Tire Stretching thoughts and recomendation...?

[VeYzZii]

Hey guys. So i found a nice set of VS-XX online and couldnt help myself. I knew that they would not fit on with a recomended tyre size fitting. The fronts arent a problem yet, but the rear which ar 9' wide and +35 scrub very bad. My car is lowered. So my question is, are stretched tyres as bad as i think they are, and also do you think i can run in 225 45 17 or should i go with 215 45 17 to clear the guards. Here is a picture:
http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q376/sik_sniper/vsxx.jpg

[trism]

http://tyrestretch.com/

and

http://www.rimtuck.com/

[JN7]

225 is enough.. 215 is too much. my mate Tamay ran 225 on 9 +38 and it sat nicely.

if anything 235 is fine and run camber

[VeYzZii]

225 is enough.. 215 is too much. my mate Tamay ran 225 on 9 +38 and it sat nicely.

if anything 235 is fine and run camber

Is Tamay boss2k? Hmmm but how low is his car?

[JN7]

yeah mate, but he's on 245s with a finger gap or so.

back then he tucked his wheels on 225s

I'm going 235/40/18 for my fronts which are 9+38.. I don't wanna stretch it anymore than that thougb

[VeYzZii]

http://tyrestretch.com/

and

http://www.rimtuck.com/

Oh i didnt see this. Awesome dude. I was looking for pics to see how the tyre would sit on them. Thanks alot. How do i use rimtuck.com though? :S

[JN7]

select Honda s2000 then click thumbnails
and look at which setup is closest to yours

[VeYzZii]

select Honda s2000 then click thumbnails
and look at which setup is closest to yours

Done. Cheers. Seems impossible though. My guards are rolled and ive run previous setups with same width and offset and had problems. Only difference is a slight offset difference. Oh well, ill start buying some dud tyres and trying them out i guess.

[ChromZ]

i run 17x9.0 +40 with 255/40 tyres all round. no issues.
i track them as they are and im about 1 finger gap. roll + flare is your friend in this case.

[sho]

and camber

[barefootbonzai]

For 17 x 9 +35 you should get away with 245/40 or 235/45.

Personally I'd go with 245/40, it'll look better.

[VeYzZii]

215 and still scrubbing.. LOL

[JN7]

you
need guard work.

[barefootbonzai]

215 and still scrubbing.. LOL
Then who ever rolled your guards and trimmed/relocated tab on your rear bar didn't do a very good job.
I could run 225/45 on 17x9 +22 and it didn't scub. Stock camber settings too.

[JN7]

Then who ever rolled your guards and trimmed/relocated tab on your rear bar didn't do a very good job.
I could run 225/45 on 17x9 +22 and it didn't scub. Stock camber settings too.

you're too bad ass bro. :P

[VeYzZii]

Then who ever rolled your guards and trimmed/relocated tab on your rear bar didn't do a very good job.
I could run 225/45 on 17x9 +22 and it didn't scub. Stock camber settings too.

LOL. The guards are rolled. Unless your car is stock height, you will have a problem. Is you car stock height?

[ChromZ]

any height will cause problems.
rolled guards isn't enough to fit those wheels, regardless of tyre size.
fender flaring is a must

[JN7]

LOL. The guards are rolled. Unless your car is stock height, you will have a problem. Is you car stock height?

his car is probably lower than yours mate lol

[VeYzZii]

his car is probably lower than yours mate lol

I suggest you ask questions before making assumptions, mate ;)

You wont fit a 9 inch wide rims with +22 offset on an S2000 that is even MILDLY lowered.

[JN7]

he's pretty low dude.. check out the s2k thread in the post your s2k thread.
something's not right from what you've said. ppl have ran a more
aggressive set up than yours and
not having dramas like you mate

[JN7]

http://rimtuck.com/setup/view/621

this guy basically has your set up. you either 1: pull your guards or 2: run camber.

[barefootbonzai]

LOL. The guards are rolled. Unless your car is stock height, you will have a problem. Is you car stock height?


any height will cause problems.
rolled guards isn't enough to fit those wheels, regardless of tyre size.
fender flaring is a must


I suggest you ask questions before making assumptions, mate ;)

You wont fit a 9 inch wide rims with +22 offset on an S2000 that is even MILDLY lowered.

yeah totally not possible.... 17 x 9 +22 all round on my own car, what would i know :wave:
http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy10/mr180sx/IMG_4905.jpg

[VeYzZii]

And that doesnt scrub?

[Vicks]

I tried my friends LMs (17x9 +20, 215/45) and they fit fine. Just needed a bumper relocate. Rears were only rolled.

The fronts were poking 30mm but with some Adjustments it can work.

[barefootbonzai]

And that doesnt scrub?
You're the expert buddy, why don't you tell me.


I tried my friends LMs (17x9 +20, 215/45) and they fit fine. Just needed a bumper relocate. Rears were only rolled.

The fronts were poking 30mm but with some Adjustments it can work.
Right on, when done properly fits easy.

[jooboo]

I suggest you ask questions before making assumptions, mate ;)

You wont fit a 9 inch wide rims with +22 offset on an S2000 that is even MILDLY lowered.

I had 18x10 +26 on 235/45 with a paper gap...no scrub...only roll and relocate tab
18x9.5 +20 with 245/40 only scrubbed on big ass bumps
so......

[VTI-RRR]

im running 18X10 +38 with a 255/35 with rolled gourds and relocated tabs no srubing at all even on hard turns and my cars pretty low

[niiCk]

LOL. The guards are rolled. Unless your car is stock height, you will have a problem. Is you car stock height?


I suggest you ask questions before making assumptions, mate ;)

You wont fit a 9 inch wide rims with +22 offset on an S2000 that is even MILDLY lowered.

Sorry, just had to quote it..hahaha

[JN7]

^ hahaha.

[VeYzZii]

Im on 215s stretched on the 9'' rear and i still scrub on bumps.

[VTI-RRR]

^^ im pretty sure your gourds need to be rolled more and get a little of - camber and you will have no problems.

[barefootbonzai]

Im on 215s stretched on the 9'' rear and i still scrub on bumps.

Just because you seem mildly retarded, cause the first couple of answers you didn't seem to understand.

Most likely senario is that who ever did your guard work....
1. Didn't trim the rear bar enough after relocating the bumper tab
2. Didn't roll your gaurds flat enough
3. You have no camber what so ever in the rear.
4. You are lowered something cheap, so there's lots of travel and you're bottoming out.

[VeYzZii]

Just because you seem mildly retarded.


Is that a joke?

[vyets]

lmaooo

so what's it rubbing? guard or bumper?

[VeYzZii]

Most likely senario is that who ever did your guard work....
1. Didn't trim the rear bar enough after relocating the bumper tab
2. Didn't roll your gaurds flat enough
3. You have no camber what so ever in the rear.
4. You are lowered something cheap, so there's lots of travel and you're bottoming out.

Its not rubbing on the bumper tab. It is rubbing on the guard. The actualy guard.
The guard is rolled, its been done properly. There is -2.5 camber on both the rears. I was on SHOWA coilovers with very similar spec'ed rims, and still had rubbing issues. That being said im not on stock struts with SHOWA springs but compressed. The 215 tyres wall bellys out as there 50 profile and i guess there designed like that.

[jooboo]

So its been rolled flat up against the guard?

[jooboo]

Is that a joke?

This made me LOL!

...pretty sure he wasnt joking...

[barefootbonzai]

The 215 tyres wall bellys out as there 50 profile and i guess there designed like that.

Well here's your problem.... 215/50 ain't gonna work cause the tyre size is way off. You need 215/45 or 225/45 or 235/40 or 245/40 either of them combinations should work. NOT 215/50

What was the point of asking what tyre size you should be getting then just go try something that no one recommended...

[Vicks]

The profile is still high. 225/40s should be fine on a 9.

[VeYzZii]

Well here's your problem.... 215/50 ain't gonna work cause the tyre size is way off. You need 215/45 or 225/45 or 235/40 or 245/40 either of them combinations should work. NOT 215/50

What was the point of asking what tyre size you should be getting then just go try something that no one recommended...

I needed a car for work. I needed to get tyres on. I found these for cheap so the plan is to test them really. Didnt think 12mm would make much of a difference on the wall.

[VeYzZii]

This made me LOL!

...pretty sure he wasnt joking...

I dont get it though.

For the front:
Offsets lower than +43 are not recommended on the front because a very narrow tire would need to be used to avoid rubbing.
+43 to +47 offset: 205 tires, 6.5" - 7.5" wide wheel
+48 to +52 offset: 215 tires, 7.0" - 8.0" wide wheel
+53 to +57 offset: 225 tires, 7.0" - 8.0" wide wheel
+58 to +62 offset: 235 tires, 7.5" - 8.5" wide wheel
+63 or higher offset: 245 tires, 7.5" - 8.5" wide wheel

For the rear:
Offsets below 40 are not recommended for the rear because a tire narrower than the stock tire would need to be used to avoid rubbing.
+40 to +44 offset: 235 tires, 7.5" - 8.5" wide wheel
+45 to +49 offset: 245 tires, 7.5" - 9.0" wide wheel
+50 to +54 offset: 255 tires, 8.0" - 9.5" wide wheel
+55 to +59 offset: 265 tires, 8.5" - 9.5" wide wheel
+60 to +64 offset: 275 tires, 9.0" - 10.0" wide wheel
+65 or higher offset: 285 tires, 9.0" - 10.0" wide wheel

Thats been going around for years. From looking at that, you wouldnt think a 9'' +22 with 235 tyres would fit at the front?

[barefootbonzai]

buddy there's no helping you... just put stock wheels back on.

[GSi_PSi]

im thinking the compressed springs arent helping either

[JN7]

pass the wheels over to me

[vyets]

compressed springs will probably even rub at stock height haha.
take a pic of the guard roll and let us see how flat it is.

[jooboo]

Guards were never the problem for me...the rear bumper was though..

[vyets]

Guards were never the problem for me...the rear bumper was though..

yea same lol. but his saying its rubbing the guard not the rear bumper so a pic will help us solve this issue, I would think a 215 on 9 +35 rim should clear even without a roll lmao

[barefootbonzai]

this thread is an instant classic! NO WAY YOU CAN DO IT!

[VeYzZii]

Ill take a picture. No problems. I know the sound of bumper rubbing and guard rubbing. And i can scratch of rubber from the rolled guard..

[VeYzZii]

this thread is an instant classic! NO WAY YOU CAN DO IT!

The thread was not listed with you in mind. If your unwillingly going to help, rather not help at all. Out of all the junk you've wrote, not one piece of it was helpful. All that finger typing could of been put to better use by filling up your signature with more elementary 'squads' and 'teams'. So dont try to be a smart ass on a forum. And if you want to insult me, go buy yourself a ticket to Sydney come to my door step and tell me everything you want to.

[geeang]

The thread was not listed with you in mind. If your unwillingly going to help, rather not help at all. Out of all the junk you've wrote, not one piece of it was helpful. All that finger typing could of been put to better use by filling up your signature with more elementary 'squads' and 'teams'. So dont try to be a smart ass on a forum. And if you want to insult me, go buy yourself a ticket to Sydney come to my door step and tell me everything you want to.

I'm not sure if you're stubborn as a mule or just plain stupid, everyone in this thread has been giving you advice.
barefootbonzai has given you tips and advice from his personal experience running aggressive setups on an S2000, yet for some dumb reason you choose to ignore what EVERYONE is telling you and believe that you are right in every way.

You are the only person having fitment issues, the issue is your 50 profile tyre and possibly a bad guard roll/bumper tab relocation. If you choose to ignore this then there is no longer a point to this thread, go on your merry tyre-shredding way.

[pboi]

tyre profile is the first thing I would change in that setup. Also get some stiffer suspension. Also 215s on the rear isn't cool.

[dc2r-0636]

Shit springs + shit profile = scrubbing like a cvnt.

Subscribed ! This is epic

[JN7]

The thread was not listed with you in mind. If your unwillingly going to help, rather not help at all. Out of all the junk you've wrote, not one piece of it was helpful. All that finger typing could of been put to better use by filling up your signature with more elementary 'squads' and 'teams'. So dont try to be a smart ass on a forum. And if you want to insult me, go buy yourself a ticket to Sydney come to my door step and tell me everything you want to.

^ lame as mate.

I reckon out of everyone that has replied in this thread, he has genuinely tried to help you out but your unwillingness to take on advice/info has led him to think that you're not all there in the head.

[niiCk]

The thread was not listed with you in mind. If your unwillingly going to help, rather not help at all. Out of all the junk you've wrote, not one piece of it was helpful. All that finger typing could of been put to better use by filling up your signature with more elementary 'squads' and 'teams'. So dont try to be a smart ass on a forum. And if you want to insult me, go buy yourself a ticket to Sydney come to my door step and tell me everything you want to.

lol he has actually helped you alot. He provided you with ways to help fix your problem. Youre just too up yourself to realise it.
Youre going off at everyone, thinking you know what youre doing and what youre doing is right. Obviously its not.
Your tyre profile is way off, the sidewall isnt really helping you regardless of you using a 215 tyre.
Youre compress springs are possibly the reason for you scrubbing all the time, youre bottoming out.

Dont cheap out, do it once, do it right!

[VeYzZii]

I'm not sure if you're stubborn as a mule or just plain stupid, everyone in this thread has been giving you advice.
barefootbonzai has given you tips and advice from his personal experience running aggressive setups on an S2000, yet for some dumb reason you choose to ignore what EVERYONE is telling you and believe that you are right in every way.

You are the only person having fitment issues, the issue is your 50 profile tyre and possibly a bad guard roll/bumper tab relocation. If you choose to ignore this then there is no longer a point to this thread, go on your merry tyre-shredding way.




^ lame as mate.

I reckon out of everyone that has replied in this thread, he has genuinely tried to help you out but your unwillingness to take on advice/info has led him to think that you're not all there in the head.


lol he has actually helped you alot. He provided you with ways to help fix your problem. Youre just too up yourself to realise it.
Youre going off at everyone, thinking you know what youre doing and what youre doing is right. Obviously its not.
Your tyre profile is way off, the sidewall isnt really helping you regardless of you using a 215 tyre.
Youre compress springs are possibly the reason for you scrubbing all the time, youre bottoming out.

Dont cheap out, do it once, do it right!

Im not being arrogant. Im answered the questions. I know the gaurds have been rolled, i know my camber setup. I never went AGAINST what bonzai said or what anybody said. If your telling me my guards arent rolled, ill go against that cause i know there rolled. I said 'i didnt know 12mm would make such a difference' to bonzai, why does that make me stubborn? He suggestd 245s. I know for a fact 245s will still scrub. 255s where literally driving on rubber. 5mm on each side wont save it. If you guys could see the car with 255s you will know 245s wont work. I get bonzai is trying to help, but calling somebody 'mildly retarded' isnt right.
Heres the pics of the rolled guard vyets asked for.

2 of the pics where taken with the car on a jack. You can see rubber on the guards.
http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q376/sik_sniper/IMAG0290.jpg
http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q376/sik_sniper/IMAG0288.jpg
http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q376/sik_sniper/IMAG0285.jpg
http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q376/sik_sniper/IMAG0281.jpg

[vyets]

decent roll not that flat could be better.
but listen to everyones advice and get rid of the 50 profile, and get some proper suspension
I used to run a 9" +45 and clear on 245's without a roll.

[VeYzZii]

decent roll not that flat could be better.
but listen to everyones advice and get rid of the 50 profile, and get some proper suspension
I used to run a 9" +45 and clear on 245's without a roll.

Yea the 50 profile will definantly go and ill get a 45 profile. The only reason i bought them was cause they were cheap and i needed to get to work.
Do you think just chnging my compressed springs to aftermarket springs will help?

[barefootbonzai]

lol, thanks for the support fellas. but veyzzii still being stubborn as a mofo. You don't understand the concept of how tyres sizes and stretching works.
You can't just go by the width, it's a combination of profile + width = right stretch. So stop being such a dumb **** and posting stupid shit.

Bottom line is, it's not working because you're cheap. Plain and simple.
You wanna go with an aggressive setup? -> Get some coilovers, buy the right tyre sizes, that means correct profile AND width not just something that's on sale meets one of the criteria.
Either take some advice and do it right, or just put your stock wheels back on and stop asking questions.

[vyets]

Bottom line is, it's not working because you're cheap. Plain and simple.
You wanna go with an aggressive setup? -> Get some coilovers, buy the right tyre sizes, that means correct profile AND width not just something that's on sale meets one of the criteria.
Either take some advice and do it right, or just put your stock wheels back on and stop asking questions.

lmao


he also answered ur other question too vey, no springs will not work get some coilovers

[jooboo]

wtff this whole time im thinking you had coilovers...







FAIL

[curtis265]

interdasting thread guis

[VeYzZii]

lol, thanks for the support fellas. but veyzzii still being stubborn as a mofo. You don't understand the concept of how tyres sizes and stretching works.
You can't just go by the width, it's a combination of profile + width = right stretch. So stop being such a dumb **** and posting stupid shit.

Bottom line is, it's not working because you're cheap. Plain and simple.
You wanna go with an aggressive setup? -> Get some coilovers, buy the right tyre sizes, that means correct profile AND width not just something that's on sale meets one of the criteria.
Either take some advice and do it right, or just put your stock wheels back on and stop asking questions.

Yea these tyres will go soon. And ill invest in some coilovers, or get mine rebuilt. Sometimes ya gotta be cheap. Might not be as easy for me to get dough as it is for you. Cheers for the help.

[JN7]

weren't you gonna get a respray? lol

[VeYzZii]

weren't you gonna get a respray? lol

Respray what?

[tamay_s2k]

have you guys considered what coilovers you are all running. that will make a difference in scrubbing and clearance wen your lowered. and whilst driving.....

[Vicks]

Don't think rebuilding your stocks will solve your issue. Invest in the coilovers.. I also thought you were running coilovers the whole time..

[tamay_s2k]

my doodles MASSIVE!

[VeYzZii]

have you guys considered what coilovers you are all running. that will make a difference in scrubbing and clearance wen your lowered. and whilst driving.....

Yea dude. Realised after this thread. I have a mate with mms of clearance and no scrub.


Don't think rebuilding your stocks will solve your issue. Invest in the coilovers.. I also thought you were running coilovers the whole time..

Yea that seemed to be the problem. I was running coilovers, and the coilovers are the shocks i was planning to rebuild, not my stock shocks. But still cant find a place to rebuild. Might just go for some Buddy n+