Quick Reply Needed ( Ek Headlights !!)

[eren]

Hi i just want to know if i can buy these headlights for my 96 ek i know about the pre face and face lift i just want to know if its different like the way it aims the light because its from america would it only suit LHD -Thx
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MUST-BUY-96-97-98-Honda-Civic-DX-EX-LX-SI-EK-JDM-Black-Typer-R-Headlights-/330686009980?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4cfe6c127c

[Drifter995]

you do realise they are adjustable, right?
They have (or should have) some things on the back of them to adjust the direction of the the beam.

[impossi13le]

yes, you can buy them. fitment might not be the best since it's an aftermarket item but as Drifter995 said you can adjust the direction of the beam

[eren]

Are they ? omg i hope so im ganna buy em asap then thx,

[grifty]

LHD ones are not made for RHD vehicles, no matter how much you adjust it wont work. Most people dont care and still buy them.

[mugen_ctr]

And they dont have the hole for parker lights so illegal, but ppl still buy em, so ur call op

[Drifter995]

LHD ones are not made for RHD vehicles, no matter how much you adjust it wont work. Most people dont care and still buy them.

surely the lights point straight forwards? so it wouldn't make a difference either way? /I don't know much about lights

[eren]

Well i cant find RHD (ek9 styled lights ) my budget 150$ and please dont say (Diy).

[FAITHLESS]

nope it points to the right. very irritating. fitment is ok for the ones i have.
and yes illegal because of no parker hole. i'm sure you could drill them in lol.

[Drifter995]

nope it points to the right. very irritating. fitment is ok for the ones i have.
and yes illegal because of no parker hole. i'm sure you could drill them in lol.

huh.. the more you know :D

[ericl33]

surely the lights point straight forwards? so it wouldn't make a difference either way? /I don't know much about lights
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlamp

Regulations and requirements

Modern headlamps are electrically operated, positioned in pairs, one or two on each side of the front of a vehicle. A headlamp system is required to produce a low and a high beam, which may be achieved either by an individual lamp for each function or by a single multifunction lamp. High beams (called "main beams" or "full beams" or "driving beams" in some countries) cast most of their light straight ahead, maximizing seeing distance, but producing too much glare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glare_%28vision%29) for safe use when other vehicles are present on the road. Because there is no special control of upward light, high beams also cause backdazzle from fog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog), rain and snow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow) due to the retroreflection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroreflection) of the water droplets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droplet). Low beams (called "dipped beams" or "passing beams" in some countries) have stricter control of upward light, and direct most of their light downward and either rightward (in right-traffic countries) or leftward (in left-traffic countries), to provide safe forward visibility without excessive glare or backdazzle.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/2005_winter_road_dipped_beam.jpg/220px-2005_winter_road_dipped_beam.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2005_winter_road_dipped_beam.jpg) http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.20wmf1/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2005_winter_road_dipped_beam.jpg)
ECE dipped/low beam


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Asymmetrical low beam illumination of road surface – right-traffic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-_and_left-hand_traffic) beam shown


Low beam

Low beam (dipped beam, passing beam, meeting beam) headlamps provide a distribution of light designed to provide adequate forward and lateral illumination with limits on light directed towards the eyes of other road users, to control glare. This beam is intended for use whenever other vehicles are present ahead. The international ECE Regulations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECE_Regulations) for filament headlamps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlamp#Tungsten-halogen_light_sources)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlamp#cite_note-4) and for high-intensity discharge headlamps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-intensity_discharge_lamp)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlamp#cite_note-5) specify a beam with a sharp, asymmetric cutoff preventing significant amounts of light from being cast into the eyes of drivers of preceding or oncoming cars. Control of glare is less strict in the North American SAE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Automotive_Engineers) beam standard contained in FMVSS / CMVSS 108 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Motor_Vehicle_Safety_Standard_108).[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlamp#cite_note-6)
High beam

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/2005_winter_road_full_beam.jpg/220px-2005_winter_road_full_beam.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2005_winter_road_full_beam.jpg) http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.20wmf1/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2005_winter_road_full_beam.jpg)
ECE high/main beam


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Phare_route.png/220px-Phare_route.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phare_route.png) http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.20wmf1/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phare_route.png)
Symmetrical high beam illumination of road surface


High beam (main beam, driving beam, full beam) headlamps provide a bright, centre-weighted distribution of light with no particular control of light directed towards other road users' eyes. As such, they are only suitable for use when alone on the road, as the glare they produce will dazzle other drivers. International ECE Regulations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECE_Regulations) permit higher-intensity high-beam headlamps than are allowed under North American regulations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Motor_Vehicle_Safety_Standard_108).[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlamp#cite_note-7)
Compatibility with traffic directionality

Most low-beam headlamps are specifically designed for use on only one side of the road (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_directionality). Headlamps for use in left-traffic countries have low-beam headlamps that "dip to the left"; the light is distributed with a downward/leftward bias to show the driver the road and signs ahead without blinding oncoming traffic. Headlamps for right-traffic countries have low beams that "dip to the right", with most of their light directed downward/rightward. Within Europe, when driving a vehicle with RH-traffic headlamps in a LH-traffic country or vice versa for a limited time (as for example on vacation or in transit), it is a legal requirement to adjust the headlamps temporarily so that the wrong-side hot spot of the beam does not dazzle oncoming drivers. This may be achieved by adhering blackout strips or plastic prismatic lenses to a designated part of the lens. Many tungsten (pre-halogen) European-code headlamps made in France by Cibié, Marchal, and Ducellier could be adjusted to produce either a left- or a right-traffic low beam by means of a two-position bulb holder. More recently, some projector-type headlamps can be made to produce a proper left- or right-traffic beam by shifting a lever or other movable element in or on the lamp assembly.
Because wrong-side-of-road headlamps blind oncoming drivers and do not adequately light the driver's way, and blackout strips and adhesive prismatic lenses reduce the safety performance of the headlamps, most countries require all vehicles registered or used on a permanent or semipermanent basis within the country to be equipped with headlamps designed for the correct traffic-handedness. North American vehicle owners sometimes privately import and install Japanese-market (JDM) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_domestic_market) headlamps on their car in the mistaken belief that the beam performance will be better, when in fact such misapplication is quite hazardous and illegal.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlamp#cite_note-8)

[TranceZiggy]

Ask the seller if their angle is adjustable. Also, I believe there is a hole for the parker lights, it's just closed off by plastic, you may just have to cut a hole out where they're supposed to go. Alternatively you can hook the parker relay up to the head lights and it would technically be legal. I believe as long as a light comes on with the first 'click' of your headlight switch, it's all good. This is how older cars had 'parkers', the first click would make the headlights give off a dull light.

[EG52NV]

you do realise they are adjustable, right?
They have (or should have) some things on the back of them to adjust the direction of the the beam.

What kind of fricken advice is this!

USDM headlights are designed for LHD cars therefore their reflectors are designed to cut diagonally up towards the right because in America they drive on the right hand side of the road and the light is aimed diagonally towards the right to illuminate the road as well as street signs.

If you install them into a RHD car driving on the left side of the road you will just bling on coming drivers!!

Do not do this!!!

[Drifter995]

What kind of fricken advice is this!

USDM headlights are designed for LHD cars therefore their reflectors are designed to cut diagonally up towards the right because in America they drive on the right hand side of the road and the light is aimed diagonally towards the right to illuminate the road as well as street signs.

If you install them into a RHD car driving on the left side of the road you will just bling on coming drivers!!

Do not do this!!!

as I said, didn't know this happened... The more you know.

Would be a good idea to see if they are adjustable for rhd use then

[EG52NV]

Ask the seller if their angle is adjustable. Also, I believe there is a hole for the parker lights, it's just closed off by plastic, you may just have to cut a hole out where they're supposed to go. Alternatively you can hook the parker relay up to the head lights and it would technically be legal. I believe as long as a light comes on with the first 'click' of your headlight switch, it's all good. This is how older cars had 'parkers', the first click would make the headlights give off a dull light.

Ummmm hello the way the light comes out on the ground is due to how the reflectors is made with different cuts in it to angle light a certain way, asking seller to readjust the angle is like asking them to sell you a new reflector specific for RHD cars.

You can adjust the beam to point up down left right but the beam pattern will always look like below if they made for LHD cars
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____/ ____/

[TranceZiggy]

Ummmm hello the way the light comes out on the ground is due to how the reflectors is made with different cuts in it to angle light a certain way, asking seller to readjust the angle is like asking them to sell you a new reflector specific for RHD cars.

You can adjust the beam to point up down left right but the beam pattern will always look like below if they made for LHD cars
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____/ ____/

Sometimes the angle on aftermarket headlights are adjustable via screws in the back, however, if it's indeed impossible to make them RHD compatible (even if they're adjustable) then the only option is DIY I suppose. Which is disappointing considering I was thinking of doing the same thing, but could never get a straight answer as to whether they'd work on Aussie roads without blinding everyone.. :/

[EG52NV]

Guys it's not that hard to DIY your current lights! Go big w par $30 for a head gun, remove your current headlights from car, heat up the joins (doesn't take much heat for the joins to loosen up)

Pop open headlight casing and take apart that chrome bit you want to spray gunmetal grey (Ek9 ones aren't exactly black)

Wait fit it to dry, reinstall heat up the join compound again with heat gun and press casing Bach together. The stuff when heated us similar texture to Blu tac

[TranceZiggy]

Guys it's not that hard to DIY your current lights! Go big w par $30 for a head gun, remove your current headlights from car, heat up the joins (doesn't take much heat for the joins to loosen up)

Pop open headlight casing and take apart that chrome bit you want to spray gunmetal grey (Ek9 ones aren't exactly black)

Wait fit it to dry, reinstall heat up the join compound again with heat gun and press casing Bach together. The stuff when heated us similar texture to Blu tac

Yeah I've seen the DIYs for it, might just DIY it myself instead of dealing with all this light angle crap. Good to know about the blu-tac stuff though, was wondering what I would use to stick the housing back together. Cheers for the info.

OP; DIY imo, too risky unless you like being defected or possibly causing accidents. :)

[EG52NV]

I said similar texture to Blu-tac lol don't go and use blu-tac to stick it back together man.

This stuff hardens when it cools but is very mouldable when heated hence you heat it to take head light apart and heat it again to put headlights back together chanes are you may not need to add anything to reseal as the Blu-tac like substance will rebound to it self once hot

[TranceZiggy]

Haha, don't worry, I knew what you meant! Would be funny but horrifying at the same time to see my headlight casing fall off while driving cause I used actual blu-tac..

But I'm gonna add water resistant sealant to the small gap once I've re-heated and re-sealed it :)

[TbM]

RTV silicone sealant is what i use to re-seal when i open headlights, mineral turpentine will take off the old sealant if you want to do a neat job.

[eren]

Well i also have a crack in one headlight so.... :(

[EG52NV]

correction EK9 headlights are a tinted chrome not a gunmetal colour.

[ericl33]

correction EK9 headlights are a tinted chrome not a gunmetal colour.
look here mate, everyone has their own interpretation of what it's called.

[EG52NV]

look here mate, everyone has their own interpretation of what it's called.

Nah I was correcting my self as I had originally recommended spraying them gunmetal but have found out today that ek9 lights are not black or gunmetal but a tinted chrome, didn't want the poor dude using the wrong colour if he wanted a direct replica...