Integra, civic or prelude?

[Goku]

hey guys i have recently put my car up for sale and i have made up mind that i am going to sell it. but the only thing now is that im not sure what to get next? i love integras, preludes and civics. but since i owned an eg civic i am more into the coupes now. im not too sure what model they are but i think its like ej8 or em1. but i will definately get a vtir integra or preludes as im not too sure how the models go on the civic coupes. i got a few questions to ask here.

1. out of the three cars mentioned above, which one is the fastest? its a pretty stupid question cause i think the prelude is but a lot of people said that the b18 on the teg would beat it.

2. teg, prelude or civic coupe? which one is the best if anyone here has any experience owning them.

3. does the coupe come with b18 engine or just d16y8? and is the d16y8 powerful at all? can u hear the crossover?

thats all. thanks guys.

[NeedVtec]

1) out of all models (assuming vti-r)

teg would be the cheapest, goes harder than the civic, just as hard if not harder than the lude.

2) EM1 (vti-r) comes with b16, otherwise its a d16 on base model.

[Indie]

The Prelude is fast in a line, but it's more of a cruiser than anything I'd call 'sporty'. I wouldn't personally consider one. My mate isn't a fan of his.

I'd have a Civic hatch out of any of them, for weight savings, but as you want a sedan, I guess the Teg is the way to go.

[simmy]

jdmd15b> d16, b18, preludes

natsrs


i like integras more, louder cross over than the lude and ej8
em1 has b16, not too bad also

[ericl33]

flip a coin if you can't make up your mind.

[DTN]

1) i assume the dc2 would be the quickest if the 3

2) i had a prelude before, the car was nice but there wasnt much mods for it compare to the tegs and civics. Just sumfin to consider if yur planning to mod it. The b18 definitely revs harder than the h22. Not sure about the b16 in the em1 tho. If it was me i would pick the em1... love them!

[dwn_boi]

i've had my prelude for years now, 270km and still going strong it was one of my fav cars, its fast and not that I race =P but I have beaten plenty of integras in her time haha they are quick and have the luxury of having leather interior and climate control + cruise control, deff was my pick of the bunch when I was searching for cars ^__^ Also regarding corners and stuff, they are sweet, once I lowered her and put some good tyres on she went mad!

Plus the motors are really strong too, that na civic that does 11's has the h22a motor in it!

[EG52NV]

i've had my prelude for years now, 270km and still going strong it was one of my fav cars, its fast and not that I race =P but I have beaten plenty of integras in her time haha they are quick and have the luxury of having leather interior and climate control + cruise control, deff was my pick of the bunch when I was searching for cars ^__^ Also regarding corners and stuff, they are sweet, once I lowered her and put some good tyres on she went mad!

Plus the motors are really strong too, that na civic that does 11's has the h22a motor in it!

Well your talking about a civic with a h22a motor, 2.2l in a lil hatch back, power to weight ratio just went through the roof! Don't expect that sort of Peformance in a stock prelude

[Jccck]

i had a prelude before, the car was nice but there wasnt much mods for it compare to the tegs and civics. Just sumfin to consider if yur planning to mod it!

Disregard this ^
You can buy anything you want for almost any Honda.
As a whole, Honda has the best aftermarket support of any manufacturer (Nissan doesn't even come a 'close' second)
Don't let modification options influence your decision, because you can buy ANYTHING you could ever want for any of those cars.

Integra's and Civic's might have 100 brands of 'X-Part' avaliable in all levels of quality.. But in reality you only want the best, and you'll find it for any Honda easily and at a similar price.

[butterfingers]

none of them will flatter your ego more than a dc2r

[curtis265]

the most important question is... what are you after from your car?

From a prelude owner's perspective, it's too heavy to become 'race car' spec and isn't a wise choice to start with, unless you want to be unique about it (i.e. spend a bit more). IT does make a very good sporty cruiser sort of thing, the occasional hillrun/skidpan car. Most ozhonda members aren't able to grasp this concept, as most seem want fullysick kswap cars. ( don't get me wrongi have nothing against it)

The prelude is the fastest based on statistics alone (for vti-r models)
Civic EM1: 118 kW/1114 = 105 kW/t
Integra: 125 kw/1176=106 kW/t
Prelude : 147/1305=112kw/t...
I daresay it's a drivers race because the prelude's gears are too long

i think but there seems to be a fair bit more aftermarket support available here for it. Yes it's true that you can buy almost anythiing.. but at what cost? It's going to cost a lot if you need to keep getting things from the US





I'm not sure which is the loudest crossover but i think they're all pretty noticeable, and will become more noticable with some intake work

[Jccck]

i think but there seems to be a fair bit more aftermarket support available here for it. Yes it's true that you can buy almost anythiing.. but at what cost? It's going to cost a lot if you need to keep getting things from the US

I got ALL my parts from the USA, and even with shipping it's cheaper than buying an equivalent item in Australia (If you can even find it)
Trust me, Parts won't cost any more for a Prelude/Accord than they do for a Civic/Integra.

Friend had a BB6 Lude, with IHE.. Was quite a quick car!
Handled quite well with only a set of lowered Lovell's springs and some decent tyres.

But really, are you getting it so you can take it to the track?
If not.. Just get whatever suits you, for looks and style.
Ultimately you can many any car awesome with a few $'s.

[GSi_PSi]

1. Completly stock for stock, would be a very close race but i think the integra would win, in my experience my modded b18c2 dc2 > modded jap h22a Bb4 (is lighter than the bb6)
2. Facelift 98+ DC2 > EM1 > BB6 >PL 93+ DC2 > EJ8
3. EM1 comes with a B16A, which really should have been a B18 imo, the EJ8 comes with the D16-Ybother

[Evok]

Mate has a bb6 prelude his willing to sell if you got a good offer ( PM me )

Overall, IMO
b18c2 vs'd a h22a with a catback a while back ago...i pulled at the launch but after he ended up pulling after. But that cause the h22a has more torque and power itself + mine was stock and he had a cat back exhaust.
Preludes are very nice cruise cars but i wouldn't think about tracking one compared to a dc2/civic.

All awesome cars

[Wru]

Prelude for comfort and looks (Especially a BB4 one of the best looking hondas to date I reckon). Preludes still go hard, they are 100-200kg heavier but come with the 2.2 so you won't notice performance differences unless you're really tracking your car.

Parts for preludes and their engines are slightly more expensive then integra/civic parts as they arent as common, but there are still plenty of parts available.


In my opinion you should buy a Em1, ej8 or dc2/4 shell and swap in a H or K engine and have some real fun.
You can diy if you know what you're doing, spend like 5-7k and have something that will shit in the faces of DC2R's

[integragsi96]

Id go this:
Prelude: For looks and Practicality
Civic: For engine swap
Integra: For less things needed to have fun

[manonastick]

i would think that the civic would be the most practical but i can be wrong.
just go get a dc2r lol
end of story

[integragsi96]

nahh the prelude is.
dat look
dat space
dat climate control

[curtis265]

I'd call them all roughly equal on practicality..

[Super-DA9]

Ian,

please take these things into account with your choice of car.

1: use this thread for info but DON'T base your decision entirely on what people here suggest, as helpful as the info may be it will be YOUR car and ultimately must be chosen by you.

2: have a good think about what your goals are and what you want to get out of the car. luxury/performance/practicality. and consider these aspects of each one.

3: don't let the whole "loudest VTAK crossover" thing influence your decision, generally a smooth crossover will mean smoother/better power delivery.

4: don't sell your current EG8 as a rolling shell with no engine because no one will buy it and if they do you will get like $50 for it. drop the new motor in first, then sell it as a functioning vehicle for decent $$$.

regards,

Tim.

[Wru]

i would think that the civic would be the most practical but i can be wrong.
Only hatch back civics are practical, the coupe's are similar to integra's in terms of space/practicality.

[eeko]

Op... ive spent a decent amount of time in each of the cars your looking at buying..

1) Would be the dc2 vtir overall.. straightline would be prelude but of course its really dependant on driver and mods... as my ek4 with a b16a2 with I/H/E is quicker than my mates stock dc2 vtir

2)Purely dependant on what you value the most.. tbh b16a2 which is in the ek4/em1 lacks torque so for daily driving if i had to choose again id go dc2.. prelude is too fat from when ive driven them.. but yeah prelude is a good cruiser... ek4 /em1 lacks torque, but if you can live with it theres an upside.

3)The upside Em1 / ek4 b16a2 (same engine) crossover sounds mental... especially with I/H/E and the right exhaust.. screams and turns into a different beast from 5600 all the way to 8200...

Gl in choosing.. i had this dilemma a few months ago when i was looking to buy aswell.. ultimately it came between the dc2 and ek ..

[Indie]

I don't know where this supposed Prelude practicality is coming from, at least as far as 4th gen are concerned. I've always found the cabin, storage and rear seats to be far less roomy than the DC2. It's almost impossible to fit in the back of a Prelude, and it only seats four due to the intrusive central column. But we always need to sit with our feet on the rear seat next to us just to fit in, and we're only 6 foot. Plus, the boot is less practical than the DC2's folding seats and hatch, which will swallow a huge amount of shit. This is all despite the fact that it's a bigger vehicle externally.

If it were a RWD Silvia competitor, I would possibly be driving one, but it isn't. As a result, I've just never seen the point. Nice cruiser, yeah, but the Integra can do that with more practical packaging.

[curtis265]

5thgen prelude seats will fold down

[Indie]

5thgen prelude seats will fold downWhat's the interior space like? I've never actually sat in one. It's something that they fold down, but it's still tough to compete with the Integra's coupe/hatch setup.

[drsilliez]

Prelude

[GSi_PSi]

I don't know where this supposed Prelude practicality is coming from, at least as far as 4th gen are concerned. I've always found the cabin, storage and rear seats to be far less roomy than the DC2. It's almost impossible to fit in the back of a Prelude, and it only seats four due to the intrusive central column. But we always need to sit with our feet on the rear seat next to us just to fit in, and we're only 6 foot. Plus, the boot is less practical than the DC2's folding seats and hatch, which will swallow a huge amount of shit. This is all despite the fact that it's a bigger vehicle externally.

If it were a RWD Silvia competitor, I would possibly be driving one, but it isn't. As a result, I've just never seen the point. Nice cruiser, yeah, but the Integra can do that with more practical packaging.

So if the prelude were RWD you would consider it ? The added weight of the RWD and drivetrain power loss would warrant the car a need for a turbo charger
or increase in naturally aspirated performance power output, otherwise it would be a super nugget. If only honda werent so cheap and turbo friendly

[Evok]

I roll in my DC2 with a surf board, fishing rods, my bmx and my girlfriend's bmx in the back
In terms of space..

Prelude has the least...( 5th gen )
Civic has height wise, and integra length wise

[Goku]

thank u all for helping me. well i am still making my mind. because i was the first among my friends to own a honda and my mate decided to get an ek4 and then another mate of mine got a dc4. not long after that my other mate got a prelude vtir. and i have driven all of them and i completely agree that the prelude does feel heavy but it is more luxurious compared to the civics and tegs. i wont be taking my car to the track or anything like that anytime soon. but i might in the future. i found a em1 with a b18c2 in it and between that and the dc2 vtir, which would go faster? as now i am deciding between them 2. and also i have to say i love the sunroofs!!! i know it adds like a bit more weight but i just cant resist them!!

cheers

[eeko]

Depends on the mods on each and the health of the engine themselves... Service history etc.. Weight wise should just be almost the same off the top of my head.. Dc2 will have way more boot space overall when the rear seats are folded but the em1 has a bigger boot compared to the hatches because its a bit longer...

If I were you I'd go for the one in better condition... But then again I see alot of dc 2 vtirs around nowadays and a em1 with b18c2 would = win and be very rare

[Goku]

I completely agree with you. By the way, how does the d16y8 go? Are they underpowered in the ej8s? Or do they go ok?

[Jccck]

What's the interior space like? I've never actually sat in one. It's something that they fold down, but it's still tough to compete with the Integra's coupe/hatch setup.

It's okay if you're in the front.. But it really does feel like a sporty Coupe.
Has decent boot space.
Rear seats are shit, so little room!
It's comfy in the back, but you'd wanna be short lol

[eeko]

I completely agree with you. By the way, how does the d16y8 go? Are they underpowered in the ej8s? Or do they go ok?

d16y8 ... i wouldnt bother... really. mate had one before he got his em1, told me its worlds apart engine wise.. sure with a few mods it would go alright.. but theres nothing like the sound of that dohc vtec :)


It's okay if you're in the front.. But it really does feel like a sporty Coupe.
Has decent boot space.
Rear seats are shit, so little room!
It's comfy in the back, but you'd wanna be short lol

Funnily enough the prelude has the smallest rear seat between the ek and integra haha.. probably because of the low low roof line.. and for some reason the least legroom too.. :/

[curtis265]

Indie, the prelude's folding seats are OK, but i can't say i've ever needed them, i don't use my car for those purposes. It definitely can't compare to the fastback shape of the integra... that's pretty much a mini ute.

I would definitely say the prelude interior will shit all over the others though, here's mine
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/roflcurtis/IMG_6230.jpg
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/roflcurtis/IMG_6234.jpg

the Prelude struggles a bit with the low roof. and it has a small cabin (rear seats truly suck) because a lot of the car's length's being taken up by the lengthy bonnet lol, which somehow makes the car look bigger than it actually is (think s2k.. they're tiny!). Also note the wheelbase of these vehicles - the prelude's the longest but has a lot more 'overhang'
civic: WB=2620mm, L=4450
integra: WB=2570mm, L=4380
prelude: WB=2585mm, L=4545

IF you can get an ATTS prelude it'll eat the others in the bends too

[cihanvtec]

go rwd turbo.. you will never look back! nissan ftw

[Indie]

So if the prelude were RWD you would consider it ? The added weight of the RWD and drivetrain power loss would warrant the car a need for a turbo charger
or increase in naturally aspirated performance power output, otherwise it would be a super nugget. If only honda werent so cheap and turbo friendlyYeah, if it were RWD and turbo, I'd see it as a somewhat viable alternative to a Silvia, and I'd definitely have one rather than an Integra.

I wonder how a V6 RWD Prelude would have worked out? Just something that was a more practical and less hard-edged alternative to an S2k.

[Wru]

I read an interesting article on the history and development of the prelude, the original designer had planned the car to be awd, however the other heads at honda were fixated with fwd, as well as to cut costs it was scrapped.

What we got out of all that design and planning was the shitty ATTS system which was meant to be better then a good lsd but failed miserably.

I'll try to find that article it was a real good read.

[Jccck]

Yeah, if it were RWD and turbo, I'd see it as a somewhat viable alternative to a Silvia, and I'd definitely have one rather than an Integra.

I wonder how a V6 RWD Prelude would have worked out? Just something that was a more practical and less hard-edged alternative to an S2k.

If the Prelude was a V6 Turbo RWD, it would be a completely different car.
It's a 4Cyl FWD Coupe, if you don't like it that's just too bad.

There is no doubt that a BB4/BB6 Lude is one of the most driver and pocket friendly P Plater legal cars on the road.

[GSi_PSi]

http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/sstp_1007_1998_honda_prelude/


http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/featuredvehicles/sstp_1007_1998_honda_prelude/27719798+w791/sstp_1007_11_o+1998_honda_prelude+front_shot.jpg

[Indie]

If the Prelude was a V6 Turbo RWD, it would be a completely different car.
It's a 4Cyl FWD Coupe, if you don't like it that's just too bad.

There is no doubt that a BB4/BB6 Lude is one of the most driver and pocket friendly P Plater legal cars on the road.Yes, and my point is, it should be. This thread highlights my issue. If we have the Civic, Integra and Prelude, those are three NA 4cyl FWD coupes. I don't see the point in having such a similar line up.

At the same time, Nissan had a more varied line-up. They had a light, RWD 4cyl turbo; a couple of RWD NA sixes; a turbo RWD six; and an AWD turbo six. There's a lot more variety there. That's why I'm saying that, yes, the Prelude should have been a different car, just to differentiate it from the rest of the line-up.

[trism]

Same story with Toyota.

Would've been nice if the crx/delsol was MR, and the prelude AWD, with the teg being an FR leaving only an FF civic.

[Super-DA9]

Yes, and my point is, it should be. This thread highlights my issue. If we have the Civic, Integra and Prelude, those are three NA 4cyl FWD coupes. I don't see the point in having such a similar line up.

At the same time, Nissan had a more varied line-up. They had a light, RWD 4cyl turbo; a couple of RWD NA sixes; a turbo RWD six; and an AWD turbo six. There's a lot more variety there. That's why I'm saying that, yes, the Prelude should have been a different car, just to differentiate it from the rest of the line-up.

dude, you seem to be very solid that nissan>honda and RWD>FWD, what are you doing here? should be on nissansilvia.com lol

[Indie]

dude, you seem to be very solid that nissan>honda and RWD>FWD, what are you doing here? should be on nissansilvia.com lolI feel that the point I made about Nissan offering different options was valid. I didn't say anything about the RWD vs. FWD debate.

What I actually did say was: why have three vehicles with very similar drivetrains and layouts?

[Super-DA9]

not just your last comment but your comments earlier and in other threads. like when you said that RWD is better overall performance in that guys DC5S thread.

i dunno man it just seems like you spend a lot of time here but dont like honda much. not saying you have to like honda but it's just odd to me.

[Mikecivic78]

OP, don't even bother with the ej8. Get a manual B-series Vti-R, be it prelude, integra or civic.

Get the cleanest car, regardless. They are all old cars and there aren't many good examples out there anymore, so keep your options open.

[curtis265]

not just your last comment but your comments earlier and in other threads. like when you said that RWD is better overall performance in that guys DC5S thread.

i dunno man it just seems like you spend a lot of time here but dont like honda much. not saying you have to like honda but it's just odd to me.

ozhonda welcomes all members abourd

[Super-DA9]

ozhonda welcomes all members abourd

fair enough

[mugen_ctr]

Civic has the most space outta all of em, and interesting enough has almost same room as most average 4 door saloon vehicles... My mates Xr6 has slighty less leg room than my civic at the back, surprised me alot!

From my experience civic vs teggy

As a driver, i think most ppl would opt for the feel of DC2 cabin as its more enclosed, an feels like u can engage more to the car, and u also sit lower compared to the civic.... Civic on the other hand, Very roomy, but sometimes i wished it had more of a dc2 enclosed feeling to it.. and the roof line/profile is a bit to high for my liking, and with a bucket seat with low rails, theres HEAPS of head room, kinda wished they had a lower roof line similar to that of teggy for that more sporty look, but guess thats what dc2 is there for lol....

As for driving, Em1 vs Dc2, dc2 has a better feel to it... but em1 IMO looks better and easier to live with, as theres room for passengers, a decent sized boot, doesnt attract attention as much

[DTN]

how much you willing to spend on the next car? clean em1 and dc2 are harder to find than a clean prelude imo. As for room my friends say theres more in my dc2 than my bb6

[curtis265]

how much you willing to spend on the next car? clean em1 and dc2 are harder to find than a clean prelude imo. As for room my friends say theres more in my dc2 than my bb6

buy mine, you won't find cleaner guaranteed

[ericl33]

ozhonda welcomes all members abourd
not all, mikeyG can get fkd

[integraR]

test drive all 3 cars and see them in real life and base your decision of what you like/see

also determine which is the best condition

[Goku]

That's a good idea. I have to say that the ludes are a bit out of budget. Most of the clean ones are about 8k++. Found a a fair clean dc2 for 6900 and it doesn't look bad at all!! Also found a em1 but it doesn't have a sunroof :( do they all come without sunroof? I've seen a couple on the road with sunroof n some without. Did they just fit it as an aftermarket upgrade or something?

[Indie]

not just your last comment but your comments earlier and in other threads. like when you said that RWD is better overall performance in that guys DC5S thread.

i dunno man it just seems like you spend a lot of time here but dont like honda much. not saying you have to like honda but it's just odd to me.Wow, previous comments and previous threads? I didn't realise my posts were so memorable.

Anyway, they're not exactly relevant to this discussion. I haven't brought up anything about FWD performance potential in this thread, so I don't see why you're calling me out on it. All I'm talking about here is the Prelude, and how I don't see where it fits into the Honda line-up.

This isn't a FWD/RWD debate, it's a discussion about the virtues and drawbacks of each car. For someone who supposedly loves Honda so much more than I do, you're not really presenting any arguments in the Prelude's favour. In this thread, I said that if the Prelude was Honda's alternative to the Silvia, rather than a less-practical Integra, I'd have one. As it stands, I don't see any benefit to having a Prelude over an Integra.

It's a discussion about cars. I like discussing cars. That's why I come here. If I ever buy a Silvia, I'll be sure to take your suggestion and **** off to nissansilvia.com, but while I still drive a Honda, I think I'll stay put.

[Super-DA9]

Wow, previous comments and previous threads? I didn't realise my posts were so memorable.

Anyway, they're not exactly relevant to this discussion. I haven't brought up anything about FWD performance potential in this thread, so I don't see why you're calling me out on it. All I'm talking about here is the Prelude, and how I don't see where it fits into the Honda line-up.

This isn't a FWD/RWD debate, it's a discussion about the virtues and drawbacks of each car. For someone who supposedly loves Honda so much more than I do, you're not really presenting any arguments in the Prelude's favour. In this thread, I said that if the Prelude was Honda's alternative to the Silvia, rather than a less-practical Integra, I'd have one. As it stands, I don't see any benefit to having a Prelude over an Integra.

It's a discussion about cars. I like discussing cars. That's why I come here. If I ever buy a Silvia, I'll be sure to take your suggestion and **** off to nissansilvia.com, but while I still drive a Honda, I think I'll stay put.

haha settle down mr. keyboard champion i didn't mean any aggression, just what I noticed.

[Jccck]

I think the biggest question this thread raises;

Is WHY is there no Accord option?
Accords are the superior.

[YeahByuddy]

I think the biggest question this thread raises;

Is WHY is there no Accord option?
Accords are the superior.

he not mention about accord that y.easy to understand this things


hey guys i have recently put my car up for sale and i have made up mind that i am going to sell it. but the only thing now is that im not sure what to get next? i love integras, preludes and civics. but since i owned an eg civic i am more into the coupes now. im not too sure what model they are but i think its like ej8 or em1. but i will definately get a vtir integra or preludes as im not too sure how the models go on the civic coupes. i got a few questions to ask here.

1. out of the three cars mentioned above, which one is the fastest? its a pretty stupid question cause i think the prelude is but a lot of people said that the b18 on the teg would beat it.

2. teg, prelude or civic coupe? which one is the best if anyone here has any experience owning them.

3. does the coupe come with b18 engine or just d16y8? and is the d16y8 powerful at all? can u hear the crossover?

thats all. thanks guys.

[xenonkuraz]

1. Integra - I'd opt for the VTi-R model but if you can afford the Type-R (around $13k these days?) then go for it. The VTi-R has good grunt but the Type-R encompasses power and class.

2. Civic - Obviously you like the styling of the EJ8/EM1 models. Again I'd go for the VTi-R ($8k ballpark?) and they come standard with B16A's. From experience as fast as the DC2 VTi-R.

3. Prelude - BB6 model? I know a few people who have this car and do not like it. It feels heavy and even though it has the competent H22A it still doesn't seem to deliver the sporty essence of the above two models.

In the end it's your choice and no one can tell you what to choose.

Take the 3 for a test drive and see which one you like best.

It may even come down to small details that make you smile, like the red stitching and recaros in a DC2R or the agressive stance of a lowered EM1.

[amant02]

That's a good idea. I have to say that the ludes are a bit out of budget. Most of the clean ones are about 8k++. Found a a fair clean dc2 for 6900 and it doesn't look bad at all!! Also found a em1 but it doesn't have a sunroof :( do they all come without sunroof? I've seen a couple on the road with sunroof n some without. Did they just fit it as an aftermarket upgrade or something?

The Sunroof was the optional extra from factory on em1's. Em1 is sexiest honda i have laid my eyes on reason for me buying one never looked back (even thou i paid above market price for it)
You can also get a aftermarket one for approx 600 bucks as i been quoted, but research aftermarket sunroofs leak idunno after reading that, sunroof idea was out the door for me.
If your after speed and corners go the dc2 I personally think the dc2 is out of factory track chassis.

Its all up to you. I think the ludes arent pretty honda has fkd the look somehow in all models. BB6 came close to perfection but damn them head lights, i was about to buy one but something feels uneasy about the bb6


(All eyes on me wen i go for my sunday crusies em1 ftw) And keep it oem! sexyness

PS: I believe the b16 has the loudest crossover, b16b that is.

[Goku]

i also found a dc2 vtir with a jdm front end conversion and holy shit they look amazing!! still deciding between the em1's and dc2's :) so the d16y8 engines in the ej8's are basically no good? i know its a sohc vtec. can u even hear the crossover on them engines :) thanks guys

[migoreng]

I always wanted a bit of luxury feature which is why I chose the BB6 Prelude..
Climate control, leather seats, sunroof, cruise control, cup holders.. :P

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/migoreng1/project/DSC03171Medium.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/migoreng1/_NEW_DSLR/hondaprelude/DSC_0003.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/migoreng1/_NEW_DSLR/hondaprelude/DSC_0007.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/migoreng1/_NEW_DSLR/hondaprelude/DSC_0009.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/migoreng1/_NEW_DSLR/hondaprelude/DSC_0011.jpg

And it looks so clean when modified properly. DO NOT RICE UP A PRELUDE :)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7093/7083457895_18a53a3df0_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/75658867@N02/7083457895/)
DSC_0005o (http://www.flickr.com/photos/75658867@N02/7083457895/) by migorengO_o (http://www.flickr.com/people/75658867@N02/), on Flickr



http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w348/Terry_GT-R34/2012%20Cruises/PA_Drive_Day_Apr2012_03.jpg

http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w348/Terry_GT-R34/2012%20Cruises/PA_Drive_Day_Apr2012_08.jpg

[mugen_ctr]

i also found a dc2 vtir with a jdm front end conversion and holy shit they look amazing!! still deciding between the em1's and dc2's :) so the d16y8 engines in the ej8's are basically no good? i know its a sohc vtec. can u even hear the crossover on them engines :) thanks guys

no good? ppl are on crack! Its a good engine with little maintenance and gets u to work an back with zero hassle like all Honda engines

Its not a performance engine, why cant ppl get over that fact lol... if u want performance obvious choice would be the EM1... Ej8 is base model is essentially a coupe for ppl who want a coupe and not a sports orientated model, though when u mod it, like any cars, its a different story!

[EKVTIR-T]

Love bb6 interior

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/migoreng1/project/DSC03171Medium.jpg

[GSi_PSi]

I really like the cluster on the bb6 , the font looks cool

[xenonkuraz]

te d16 is a good starting point, but might as well go for the better b16

[Mikecivic78]

Love bb6 interior

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/migoreng1/project/DSC03171Medium.jpg

sorry to repost, but I gotta say this pic came out the best noodlemun;) This no nonsense interior has aged well.

[ericl33]

that pic brochure worthy.

[curtis265]

damn black... looksodamgood

[EG8 CIVIC]

My coupe came with d16a(no leters and numbers)! :-P

[Goku]

well im only on my p1's right now and im getting my p'2s in a couple of months. but i wont be able to turbo the car but i will most likely turbo it cause im thinking of keeping the next car i get for a quite long time. :) is there ant problems with turboing a b16 or a b18? cause if i remember correctly someone said it was harder to turbo them compared to the d series engine. again im still learning so i dont know much and thats why i ask soo many questions. sorry guys. so the d16y8's are not that bad as some people would say it is? can u even hear the crossover or even feel it???

cheers

[mugen_ctr]

well im only on my p1's right now and im getting my p'2s in a couple of months. but i wont be able to turbo the car but i will most likely turbo it cause im thinking of keeping the next car i get for a quite long time. :) is there ant problems with turboing a b16 or a b18? cause if i remember correctly someone said it was harder to turbo them compared to the d series engine. again im still learning so i dont know much and thats why i ask soo many questions. sorry guys. so the d16y8's are not that bad as some people would say it is? can u even hear the crossover or even feel it???

cheers

1. Yes b-series are jus as easy as any motor, regardless if its a Honda or a american Chevy V8, as long as u have the supporting mods like injectors, ecu etc etc sorted out and most important a good tune, it will run jus as well as any factory turbo. And remember to always budget, its easy to say u want to do this and that, but at the end of the day modding cars cost money... Sure guys have made 330kw out of there D16, but be realistic about the power u want to achieve based on the budget, what parts u need and the cost, and add the labor an so forth, nothing comes for free and always at a cost, and always have realistic goals as to what u want out of the car when modding and talking about turbo charging a little 4 banger like ours :)

A basic turbo kit for a D16 is around 2.5 - 5k (regardless of Greddy kit or Home made kit), than add another 500 for labor + 500 > 1000 for tune, it should net u a healthy 100 - 140kw easy, but again all comes down to ur supporting mods and how far u wanna push it

2. D16y8, u cant hear it as much as B16, its there, but u really really have to put ur super hearing on lol... And anyways, dont think of the D-series as a performance engine, but more so a fun engine to scoot around, but once u boost it, its a totally different engine :D

[amant02]

Buy a dc2r again as its gonna keep its value (hopefully not looking to buy one soon) sell it when u on your fulls and get a turbo?

Just an idea. I wouldn't use too much modding a car this old, sliva's cost just abit more. I just like the peace of mind of factory.

Or if money is the issue, get a ej8 do cosmetics only and out of all the cars listed i think it will save you alot on petrol insurance etc etc save up for a sexy car on your fulls.

Nice bb6 u got there mate. Loving the look.

http://i.imgur.com/fOQna.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qCist.jpg


The em1 is just too sexy, the stance can get more aggressive. While she was in my possession the rims cambered alot more.

[tiksie]

DC2R gonna keep its value ?

LOL

Just because the R is dead, doesn't mean it will hold its value. They are dropping like horse shit. Only the extremely clean examples will hold their value and I only know of about 5 in Australia.

Other than that, A JDM tax might be in place for the JDM DC2R.

[Goku]

i guess you are right. its just so hard to make up my mind on what i want. like i know the car that i have right isnt in perfect condition. its just that i am sort of tired wasting a lot of money on it. im only a part time worker cause of year 12 still. but like looking at my other mates and their hondas make me want one of theirs. i love my eg8 but i just found out again that i need to replace the rear drum brake pads and i have spent over 2k in the past 4 months of owning the car. it was my fault that i didnt check the car properly. like just the basics such as oils, any blowing of smoke signs, feel of the clutch and gearbox etc. it just caught my eye and i wanted it straight away. but yeah like i said ive replaced a lot of stuff on it but nothing after market just the same motor and stuff. im still looking at ej8/em1 and dc2 vtir. not a big fan of the prelude even though it is a very beautiful car. but im more of a sporty type a person. cheers

[eeko]

dont bother with an ej8... em1, ek4 or dc2 vtir... mate had an ej8 before his em1... all he ever thought about while owning the ej8 was how much he wished he had an em1... and once he got the em1 all he'd think about was how it was that much better than an ej8... then again...

[ericl33]

DC2R gonna keep its value ?

LOL

Just because the R is dead, doesn't mean it will hold its value. They are dropping like horse shit. Only the extremely clean examples will hold their value and I only know of about 5 in Australia.

Other than that, A JDM tax might be in place for the JDM DC2R.
there are a fair few clean ones around imo.

but you never hear of them, the owners love them and hold onto them.

[amant02]

I reckon its held its value quiet well. Just like the JDM AE86's. Look at them holdens and fords out there. They drop like horse shit.

Please keep in mind we are talking about cars that over 11 years old now, and thats the minimum age.

[ericl33]

Buy a dc2r again as its gonna keep its value (hopefully not looking to buy one soon) sell it when u on your fulls and get a turbo?

Just an idea. I wouldn't use too much modding a car this old, sliva's cost just abit more. I just like the peace of mind of factory.



The em1 is just too sexy, the stance can get more aggressive. While she was in my possession the rims cambered alot more.I have no idea what you said.

[ericl33]

I reckon its held its value quiet well. Just like the JDM AE86's. Look at them holdens and fords out there. They drop like horse shit.
I wouldn't bother with a dc2r unless it was clean, all trashed by P platers doin the vtak

[amant02]

How much is a rebuild these days? 3k? or less?

And if you really loved it alot just clean her up yourself.

[ericl33]

How much is a rebuild these days? 3k? or less?

And if you really loved it alot just clean her up yourself.
It's not the same,

[Goku]

well the hard part is trying to sell my car now :/

[tiksie]

How much is a rebuild these days? 3k? or less?

And if you really loved it alot just clean her up yourself.

When people say 'clean' they don't mean the engine being in good condition..

Yeah you can replace an engine.. But can you replace a chassis ?

Change bushings all you want, do as many rebuilds as you want.. It will never be as good as one that has been looked after and has minimal KM's.


I know of a few bauwau, when I said 4-5 in the country, I meant those that are under 15,000km's from stock.

There was a member on JDMST that sold his DC2R for around the 22k mark last year. It was tracked quite frequently and had only the best parts on it. At the end of the day, it was still an extremely clean example and STILL felt like new!

Just gotta find those uber clean ones and expect to pay 20 to 30k for them and leave them in the garage haha.

[Goku]

is it worth getting gsi integra? and then get a conversion afterwards? has anyone here ever like raced a b18b vs the 18c2?

[GSi_PSi]

is it worth getting gsi integra? and then get a conversion afterwards? has anyone here ever like raced a b18b vs the 18c2?


goku pls

[Indie]

is it worth getting gsi integra? and then get a conversion afterwards? has anyone here ever like raced a b18b vs the 18c2?I have a GSi. I have absolutely no intention of installing any kind of performance modification, or taking it to the track, as such an endeavour would be pointless. As far as daily driving is concerned, though, it was an absolute bargain, and is a lovely car to drive.

I'd still swap it for a clean EG, though.

[Super-DA9]

is it worth getting gsi integra? and then get a conversion afterwards? has anyone here ever like raced a b18b vs the 18c2?


you were thinking of a B18C for your civic in the future dude, it would be a waste of money to buy another car with an engine you don't want....

GSi is a great car to drive but if VTEC is what you want then you are better off getting a car that has it in the first place rather then spending many $$$ on an engine swap later.

[amant02]

One of my mates did that, i still give him shit about it. He had a dc4 for 5k few years back. She was nice stock and it took us to uni and back (100km trip) 5 days a week. He ended up blowing close to 12k on the type r conversion lolol (body, engine, brakes, suspension, recaro's, rims even went as far as the decals) and it still don't look no where as nice as a type R. There's just something about it. Funniest thing of all when a 'real' type R drives by him they always high-beam or honk at him lolol.

WHAT A RICER LOLOL!


PS: That 12k came after finishing uni, when he had a full time job.

[TGW92]

Glad you're leaning towards the integra lololol :p

As stated, don't bother putting b18c2 or c7 into a gsi, just buy a vtir (or a type r if budget allows for it)

As far as things you are concerned about, vtec crossover will be most obvious in the dc2r, but em1 sounds nice on vtec :)

Vtir crossover isn't as pronounced due to dual intake...

The best advice I can give is similar to amant02 above: if you don't get a type r don't try and make it a type r. It won't ever be one, so just try and make it a nice vtir, you can even make it faster than a dc2r if you want...

Best of luck with whatever you choose!

[Indie]

Although you can always easily (if not cheaply) turbo a GSi for something a bit different.

[Goku]

ok thanks guys. i am actually going to get the dc2 vtir i think. but i still cant get over the looks of the em1. i love it too. haha. but i will make up my mind in time. thank you soo much for your help again. oh btw i drove my mates bb6 vtir today and it was unbelievable. it was great. it was an auto though thats the downside for me. but i used the semi-auto on it and its not that bad. i dont know if its me, it felt like it had a slow acceleration. maybe cause its semi auto? i was nervous driving it though. just being careful cause its not my car. cheers

[Mikecivic78]

ok thanks guys. i am actually going to get the dc2 vtir i think. but i still cant get over the looks of the em1. i love it too. haha. but i will make up my mind in time. thank you soo much for your help again. oh btw i drove my mates bb6 vtir today and it was unbelievable. it was great. it was an auto though thats the downside for me. but i used the semi-auto on it and its not that bad. i dont know if its me, it felt like it had a slow acceleration. maybe cause its semi auto? i was nervous driving it though. just being careful cause its not my car. cheers

Good luck bra

like I said, any of these cars are good, just get one that looks good and is mechanically sound

[TGW92]

^ exactly :) best of luck!

[curtis265]

ok thanks guys. i am actually going to get the dc2 vtir i think. but i still cant get over the looks of the em1. i love it too. haha. but i will make up my mind in time. thank you soo much for your help again. oh btw i drove my mates bb6 vtir today and it was unbelievable. it was great. it was an auto though thats the downside for me. but i used the semi-auto on it and its not that bad. i dont know if its me, it felt like it had a slow acceleration. maybe cause its semi auto? i was nervous driving it though. just being careful cause its not my car. cheers

auto is slow, manual is a fair bit quicker but still has relatievly long gears so it feels quite slow

[kans]

prelude is a cruising car because its so heavy not really fast and to be honest its pretty ugly, civic vtir is a good base car to build up from, but i would definately choose the dc2 over all, looks the best out of the 3.

[curtis265]

you're ugly




jks























not jks

























ugly that's purely your option and gut feel rather than providing any solid argument.

1300 kg isn't impossibly heavy.

[GSi_PSi]

Prelude BB6 isnt ugly, heavy for a n/a car maybe, gearbox shitty maybe... but i reckon its sleek and modern unlike the ugly early 90's styling bugeye integra lol JDM front dc2 is sexy

[Indie]

To be honest, I think the BB6 Prelude is hideously ugly, but I didn't allow that to enter into my argument, because it is purely subjective.

But the front on that thing is a disaster in my eyes.

[TGW92]

Prelude BB6 isnt ugly, heavy for a n/a car maybe, gearbox shitty maybe... but i reckon its sleek and modern unlike the ugly early 90's styling bugeye integra lol JDM front dc2 is sexy

Hehe so facelift bugeye is okay then :D

[dwn_boi]

love bb6 interior

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/migoreng1/project/dsc03171medium.jpg

haha this pic just made me miss my prelude interior :) so comfortable, the leather the cf trimming, cruise control and climate control, so much win :)

[Goku]

has anyone here had any experience in boosting a teg, civic or ludes? cause when i do get the car that i really want, im gonna stick with it for a long time and probs boosting it if its worth it???

[Mikecivic78]

has anyone here had any experience in boosting a teg, civic or ludes? cause when i do get the car that i really want, im gonna stick with it for a long time and probs boosting it if its worth it???

It'll make your car seriously fast, but will be less reliable than stock (mo' boost, mo' problems).

Is it worth it? It's expensive, especially if u want to make it legal (w/ brake upgrades & engineered). It takes time and effort & don't expect to get much money back for your efforts when u sell the car.

I don't want to put you off, just remember it's a big thing, a turbo project

[migoreng]

People have said: (I think these are the 3 terms).

RELIABLE
CHEAP
POWERFUL

Pick two only...
Want your car to make power and be reliable? Well it won't be cheap.
:P