Turbo + D series = help

[JDM-derek]

hey giys

so heres my story, I just got my fulls and was planning to go ahead with the B18c2 swap...atm im loving boost and not keen on any imports. I was looking on Ebay at cheap turbo Civic EK kits.

The question is will it do the job and running stock ECU still ?

will stock Motor and gear box handle it ....but running under 7psi ???

Insurance gonna hassle me ??

who can install it in sydney ? and the cost?

whats the engineering cost?

Its a D16y7 about 190k on the clock lol

[jdm_typer]

hey mate pretty sure BYP racing and developments would give u your answers , there located in sydney .

[simmy]

hey derek, try this site and browse around before you buy any kits

http://www.d-series.org/forums/

[Jccck]

hey giys

Generally the word 'cheap' should be shut down with a quick 'no'

It will do the job, but what job? Racing? Daily driver? Etc?
You cannot use the stock ECU, unless you have it chipped for S300 or something.. AEM V2 EMS is always a nice option, plug and play EMS!
Stock Motor will take it no problem, and the Gearbox will never have an issue.. But you might want to get a better clutch.
Depends who you're with, NRMA doesn't care if my Accord is turboed.. But if you want to up the value, sometimes there is a cap (3.5x market value for me!)
TODA, BYP, any decent mechanic.. Turbo kit's arent' hard to install it's the tuning that's vital.
Perhaps $500? From what i've heard on these forums.
190k? Practically brand new mate!

[mugen_ctr]

hey giys

so heres my story, I just got my fulls and was planning to go ahead with the B18c2 swap...atm im loving boost and not keen on any imports. I was looking on Ebay at cheap turbo Civic EK kits.

The question is will it do the job and running stock ECU still ?

will stock Motor and gear box handle it ....but running under 7psi ???

Insurance gonna hassle me ??

who can install it in sydney ? and the cost?

whats the engineering cost?

Its a D16y7 about 190k on the clock lol

1. Stock ecu no, once u hit boost, the engine light will come on, an throw codes, so no, generally u will need atleast a piggy back ecu, or if money is stretched go full blown ecu
2. Yes motor will handle fine, and gearbox, mates turbo eg has been running strong for over a year
3. Insurance, probs yes if u tell em, since u will prbs need a engineers cert for the turbo kit to certified its deemed legal, any illegal mods they can void ur claim if u get into a accident
4. As others have said, im from melb lol
5. Usually around 500 - 1500, every workshop is different rates, call around, generally if ur running more power, u will need to upgrade ur brakes as well to pass engineers cert, but its all really down to the engineers

Any d-bangers are fine too boost, just know ur limit, though if it was me, 7 psi, max! id also upgrade the intake mani to a d16y8

Also consider running bigger fuel pump, injectors and exhaust to make the most of it

Im goin turbo at end of yr, still collect parts atm, ECU wise, for me, id go Greddy Piggy back, as theres few tuners an wont cost arm an leg, and PROVEN to be tuned fine and run safely

[EG52NV]

my mate wants to boost his eg5 using an ebay kit, but they have such bad rep on numerous honda forums we're a lil hesitant...

keep us posted...

[Jccck]

1. Stock ecu no, once u hit boost, the engine light will come on, an throw codes, so no, generally u will need atleast a piggy back ecu, or if money is stretched go full blown ecu
2. Yes motor will handle fine, and gearbox, mates turbo eg has been running strong for over a year
3. Insurance, probs yes if u tell em, since u will prbs need a engineers cert for the turbo kit to certified its deemed legal, any illegal mods they can void ur claim if u get into a accident
4. As others have said, im from melb lol
5. Usually around 500 - 1500, every workshop is different rates, call around, generally if ur running more power, u will need to upgrade ur brakes as well to pass engineers cert, but its all really down to the engineers

Any d-bangers are fine too boost, just know ur limit, though if it was me, 7 psi, max! id also upgrade the intake mani to a d16y8

Also consider running bigger fuel pump, injectors and exhaust to make the most of it

Im goin turbo at end of yr, still collect parts atm, ECU wise, for me, id go Greddy Piggy back, as theres few tuners an wont cost arm an leg, and PROVEN to be tuned fine and run safely

Actually a stock Honda Map Sensor can read up to about 9.5PSI iirc of boost before it gets confused.
So you 'can' leave the standard one in.


my mate wants to boost his eg5 using an ebay kit, but they have such bad rep on numerous honda forums we're a lil hesitant...

keep us posted...

Most people write eBay off as junk before they bother trying it.
Some of the eBay kits mimic more expensive ones, 'cheap copies' if you will.
For the most part they're fine.. But items such as the BoV, Wastegate and Turbo are the important ones where quality is a must.. And with eBay you can't be certain of quality/lack thereof.

Buy the eBay kit, use it til it breaks.
Replace the Turbo/BoV/Wastegate.. And you've still saved a bucketload of coin on Charge Piping, Intercooler, Oil Feed/Drain Lines, Turbo Manifold.. Etc

[butterfingers]

how much power would that make

[tiksie]

1. Stock ecu no, once u hit boost, the engine light will come on, an throw codes, so no, generally u will need atleast a piggy back ecu, or if money is stretched go full blown ecu
2. Yes motor will handle fine, and gearbox, mates turbo eg has been running strong for over a year
3. Insurance, probs yes if u tell em, since u will prbs need a engineers cert for the turbo kit to certified its deemed legal, any illegal mods they can void ur claim if u get into a accident
4. As others have said, im from melb lol
5. Usually around 500 - 1500, every workshop is different rates, call around, generally if ur running more power, u will need to upgrade ur brakes as well to pass engineers cert, but its all really down to the engineers

Any d-bangers are fine too boost, just know ur limit, though if it was me, 7 psi, max! id also upgrade the intake mani to a d16y8

Also consider running bigger fuel pump, injectors and exhaust to make the most of it

Im goin turbo at end of yr, still collect parts atm, ECU wise, for me, id go Greddy Piggy back, as theres few tuners an wont cost arm an leg, and PROVEN to be tuned fine and run safely

Not sure if it's in every case, but I've seen a fair few turbo D's with standard ECU that doesn't throw codes.

Only mods are bigger pump, FPR, exhaust.

I know of one running fine for about 3-4 years now. Blown a gearbox in that timeframe but other than that, motor is still running strong seeing 6-12 pounds daily.

[EG52NV]

Actually a stock Honda Map Sensor can read up to about 9.5PSI iirc of boost before it gets confused.
So you 'can' leave the standard one in.



Stock ECU is smart enough to compensate for low psi forced induction? thats good to know!

[EG52NV]

Buy the eBay kit, use it til it breaks.
Replace the Turbo/BoV/Wastegate.. And you've still saved a bucketload of coin on Charge Piping, Intercooler, Oil Feed/Drain Lines, Turbo Manifold.. Etc

And my mates theory is: if you blow you engine we've seen complete D series go for between $200-$600 on this forum so end of the day still cheaper then B series conversion.

[butterfingers]

theres no "BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH FKN HONDA VTEC DUMAAA" factor in turbo d series though..

[EG52NV]

theres no "BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH FKN HONDA VTEC DUMAAA" factor in turbo d series though..

hahaha thats what I said to him but If he does go down the path turbo D series it will easily make more power than my B16

[JDM-derek]

mhmm few good points guys...yeah i like the bwaaaaaaaaaa sound LOL

[Jccck]

Stock ECU is smart enough to compensate for low psi forced induction? thats good to know!

Well i'll explain it better.
But the Stock ECU's unless chipped for Hondata or otherwise cannot control the Injectors, and if you've upgraded your Injectors you WILL run very rich because they're pulsing at the same rate with a much larger flow.
So;
Stock Map works til 9.5PSI approx.
Stock Injectors work until your fuel needs exceed what they can offer.
Stock ECU works ONLY if you can manage to keep standard Injectors.

[EG52NV]

Well i'll explain it better.
But the Stock ECU's unless chipped for Hondata or otherwise cannot control the Injectors, and if you've upgraded your Injectors you WILL run very rich because they're pulsing at the same rate with a much larger flow.
So;
Stock Map works til 9.5PSI approx.
Stock Injectors work until your fuel needs exceed what they can offer.
Stock ECU works ONLY if you can manage to keep standard Injectors.

so what your saying is if we manage to install an ebay turbo kit to my mates EG, we'd be able to drive it around a bit on low boost but end of the day we should really get an ECU upgrade to match the forced induciton?

[Lanzamus]

Has anyone got an ebay turbo kit engineered in NSW? wondering how they go with the BOV etc. Is there anything in particular i should prepare to replace to obtain the certificate if i was to buy a kit?

[Jccck]

so what your saying is if we manage to install an ebay turbo kit to my mates EG, we'd be able to drive it around a bit on low boost but end of the day we should really get an ECU upgrade to match the forced induciton?

Yes, you would be able to do so fine.
But to make the most out of it (Tuning is very important to unlocking power) you will need some form of programmable ECU.

[honda_zivic]

stock map sensor can read up to 10.3 psi max.
stock ecu will throw a engine light and go into limp mode after it sees a positive pressure above 5psi and then ur capped to a speed/rev limit until u restart the car then everything is back to normal.
so get a chipped ecu or standalone with a basemap specific to ur setup, so u can drive it around.
or u cccouuulddd drive around with stock ecu, but dont hit boost and stay in vacuum. but not safe to do because incase if u have to pull out from a intersection hard.

[chongy]

the stock injectors will support up to 140kw. above that the duty cycle will be basically maxing out

if you are going to make more than 150kw consider replacing your head studs with ARP's. the stock head studs are prone to stretching once u past the 150kw level which will lead to a blown head gasket.

[zhong]

Stock D-series map sensor can handle ~11.2psi.

Your stock ECU will be able to run boost - but you will encounter some hardcodes because it doesn't like positive pressure. But it doesn't really stop you from boosting.

Ebay kits are fine - it really depends on installation and tune in the end. Oh and of course if the item doesn't break on you during installation. :P

Make sure you get a catch can to relieve the crankcase of positive pressure or remove your stock PCV valve and just run a hose back into your intake, this way you should be alright to push it daily 5psi with everything stock (fuel pump, injectors). Get it tuned and it should last forever.

Like some others may of said, you can drive your car with a turbo on it with stock everything - but you'll be risking things if you're not careful.

I'd reccomend getting your ECU chipped and atleast run a basemap so atleast that way your safe to boost with the ignition/fuel maps adjusted to suit (retarded/richer) to compensate the conditions of positive pressure. Oh and more importantly, so you can save up for tuning gear or getting it tuned.

Goodluck!

[mugen_ctr]

stock map sensor can read up to 10.3 psi max.
stock ecu will throw a engine light and go into limp mode after it sees a positive pressure above 5psi and then ur capped to a speed/rev limit until u restart the car then everything is back to normal.
so get a chipped ecu or standalone with a basemap specific to ur setup, so u can drive it around.
or u cccouuulddd drive around with stock ecu, but dont hit boost and stay in vacuum. but not safe to do because incase if u have to pull out from a intersection hard.

happened to a mate first day wen the turbo went in, limped it to the tuners hahaha


the stock injectors will support up to 140kw. above that the duty cycle will be basically maxing out

if you are going to make more than 150kw consider replacing your head studs with ARP's. the stock head studs are prone to stretching once u past the 150kw level which will lead to a blown head gasket.

If ur aiming for 140kw its advisable to go for bigger fuel pump and at least minimum 300cc or bigger as tuners dont like to mess with maxing out injectors and fuel pump, and they will strongly recommend anyone to always upgrade stock injectors as standard is like 240cc or so

[Lanzamus]

rep added for a few of you guys, great advice!

[jimmyando]

I turboed my d16y4 with an ebay kit... has been fine......... if you want to get anything out of the turbo you should upgrade your ecu, get bigger injectors and fuel pump, ive being running 14psi (alot of timing taken out at top end) and increased my rpm limit to 8000, it has lasted 10, 000 ks and has been fine except the rings are on there way out... howeva if you flog the car enuf this is gunna happen.. all internals are stock and has been a very good car... GET A GOOD TUNE REGARDLESS OF COST.. hope this helped :)

[ctx]

Good thread, thanks for the good read :)

[mugen_ctr]

I turboed my d16y4 with an ebay kit... has been fine......... if you want to get anything out of the turbo you should upgrade your ecu, get bigger injectors and fuel pump, ive being running 14psi (alot of timing taken out at top end) and increased my rpm limit to 8000, it has lasted 10, 000 ks and has been fine except the rings are on there way out... howeva if you flog the car enuf this is gunna happen.. all internals are stock and has been a very good car... GET A GOOD TUNE REGARDLESS OF COST.. hope this helped :)

how much power u were running if u dont mind me asking

[jimmyando]

honestly im not exacally sure because i havent put it on the dyno, but i dont think the figues are huge.. sumwhere around 300hp im guessing.. honestly its the power to weight ratio that makes it fast not much else, ive timed it down the 400 a few times most good runs getting about a 13.0, however with the rings being on the way out im trying to figure out with to rebuild this motor or go a b or k series

[mugen_ctr]

honestly im not exacally sure because i havent put it on the dyno, but i dont think the figues are huge.. sumwhere around 300hp im guessing.. honestly its the power to weight ratio that makes it fast not much else, ive timed it down the 400 a few times most good runs getting about a 13.0, however with the rings being on the way out im trying to figure out with to rebuild this motor or go a b or k series

niceee... guess the time slip is enough to indicate the power :)

Rebuild the motor an shoot for 12's man, do it hahaha, parts aint that expensive either

[jimmyando]

i found a decent site to buy all the parts from u dont no of any d16 rebuild guides on the net?

[zhong]

Best guide is the SERVICE MANUAL! I've been turbo for about a year now - all been well so far. And 300hp is a lot of power, what clutch are you running? Not too shabby for a 1.6 liter ay!

[jimmyando]

its a standard clucth.. its not helping the gearbox much, i try and be gental on the changes as much as i can but second and third syncros are pretty had it

[JDM-derek]

im now getting a b series and prob turboing it :P