Scammed by user egb16b

[xiang]

Hey everyone, I just thought this was worth sharing. So please beware if you are considering purchasing anything from the user egb16b.

The user egb16b was advertising a set of coilovers to suit a Honda Accord Euro CL7/9. Found here: http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?156482-***-DC2-amp-EG-Parts-Price-Drop!!-D16Y1-Mini-Me-Package-Buddyclub-P1-***
I went ahead and made the purchase.

Upon arrival of the item, egb16b had sent me coilovers to suit an Honda Accord CF6. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and tried to fit the coilovers, only to find that they do not fit.

I then tried to contact the user on the 6/4/12, but to no avail. I still have not received any sort of response from the user, I have even seen him online numerous times.

I had clearly stated in my PMs and SMSs I was looking for coilovers to suit a CL7/9. His thread had even stated the coilovers were to suit a CL7/9. Upon further research, I found a thread he had started querying the fitmet of CF6 coilovers onto a CL7/9 Accord Euro found here: http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?156407-Will-CD5-coilovers-fit-CL9

I've requested a mod to contact me about the issue, but I still have not heard anything for the past 3 weeks. Is anything going to be done? It is a real shame that the moderators show no interest in these matters. Really puts me off purchasing anything off this site again.

View the post below to see further details about the sale.


Hi Sam,

I've attached below the trail of the sale. You can see that I have clearly stated the chassis number in the PM subject. Even your for sale thread stated coilovers were to suit a CL9 Accord Euro. You've gone ahead and changed this already.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5624/screenshot20120410at938.png
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9986/screenshot20120410at939.png
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9986/screenshot20120410at939.png
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2490/screenshot20120410at940.png
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9986/screenshot20120410at939.png

Below I've attached the sms trail, again you can see I clearly quote my chassis number. You even go and say that you had successfully fitted them previously.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1562/sms1y.png
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7758/sms2.png

I took the off chance that they may have actually fitted, and tried to install them. They do not fit. I've attached below images of the fitment issues. This happened on the first corner we tried. The stock bottom bolt also does not fit the chamber of the coilover.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6529/fitment.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/967/fitment2.jpg

Below is an image of the label on the coilovers clearly stating the chassis model "CF6"
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9458/coiloverbadge.jpg

Again Sam, can you please contact me today to resolve this issue.

[trism]

The only response that will arise from this thread is a "leave negative feedback".

Thats just the way it works, it seems mods/admin dont want to play a part in fixing these problems.

Its been this way in the past, and i cant see it changing.

[trism]

Here is the important part, from here http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/announcement.php?f=11&a=10


NOTE: This information is provided purely as assistance and Ozhonda is in no way responsible for your dealings with other users,individuals or organisations. You buy/sell goods and services on Ozhonda at your own risk.

[EKVTIR-T]

Thanks for the heads up mate

Nice trail of evidence there to support your case too

[xiang]

The only response that will arise from this thread is a "leave negative feedback".

Thats just the way it works, it seems mods/admin dont want to play a part in fixing these problems.

Its been this way in the past, and i cant see it changing.


Here is the important part, from here http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/announcement.php?f=11&a=10

That's fine, I understand that. I'd be happy with any response, just acknowledge the issue, I'm not seeking a mod to resolve the issue, my main concern is other users getting scammed by the same user, hence this thread.

[duzy]

Could it be possible to mod it to fit? Drill the eyelet hole bigger and cut the bush down?
Other than that, spring rates/dampening could be different etc

[wynode]

Hi and thanks for brining this to our attention. A quick look at the user history shows there is a cause for concern.

For anyone buying / selling items we first urge you ALL to read the following thread:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/announcement.php?f=11&a=10

Then if things don't pan out (or even if they do) follow the suggestions here:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/announcement.php?f=11&a=4

To the OP, I see you have contacted us and I apologise for not getting back to you. An email coming your way. Basically there isn't much we can do to have the seller contact you. If however you do take legal action then we can provide all the details as required.

Just a note that we've had issues like this in the past and successfully dealt with them thanks to member feedback

[XB-16-AX]

If u want this resolved, just file a police record and then obtain all the accused user membership info, IP address, history etc via the moderators/owner of this forum.

Otherwise the police can request these information directly from the mods if the mods cant provide u the details.

Dont take the law matter into your own hands as you can either do worse or resolve nothing at all.













(only if its a matter of life and death).

[xiang]

Thanks for your responses..

We're in different states, which makes it a little more difficult.

Just a suggestion with the trade rating. The user did have 1 or 2 negative comments, I did try to click these prior to the purchase, it took me straight to the relevant sales thread. I'm able to see the negative feedback left on a user's wall, but additional comments are not visible to all users. Why is this?

I think giving users additional information about other peoples positive or negative experience with a seller/buyer is so valuable, especially when users are taking all the risk.

https://www.carexpert.com.au/honda

[XB-16-AX]

Doesnt matter which state the accused is located. File a police report at your local police station and provide evidence, transcript etc.

Best to PM mods first to find out what information cam be provided at this initial stage. Then go from there.

[EKVTIR-T]

Doesnt matter which state the accused is located. File a police report at your local police station and provide evidence, transcript etc.

Best to PM mods first to find out what information cam be provided at this initial stage. Then go from there.

I would even consider taking the case to Judge Judy

[XB-16-AX]

I would even consider taking the case to Judge Judy

Trololololololol

[ericl33]

this is not the 1st time egb16b has been named and shamed on ozhonda.

[na-118]

GG! i was going to buy parts off him lucky

[ericl33]

GG! i was going to buy parts off him lucky
duma, may thang cho chet.que mat nguoi viet

[dorikin]

dat scumbag strikes again

[wynode]

Just a suggestion with the trade rating. The user did have 1 or 2 negative comments, I did try to click these prior to the purchase, it took me straight to the relevant sales thread. I'm able to see the negative feedback left on a user's wall, but additional comments are not visible to all users. Why is this?

I think giving users additional information about other peoples positive or negative experience with a seller/buyer is so valuable, especially when users are taking all the risk.

Hi,

If you see a negative comment that's immediately a cause for concern. Did you try PMing the person that left the negative comment? That's always a good place to start.

I've had a look and after going to the user's profile if you click "View Complete Feedbacks for xxxx" it takes you to the page with the summary of comments (which you can then click on to take you to the thread).

[mocchi]

Hi,

If you see a negative comment that's immediately a cause for concern. Did you try PMing the person that left the negative comment? That's always a good place to start.

I've had a look and after going to the user's profile if you click "View Complete Feedbacks for xxxx" it takes you to the page with the summary of comments (which you can then click on to take you to the thread).

xiang wants to know how to read additional comments if it was left.
not just summary

[butterfingers]

If u want this resolved, just file a police record and then obtain all the accused user membership info, IP address, history etc via the moderators/owner of this forum.

Otherwise the police can request these information directly from the mods if the mods cant provide u the details.

Dont take the law matter into your own hands as you can either do worse or resolve nothing at all.













(only if its a matter of life and death).

only thing cops will do is take down your number plate, so when you do get a correct set of coilovers, they'll remember to defect you.

[XB-16-AX]

^^^^
hahaha

I like this! And very tru.

You got raped by some dodgy seller then the 5.0 double ass rape ya!!


Hahahajaha

[Rudy]

Also what seems to be missing from the 'how not to get scammed thread' is to

- get/request verification pictures. This could have all been avoided if he simply had a picture of the part number of the coilover. If he doesnt comply, then red flags. The more pics someone has, the less they have to hide.

- use a credit card funded source where possible even with paypal - might be messy/difficult process, but chargebacks can be done.


Of course Im in no way suggesting you are in any way fault for this, just pointed out to help prevent future ripoffs.

[na-118]

deo con cac du ma
duma, may thang cho chet.que mat nguoi viet

[xiang]

xiang wants to know how to read additional comments if it was left.
not just summary

correct, that's what I'm asking.. Can this be opened up to the public?

[wynode]

Not sure if I'm missing something but, what additional comments? There is only a summary that is left.

[mocchi]

Not sure if I'm missing something but, what additional comments? There is only a summary that is left.

http://s16.postimage.org/esayom0et/image.jpg

[tiksie]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to mocchi again.

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/customavatars/avatar11984_20.gif

[xiang]

thanks for that moochi.

Using the example above:

We are able to see the "A Short Comment (Visible to all): Dolan pls" but not the "Additional comments: (Visible to buyer, seller and staff only): Gooby pul me finger..."
When clicking on the summary you'd expect to be taken to the additional comments to gain further insight about the buyer/seller, currently when you click on the summary, it takes you to the relevant sales thread.

It does not provide any further detail on the sale, I think the Additional comments should be visible to all users, like the summary.

[void-]

OMFG

Gooby

Regards,
Dolan pls

[Bludger]

Is there any update on this question?

http://s16.postimage.org/esayom0et/image.jpg

[wynode]

AFAIK those comments cannot be made public. I suggest PMing the person to get more info.

[xiang]

Wyn.. that is seriosly a poor response.. At least give us a reason... We're trying to contribute to help improve the user experience and to stop other users being scammed like me and many others. That sort of information would seriously play a factor in the decision making process.

Your website should be able to facilitate these details of the sales experience. PM'ing the person is not a reliable method of collecting this information. What if the member is no longer active? What if the member's PM box is full? What if the member doesn't remember the details?

Why can't this be done? Seeing as ozhonda will not take any responsibility of any sales matters, I don't understand why you would not make that sort of vital information public? You cannot expect users to make a properly informed decision about a seller/buyer if you don't provide them with this information.

That information is so valuable.. and it's just sitting there in the back end restricted to the participants of the sale and admins.. what purpose does this serve if the public cannot see it? Are we suppose to gauge all possible information about a sale from a single comment thats restricted to 80 characters? Is it just me, or does this not make sense? It's like putting a password on a review article and restricting it from the public.. wtf's the point?

Is it a technical issue? other than that I can't see any reason why it can't be made public? Can you please explain why this can't be done?

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/freshened-honda-civic-type-r-arrives-in-october

It doesn't have to be all bad comments.. users can post pleasant sales experiences too.

[wynode]

It is a technical issue yes. A poor response, however that is the reason, like it or not.

We do our best to give potential buyers tools/information to protect themselves. However at the end of the day, the the responsibility is up to the buyer and hence bears the risk.

[infurNOS]

this is not the 1st time egb16b has been named and shamed on ozhonda.

Yep. He said he sent payment for one of my items but i got nothing and heard nothing back for 4 weeks. In that time he was logging in and out. Not even a PM saying that he was not interested anymore. Red flag raised then and there..

[ericl33]

Yep. He said he sent payment for one of my items but i got nothing and heard nothing back for 4 weeks. In that time he was logging in and out. Not even a PM saying that he was not interested anymore. Red flag raised then and there..
not even that, just keep your eyes peeled on the forums and you can spot things not quite right.

[mocchi]

did mods here banned him?

[infurNOS]

did mods here banned him?

Must have.

[xiang]

Yeah, he's been banned.. nothing stopping him from creating another account.
Mod's have his IP... dunno if they've done anything with it though.

[void-]

he can changes his ip dude...

[bennjamin]

Yeah, he's been banned.. nothing stopping him from creating another account.
Mod's have his IP... dunno if they've done anything with it though.

As void said - you get around this issue by changing your physical location (IP address) or different proxy. There is then NO way of proving who you are.

[Bludger]

As void said - you get around this issue by changing your physical location (IP address) or different proxy. There is then NO way of proving who you are.
there have been a few randoms popping up lately.

can tell by their posts they have been here a while.

[bennjamin]

there have been a few randoms popping up lately.

can tell by their posts they have been here a while.

Yeah. Some people even use IP screens etc :O)