VTEChallenge Austalia

[jdm_b16a]

I am contacting Honda Australia today to see if they have any problem with using the above title for a proposed race series.

Peter

[jdm_b16a]

Like us over on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/VTEChallengeAustralia

Cheers,

Peter

[na-118]

This should be interesting.

[Benson]

Good on ya Peter for making this step forward. Let me know if you need a hand with anything

[jdm_b16a]

I will need a hand from many people in the Honda community!

At the moment I'm taking it slow. Contacted Honda, setup Facebook. Looking at getting the ball rolling with a logo so that TShirts, Polos, caps, stickers can be made.

Anyone good at Logo Design - I need your help?

Anyone got contacts within printing industry?

Get in contact please.

Sponsorships - I'm still investigating the best way to go. I suppose all depends on Honda Australia's reaction.

Peter

[jdm_b16a]

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Peter

[Water Boy]

Wow. May I suggest spamming this on all the forums and maybe even put posters at tracks etc.

Will class be AASA or CAMS?

[jdm_b16a]

Will class be AASA or CAMS?

We have approached AASA to be part of the 2014 AASA State Championships.

Peter

[jdm_b16a]

Our Draft Regulations will be available shortly. We have been working on the foundations on which competitors can build and develop cars, and whilst trying to keep it as "standard" as possible we will be allowing freedoms to enable everyone to build some very good looking and quick cars.

Obviously we are not going to please everyone but we think the Regulations have something for everyone to ensure good racing throughout the field.

Peter

[tinkerbell]

how's been going? need any more input?

[jdm_b16a]

how's been going? need any more input?

Good.

We have been busy updating the Regulations, and I've sent copies out to various parties for further refinement.

Hopefully we'll be able to produce a definitive document by the JDMYard End of Year as we'll be there with a small stand talking up the VTEChallenge for 2014.

We've also been doing some other stuff which we'll announce as they do/don't happen.

But, yes, we've been very impressed with the level of response.

Input is always welcome.

Peter

[tinkerbell]

great, sounds like good progress :)

[jdm_b16a]

great, sounds like good progress :)

How'd you go with the paperwork?

Any thoughts?

Peter

[tinkerbell]

How'd you go with the paperwork?

Any thoughts?

Peter

sorry Peter, I just pulled it out of the spam folder - will get back to you today... my apologies.

[tinkerbell]

Peter - comments sent :)

[jdm_b16a]

We will be making a slight variation to our name and Series.

The new name is THE VTECHALLENGE

New Series Organiser is VTECHALLENGE AUSTRALIA

Regards,

Peter

[kcokla]

Shame about the Honda challenge stickers then!

[jdm_b16a]

Shame about the Honda challenge stickers then!

We'll get some new ones made, and sort something out with all the people that got some of the "old" ones.

Peter

[jdm_b16a]

Draft regs will be available on the website tomorrow.

30 day review period.

Then its all systems go for 2014!

Peter

[fatboyz39]

Rules are great.

[urxqsd]

So how is everything travelling with the series Peter?

[jdm_b16a]

My EG is coming along. Still on track for a 2014 start - just not sure when.

Peter

[urxqsd]

My EG is coming along. Still on track for a 2014 start - just not sure when.

Peter

Nice, will be looking out for more details, i wouldn't have to do to much on mine to pull it off the road and get it track only ready. would love to have a run

[ALLMTR996]

Keep up all the hard work Peter the rules draft looks very good and can see its designed and written by people that have been involved in a control
class of racing at one stage of there career's.

[jdm_b16a]

Official regulations will be released next Monday.

Peter

[.Dave]

where can I find the regulations?
Jez (URXQSD) does great work with stickers and shirts - 305 vinyls on facebook :)

[jdm_b16a]

Yes I know Mr. Morris.

Technical Regulations download:

http://users.tpg.com.au/adslljrb/documents/Honda.pdf

Peter

[markismaximus]

Looking good Peter, I'm sure people are who interested can appreciate the amount of effort you have gone to for this. Keep it up

[Hondarally]

Good regs by the looks. Interestingly, Peter, reg 7.2 seems to disqualify your own Vtec Challenge car.

Also, no mention of in-cabin brake bias adjustment. Is it like 3J rules where if it doesn't say you can, then you can't?

Does reg 19.1 mean that you have to retain pivot points also (ie no floor hinged pedal boxes)?

Not in any way criticising - just seeking some clarification on items that would affect me if I were to run in some events (although am QLD based so not sure whether I'd get down that way to run in events)

[jdm_b16a]

Good regs by the looks.

Thanks. The reception has been very positive. Now we need people to put up their hands.


Interestingly, Peter, reg 7.2 seems to disqualify your own Vtec Challenge car.

Because it says OEM for the K24? We'll amend that as necessary. Even if I'm the only competitor!!


Also, no mention of in-cabin brake bias adjustment. Is it like 3J rules where if it doesn't say you can, then you can't?

Yes, you can have in-cabin brake bias adjustment.

People should seek clarification whenever there is a grey area. These regulations aren't perfect and they'll undergo review. Don't assume you can do stuff because it's not precluded in these regulations. Good point.


Does reg 19.1 mean that you have to retain pivot points also (ie no floor hinged pedal boxes)?

We would prefer to keep it that way even though technically you could use hinged pedal boxes. Maybe we might add that clarification to the first ADDENDUM.


Not in any way criticising - just seeking some clarification on items that would affect me if I were to run in some events (although am QLD based so not sure whether I'd get down that way to run in events)

No problem. We'd rather someone criticise - means you've actually read the regulations.

We'd love to have you down when we get off the ground.

Thanks, and thanks Mark.

Peter

[Hondarally]

Because it says OEM for the K24? We'll amend that as necessary. Even if I'm the only competitor!!


I was referring to this bit:

K20 series engines are limited to 2021cc. maximum capacity [being STD
stroke and STD bore plus 0.5mm overbore] in chassis manufactured before
2003.
• K24 series engines are limited to 2400cc maximum capacity in chassis
manufactured after 2003 - more specifically DC5, EP3. FD1 FD2..
I take that to mean you can't run a K24 in an EG / EK / DC etc. Is this the intent? It's the only logical way I can interpret it (not that my interpretation is necessarily right). I have a K24 EK, and I'm sure there are a few other K24 powered pre-2003 Hondas out there.

I'd love to come down for some events - sounds like a great, low pressure (ie no sheep stations, and no $300k builds) race series. Just what grass roots motorsport should be about. Kudos for that!!

[jdm_b16a]

I take that to mean you can't run a K24 in an EG / EK / DC etc. Is this the intent? It's the only logical way I can interpret it (not that my interpretation is necessarily right). I have a K24 EK, and I'm sure there are a few other K24 powered pre-2003 Hondas out there.

I do have a K24 EG and yes you can put a K24 into a pre-2003 car. We will amend that part of the regulation to reflect this.


I'd love to come down for some events - sounds like a great, low pressure (ie no sheep stations, and no $300k builds) race series. Just what grass roots motorsport should be about. Kudos for that!!

Thanks. Definitely "No Sheepstations"!

Peter

[jdm_b16a]

UPDATED

Technical Regulations v1.1 download:

http://users.tpg.com.au/adslljrb/documents/Honda11.pdf

Peter

[jdm_b16a]

UPDATED

Technical Regulations v1.2 download:

http://users.tpg.com.au/adslljrb/documents/Honda12.pdf

Peter

[Hondarally]

Good tweaks there. I'm sure it will be a work in progress till the little bugs / ambiguities get sorted, but looking good so far.

I like this bit:


18.1 The vehicle ride height will be at least 80mm at race weight
That helps the low sumped K-swaps out there.:thumbsup:

[jdm_b16a]

... the low sumped K-swaps out there.:thumbsup:

Hell yeah!

Make sure you swap your aluminium sump for a steel one (if you don't already have one)

Peter

[Chernoby1]

Can exceptions be made for the ground ckerance thing?

One of my exhaust flanges is ~95mm at stock height... I dont think my shocks are long enough to keep it above 80mm :/
Makes it difficult for any b-series car to lower the engine as the exhaust wraps under the sump.
Heck even cars that came out with b16a's would struggle to run b18c type headers and keep a reasonable ride height.

Im not familiar with production car based regs but would 50mm be out of the question? Do the tracks have limits for that?

Edit:
14.8 exhaust limit of 95db is fine, but what happens in the case that the intake is louder? (As is the case for me now (

14.10 would rule my car out anyway. No ITBs permitted?

[jdm_b16a]

Can exceptions be made for the ground clearance thing?

One of my exhaust flanges is ~95mm at stock height... I don't think my shocks are long enough to keep it above 80mm :/
Makes it difficult for any b-series car to lower the engine as the exhaust wraps under the sump.
Heck even cars that came out with b16a's would struggle to run b18c type headers and keep a reasonable ride height.

I'm not familiar with production car based regs but would 50mm be out of the question? Do the tracks have limits for that?

Edit:
14.8 exhaust limit of 95db is fine, but what happens in the case that the intake is louder? (As is the case for me now (

14.10 would rule my car out anyway. No ITBs permitted?

We would not exclude you just because of the clearance issue, especially if there a lot of other people in the same situation. I'm probably going to be caught out by that too!

We would agree by consensus that that particular rule might be put aside temporarily or permanently.

Both AASA and CAMS only require that the exhaust be limited to <95dB.

14.10. You'd have to swap back to the OEM manifold yes but if you just wanted to run (not score points, etc) then you would be allowed to do so under the special provision of 4.4.

Peter

[Hondarally]

IPRA runs a 100mm ground clearance limit, and there are several extremely fast B series Hondas running (some U2L Lap record holders, in fact) so obviously B series can be made to work, even with a 100mm ground clearance. I thought that 80mm was a gift.

Is the exhaust noise measured using the static noise test, or using noise meters around the track?

[jdm_b16a]

IPRA runs a 100mm ground clearance limit, and there are several extremely fast B series Hondas running (some U2L Lap record holders, in fact) so obviously B series can be made to work, even with a 100mm ground clearance. I thought that 80mm was a gift.

Is the exhaust noise measured using the static noise test, or using noise meters around the track?

As for ground clearance we will play it as it comes. We would rather INCLUDE a competitor rather than EXCLUDE!

Exhaust noise is measured at a single point, at a certain standard distance from the track. For years competitors have played with exhaust location. some have it on the left; some on the right, others straight out the back. It really doesn't matter as the meter functions specifically to pick up 'ambient' noise. This is so as many have often complained about the noise of a rotary engine NOT setting off the meter yet cars that seem a lot quieter do.

Peter

[jdm_b16a]

Here's the rule from the 2014 CAMS Manual

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NOISE: The Organiser shall have the necessary noise measuring devices in place, and they shall be in operation throughout the entirety of a race meeting.
In order to assist Competitors, after each practice and qualifying session, each Driver of an automobile which records sound levels of between 93 and 95dB(A) must be so advised by the Organiser.
Each automobile which records in excess of 95 dB(A) at any time may be removed from the circuit and not permitted to resume practice or racing until the Organiser is satisfied that the problem has been rectified.
At each race meeting, at least one official must be nominated Judge of Fact (noise level) and his name
included in the regulations for the meeting.

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Peter

[Chernoby1]

IPRA runs a 100mm ground clearance limit, and there are several extremely fast B series Hondas running (some U2L Lap record holders, in fact) so obviously B series can be made to work, even with a 100mm ground clearance. I thought that 80mm was a gift.


I'm not used to production car racing of any sort so i may be a tad oblivious lol. Last 'car' we ran had less than an inch of clearance from the ground and one of our competitors was scrubbing his front wing on every corner.


Here's the rule from the 2014 CAMS Manual

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NOISE: The Organiser shall have the necessary noise measuring devices in place, and they shall be in operation throughout the entirety of a race meeting.
In order to assist Competitors, after each practice and qualifying session, each Driver of an automobile which records sound levels of between 93 and 95dB(A) must be so advised by the Organiser.
Each automobile which records in excess of 95 dB(A) at any time may be removed from the circuit and not permitted to resume practice or racing until the Organiser is satisfied that the problem has been rectified.
At each race meeting, at least one official must be nominated Judge of Fact (noise level) and his name
included in the regulations for the meeting.

---------

Peter

Makes sense.

[jdm_b16a]

UPDATED

anyone considering competing needs to be aware of some clarifications included in this 1.3 update.

Technical Regulations v1.3 download:

http://users.tpg.com.au/adslljrb/documents/Honda13.pdf

Peter

[Adrian @ SAS]

PM sent

[ALLMTR996]

UPDATED

anyone considering competing needs to be aware of some clarifications included in this 1.3 update.

Technical Regulations v1.3 download:

http://users.tpg.com.au/adslljrb/documents/Honda13.pdf

Peter

Good stuff I like the cyl head and intake manifold rules ALOT.

[Hondarally]

Hey Peter

Sorry to bang on about the pedal box rule, but I just realised that the pedal box I have sitting all boxed up on the shelf is a top mount kit (always assumed it was floor mount - I need to pay more attention!!). Are aftermarket top mount pedal boxes permitted? (My reading of the rules says "yes" but would prefer to confirm first). I believe that the box is IPRA compatible, so I can get away with using it. Was planning on a brake upgrade, including new 1" M/Cyl, but the pedal box might be the best option for me, since it's all sitting there already (nice and shiny and new).

[jdm_b16a]

Are aftermarket top mount pedal boxes permitted? (My reading of the rules says "yes" but would prefer to confirm first).

No problem. All OK as you are maintaining the position (and orientation).

Peter

[shake]

I know this is a bit late, but re the exhaust height: IPRA regs are written so that the min height is 100mm, excluding the exhaust. Meaning that the exhaust may be any height.

[jdm_b16a]

I know this is a bit late, but re the exhaust height: IPRA regs are written so that the min height is 100mm, excluding the exhaust. Meaning that the exhaust may be any height.

OK.

Peter