is not even including other things that i would like to get done ... I/H/E, engineers cert, change in insurance, etc etc. Pretty sure the price you got quoted wasn't a k20 'A' or if it was, some other gear box was used? Some where the quality of parts used dropped... not saying Benon cant build motors pretty sure his a gun at it. I just can't accept its 12k for it to be dropped in my eg.

Could it be a k20a3? k20a2? or maybe its an auto engine with a manual gearbox attached to it (does have its benefits)


DIY it will take a long time ( i mean months ), unless u have done the swap before


There are also 'hidden' costs that u didn't mention (maybe included in what u said but keep in mind)

-new oil + filter
-coolant and maybe new rad.
- maybe new plugs, water pump, belts
- engineering to make it legal - brake upgrade, engineering certificate + mod plate

some semi serious cash involved in the above...but for $12K + it must include these.



OR spend the 12K+ and the $ for the Eg sale on a Integra Type R

IMO I would choose the latter

[amant02]

I didnt even think about breaks, thought my 5stud conversion would've been suitable.

This was just a thought man, ages ago. I have only 5 months left on my suspension, then 3 months on my green's, the day I get my fulls is the day ill get my turbo regardless how empty my pockets are lol.

[Mikecivic78]

I didnt even think about breaks, thought my 5stud conversion would've been suitable.

This was just a thought man, ages ago. I have only 5 months left on my suspension, then 3 months on my green's, the day I get my fulls is the day ill get my turbo regardless how empty my pockets are lol.


inb4rexorevo

[connorling]

Very common to have a fast s15 skyline supra rx7 wrx n evo, but u rarely see fast Honda civic, n that element of surprise is enough reason for me to drive a civic with b or k engine.

It is to prove the point of not all civic is a ricer.

[connorling]

If a car I really like (eg hatch) I wouldn't care how much it costs to build the car I want it to b. The money I spent on my eg could get me a r33 gtr or rx7 s8 etc. But I love eg, so I build eg. Don't care if faster or slower than other cars

[amant02]

I have had 2 civics with b series, its not what i classify as 'fast', ever been in a gtr 35? it made my lungs sink in deeper with each corner. Had to put my shin up against the center console just to hold myself into place.

[DarkAgent]

I have had 2 civics with b series, its not what i classify as 'fast', ever been in a gtr 35?

Ever been shot out of a cannon?

[connorling]

I have had 2 civics with b series, its not what i classify as 'fast', ever been in a gtr 35? it made my lungs sink in deeper with each corner. Had to put my shin up against the center console just to hold myself into place.

Don't have to be fast to have fun?

[EKVTIR-T]

Very common to have a fast s15 skyline supra rx7 wrx n evo, but u rarely see fast Honda civic, n that element of surprise is enough reason for me to drive a civic with b or k engine.

It is to prove the point of not all civic is a ricer.
You know I have to admit I also thought this way when I was younger.
I understand the whole underdog thing,more satisfying winning with a NA vtec yada yada but at the end of the day youre still driving a shitbox eg.

For interests sake lets use minimum in the 12s as a yardstick for "fast",you spend xyz amount of money making your b/k get to that level,and lets face it you need to spend a fair bit of coin to make a honda do that.

Meanwhile youve spent all that money trying to prove a point to mr gtr and rx7 who pulled the same time with a $500 xforce catback and a bit of boost and couldnt give 2 shits about your civic...

anyway just something to ponder :p

[Bludger]

You know I have to admit I also thought this way when I was younger.
I understand the whole underdog thing,more satisfying winning with a NA vtec yada yada but at the end of the day youre still driving a shitbox eg.

For interests sake lets use minimum in the 12s as a yardstick for "fast",you spend xyz amount of money making your b/k get to that level,and lets face it you need to spend a fair bit of coin to make a honda do that.

Meanwhile youve spent all that money trying to prove a point to mr gtr and rx7 who pulled the same time with a $500 xforce catback and a bit of boost and couldnt give 2 shits about your civic...

anyway just something to ponder :p
sup indie

[connorling]

You know I have to admit I also thought this way when I was younger.
I understand the whole underdog thing,more satisfying winning with a NA vtec yada yada but at the end of the day youre still driving a shitbox eg.

For interests sake lets use minimum in the 12s as a yardstick for "fast",you spend xyz amount of money making your b/k get to that level,and lets face it you need to spend a fair bit of coin to make a honda do that.

Meanwhile youve spent all that money trying to prove a point to mr gtr and rx7 who pulled the same time with a $500 xforce catback and a bit of boost and couldnt give 2 shits about your civic...

anyway just something to ponder :p
Since u talkig about 12sec, I just talk about the straight line racing.
standard civic eg runs 17+ sec 1/4 mile, I have spent $25000 to not only go fast bit, but handling as well. I m getting 13sec, about 30% faster.

Standard Gtr 35 runs around 12 sec or so, how much u think it cost to get the Gtr 30%faster (~8sec)?

[connorling]

You know I have to admit I also thought this way when I was younger.
I understand the whole underdog thing,more satisfying winning with a NA vtec yada yada but at the end of the day youre still driving a shitbox eg.

For interests sake lets use minimum in the 12s as a yardstick for "fast",you spend xyz amount of money making your b/k get to that level,and lets face it you need to spend a fair bit of coin to make a honda do that.

Meanwhile youve spent all that money trying to prove a point to mr gtr and rx7 who pulled the same time with a $500 xforce catback and a bit of boost and couldnt give 2 shits about your civic...

anyway just something to ponder :p

yes I do agree if u want power, go look for skyline and supra.
In terms o power, Honda will cost more to match the power level supra and skyline can achieve.

For me, I would rather have my eg than other cars.

[DarkAgent]

Meanwhile youve spent all that money trying to prove a point to mr gtr and rx7 who pulled the same time with a $500 xforce catback and a bit of boost and couldnt give 2 shits about your civic...



If you're trying to prove a point to MrGTR or MrRX7, you're a sack to begin with. If there's any reason to do it, its to have a sleeper that gets the least amount of attention possible.

[amant02]

Mate you know wat a sleeper is?

[Bludger]

Mate you know wat a sleeper is?
are you talkiing to ekvtir-t?

[DarkAgent]

Mate you know wat a sleeper is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeper_%28car%29

[curtis265]

Mate you know wat a sleeper is?

i have no idea what a sleeper is, this concept is new to me

please elaborate

[GSi_PSi]

Okay say for example your talking about bang for buck performance?

Tell me, what car cheaper than a rotrexed K24 civic EG running a 1:02 around Wakefield
Lets say $1k for EG civic
$20k for Rotrexed K24 built with gearset and LSD
$5k for cage, wing, suspension etc
$3k for wheels , brake and slicks

What car can compete with those times?, cause I been to Wakefield and talked with some folk
One guy was close running a 1:03 in his turbo 2zz lotus Elise
His gearbox alone cost $100K , I didn't want to ask how much in total it cost him.

[amant02]

Lotus>Honda?
Honda is known for its family cars
Lotus is known for performance?


K you can google, now your 'fully hectic done up civic' isnt gonna attract more attention then a factory turbo with simple bolt ons?

[GSi_PSi]

Lotus>Honda?
Honda is known for its family cars
Lotus is known for performance?


K you can google, now your 'fully hectic done up civic' isnt gonna attract more attention then a factory turbo with simple bolt ons?

Dude go smoke some more weed , cause you obviously have lost a few braincells might aswell finish yourself off .

[amant02]

What its hard to accept that civics are family cars?

Where as the lotus comes race spec from factory?


Whats weed gota do with this?

Im the one comparing a top end car to the car which was originally bought by a middle income earner FOR his/her family.

Now if you were to compare the NSX to the Lotus I wouldn't have made that statement.

[GSi_PSi]

What its hard to accept that civics are family cars?

Where as the lotus comes race spec from factory?


Whats weed gota do with this?

When was it about what image the car has and more to do with bang for buck wise in lap times.

Weed is the reason for you condition