camber kit & wheel allignment

[daKIK]

Need some help guys
I lowered my car around and 1.5 inches on springs only and had an ingalls camber kit installed. I didnt get a wheel alignment at the time, was waiting to get my tyres changed. I had no problem with how the car handled after that was done.
I had the back tyres replaced on the weekend and got a wheel allignment done. The back wheels were out by 5-7mm which was expected. The guy adjusted the toe using the ingalls arms (I think he only adjusted one of the arms on each rear wheels and not both arms), until the readings were within the range indicated on the allignment machine!
My car is worse off after the allignment, the back wheels are skipping of the road when I hit any small bump on the road. The car is almost unsafe to drive!
I checked the wheels nuts and there tight, took it back to the place and the guys said to come back again tomrw, but he blamed the problem on the car being lowered etc.
What sort of readings should the wheel allignment be?
I need some expert advice please

Thanks

[senna]

Where did you get the alignment done? Some tyre shop or a suspension and alignment specialist?

You need around 1.5 degrees neg camber and around 1mm toe in on the rear. That should look after your tyres and still drive pretty well

[daKIK]

Where did you get the alignment done? Some tyre shop or a suspension and alignment specialist?

You need around 1.5 degrees neg camber and around 1mm toe in on the rear. That should look after your tyres and still drive pretty well

I got it done at a tyre shop, 7 day tyres

But why would the car handle so much worse after the allignment ? It had much more negative camber before

[senna]

Its more than likely the toe setting - he may have not adjusted it correctly.

Generally the toe will effect stability more than camber so it can make the car feel twitchy or alternatively it can make the car very "numb" and not responsive

[daKIK]

Its more than likely the toe setting - he may have not adjusted it correctly.

Generally the toe will effect stability more than camber so it can make the car feel twitchy or alternatively it can make the car very "numb" and not responsive

Yeh the car is definetly twitchy, the ingalls kit only adjust toe doesnt it.. The toe setting must be out

[daKIK]

Where did you get the alignment done? Some tyre shop or a suspension and alignment specialist?

You need around 1.5 degrees neg camber and around 1mm toe in on the rear. That should look after your tyres and still drive pretty well

Just another thing senna, when u say 1mm toe in, is that neg or pos 1mm ?
Ill take these figures back to the work shop to get the car re-alligned..

[senna]

As far as i'm aware the Ingalls Kit does camber and then you use the factory toe adjusters

1mm Toe in should read as + on the sheet :thumbsup:

[daKIK]

As far as i'm aware the Ingalls Kit does camber and then you use the factory toe adjusters

1mm Toe in should read as + on the sheet :thumbsup:

Thanks Senna! :thumbsup:
Ill take the car back on saturday and ask them to do an alignment to these numbers. If they fail to do so, Ill look at getting it done at an alignment specialist.

Can anyone recommend a good wheel alignment workshop?

[tony1234]

Thanks Senna! :thumbsup:
Ill take the car back on saturday and ask them to do an alignment to these numbers. If they fail to do so, Ill look at getting it done at an alignment specialist.

Can anyone recommend a good wheel alignment workshop?

Where in Sydney do you live?I know a good guy down south.

[xiang]

Where abouts Tony? I'm looking to get an alignment soon.

[daKIK]

Where in Sydney do you live?I know a good guy down south.

Out Parramatta way, but Im open to suggestions

[senna]

Our workshop is at Penrith

[daKIK]

Our workshop is at Penrith

I didnt know u had a workshop, thought u just a wholesaler! I might give you a buzz if I cant get it sorted on saturday.
I'd be a little worried about driving the car on the m4 the way it is now lol

What would I be looking at for an alignment? You could pm if u like

Cheers

[senna]

4 wheel laser alignment with a camber kit is $95 :thumbsup:

xiang - clear your inbox so i can reply to your PM please!

[tony1234]

I didnt know u had a workshop, thought u just a wholesaler! I might give you a buzz if I cant get it sorted on saturday.
I'd be a little worried about driving the car on the m4 the way it is now lol

What would I be looking at for an alignment? You could pm if u like

Cheers
daKIK and ziang.My guy is at Kirrawee(near Sutherland)down south.Maybe should go to senna,he's closer.Believe me there IS a difference between an average alignment and a good one.As a general rule stay away form places like Bob Jane and the like.

[Kay_lee]

I got it done at a tyre shop, 7 day tyres

But why would the car handle so much worse after the allignment ? It had much more negative camber before

Lol 7 day tyres in Granville right? went there because i was desperate to change a tyre due to popping it on a Sunday, got a wheel allignment then next day i hit a bump and my allignments F***d again ==

[daKIK]

Lol 7 day tyres in Granville right? went there because i was desperate to change a tyre due to popping it on a Sunday, got a wheel allignment then next day i hit a bump and my allignments F***d again ==

yeh thats the one! my alignment was f*cked as soon as left the shop lol

[snYpz]

I got mine done at road and race in rydalmere. Peter is a champ.
Its definitely the toe that's out, thus the car hops and twitches on bumps. I had the same problem after going to jax tyres twice! Road and race has good reputation as well as places spinning wheels and another place down south.

[jono_l]

I got mine done at road and race in rydalmere. Peter is a champ.
Its definitely the toe that's out, thus the car hops and twitches on bumps. I had the same problem after going to jax tyres twice! Road and race has good reputation as well as places spinning wheels and another place down south.

Another happy Road & Race Rydalmere customer here - Peter is a top bloke and very meticulous in what he does. Not cheap by any measure, but worth every penny.

[daKIK]

Thanks for the replies guys, I took back to the same shop today.
The worker there had no fkn idea! He adjusted the toe only and said he couldnt fix the camber! I insisted he tried and asked him to loosen up both arms of the ingalls kit, after 5 mins of me convincing him to try he eventually did, and after a bit of readjustments the readings on the machine started to change!
He had previously adjusted the kit using one arm only, putting a lot of pressure on one side of the wheels only!
Car rides muchhhh better now, feels nice and smooth now! :)

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll104/DAKIK/20120602_141740.jpg

[daKIK]

So the problem seems to have returned, the car is twitchin, but not as violently as before though. But its still noticeable..
I can also hear a lot of noises coming from the back, a lot of thuds and crackling noises! Hard to explain the sound!

Anyone else experienced this?
What could be causing this?

[senna]

So the problem seems to have returned, the car is twitchin, but not as violently as before though. But its still noticeable..
I can also hear a lot of noises coming from the back, a lot of thuds and crackling noises! Hard to explain the sound!

Anyone else experienced this?
What could be causing this?

The genius that aligned your car didn't retighten your arms...

[daKIK]

The genius that aligned your car didn't retighten your arms...

Could that be the only cause? Coz I was there and I asked him to make sure he tightened them!
The creaking noise existed even before he fiddled with the allignment, but it just seems that more weird noise are popping up now! FML

[DreadAngel]

Just take it to Pat/Senna ;)

[YER801]

Wow man, what a pain in the arse for a wheel alignment! Moral of the story always go to suspension specialists with a good rep!

[euro1603]

Oh man, my faulkens are pretty chewed up after only 2 years only maybe 25k kms ! i knew that lowering the car without a camber kit will caused this eventually. i was hoping the tires will hold up better... anyway, i have the eibach pro kit with progress sway bar, any recommendations for camber kits ? i'm really hoping this will not cost me an arm and a leg..

cheers

[PplaterEuro]

The noise is probably just the rear arms, mine are very creaky after I installed them yesterday, though i am a ridiculous amount of low.


Oh man, my faulkens are pretty chewed up after only 2 years only maybe 25k kms ! i knew that lowering the car without a camber kit will caused this eventually. i was hoping the tires will hold up better... anyway, i have the eibach pro kit with progress sway bar, any recommendations for camber kits ? i'm really hoping this will not cost me an arm and a leg..

cheers

And ok, how much do you want to pay? I got a perfectly new (but second hand - never put on the car) ingalls kit for >200$ and they are good design, strength and quality, easy to use and work with. they go from 0 degrees camber to this at full camber basically, well by full I mean what they SAY is the limit, theres still another half cm or smidge more of thread I could have gone but i would be hitting struts.

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/16533_10151408739439747_226600992_n.jpg

This is just for lols also btw before someone gets serious and tells me I'm wasting my tyres, I know this stuff, dont worry.