Compare Renault Clio Sport & ITR?

[lovesil]

Hi Guys,

Here am i again to do up another compare Thread!

And this time, it's another close rival which is the Renault Clip Sport.

I have they are also known as the Type R Killer.......(hear it from somewhere)

Anyway, any one can comment on this on how the 2 compare in terms of TRACKWISE and DAILY USAGE WISE!

Thanks

[|N|]

on a track the R ll kicks ass... but as for daily use...clio has more luxury...

just my 2 cents

[Hondavirgin]

I ran against a Clio sport (the older one) in autokhana's back in perth and my times were about the same, he was using R-comps too. Could have been the driver i guess but he wasn't too shabby, pretty experienced.

That was with a VTiR too.

[IRI]

hmmmz, 132kw and 200Nm 0-100 in 7 secs..... <Renault
VS 141KW and 178NM 0-100 in ??secs.... <DC2R
Could be a very hard one to call, daily I guess there wouldnt be no argument that the renault would be better. But with all the luxuries (4 airbags etc) I dont think the clio would touch an R on the track...

[itr025]

I believe the Clio sport is a faster everyday car due to the very strong mid range torque it has. So pulling away from lights, accelerating out of turns etc. the clio would be faster and also easier to drive.

On a full blown spirited run or on a track however, I believe it's all dc2r territory.

However one thing the clio will never match the r is in build quality and drivetrain smoothness. The main gripe I have with the 206GTi I've driven is the gearbox - it's so inferrior to all the Honda manuals I've driven. From what I've read, the clio shift isn't something to write home about either.

[m2h]

from what i experience, clio sport will kill tegs on everyday driving, dont know about track tho........... oh and i mean vtiR. Type R, i dont have a clue............

[m2h]

Oh and forget to mention, my car have IHE, the clio sport is complete stock.......
well, could be my bad driving skills.......... but i did lose one, shame -_-"

[lovesil]

No shame, Mate! Clio do 0 - 100 in the 7++ secs range!

[itr025]

what did you lose? a traffic light sprint?

[LUD02C]

Why is it that every compare thread, everyone wants to know track vs street lol
Thing is mate, a good driver in a slower car will beat you, even if your in a quicker car.

Drive both cars and you will see which car you like the feel of etc.
I've driven a type R, Clio sport and satria gti's, i'd go the Clio Sport for sure.
But the Integra is a great car.

[gelo]

should check out narada's clio sport on the circuit club track days
i think his car only has a zorst?
and his car laps wafefield at like 1:16=1:17 or something
( catn remember correctly)

[Kawasaki]

clio sports are packin V6's vs an inline 4... so integra aint that bad but still I think clio sport would munch a type r stock to stock, but not by much :P.

[IRI]

Didnt they only come to Aus in 2l 4's???

[IRI]

Yeah it s a 4 not a 6...
http://www.renault.com.au/renaultsport/roadcars/clio182/performance.htm
Tare weight only 1009kgs!!! I never realised these things were such little beasts! Man if only it wasnt so ugly.....

[Kawasaki]

lol you serious 4 cyls.... hmmm ok dang :D

[Fattony]

heh i ran a clio sport with my vtir and made a mess of him, so would hate to think wat i itr would do

[itr025]

You're thinking about the firespitting monster that is the Clio V6. Renault ripped out the rear seats and put a 3litre+ V6 there and made it RWD... Looks very mad too. You use that thing to scare wildlife.

Anyway more cyclinders don't mean faster car... look at the FTO! lol *flame suit on*

[spoondc2]

You're thinking about the firespitting monster that is the Clio V6. Renault ripped out the rear seats and put a 3litre+ V6 there and made it RWD... Looks very mad too. You use that thing to scare wildlife.

Anyway more cyclinders don't mean faster car... look at the FTO! lol *flame suit on*

I like Clio RS more than the Clio V6, better balance

anyway i really don't know clio or integra is better, i really think that it depends how much can you take out from the car, rather than how much the car can give you, i see a Hyundai with suspension and semi-slick mods on the track beats 2 light-tuned ITR, i also see ek4, corolla, 206, dc2, or even jazz beats ITR, so my opinion is i won't do anything extra on the car before i can get the most out of my car

[J-MuN]

in GT4, the Clio was really giving me problems when i was driving my Motul Mugen Civic Si 87'...

[cusco echo]

i have driven both b4, i wont say cilo is a better car to drive as a daily, the steering is too heavy, gear stick is too far away (maybe my arms are too short) and the rear seats are for dogs only

[Speeder]

I like their numbers but don't like the looks and the name....CLIO, isn't that a name for a girls magazine?? or is that CLEO :p

[00dc2]

clio is a better around town car.. you can tell by the way its been made for torque and not revs.. itr is a better racer...

and reliability.. sheesh.. my friend has a 1yr old clio 172 (no mods) and the exhaust has cracked and the rear muffler is hanging twisted.. the car sounds like it has a huge exhast when it goes past.

warranty will fix it.. but what happens when this sorta shit happens after the warranty period. renault are not the quality manufacturer honda are!

[DaPlaya]

ITR would smoke it even in a straight line haha.

[DaPlaya]

ohh and, ITR is better looking, better built, more durable, more rev hungry, im sure its more fun to drive (havent drive a Clio), and just plain better sex appeal. Clio = gay french car for single gay french men. Even sounds like a skin moisturiser. Damn im so honda bias.

[spoondc2]

clio is a better around town car.. you can tell by the way its been made for torque and not revs.. itr is a better racer...

and reliability.. sheesh.. my friend has a 1yr old clio 172 (no mods) and the exhaust has cracked and the rear muffler is hanging twisted.. the car sounds like it has a huge exhast when it goes past.

warranty will fix it.. but what happens when this sorta shit happens after the warranty period. renault are not the quality manufacturer honda are!

Yeah maybe you're right but there are not much people who will going to keep the same car for 5 years, so i don't think warranty is a problem at all

whatever, we all ITR bias, lots of ppl think ITR beats everything in striaght or even corners, although i don't see that always happen

Personal opinion only

[MKI4EVA]

guys I was at a dyno day where a clio cup was up there pulling 100.1KW at the wheels. If its true that they weigh below 1100 I'd think it'll give the itr's a handfull on the straights. The guys only had the car for 1month so its probably not run in yet as well.

[Steer^Gimic]

put the clio in the hands of an experienced driver and i believe it will put up a good fight. clio has great styling, great features and a rather good general european build.

ITR has the ability to rev the **** off the clio, has a more rigid chassis and has japanese honda build quality. and we all know what that's like

break it down like this. Stock VS Stock. Clio in a corner, ITR in a straight.

That's my 2euros worth :P

[revolution]

From the lights I loose 1st and 2nd gear to the Clio by 1 carlength or so. When 3rd gear kicks in I pull back with avengence. From a roll coming up from behind I am all over it's ass. I drive a DC5R BTW.

The Clio has great low end torque compared to the Type R's, no doubts. But that thing is one of the ugliest mofo's on the street. The built quality is quite crap, the seating position is cramped and the back seats are only for extra small sized midgits.

[itr025]

I'm a fan of the Clio sport, but it's no secret the French leave a lot to be desired in terms of ergonomics and quality. Big quirk in an otherwise great little car I reckon.

[lovesil]

I tried to compare the both myself in GT4 and i find ITR has a slight better handling (both is good) and ITR also wins the straights too! However, this is just the result i had from a pretty good simulator in the world! Clio looks good from the front, but i do think his ass looks bad!

Can anyone tell me how is it's backseat compared to ITR! I do know that Clio's back seat is small, but how much bigger is a ITR?

[Speeder]

Yeah maybe you're right but there are not much people who will going to keep the same car for 5 years, so i don't think warranty is a problem at all

whatever, we all ITR bias, lots of ppl think ITR beats everything in striaght or even corners, although i don't see that always happen

Personal opinion only
Personally it shouldn't matter how long the owner keeps a certain car, but I know alot of people who buy cars and keep them for alot longer then 5 years. Our family car has been with the family for 11 years now, and it's still kicking. either way Clio has good numbers but still not a fan of their looks and the build quality. personal opinion.

[spoondc2]

Personally it shouldn't matter how long the owner keeps a certain car, but I know alot of people who buy cars and keep them for alot longer then 5 years. Our family car has been with the family for 11 years now, and it's still kicking. either way Clio has good numbers but still not a fan of their looks and the build quality. personal opinion.

Hmm... i really understand what you mean i do agree with it, but nearly 95% of clio owners don't regret to buy it and keep it, which is told by lots of renault sport owners, "if you buy the car and you keep complaining to it, just throw it away, you won't treat the car as gold"

I do agree that Honda have very good and reliabilities on the car and engine, but it is also no doubt that renault had transfer lots of F1 technologies on all of the Renault Sport series and selling about mid 30K, the speed and handling of the stock car is good enough for street and light track, i really can't tell which car is faster or handles better cos it is just all bias. We are not the professionals who can be able to feel everything about the car and giving professional comments.

I've seen too many similar posts and never have results, "DC2 vs EK4", "DC2 R vs DC5R", "ITR vs WRX".........etc. I really don't know how to answer this kind of Q's, what i know is, if you like the car, keep it and try to get most out of it, if not, try to get the car you want. I won't regret if my ITR's engine blown up, i will FIX it rather get rid of it, and I won't regret that if my clio sport have gearbox problems and stuff like that, i will try to FIX it rather doing annoying and noisy complainings.


PS: LOL something bias, I never see anyone who buy a ITR as a family car and drive it as family car and going to keep it for more than 5 years..... haha personal opinions only

[Speeder]

LOL, our family car is a volvo, not the ITR, it will never fit the whole family even if you tried :D .

[franki]

Are you guys comparing the dc5 itr or the dc2 itr against the clio, cos theres a difference, well either way both itr's will chop the clio in a race, but i cant coment on the clios daily driving ability cos i havent driven one. but im defin8 that an itr will munch it.

[spoondc2]

LOL, our family car is a volvo, not the ITR, it will never fit the whole family even if you tried :D .

Exactly LOL

[spoondc2]

I tried to compare the both myself in GT4 and i find ITR has a slight better handling (both is good) and ITR also wins the straights too! However, this is just the result i had from a pretty good simulator in the world! Clio looks good from the front, but i do think his ass looks bad!

Can anyone tell me how is it's backseat compared to ITR! I do know that Clio's back seat is small, but how much bigger is a ITR?

If you are driving a clio, the back seat will be VERY small for you if you're 194cm like me, cos i need to move the seat as far as the steer i could, but if you're not very tall, it is far enough space for you, integra's rear seat have bit more space even i move the seat as back as i could

Well....... because i don't expect anyone sitting on the back, so i took out the rear seat for both car, not an issue for me at all, i will drive another car if i need to take people, don't expect any coupe can have any comfort on the rear seat

[ATSEK4]

If you are driving a clio, the back seat will be VERY small for you if you're 194cm like me, cos i need to move the seat as far as the steer i could, but if you're not very tall, it is far enough space for you, integra's rear seat have bit more space even i move the seat as back as i could

Well....... because i don't expect anyone sitting on the back, so i took out the rear seat for both car, not an issue for me at all, i will drive another car if i need to take people, don't expect any coupe can have any comfort on the rear seat

really?? any police gives shit when they see u have 2 seats only?

[spoondc2]

really?? any police gives shit when they see u have 2 seats only?

LOL don't tell the police... i better put it back tonight....
J/K.... Did alcohol testing at night once, and they don't care about it :o

[davemaca]

Well since I sold my dc2r (daily driver for 3+ years) for a new Clio 182 cup I can say to 100 km/h they would be the same (when the r was modded I/H/E) but after that the r would pull away gently. Cornering- nothing in it although the r has slightly less body roll. Ride- The Clio is amazing considering the cornering. The clio would eat the honda on a small twisty road and throw in some uphills the torque of the clio is awesome in every gear at almost any speed, I know I would have trouble keeping up. High speed sweepers the R was more stable. The clio would also outbrake the r which I still find hard to believe. I have now made the decision as a everyday quick/comfortable car the Clio is better than the r. I still miss the r tho, for a full on driving experience the are awesome but only on the rare occasion where you get to go 100%. Where the clio still kicks arse but you can also relax in it with the leather seats/cruise/speed control and awesome standard stereo, It's a more 'fun' car to drive the way it corners and moves around. No there not as well built as a honda but there not badly built either (remember they are 10k cheaper than the equivalent integra). Finally - Michelan Pilot's rock. I still love Honda's though but their current range, apart from the euro sucks. I just couldn't buy one of those 'fake' AUSDM dc5r's or the S' for that matter (nearly 50k on the road).

[bmorr]

hey all

been a while since ive been on these forums.... sooo much reading to catch up on.... and regardless of what most of u think, i like the new type s :D

anyway this seemed to be an interesting thread... although i have to say i was a little disappointed.... i love honda (big fan... there is room in my garage anyday for one these babys) but people like DaPlaya turn me off honda altogether...

dude u sound like one of those highschool kids that think vtec is hondas answer for turbos...

as i said i think hondas are great cars (specially the type r's... consider they were the only manufacturer in aust. to have the balls to bring out an all out race car) but you gotta give credit where its due....
i have two suggestions for you and franki.... a) read up on the net or in mags on the clio and b) more importantly drive one!!! youll soon see why they are faster then the tegs in a straight line and around corners (moreso the cup versions)... not to mention they brake better too (quote from wheels mag "the clio's brakes are only second to porshe")... there is a reason why they are known as the "type r killers"

BUT it does have its flaws... the build quality comes no where near honda's and the driving position is horrible!!!..quite seriously, you just cant get comfortable in this car... not to mention the that the tegs look better.... so in THESE respects the honda wins... but when it comes to having some serious fun (not to mention at a great price), then the french has it...

and yes i know ofcourse there is gonna be bias here... after all it is a honda forum... but there is a difference between being bias and being completely ignorant....

anyway i mean no offence... but i just couldnt help myself...

[spite]

Nah ... I am yet to see a Clio give me any sort of issue. Might be a little unfair tho ;).

They are a nice car yes, they have a wow factor (bang for buck), they are competitively priced but when it really comes down to it, the R will kill it.

davemaca's post is interesting. The standard ITR DOES lack low down torque. I would have to say the ECU re-map I did was the best thing ever and only now can the car cruise around in whatever gear I am in at the time. It's the ITR's biggest downfall, which I was able to get rid of!

[DOHCVTEC]

I don't know how a DC5 ITR compares to a clio since I drive a DC2R.

I do find DC2R a better car in many ways.

Firstly, ITR DOES handles better in most corners. Drive it hard around wakefield park and you will find that the ITR has better turn in and power down when exiting corners. I don't know about mid corner speed cos I don't have a V box. The clio doesn't have an LSD which would have a hard time putting all that strong mid range torque on the ground during corner exits + more understeer in corner exits. Keep in mind that the Honda has double wishbones susp which gives better camber control. The Type R chassis also allows better adjustability via throttle...a little bit of lift off, oversteers a little...The clio might be a little quicker in really really tight hairpins where you won't use too much throttle til the line is perfectly straight during corner exit.

Clio has more body roll, and it kind of hurts the poise...Its suspension actually has a more "race bias" set up than Type R. However, it doesn't even have independent rear suspension...it is so easy to turn on 3 wheels, u dun even have to try hard...

I haven't tested the brakes of the 2 cars side by side, but it seems that I can always brake later than clio sports driven by really good drivers.

The Clio does have more mid range grunt which gives it the advantage over the Type R esp when the Type R is caught off "hi cam". In city, it does make it easier to overtake without the need of shifting down + revving it to 8400rpm and have ppl looking at you.

Finally, just to give you a bit of an idea of how quick these cars are...
Rick Bates can lap a Clio sport CUP (special susp + tyres) around wakefield park (2005 Sept MOTOR BFYB) in 1.14.20.
Now me, the average joe (maybe a competent driver but far from a professional race driver) lapped the stock (and I mean totally stock) DC2 R with street tyres in 1.14.15. Yes, my Yoko tyres are prolly better than his but he's Rick Bates!!

Regardless of quickness. The things I like about dc2R are its adjustability, poise, driver involvement (all the scream from hi revving engine), gearshifts...From a driver's perspective, all these driving aspects just feels more "complete" in an ITR.:D

[DreadAngel]

Ummm... revival from the dead?

[7ypeR]

I think most of your reviews are based on the Clio vs DC2R. I'm quite confident that a K20 Honda R can take the Cliio both on the street and on the track. As for torque, the R will take the Clio even on the uphills. Common...how many Clio's have you seen run 13s or 12s NA on the standing quarter? Honda Power no doubt!!! :honda:

By the way, guys who are standing up for the Clio get the hell outta here. This is honda only boy! hahaha:p

[Malenic1981]

Well I drove a clio sport cup (my cuz worked as salesman for holden/renault) and I had few test runs with that car, I think it's ok but just too agly and too small (it's size of jazz or getz) and some people say it's cheap but in my opinion it's not, remember you are not getting sports coupe (like integra) you are getting small hachback that has entery price of under $20000, so that's extra $15000 while integra is completly different story.

Ok back to driving, car is very responsive, first and second gear is great but once it hits third it lacks power, starts slowing down, cornering is simular to Type R, I would not say better but about the same, brakes are great as thay are made by brambo so that's what you expect from them, probably a bit better than R. I had a race with my cuz, I was in my DC2R and was in clio, first two gears he was in front, once I hit third he was gonne, so I wouldn't even say that clio is better in stright line, maybe I could say thay are about the same with slight advantage to R.

So my final concusion is that Type R and Clio are very simular performers but R has better looks and is in class of sport coupes while clio is small buffed up hach that in my opinon is overprised, you put few more $$$$ in and you get yourself Megan Sport (turbo), ITR, WRX and so on.

[Zilli]

i remember having a run with a clio cup (older model) with my sister 03 MX5... straight line he only really pulled 3 car lengths to the end of thrid, and that was with me taking of with big revs and a lot of clutch slip....

through the corners it was really surprising, but i was fighting trying to balance the mazda as the ground was a little wet

i reckon i would give a Clio a good run for its money in the R

[nipnip]

been there, done that, clip sport with cat back, vs dc2r with full exhaust system. dc2r is the winner

[Chosta]

Never buy french cars! Very poor quality build....wip the car around for a bit, and things get loose and possibly break.

Everyday driving is okay...but sell the damn thing when warranty finishes!

[Speeder]

i have two suggestions for you and franki.... a) read up on the net or in mags on the clio and b) more importantly drive one!!! youll soon see why they are faster then the tegs in a straight line and around corners (moreso the cup versions)... not to mention they brake better too (quote from wheels mag "the clio's brakes are only second to porshe")... there is a reason why they are known as the "type r killers"

I mean I have no doubt that the Clio RS has capabilities, and is at the top of its game in the hot hatch category in terms of performance and for bucks, but to state that they will kill Type R's in straights, corners and underbrakes is a big statement to be making IMHO, and your sources are from the net and magazines? I'm not saying that the tegs are invincible, thats far from what i'm saying but don't talk from the third person as it doesn't mean anything in reality...and why do Clio drivers always compare their cars to our Hondas? because Hondas are better cars, otherwise you would not be comparing it to the tegs. The only positive I can see from the Clios are their bang for bucks...but there is a tradeoff in design (my opinion) and their poor built quality. Personally I don't look twice for Clios when I'm on the road, as I don't eat bait.

my 2 cents

[GD3-typeR]

hmmm clio sport, there are pretty fast. I was driving a stock accord-Euro 6 speed manual one day about may 2006. A flat blue clio sport (black alloys) zoom past me and i got pissed off and give it a run, at about 70km/h enter on a "C"-shape corner and about 90km/h out into a straight at 2nd gear 105km/h, 3rd gear 150ish km/h and about 180km/h on fourth slowing down.......both the euro K24A engine and stock clio sport 4wd turbo comes Par-to-par. It was a good run and i was amaze how good the FF Euro handle on the corner <VSA obviously is On>

[spoondc2]

Lol this thread had came back alive...

Ok... I've owned Clio RS and ITR and what i can tell you at the moment is, clio got better handling, balance and power than ITR comparing stock to IHE, ecu, cf bonnet ITR.

Same driver cos that was me

[Felix]

hmmm clio sport, there are pretty fast. I was driving a stock accord-Euro 6 speed manual one day about may 2006. A flat blue clio sport (black alloys) zoom past me and i got pissed off and give it a run, at about 70km/h enter on a "C"-shape corner and about 90km/h out into a straight at 2nd gear 105km/h, 3rd gear 150ish km/h and about 180km/h on fourth slowing down.......both the euro K24A engine and stock clio sport 4wd turbo comes Par-to-par. It was a good run and i was amaze how good the FF Euro handle on the corner <VSA obviously is On>

This was obviously on a race track....

[aaronng]

hmmm clio sport, there are pretty fast. I was driving a stock accord-Euro 6 speed manual one day about may 2006. A flat blue clio sport (black alloys) zoom past me and i got pissed off and give it a run, at about 70km/h enter on a "C"-shape corner and about 90km/h out into a straight at 2nd gear 105km/h, 3rd gear 150ish km/h and about 180km/h on fourth slowing down.......both the euro K24A engine and stock clio sport 4wd turbo comes Par-to-par. It was a good run and i was amaze how good the FF Euro handle on the corner <VSA obviously is On>
Be careful when posting speeds that you have run. This is the technical section and is open to everyone on the internet without needing to register. I'm sure cops would be reading the forums.

BTW, the Clio sport has a 2.0L I4 NA engine and is FWD. No turbo. No way can you overtake a Clio Sport that is trying with an Euro on the straight. A stock 2002 Clio sport with 124kW does 0-100 in about 7.0 seconds. Official renault time is 7.3 seconds. The current Clio Sport pushes 131kW instead and brings 0-100 to under 7 seconds. Put the Clio Cup into the equation with its sports suspension, it's in DC5R territory.

[2002 TeGgY]

here is a comparison i found on carsales.com, that compares the Integra Type S and the Clio and the Mini Cooper S, and it states that "Up to 100km/h, the Integra eyeballs the Clio, but with 23kW more power and tighter gearing, it then surges ahead" so the integra IS faster than the Clio and looks a million times better IMO.



here is the link http://editorial.carsales.com.au/car-review/ce7168.aspx

[Felix]

so the integra IS faster than the Clio and looks a million times better IMO.



here is the link http://editorial.carsales.com.au/car-review/ce7168.aspx

cause everything on the net is 100% truth!

[2002 TeGgY]

cause everything on the net is 100% truth!
hey man, carsales.com get their reviews from wheels magazine which is a reliable source.
Article by Wheels magazine
Words: Nathan Ponchard
Photos: Christian Brunelli
First published May 2005

[berniebern]

As an ex Honda owner, now Clio owner I can't possibly offer a bias opinion:p

I bought a second hand Clio Sport from a dealer a month ago. 56,000k's $18,500 on the road. Considering the features and performance, nothing comes close to it. 2nd hand Type R's were running about about $25,000.

The pull in 1st gear is phenomenal and off the line will do slightly modded Skyline's and WRX. For an FF car it just sticks to the road. Forget the fact that the Integra as VTi. The Renault has it's own and in my opinion the change in cams is just as vicious. But you don't need to work it close to the redline to get the most out of it. There is great performance within the whole rev range. 200Nn comes in at about 5400rpm-5400rpm whereas the ITR 192Nm @ 6000rpm-6000rpm....I don't see how an ITR will clip a Clio up a hill especially considering the ITR weighs at least 100 extra KG's on the Clio

Handling i'm not too sure about because I'm still getting used to the car but from the below Top Gear lap times, clearly the Clio is above the Civic Type R, which I'm led to believe is significantly quicker than an ITR?? Correct me if not.


1:33.8 – Renault Clio Renaultsport 182 Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Clio)
1:33.9 – Holden Monaro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Monaro)2
1:34.5 – Ford Mondeo ST220 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mondeo)
1:34.9 – Ford Focus ST (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Focus)4
1:35.0 – Volvo S60 R (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_S60)
1:35.1 – Volkswagen Golf GTI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Golf)
1:35.2 – Ferrari 575M Maranello (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_575M)3,5
1:35.3 – Vauxhall Vectra VXR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall_Vectra)
1:35.6 – Alfa Romeo 147 GTA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_147)
1:35.6 – Lotus Elise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Elise)2
1:36.2 – Aston Martin V12 Vanquish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Martin_Vanquish)3,5
1:36.2 – Renaultsport Clio V6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Clio)3
1:36.5 – Honda Civic Type-R (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic)As for reliability, considering everything is auto this and auto that, issues are bound to arise. But in reality you are only ever going to hear about the things that go wrong, never what goes right. There are plenty of Clios out there that never give any problems *touch wood*

As a complete product the Clio stands out. It's pretty hard not to with the standard Xenon's beaming in your eyes ;) And with Renault doing as well as they are doing in the F1 (yes, yes...button won the last race) the credibility of the engineering that goes into these cars is without question. And the fact that there aren't that many Clio's around gives it a cult status.

[berniebern]

here is a comparison i found on carsales.com, that compares the Integra Type S and the Clio and the Mini Cooper S, and it states that "Up to 100km/h, the Integra eyeballs the Clio, but with 23kW more power and tighter gearing, it then surges ahead" so the integra IS faster than the Clio and looks a million times better IMO.



here is the link http://editorial.carsales.com.au/car-review/ce7168.aspx

Therer is SOOOOO much more to a car than just straight line speed FFS. Read on...

"If you're chasing a car for all seasons, very little can out-smart a Renaultsport Clio 182. It won't cause fashion-victim advertising types to froth at the mouth, but it has the dynamic poise, fluency of movement, and interconnectedness that separates the good from the genuinely great driver's cars. And, at $32,990, it's incredible value. Let's just pray that next year's all-new model doesn't mess with the formula. In the meantime, the inspired Clio 182 is still the daddy."

[aaronng]

I agree with your off the line acceleration vs WRX. Because I have heard with my own ears a WRX driver praising the 130kW version of the Clio Sport on straight line acceleration. He claimed that the Clio Sport pulled away from him and he was expecting to eat up the baby hatch. LOL

[DOHCVTEC]

As an ex Honda owner, now Clio owner I can't possibly offer a bias opinion:p

I bought a second hand Clio Sport from a dealer a month ago. 56,000k's $18,500 on the road. Considering the features and performance, nothing comes close to it. 2nd hand Type R's were running about about $25,000.

The pull in 1st gear is phenomenal and off the line will do slightly modded Skyline's and WRX. For an FF car it just sticks to the road. Forget the fact that the Integra as VTi. The Renault has it's own and in my opinion the change in cams is just as vicious. But you don't need to work it close to the redline to get the most out of it. There is great performance within the whole rev range. 200Nn comes in at about 5400rpm-5400rpm whereas the ITR 192Nm @ 6000rpm-6000rpm....I don't see how an ITR will clip a Clio up a hill especially considering the ITR weighs at least 100 extra KG's on the Clio

Handling i'm not too sure about because I'm still getting used to the car but from the below Top Gear lap times, clearly the Clio is above the Civic Type R, which I'm led to believe is significantly quicker than an ITR?? Correct me if not.

1:33.8 – Renault Clio Renaultsport 182 Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Clio)
1:33.9 – Holden Monaro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Monaro)2
1:34.5 – Ford Mondeo ST220 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mondeo)
1:34.9 – Ford Focus ST (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Focus)4
1:35.0 – Volvo S60 R (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_S60)
1:35.1 – Volkswagen Golf GTI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Golf)
1:35.2 – Ferrari 575M Maranello (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_575M)3,5
1:35.3 – Vauxhall Vectra VXR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall_Vectra)
1:35.6 – Alfa Romeo 147 GTA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_147)
1:35.6 – Lotus Elise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Elise)2
1:36.2 – Aston Martin V12 Vanquish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Martin_Vanquish)3,5
1:36.2 – Renaultsport Clio V6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Clio)3
1:36.5 – Honda Civic Type-R (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic)As for reliability, considering everything is auto this and auto that, issues are bound to arise. But in reality you are only ever going to hear about the things that go wrong, never what goes right. There are plenty of Clios out there that never give any problems *touch wood*

As a complete product the Clio stands out. It's pretty hard not to with the standard Xenon's beaming in your eyes ;) And with Renault doing as well as they are doing in the F1 (yes, yes...button won the last race) the credibility of the engineering that goes into these cars is without question. And the fact that there aren't that many Clio's around gives it a cult status.

I don't know where you got the lap times, but they were wrong.

check this out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV5gcN_ePBQ&mode=related&search= (javascript:ol('http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV5gcN_ePBQ&mode=related&search=');)

The Top gear show itself...
Civic Type R clocking 1.32.8
Golf GTI clocking 1.33.7

There's another video of Tiff driving the clio and EP3 civic in a short track on Fifth gear. It clearly shows that the EP3 has better dynamics than the clio...

I do like the clio too, but saying that it's faster than a Type R point to point anytime is just not true...The lap times don't lie, being in Wakefield so many times with really good drivers behind the wheel of the clio 182 (even with semi slicks tyres), I really haven't seen anyone clocking any time quicker than 1.14.15 (this is my street tyres fitted stock DC2R's lap time)
The clio driver, a frd of mine, found that the Type R goes harder in the corner too, he also owns a DC2R before.

Just go to the track where you can drive 100% to test it properly.

[aaronng]

I don't know where you got the lap times, but they were wrong.

check this out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV5gcN_ePBQ&mode=related&search= (javascript:ol('http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV5gcN_ePBQ&mode=related&search=');)

The Top gear show itself...
Civic Type R clocking 1.32.8
Golf GTI clocking 1.33.7

There's another video of Tiff driving the clio and EP3 civic in a short track on Fifth gear. It clearly shows that the EP3 has better dynamics than the clio...

I do like the clio too, but saying that it's faster than a Type R point to point anytime is just not true...The lap times don't lie, being in Wakefield so many times with really good drivers behind the wheel of the clio 182 (even with semi slicks tyres), I really haven't seen anyone clocking any time quicker than 1.14.15 (this is my street tyres fitted stock DC2R's lap time)
The clio driver, a frd of mine, found that the Type R goes harder in the corner too, he also owns a DC2R before.

Just go to the track where you can drive 100% to test it properly.
Top gear's time for the CTR was 1:36.5. The Stig drove it. I wonder why the time is different on the hot hatch time board. http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonbbc2/laptimes/thestig/

[Felix]

Top gear's time for the CTR was 1:36.5. The Stig drove it. I wonder why the time is different on the hot hatch time board. http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonbbc2/laptimes/thestig/

sorry to go abit off topic, but did anyone notice how an RX8 is only .2 of a second slower then the NSX-R ??? hmmmm

[[ricer]]

clio sport > itr

[berniebern]

sorry to go abit off topic, but did anyone notice how an RX8 is only .2 of a second slower then the NSX-R ??? hmmmm

The RX8 is like a woman...tempremental. Wheels magazine tested it and on one day it did 0-100 in one time and on the next day did it in a completely different time

[berniebern]

I challenge any ITR drivers to join the ozrenault boys on their next drive day :)

[berniebern]

I don't know where you got the lap times, but they were wrong.

check this out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV5gcN_ePBQ&mode=related&search= (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:ol%28%27http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV5gcN_ePBQ&mode=related&search=%27%29;)

The Top gear show itself...
Civic Type R clocking 1.32.8
Golf GTI clocking 1.33.7

There's another video of Tiff driving the clio and EP3 civic in a short track on Fifth gear. It clearly shows that the EP3 has better dynamics than the clio...





5th gear use a different track. Prob less corners :p

[DOHCVTEC]

I challenge any ITR drivers to join the ozrenault boys on their next drive day :)

That would be nice...I would like to see some stock clio 182 getting faster than 1.14.15 in wakefield

[dank]

From the lights I loose 1st and 2nd gear to the Clio by 1 carlength or so. When 3rd gear kicks in I pull back with avengence. From a roll coming up from behind I am all over it's ass. I drive a DC5R BTW.

The Clio has great low end torque compared to the Type R's, no doubts. But that thing is one of the ugliest mofo's on the street. The built quality is quite crap, the seating position is cramped and the back seats are only for extra small sized midgits.

I can't comment on the build quality as I have only had my Clio for 2 months, but I can say that the back seat fits me fine (I'm 5'6) when I sat behind a friend of mine (she's about 6').

Granted, it's not a limo, but my knees were not hard up against the driver's seat either :)

As for the driving experience - I wouldn't know what the ITR is like cos I haven't driven one, but I hope to do a swap with someone I know who has a DC2R to see what it's like; I am sure they are nice cars!


it's usually the guys who are not keen on the Clio's looks, but chicks dig it and that's all that matters ;)

[Zilli]

I challenge any ITR drivers to join the ozrenault boys on their next drive day :)


not to make it a mines better than yours day, but this would be a good day out i reckon, 2 awesome handling cars out there having fun

[destrukshn]

clio sp's ain't got shit on the ITR, i work with sp's, and the r's.
lol.

[garett]

my mate has a clio sport cup 182 and used to own a dc2r

the clio kicks the R on the straight and on the track. especially on he track,
they define gravity. but french cars are shite balls with problems so i would still rather save money and have a dc2r

[Da1nONLY]

the clio kicks the R on the straight

Don't think so..... ;)

[ginganggooly]

I'm yet to see anyone run a frog car at the strip.
Anyone here seen one pull a time yet?

[justinfox]

I can't believe I read all of that, it's absolutely INSANE that many of you are not speaking from 1st hand experience, but instead, speaking from having read something, or heard something, or playing GT4.

[JDC5R]

It doenst really matter LOL justin.

Driven both,

two factors

1. The clio engine sounds like a tractor engine, there is no passion just mundaness
2. The gear shift comes from a bus

Clio is most likely a better car for daily *untill the exhuast falls off, dont laugh it has, many times*, but hey, if u like daily cars get a corolla.

[justinfox]

if u like daily cars get a corolla.

Or a Civic!!! *ducks*

[garett]

i can organise a clio cup to race a teg>??

any challenges??

[destrukshn]

not being biased, lol, but me and someone else has lined up a clio sp and a dc2r, clio sp gets the head start for about half of first gear, then when vtec engages, and then goes into second, the clio sp, has dropped back, and the dc2r is infront, and is still pulling away from the clio sp.

[justinfox]

Bah what the hell. I'll chuck in my bit as well. I am sure the Clio Sport/Cup is a car that handles well, and hey it's fast too but I don't really care much for the specs, or what it can do, it still looks damn ugly to me, so damn ugly. Like designer A did one bit, then designer B did the next bit, and in the end they joined it all up together. It's not exactly an object of desire for me. I don't perv on them on the streets, they look like silly cars and make the drivers look even more silly in their little cars.

The Type-R on the other hand has history, it's legendary. It's not exactly a "hot hatch", it's a front wheel drive sports car.

Oranges to Apples, why are we even comparing them? I have nothing against Clio's or Clio drivers. In the end of the day it's just not the car for me.

[RCS 20L]

You are comparing cars in different era's......... ONes euroDm and d other is JDm..... In Sep EVO mag the best front wheeler of all time is the DC2R... COming second is the Clio cup... well thier you go...... both excellent vehicles in thier own origin>>>>
For me owning a CLio, i can say its one of the most torquiest thing on the road........ As i say to my Honda accociates.... ""its all torque no action""!!!!

[air23box]

The Clio is known as a Vtec killer which mean only the EK 1.6 classes and the DC non type R class......the design is not for track or race use.....compare the both the DC5R and DC2R with LSD as stock there is no way a clio can beat an R on the track.......As if both are driven by the same guy.....the seat on the clio is comfortable as a daily but if for track....you are going to slide everywhere in the car.....the gear stick is too short and hard to reach....but think of all the lux option you can get like senser wiper......trip computer which can tell you how many K's you can travel with how much fuel you have.....thats a good daily......but if you are more of a track person.....they are all useless for you......thats my 2 cents...

[Hullabaloo]

I agree with the above two posts.
clio 182 cup - (+'s) very very kart like with loads of torque down low. lots of fun to drive at low speed and around every corner. cheaper (-'s) possible lack of build quality, styling no wear near as nice as the integra

which is faster? depends on driver. So, own an integra and wanna chop clio's? improve your driving. Regardless of what car you buy/own i'd still give you a thumbs up and say 'great car' to you. :)

[Cr@ckerJ@ck]

Clio looks gay imho....

TypeR's look sexy and thats all that matters to me :)

[Malenic1981]

justinfox this is what I wrote


Well I drove a clio sport cup (my cuz worked as salesman for holden/renault) and I had few test runs with that car, I think it's ok but just too agly and too small (it's size of jazz or getz) and some people say it's cheap but in my opinion it's not, remember you are not getting sports coupe (like integra) you are getting small hachback that has entery price of under $20000, so that's extra $15000 while integra is completly different story.

Ok back to driving, car is very responsive, first and second gear is great but once it hits third it lacks power, starts slowing down, cornering is simular to Type R, I would not say better but about the same, brakes are great as thay are made by brambo so that's what you expect from them, probably a bit better than R. I had a race with my cuz, I was in my DC2R and was in clio, first two gears he was in front, once I hit third he was gonne, so I wouldn't even say that clio is better in stright line, maybe I could say thay are about the same with slight advantage to R.

So my final concusion is that Type R and Clio are very simular performers but R has better looks and is in class of sport coupes while clio is small buffed up hach that in my opinon is overprised, you put few more $$$$ in and you get yourself Megan Sport (turbo), ITR, WRX and so on.

this is not from what I read or GT4 so yeah, and people just remember it's a clio, entery level is under $20000, and if you want bang for buck that VW polo GTI is the winner, 1.8 turbo for $26000, add for the price difference you can get stage 2 tune which is around 160+KW with VW warranty included.

[Vinnie]

before u do sum work on it tho the polo gti is pretty disapponting. well, on paper neway there isnt a whole lot of 'bang'. a turbo doesent automatically make it good/fast, it jus improves it... but in the end it all comes down to personal preference neway :)

[_CiVIC_]

i wanted a clio sport b4 the type S... but after driving both... the type S done it for me.. interior is much nicer and friendlier on the eyes.. i dunno most of these kind of European cars like "peugeot, renault, saab, volvo.." have pretty ordinary interiors...

[Mattski_VTIR]

i wanted a clio sport b4 the type S... but after driving both... the type S done it for me.. interior is much nicer and friendlier on the eyes.. i dunno most of these kind of European cars like "peugeot, renault, saab, volvo.." have pretty ordinary interiors...

I also test drove the Clio before deciding on the type S. Found the Clio a little small but didn't mind the styling. It was the high revving power band of the K20 and rifle like gear box that made the honda the clear winner in my eyes. Something about the vtec power band i just found more exciting.

[zuihoujueding]

clio is utterly ugly! its just my view.

[NissTrust]

ITR's are great, but Clios are fantastic :)
I beleive the www.ozrenaultsport.com/forum/ guys would also agree :)

[destrukshn]

that's a biased opinion, there only there because they love thier renaults to diss em.
lol.
same as here.
i'm only here becuase i drive a honda, hondas are slow.
lol.

[aaronng]

WTF... the Clio Sport has a 22mm rear sway, while the Cup has a 24mm. That's overkill and yet their handling is not superb..............

[destrukshn]

it's just not about swaybars now.
=p
lol.

[ginganggooly]

ITR's are great, but Clios are fantastic :)
I beleive the www.ozrenaultsport.com/forum/ (http://www.ozrenaultsport.com/forum/) guys would also agree :)

BWAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Thanks for the link mate. That site is solid fark'n 24 carat gold. Here I was thinking Ozhonda residents were living in their own little world. These Renault fanboys look to be a degree or two worse.

Just type Integra/Civic/Honda into their search. :D

[aaronng]

BWAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Thanks for the link mate. That site is solid fark'n 24 carat gold. Here I was thinking Ozhonda residents were living in their own little world. These Renault fanboys look to be a degree or two worse.

Just type Integra/Civic/Honda into their search. :D

They linked this thread on their forums waaaaay before we found their forum.

[skywings]

I'm in the market for a new (used) car and have considered the ITR, cliosport, 206gti, polo gti etc. I was really impressed with the clio's performance, but it's butt ugly and I've got friends who don't recommend French cars. The new clio v6 is beautiful (watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnHjPyzJRMA ) but not practical (and $$), and the new polo gti looks great too, but I can't afford it!

So I've come back to the ITR (dc2). I think it suits my needs well enough; cabin noise doesn't bother me. Plus, I feel more connected with the road and car if it speaks to me. Driving my mom's Camry makes me feel airsick because sitting in it reminds me of flying in a plane.

sky

[NissTrust]

Well i'm biased as i have owned both a honda and now a cliosport 172 ha :)
and driven a few DC2R's, its just horses for courses, there is always space in my garage for a ITR as they are pure japanese honda brilliance. But bang for buck on the used car market you cant go past these clio sports, just take one for a test drive and see for yourself. And the looks well...umm i like the way they look, beauty is in the eye of the beholder :)

Great thread tho... keep the rivalry and *friendship* alive between JDM and EDM in my opinion, and *three cheers* to FF hot hatches all round, as they all bring a smile to our faces when faced with a twisting piece of blacktop :)

[ginganggooly]

I'm probably alone here, i think the clio looks better than the integra... i've always preffered the look of a tiny hatch with chunky wheels, tiny overhangs and that fat stance.

[IAMVTEC]

There is no comparison, the Clio is a joke. I think its even smaller than a Jazz. When its that small who cares how fast it goes.

[aaronng]

There is no comparison, the Clio is a joke. I think its even smaller than a Jazz. When its that small who cares how fast it goes.
No it's not a joke. Even a Ferrari has less interior space than a Jazz. Is it a joke?

A Garaiya is smaller than most cars, is it a joke?

[IAMVTEC]

Ah I think its different, those are sports coupes. I just dont like hatches at all. Theyre cute style makes me think theyre for girls.

[aaronng]

Ah I think its different, those are sports coupes. I just dont like hatches at all. Theyre cute style makes me think theyre for girls.
Awww... I think the Civic VTi is cute too.

But I don't think girls would want a Clio. So far all of those I know don't like the froggy look.

[IAMVTEC]

haha. Its not cute to me. The headlights actually look quite mean.

[destrukshn]

well your vti, would get smashed by a cute car.. lol.

[ginganggooly]

Ah I think its different, those are sports coupes. I just dont like hatches at all. Theyre cute style makes me think theyre for girls.

i've heard a few v8 drivers say the same thing about anything that has 4 cylinders, anything that is fwd and anything that is japanese... you can see what i'm getting at ;)

[destrukshn]

i've heard a few v8 drivers say the same thing about anything that has 4 cylinders, anything that is fwd and anything that is japanese... you can see what i'm getting at ;)
that's what they all say.
lol.
until a jap 4 banger k20 just gives them a nasty suprise.
then they say, i let him win or something along the lines of that.
lol.

[clokx]

the cilo looks like a echo..

but way faster than a vti-r

[ginganggooly]

but way faster than a vti-r

Ah, no.

[ginganggooly]

that's what they all say.
lol.
until a jap 4 banger k20 just gives them a nasty suprise.
then they say, i let him win or something along the lines of that.
lol.


the difference is that they do it with an auto tranny, aircon, a full interior, street tyres and 6krpm :)
credit where credit is due...

[aaronng]

Ah, no.

And why not?

[destrukshn]

the difference is that they do it with an auto tranny, aircon, a full interior, street tyres and 6krpm :)
credit where credit is due...
don't get me wrong, i love v8's.
lol.
i'm not just a 4 banger man.
i'd pick a ford gtp, hsv gto, even a 351 xy gt over a type r.
torque is so much better.

[ginganggooly]

And why not?

A certain ozhonda VTi-R ran a 14.3 @ 96mph- with stock internals. To qualify as "way faster" i'd be expecting a similarly spec'd clio to run 14.000 or better.
Are you aware of some respectably quick-ish Clio's that i'm not?

[ginganggooly]

i'd pick a forg gtp, hsv gto, even a 351 xy gt over a type r.
torque is so much better.

:thumbsup:

[aaronng]

A certain ozhonda VTi-R ran a 14.3 @ 96mph- with stock internals. To qualify as "way faster" i'd be expecting a similarly spec'd clio to run 14.000 or better.
Are you aware of some respectably quick-ish Clio's that i'm not?

Go and ask the renault forums. VTi-R has a power to weight of 9.44 kg/kW, while the Clio Sport 182 has 8.32 kg/kW. Put that driver into a Clio Sport and watch him beat 14.3s.

Edit: If you meant DC2 VTi-R, then that has 9.41 kg/kW. Still the same result.

[ginganggooly]

Go and ask the renault forums. VTi-R has a power to weight of 9.44 kg/kW, while the Clio Sport 182 has 8.32 kg/kW. Put that driver into a Clio Sport and watch him beat 14.3s.


Ah how delightful, so the moderators are endorsing magazine racing now?
Onya. :thumbsup:

You can quote figures from the back of magazines all you want me old china, but unless you've a timeslip to confirm that the Clio does indeed run "way faster" than the DC2, you're really not proving your point. Don't you think? :angel:

[destrukshn]

but it's not all about power to weight ratio.
it's how fast it can make the power, how much torque they have, the gear rations.
but power to weight ration does count.
lol.

[xzbit]

There are still a lot of differences betweent the two cars. I personally haven't driven a clio, but there is a difference in terms of technological advancement, considering the DC2R is between 5-7 years old now. Both are good cars in their own respect! But since this a honda forum and I drive a
DC2R! I say the DC2R!

Of course the majority here are going to be putting the Type R ahead of the Clio!

Just my 2c's!

[aaronng]

Ah how delightful, so the moderators are endorsing magazine racing now?
Onya. :thumbsup:

You can quote figures from the back of magazines all you want me old china, but unless you've a timeslip to confirm that the Clio does indeed run "way faster" than the DC2, you're really not proving your point. Don't you think? :angel:

LOL, that's why I said go ask the renault forms. I haven't been to the drags in a clio sport. The most that I can do is estimate the clio vs the VTi-R.

BTW, got a question. Has anyone else run anything close to 14.3 in a stock VTi-R before?

[ginganggooly]

LOL, that's why I said go ask the renault forms. I haven't been to the drags in a clio sport. The most that I can do is estimate the clio vs the VTi-R.

BTW, got a question. Has anyone else run anything close to 14.3 in a stock VTi-R before?


14.3 @ 96mph- with stock internals.
note: stock internals, not stock vti-r.
there are a few stockers (cat back, 17's etc) that have run high 14's.

[IAMVTEC]

i've heard a few v8 drivers say the same thing about anything that has 4 cylinders, anything that is fwd and anything that is japanese... you can see what i'm getting at ;)

Those type of v8 drivers, I dont want to know them and I really dont care what they think.

[ginganggooly]

Those type of v8 drivers, I dont want to know them and I really dont care what they think.

I'm sure that sentiment is mutual.

[IAMVTEC]

I'm sure that sentiment is mutual.

Thats great. Exactly how I want it.

[ginganggooly]

Always encouraging to see that mutual ignorance is still alive and kicking. :)

[NissTrust]

Here is a nice little testimonial on the Clio and ITR:
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=163694&highlight=wolf

[superR]

one of my mates has a black cleo sport , the GTR cup edition with silver GT stripes and all ..... it goes pretty well but my DC2 ITR always beats it in a strait line ....... They are a good little package but just not as good as the DC2R

[midnightdood]

The brand image of a renault and the clio isnt something i want to be associated with... and secondly - "fernando alonso". Sportsmanship 101.

It might be / might not be faster / quicker / corner harder - i dont care. But to be associated with that kind of corporate and sporting image is just (for me) too much to ask.

In the key of the v8 boys - i'd rather push a toyota (AW11 / AE86) than drive a renault clio.

Its an old thread - but my 2c.