Rolling stop in neutral?

[manonastick]

Hey just been wondering for awhile
Is it any bad rolling stop from say 60 and go to neutral and brake to a stop? I just wanna ask because my mum who sometimes want to take my car does that to stop. I dunno where i heard this before but it damages the diff if you do this.
any help will be appreciated
cheers

[bennjamin]

(IMO)
you should always keep the car in gear and apply the clutch just as you approach a standstill - keeping the car in gear ofcourse. Its safer , and puts less load on your brakes and keeps the car in balance.

[manonastick]

hard to convince my mum though, shes the one that taught me how to drive lol
though i never roll in neutral

[ceekay101]

Just make sure the clutch isn't being held in while coasting to a stop or you'll wear the thrust bearing prematurely

[curtis265]

baaaad to do that

it doesn't save fuel

it doesn't save brakes

it's not as safe if you need to accelerate for some reason

[sensei_]

easier to just let the car roll to a stop in gear, so downshift every so often.

[VeYzZii]

I always geardown till second, i dont drop it to first. But my car is pretty loud, and its pops on the blip so everyone looks. But yea i feel like im so over killing it.When ya do make sure you match to save your clutch.

[joeyybruh]

that's a bad habit and I guess hard to break once it becomes second nature ..

show her these posts and politely ask or persuade her to break the habit .

personally , having a lightened flywheel helps heaps since the revs do go down quicker promoting you to change gears .

an easy way of downshifting is provided your going a little over 70 in gear 5 , drop to forth when under 60 and drop to 3rd when going 40 .. anything under that speed you can drop it again one last time to 2nd or go into neutral and stop using minimal braking . going down a gear during these speeds is ideal because the engine speed matches well to the actual speed your going with minimal jerking if you shift smooth

I barley ever use my breaks when it comes to normal driving because of how quick the revs drop , hence saving brake life ! if needed so I'll apply it but gearing up is just as important as gearing down .. hope that sort of helps , all the best to your mum :)

[na-118]

she'll be right, not a big issue,

[Hasbeen]

Come on fellers, if you want to pretend your Fangio, driving a 1950s Mercedes F1, going back through the gears at every stop, by all means do so, it's fun, but please don't suggest "normal" people should do so. There is no good reason for normal folk to wear out their clutches & gear boxes, playing games.

Hell we stopped doing it on the race track once we got some decent friction material.

You can't brake with maximum efficiency, while your mucking around with all that heel & toe stuff. Even at Bathurst by the 60s, in the F1 Brabhams at the bottom of conrod, we would brake in top, all the way down to 70MPH, then change straight to second gear.

We did have to go back to the old way, gears helping brakes, when the GT HOs & the Monaros came out, but the manufacturers soon learnt to put brakes on their toys. In 68, in the 500, I even had to do all the stopping on gears, for the last 13 laps, when the thing had used all the fluid in the silly little split reservoir on the master cylinder, chasing up the worn pads.

In the S I use plenty of gears, in the twisty stuff, but always with the thought that brakes are for stopping, gears are for accelerating, & keeping the thing in the power band. Fooling around with gears is for enthusiasts to reduce the boredom, when earning a living stops you being in those twisty bits for the moment. It is not for mothers driving to the shops. Hell I think she's doing great, driving a manual in this day & age.

[curtis265]

i didn't say that

i said to just leave it in gear instead of N.

[Vvvtec]

pics of mum

[u mad?]

pics of mum

This.

[tiksie]

My bad habit is that I rev match downgearing no matter where I am, in or out of traffic. So either way, hydro braking is never applied and it's probably the same as what you're doing. That's what brake pads are for though :D

[lolmclol]

I've got into the bad habit of if I know I'm going to have to come to a complete stop I'll roll in with it in neutral, but should it go green again I'll match the rev and drop back into gear and take off.

In all honesty I thought that was the better way to do it as you wouldn't be putting as much stress on your clutch and as brake pads are cheaper and easier to swap than a clutch :-S.

[manonastick]

I somehow convinced my mum, she said she will try her best since it my precious car ahahahaha.
Anyhow i used to have the habit of shifting down every gear too, now i just wait til the rev go drop below 2k and neutral roll and brake lol.
My theory is shifting down alot wears the gearbox + clutch and using brake more is cheaper as brake is cheaper to replace than the clutch.

[PHO]

In all honesty I thought that was the better way to do it as you wouldn't be putting as much stress on your clutch and as brake pads are cheaper and easier to swap than a clutch :-S.

When you get really used to rev matching, you can just pop the clutch out when you blip. RPM's have to match give or take 100-200. With this, you will barely slip the clutch.

Or is it just me getting used to my cousins button clutch... Either way, practice your blipping. After driving cousins button, i'm pretty much dead on with it now. Adjust it a bit for the response of the shitty d series, and i can just let of the clutch real quick and it wont jolt.


Practice makes perfect with manual really.



edit, though i do generally hold the clutch for a split second longer at its friction point when going down into 2nd. Protect dem engine mounts incase i fkd up the match

[curtis265]

if you leave it in gear it's not wearing the clutch

it's only wewaring of you drop a gear and let the clutch match the revs.

[u mad?]

I drop it back to first gear to slow down, even on the highway

I reckon its a waste to use brakes pads and rotors, there only there for emergency sittuations imo



Regards,

Watajk

[EKVTIR-T]

damn street racers

[Hasbeen]

PHO, u mad, I can see nothing wrong with that, as long as you are not frightening the horses, or other road users.
Wearing out clutches, gearboxes, & tyres is probably some of the cheapest fun you can have with your clothes on. I do it a bit myself, when I want to remind my that I could once drive quick cars quickly.

I wouldn't have spent a fortune on building a 330 BHP 33 year old Triumph, or another on a very low mileage mint S2000 if I didn't approve of playing games.

It was easier in my younger days. We didn't have to be going all that fast to enjoy a full opposite lock slide around a corner, with narrow crossply tyres, made from rubber virtually straight out of the tree. Being able to legally drive most of our cars just about as fast as they would go helped with having fun, & a drivers licence.

All I was saying was go easy on us oldies even if some of us don't drive in a sporty way, at least most of us won't mind if you overtake us, we did much more of that back then too.

Incidentally I did find it harder to learn to rev match with the S than any other car I've owned. With a lot less mechanical clatter from the modern Honda, & better sound insulation than the old things I've been running, quick throttle response, & high revs, plus me going a bit deaf, it took longer than I'd expected.

It is a joy, once you get it, with that great gearbox. I don't know if any of you have been lucky enough to drive the first S in Oz, the S600. They were great fun, but with an 11,000RPM red line, very slow synchros & a heavy flywheel, rev matching was more necessary, but a time consuming business. In a standing start, if you didn't short shift first, at 11,000 RPM in first you had to wait a full couple of seconds, before you could select second without a crunch.

[Vvvtec]

Is you're s2k silver by any chance? Seen an older fella giving one some beans a couple months back lol

[Hasbeen]

No, mine is yellow.

But it's good to know I'm not the only old fart driving one.

[lolmclol]

Seen a few older people driving them over here, so don't worry you aren't the only one :-P

... there's even an older bloke who owns a red NSX over here.

[butterfingers]

i heel-toe everywhere i go.

its flattering.

[manonastick]

Regardless of age i think we all have our own way of driving. The thing i enjoy about cars is regardless of age that we share the same passion. I love it when another s pulls next to you and trade thumbs up lol

[u mad?]

Lmao kunts in hondas never give thumbs up/ wave. Kunts have chip on there shoulders, u just get death stares lol.

Only the white honda drivers wave.

No racist

[integraR]

heel toe rev matching on downshift

[lolmclol]

Lmao kunts in hondas never give thumbs up/ wave. Kunts have chip on there shoulders, u just get death stares lol.

Only the white honda drivers wave.

No racist

that squinted death stare could be a normal expression.

nomsayin'

[u mad?]

that squinted death stare could be a normal expression.

nomsayin'
Lmao u could be onto somthing here

[manonastick]

Forgot to mention how i love when asian honda owners drive by you by vtec-ing

[bennjamin]

Forgot to mention how i love when asian honda owners drive by you by vtec-ing

How do Aussie or ethnic Honda drive by you ?!

[butterfingers]

if an asian happened to own a HSV would they "super flat torque curve" past you instead?

[curtis265]

if an asian happened to own a HSV would they "super flat torque curve" past you instead?

super flat torque curve just kicked in yo

[manonastick]

I live around the eastwood (if anyone knows that area its fully inhabited by asian) I love how people love pass me by flooring it regardless of what car they drive. obviously it does not apply to everyone but to me it seem like majority of asian do and i dont have that much insight into it as i only had my s2k for 3 weeks. Regardless i love people show their passion by doing so :D

[u mad?]

super flat torque curve just kicked in yo
Looololol