How much will it cost for a full turbo setup?

[ah789454]

how much will it approx cost to set up a turvo system on a d16y8????

[BLKCRX]

how long is a peice of string....
stock engine ? built engine ? small boost huge boost ?
your question can't be answered.... or i could give you the answer of $100,000.00 for a conversion !

Regards James

[civicboy]

damn 100.000!?!
jus buy GTR V-SpecII ;) hehehehehehe! or somethin else

[BLKCRX]

nar stay with a honda ;-)

ehehe

[ah789454]

how long is a peice of string....
stock engine ? built engine ? small boost huge boost ?
your question can't be answered.... or i could give you the answer of $100,000.00 for a conversion !

Regards James

my engine is stock as a rock.. ive heard u cant run to much boost on these engines so i prob settle for 6-8 pounds...
do u suggest anything better??
my budget is round 6 grand is this enough for a setup

[poweredbyhonda]

Why dont you look at previous posts for a rough estimate.

[BLKCRX]

6k you will be cutting lots of corners, skimping on engine mangerment turbo mainfold etc....but it all depends on what you want ! and how fast you want to go...

This is what i belive is minium on any turbo setup...before doing internals....



Turbo GT ballbearing 1500 - 2500
Maxrev Log Style Stainless mainfold or Full Races Turbo Mainfold 1500 - 3000
stainless with flex pipe Down Pipe 500
Wastegate 600
Waste gate dump into exhaust 400
custom stainless Cooler pipes 900
Injectors 660cc 800
Fuel Pump 350
Hondata s200 with boost 1290
PWR Radiator 800
2x 13" fan 250
oil change 50
filter change 20
fuel filter 50
air filter 100
air intake piping 200
fuel reg 300
nuts bolts fittings materials 350
Tuning 300
labour 1500
coolent 30
plugs 15
oil feed/drain/Water(EARLS/SS LINES 550
silcon FOR ic 150
oil sump baffel + drain 200
intercooler 800
clutch 850



and trust me theres a lotmore money you can spend....

[vti-2]

That comes to $14,655 thank you very much!

Sounds like overkill to me.

All this guy wants is a simple setup, for $6k you can probably do it but you will be skimping on a few things. Having said that, YOU CAN DO IT! If you want a fun low boost car then it is possible. There are so many that have done it. Do some research, there's lots of information out there.

PM A.C.S DRAG, he should be able to help. ;)

[BLKCRX]

15k.... 11k more than he wants to spend.. but what would you cut corners on...

Or then again you could do this…

take out the clutch save 800... and kill your stock clutch in a week or 2....

take out the cooler save another 800...and hope your intake temps stay low...

take out the large injectors and just add one extra injector... hoping to get even fuel flow into the engine..(total cost $200) saves $600

take out using silicon for the cooler pipe joins and just use rubber which will leak boost after a while.. saving of 50$ there..

take out baffeling the oil sump hoping the oil drains from the turbo correctly and doesn’t back flow thus breakig your turbo.. saves another 100

take out the new spark plugs blah saved $15

who needs new oil, coolent, fuel filter, oil filter, when your cutting corners
there's another $168 saved

while your at it take out the PWR radiator hoping the stock one keeps your car cool during 40deg days with the air con on, saves another $800

take out the after market fans, cut the stock ones make them fit or hell just don't run any fans ! saves another $250

take out buyin a nice air K&N filter, but a cheap noname brand pod saves $80

take out the polish intake piping and use flex pipe saves $180

take out the fuel reg, who needs static fuel pressure when your skimping on everything... thats another $300 saved

buy cheap none stainless bolts none high tensile from super cheap auto save another $150

use rubber hoses instead of ss line oil feeds and use brass oil fittings instead of earls fittings hoping the rubber lines don't melt and the fittings don't leak saves $300

Don't worry about a nice intake fuel pump just buy a $150 bosh fuel pump and have it inline sittin in your engine bay makin your stock pump work over time hoping it gives your enigne enough fuel, saves your $200

don't worry about a Hondata ECU just get a check valve and a FMU and hope the car run's right with random fuel injection from your extra injector, that saves $1000

you won't need to pay for tuning because you will be cutting corners and just using a FMU so that saves $300

take out the cost of the labour because the original post only asked about the cost of a kit.. not a fitted and installed ready to drive price. That saves another $1500

take out the stainless intercooler pipes, just use ruber pipes like the avo kit that saves $650

don't worry aobut using a external wastegate because your going to buy a cheap 2nd hand turbo with a internal wastegate that saves $600

you won't need a wastgate dump pipe now that your not using a external wastegate there's another $400 saved

modify your stock Honda dump pipe to bolt onto the turbo and don't use any flex pipe, which will cause your manifold 2 crack oh well your cutting corners do that dos't matter.... there's another $300 saved


That’s $9543.00 saved on cutting corners, before saving on the manifold and turbo buy cutting even more corners.

Use a cast iron turbo manifold like the cheap avo for $550 saves anywhere from $500 - $2000

buy a 2nd hand turbo with a internal wastgate shouldn’t cost more than 300 - 500$ that saves another $1000 - $2000

Total saving of... around $12,000.00

Wow all a sudden you have a cheap turbo kit $2480.00 would it work yes, would you have boost yes, would your car be faster yes, would it last long ??? Would the engine last more than a month? Would it be hassle free? could you drive it like a daily driven car with no worries, would you have to worry about ova boost, would it be fine on a hot day, etc etc etc at least with a $14,000 setup you could guarantee your self a hassle free perfectly working car. Now its always up to the end user to decide on which corners to cut, but for every $ saved no matter who does the work results in less reliability and more problems period….

Regards James

[vti-2]

Chill out James. I'm just saying you don't always have to go all out and spend so much on a turbo setup. I agree with you in that you do it right first time but not everyone has a huge budget so recommending a list like the one above is sometimes overkill.

ah789454 is obviously not looking at spending that much which is why i said your suggestion was overkill. :P

Fuel and engine management is a critical part of any turbo setup so that is the one area i wouldn't skimp on.

Just my opinion on this thread, not everyone will agree.

[BLKCRX]

When is a over kill a over kill thow ? who defines that ? its only defined by how much money you spend....although this topic is "how much cost for full turbo setup" define full turbo setup ? is that full turbo setup cutting corners or not...
One could also argue if you won’t skimp on engine management why skimp on engine cooling ? or boost control ? or fuel setup ? Everything is critical ! but everything is limited to your pocket …. Sadly


So when are you coming to see me regarding a ecu for your boosted car ?


Regards James

[vti-2]

When is a over kill a over kill thow ? who defines that ? its only defined by how much money you spend....although this topic is "how much cost for full turbo setup" define full turbo setup ? is that full turbo setup cutting corners or not...

Exactly right! You can't determine that without some sort of criteria which is why you asked what they were after and the budget etc.

A budget of $6k was given so we should realistically try and help as much as possible to meet that.

[poweredbyhonda]

You are making minimum look close to maximum!

Turbo GT ballbearing 1500 - 2500 = Just get a T28 or T3 (T3's are cheap and easy to find I got mine new for $1,300)

Maxrev Log Style Stainless mainfold or Full Races Turbo Mainfold 1500 - 3000 - = You can get a nice stainless custom one made up to suit you setup for about $1,200
stainless with flex pipe Down Pipe 500 = flex pipes $100 (3") dump $250
Wasgate 600 = use the internal one $0
Waste gate dump into exhaust 400 = no need $0
custom stainless Cooler pipes 900 = $500 fitted
Injectors 660cc 800 = no need for big arse ones! 440cc big enough! about $700 from RCEngineering (US)
Fuel Pump 350
Hondata s200 with boost 1290?? Not sure if you can use these on the older model Hondas. Try a link or microtech piggy back.
PWR Radiator 800
2x 13" fan 250
oil change 50
filter change 20
fuel filter 50
air filter 100
air intake piping 200
fuel reg 300
nuts bolts fittings materials 350
Tuning 300
labour 1500???
coolent 30
plugs 15
oil feed/drain/Water(EARLS/SS LINES 550 ????
silcon FOR ic 150
oil sump baffel + drain 200
intercooler 800 = I can get you a a big one with HKS end tanks for $650
clutch 850 ???
You'll be needing a Fuel reg about $250

660cc injectors is way overkill big time! For a small motor to be looking to get round 135kw @ wheels. Dont forget its a small basic setup here!

[Weq]

i got some 440cc RC's + a boost guage (20psi + vac) for $310AUD. New S/S Intercooler with end tanks for $330, 750x280x62 or something, way more then anough to handle 10psi of boost. BOV turbosmart type 1, $67 ebay.
In the end my setup will be bordering of 5k including the first years insurance..
Also, stock clutchs on a civic have been known to last over a year at 8~psi, it all depends on how well they are looked after, not 2 weeks.

[pornstar]

for 5-6 it can be done reliably, actually it can be done properly for that price. I know someone who can do that for ya, ill let u know what it included with a basic list.

GT25/T28 turbo roller bearing (internal gate)
Cast iron manifold
Cast iron dumppipe
Front Mount Intercooler
255lph Fuel pump
4 x 550cc Injectors (ample for up to 200kws at the wheels)
FPr (tho not 100% necessary, which some people flame me about)
Blow off Valve (again not necessary)
A full standalone ECU
Yes steel braided oil lines, silicone hose clamps, everything else u need like bolts nuts gaskets will be included.

All u need is a tuner who will tune it for u, but that can be arranged also.

[poid]

if i wanted to take my kit down to 6k all i would have to do is remove the expensive electronic boost controller, turbo timer, go some secondhand gauges, second-hand instead of new intercooler and a cheaper BOV.

So i would be left with: GT28 turbo, intercooler, custom manifold, cooler piping and turbo-back exhaust, 550cc injectors, adjustable FPR, walbro fuel pump, exedy clutch, oil and water lines, all the little crap like nuts, bolts, fittings etc, ECU (either a Microtech, TSI or chipped Honda ECU), filters etc. As well as what's mentioned above.

I think thats a fairly good low-boost setup, is it not for 6k?

[BLKCRX]

Anything can be done for any cost as I proved above $14,000 turbo conversion down to $2400 its choosing what’s right for you that counts.

Most turbo Honda owners thow have in the back of there mind that one day they will build there engine to support more boost, if that’s the case why undersize parts to begin with that’s wasting money…? Most people get the boost bug and want more !! spending more money on a setup that will run 7psi and also 25psi in my eyes is worth more than buying small cheaper parts only ever designed for small boost, smaller injectors, smaller turbo, etc once things are done right there done for good., simple at the end of the day you need to set a budget based on how much money you want to spend and how fast / safe you want your setup to be, the worst thing any of us want is to kill our engines and have it sitting in a workshop being rebuilt car less…..

For people who want to spend around $5000 or less I recommended they look at NOS, install a fantastic fuel setup (intake pump / regulator / injectors / ECU (that has NOS control ) and NOS is a very good option for maximum power with little cost. And NOS is no more illegal than it is turbo’ing your car without ADR 37 certification.


Regards James

[INFLYT]

Where are you guy's getting these ultra cheap price's ($850ish) for these clutches? Im up for one, and im trying to sort an alternative to paying $1800 (!) for a top shelf clutch from my workshop.

[poid]

For people who want to spend around $5000 or less I recommended they look at NOS, install a fantastic fuel setup (intake pump / regulator / injectors / ECU (that has NOS control ) and NOS is a very good option for maximum power with little cost. And NOS is no more illegal than it is turbo’ing your car without ADR 37 certification.


Regards James

erm???

using NOS on the street is huge instant fines, possibly even confiscation of either the NOS system or the whole car depending on which state you live in. With turbo if it isnt engineered then you may get defected, and at worst have to remove the kit before going over the pits yeh?

I dont see that as being no more illegal, no offence.

As for ADR 37 certification, i know here in the ACT we dont require that to be fully compliant with RTA regualtions and have the car fully road legal. An engineer's certificate will do the job. Dont know about other states. But if you get caught using NOS you WILL get reamed

[poid]

Where are you guy's getting these ultra cheap price's ($850ish) for these clutches? Im up for one, and im trying to sort an alternative to paying $1800 (!) for a top shelf clutch from my workshop.

I found an exedy cerametallic before for like $600 + install...dont know if that will suit your application though (though a mate, who gets his supplies from Rocket Industries)

[INFLYT]

Im pretty much after a clutch that's gonna handle everything im gonna throw at it, while handling huge amount's of power.
Everyone keep's telling me that $1800 is a huge amount to pay for the clutch/flywheel combo im after, but im yet to see proof of them being any cheaper.

[McChook]

I know this is old, but hey...

Firstly, everyones costing only included the actual "boosting", and left out the engine.. How long is the engine gonna last if it is standard?? Highish compression standard too... its gonna be laggy too... the list goes on, but I just thought i would add that the engine requires modifications itself, not included in the "turbo kit".

As for N2O, it is only illegal if they find it. I Have a mate who has had a full (with an airconditioned box in the boot to house the bottles) N2O set up in his FTO for 4 years. It looks bog stock from the exterior, but the whole car is extensively modified. The trick is not getting the cops attention. However, his brother had a N2O setup in his Skyline, which was heavily bodykitted, and hadn't finished the hidden installation... didn;t take a week to get busted.

It is possible to install N2O very discretely, and no one would ever know. But that adds more cost and removes the flash factor

[Weq]

Our dollar is good atm, import from the US. bring a flywheekl over, 8.8lbs ACT pro-lite will cost u 240US + shipping (ask slepercivic). These are a good reliable brand very popular with the USDM. and no tax is charged on such a small amount, so dont go there..

Clutch, i am still researching weather its cheaper to by dakin here(which are just rebadged Exedy) or go for something like a ACT HDSS shipped.

[hayashi_1986]

Why not just buy Weq's car? It'll save you 2k from the 14k that James quoted lol

[NeRV]

dude this thread is old

[hayashi_1986]

Shit i thought it was on the first page coz it came up at the bottom...I thought they were 'popular threads'...quite the opposite.

Don't I look like a dickhead ey?

[NeRV]

haha its all cool, things like this always happen.

[hayashi_1986]

I'm suprised it hasn't been closed.

Anyway, i'm going to stop posting here haha.

Seeya

Nice to meet ya btw.

[kazam]

Why not just buy Weq's car? It'll save you 2k from the 14k that James quoted lol


lol im sure he appreciated your input.. although it was 4 years late :p

[kraiye]

roflcopter!

[hayashi_1986]

Yeah, totally s**t...people are still replying lol

Would someone seriously close this thread? lol

[kraiye]

stop bumping it to the top then!

err... oops ;)