B18c, b18c type r or kswap?

[Dyln.bxtr]

Currently have a 1998 civic ek
Tempted to put a b18cr into it just for the fact that they are type r. However I have read that the k's have potential for a much higher hp.
I'm looking for an engine that I can push to at least 3-400 N/A
Would prefer the b18. Is it possible for it to have that much power??

Regards

[EGVTi]

GL getting 3-400 hp/kw N/A because your better of boosting your d engine then spending thousands of $$$.

[Daveho1]

so i want to get 1000hp out of this otoman...honestly civics never have been about big power dyno monsters, they are about good power to wieght and and awsome handling, its not a clubsport champ, there are exceptions obviously but...

[Vvvtec]

Whats your budget?

[stndrd]

As mentioned above, what is your budget and do you plan on getting the car engineered?

Honestly 130kw at the wheels is a handful to deal with on the street if your not careful, yet alone 200kw.

Best way to go about it dollar-hp wise is forced induction, but if you love n/a, cant beat a b20/vtec or k20/k24 frank

[curtis265]

It's all about budget dude. A K series will be significantly more expensive

[Dyln.bxtr]

Budget is not an issue. Just the more it costs means more saving. In all honesty I want to take the b18cr. Bore and stroke it with sleeves. Upgrade the internal pistons, cam shafts.
And no. Can't boost the d16y4. Unfortunately the internals are too weak to handle anything more than 7 or 8 psi. But unfeotunately not many turbos can handle such low psi.
So an engine swap is a must for decent hp. Combined with the fact that I'm gonna need to rebuild my trans due to bad bearings. Cheaper to do a swap of the tranny, as well as the fact I can put a nice LSD in ;) May as well do the engine while at it.
So you reckon to just do a k swap and build that? Is there anychance of 300 out of a b18? They're standard 194 :/
This will definitely be a long build.
I want the best block that can stand and produce some nice horse power. I'm not worried about what the civic is designed for. Thats another thread.
I want to talk engines :)

[Dyln.bxtr]

Oh and yes. Engineers will be involved. However I want to do all the research rather than just putting it all in their hands

[DakDak]

No amount of money is going to get you 300-400kw out of a B or K series N/A

[tripleuse]

B18c with work done + tune will get around the same power as a kswap with bolt ons and tune
if you add up the price of buying a b18c and rebuilding the engine, Parts for the engine, Run in tunes, and considering it wont be as reliable as a stock k series and is a 13+ year old engine/ design. I personally think it would be around the same money as a kswap.
OR
kseries either do the swap yourself which would cost around 8-15k depending what mods you want to do for a basic setup. Or paying someone 15k for a basic setup(but less headaches.) Basic set up should set you anywhere from 135 to 145kwatw, but also more reliable and can be driven daily. Plus if you want to further build the car you could easily get it to 150kw with a few better mods. A basic kswap that i would consider would be a stock k24, 2.5 in exhaust+ headers, tune, PRC intake, aftermarket intake and 6 spd euro gearbox. That should be seeing a 135kwatw mark and should only cost 4k for the motor setup Plus the extras to put it in the car another 4k for misc parts you should be sitting at 8-9k for the swap given you do it yourself. People overthink kswaps. They really can be cheap. If your looking to get 300kw you would have to go boost. Atleast need 30k.

[Dyln.bxtr]

Thanks for the help dude.
Just read about some fellas down in Sydney pushing out 400hp with boost in a k24. Would you be able to get 300hp (200kw) n/a if the same set up? I actually think they are on here somewhere.
This is the list I have got so far.

Engine - b18cr/k20a
Short rammed cold air intake
Head studs
Pistons.
Rockers.
Cam.
Sleeved.
stand alone fuel management.
Engine mounts.
Intake manifold.
Exhaust manifold.
Fuel pump
Fuel pressure regulator
Fuel filter
Fuel rail
Fuel injectors.
Spark plugs and leads
Distributor.
70mm throttle body
Map sensors
Radiator.
Fan.
S80 LSD transmission. 98 spec
Or 6 speed LSD trans
Short shifter.

[EKVTIR-T]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?171586-BYP-Racing-206kw-K20-K24-Engine-package&p=3641604#post3641604 :thumbsup:

[tripleuse]

Thanks for the help dude.
Just read about some fellas down in Sydney pushing out 400hp with boost in a k24. Would you be able to get 300hp (200kw) n/a if the same set up? I actually think they are on here somewhere.
This is the list I have got so far.

Engine - b18cr/k20a
Short rammed cold air intake
Head studs
Pistons.
Rockers.
Cam.
Sleeved.
stand alone fuel management.
Engine mounts.
Intake manifold.
Exhaust manifold.
Fuel pump
Fuel pressure regulator
Fuel filter
Fuel rail
Fuel injectors.
Spark plugs and leads
Distributor.
70mm throttle body
Map sensors
Radiator.
Fan.
S80 LSD transmission. 98 spec
Or 6 speed LSD trans
Short shifter.

are you looking for a daily/occasional track or a track/weekend warrior

IF you are looking for a daily id just buy a k24 bone stock and rotrex low boost it you would reliably see 200kw.
The main bits would be:
Bone k24
good set of headers
3" exhaust
RBC intake bored to 70 mm
70mm throttle body
rotrex
6 speed itr box
decent clutch setup
tune
Thats just a basic setup for street. It will start to get very pricey if you want to set it up for circuit however.
easy 200kw. And if the engine blows (unlikely). It will cost you another 1k to replace? definitely a winner.

Personally i would go F/I for the reliability of driving it everyday.

[Benson]

We've built K20/K24 All motor combination that make over 300hp at the crank. 400hp is achievable and has been done many times before. If you have the budget to do it, then why not.

Our current engine in the drag car produces over 205kw at the front wheels with a basic combination. I've also got another K25 in an Ek9 that will make 215kw once its all dialed in. K-series is the only way to go! Spend it once, spend it right and don't look back with regrets

Remember when building a car with all that power, other aspects of the car will need to be address. Gearing is critical, suspension set-up, brakes etc etc

[Dyln.bxtr]

I've actually been reading a lot of their stuff. They are killing the import scene.
Thanks for linking me their engine. Never thought of reading the sale threads
206kw is an absolute machine

[Dyln.bxtr]

Well that's awkward was reading the first page still.
Benson yours are absolute machines. Is it aight if I just throw you questions every now and then on what would ultimately be the best set up.
Most definitely leaning towards a k swap. Just saw that yours is a mini me head swap. Never really thought about it on the k's only the d's. Is there much gain out of it??
And like you said spend once spend right.
The suspension is actually the first upgrade I plan to do.
I've been researching and started a thread on people's tips and ideas.
I have an apprenticeship trial tomorrow. So hopefully the finances start coming in and the build can get underway. ( and the saving ) -.-

[amant02]

I would start wit a car with the K already in there. More modern car..more features etc etc. Specially if its daily. Then super charge it. That's my plan when i get my license back in a months time. I personally think the 90's honda's interior is getting really outdated for what you pay and nearly every single one has been trashed/crashed by a P plater and the ones that havn't been asking price is just as much as the newer model of the same car. FN2R 2007 Model* + Rotex Supercharger + Tune. Nice simple all under 30k as well. Being a new car it will have less K's. Also will make for a great sleeper for them bogan V8's in my area.

[Dyln.bxtr]

In all honesty. I want to keep my ek. I actually really like the appearance of the car. There isn't much better then a nice little black hatch.
But sleeper is exactly what I am looking to do. No appearance mods. Just performance and handling/safety.

[integraR]

In all honesty. I want to keep my ek. I actually really like the appearance of the car. There isn't much better then a nice little black hatch.
But sleeper is exactly what I am looking to do. No appearance mods. Just performance and handling/safety.

you can keep the ek for daily duties and buy another car more 'sports' orientated for weekend and performance

[Dyln.bxtr]

My other car is a ute for my apprenticeship. Not having three cars sorry.
But it is decided. K swap it is

[Vvvtec]

K24 paired to a DC5R Transmission is amazing. I just finished my own swap and I can tell you its a great combo.

[stndrd]

If you are looking into a k swap in the near future, i am currently stripping a k24a3 that will be rebuilt to your exact requirements here:

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3652924

I am also able to source all required parts from a range of manufactures to suit a wide budget range

[Dyln.bxtr]

Don't really have the funds right now sorry mate. Gotta do some saving and a bit more research first before I am really ready to start the build :/

[Vvvtec]

Unlimited budget ftw.

Im in brissy too, i can take you for a ride lol, you wont look back haha

[Dyln.bxtr]

Brissy. Where would you rather be? Haha
Yeah sounds sick. What ya cruising??

[Vvvtec]

K24 dc2 man

[Dyln.bxtr]

Nice. What's in?

[Dyln.bxtr]

What's the difference between the dc2 and 5

[EKVTIR-T]

What's the difference between the dc2 and 5
the chassis,body,driveline interior,dash,wheels etc. etc.

[Vvvtec]

Wuuut


Nice. What's in?


K24 dc2 man

[djkng]

"You want a piece of ass, go to Hollywood Boulevard. You want an adrenaline rush that'll be two large".

As Daveho1 mentioned, it's not a clubsport.

[Vvvtec]

Fuking lol @ clubsport

[Dyln.bxtr]

i meant what is the engine in. what car?
or where you saying the k24 is in a dc2? :s
as for the difference i meant drive line and transmision difference. but dont worry "use the search" is the typical response isnt it?

[Vvvtec]

i meant what is the engine in. what car?
or where you saying the k24 is in a dc2? :s
as for the difference i meant drive line and transmision difference. but dont worry "use the search" is the typical response isnt it?

Yes, i have a k24 in my dc2

Dc2 comes with b18

Dc5 comes with k20

[EKVTIR-T]

Fuking lol @ clubsport
read my mind


since when is a POS clubby used as yardstick?

[Vvvtec]

V8 mate

Superior to anything

[Dyln.bxtr]

V8 mate

Superior to anything

depends upon what v8 and any work?
saw a pretty nice little twin turbo maloo ;)

doesnt mean we cant show them what a well built jdm can do though

[Vvvtec]

Haha i was being sarcastic man

[Dyln.bxtr]

oh..... should have realised
Okay back on topic.
kseries frankenstein people or simple k24??

[cihanvtec]

hmm.. this is a hard one.. maybe sell your car an get a nissan? waste of money man!

[Killa From Manila]

Go to JHH racing in brissy and ask for a k26 or something. Hope you're an Eba apprentice with no expenses

[infurNOS]

hmm.. this is a hard one.. maybe sell your car an get a nissan? waste of money man!

Why are you on this forum if you keep telling people to 'buy a rwd nissan' ?

[cihanvtec]

coz ive had many hondas? and still own one?

[Super-DA9]

Before you start deciding that you want a 300-400HP engine, I think you need to start reading and learning about things like compression and what types of cam/intake/exhausts complement it.

I noticed that in your list earlier you had only said "Pistons. Rockers. Cam." but nothing specific.

What compression? What kind of cams? not "Cam", there are two of them. Why would you need to replace the rocker arms??

It's easy enough to say I'm gonna do all this and it should grant me 300HP, but in reality this kind of thing will not be easily achieved in an N/A four cylinder without each piece complementing the next. It's important to understand what you are using and WHY.

However, in regards to what engine you should start off with, I agree with Vvvtec. K24 is definitely your best shot at this. Having the big displacement will be excellent for big power.

[tripleuse]

But sleeper is exactly what I am looking to do. No appearance mods. Just performance and handling/safety.

the best way to go.


oh..... should have realised
Okay back on topic.
kseries frankenstein people or simple k24??

simple k24 IMO and then if you dont like the power just upgrade to rotrex. Whats the point of spending big bucks on n/a for such little power??

i would of also suggest instead of kswaping maybe to throw a k24 in a dc5 base. If your after something a bit more modern, and stil on a budget Plus less headaches as its pretty straight forward( no need for changing mounts, ****ing around with wiring).

[newpaddy3]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/25484008.jpg

This thread can't be serious.

[DC2-PWR]

This thread can't be serious.

It's the "I want to have the best fooly sik max power engine" thread

[newpaddy3]

It's the "I want to have the best fooly sik max power engine" thread

400hp NA B18C mate.

Needs a rebuild every time you take it for a drive.

[Super-DA9]

400hp NA B18C mate.

Needs a rebuild every time you take it for a drive.

This.

You will absolutely not have even the slightest hope of achieving this on a B series N/A.

Even K series N/A will not be easy to rake in 300HP.

[Chr1s]

K series NA can rake in 300hp easily, people are already sitting on the 400hp fence in the states. B series 300hp has been done before also, BUT.....................

MASSIVE BUT, it's not an easy task and needs the right combination of parts, I don't think there is any aftermarket shit out there that will always yield x amount of power, there is always custom headwork involved that is dependant on who does it. One person in this country was doing his own CNC heads and managed to get the right amount of power out of them. Even then he was still improving/working on it to keep chasing that goal, which is the same for everyone.

K series there is combinations off the shelf that will get you 300hp. 215kw has been done in this country before from an all motor k series, many years ago.

[infurNOS]

K series there is combinations off the shelf that will get you 300hp. 215kw has been done in this country before from an all motor k series, many years ago.

BYP has 206kw at the wheels K series NA

[Chr1s]

So? Like I said, it's not hard. I think they even did that using OEM components or something similar..?

[FAITHLESS]

Has OP actually driven or been in a 250hp Honda? They are awesome. I think you're just looking for numbers as opposed to a great driving experience. You're aiming for something you've never experienced. If you aren't building this car for the strip I recommend not going for 300-400kw. Start with a B or K swap and if you feel that's not enough, keep modifying. You will need boost eventually if you do. Don't start with such a high standard, because you miss out on the fun of building the car step by step.

If you just want power I would honestly recommend a Supra, GTR, or almost anything boosted from factory. When boosting an NA engine you generally sacrifice some reliability unless the builder is very experienced with that particular engine/car. You will also go through a shitload of money for a product that isn't that much better. Sorry to be a bit negative but that is the truth.

[Benson]

200kw on a K-series is a walk in the park these days especially with the aftermarket support and development of parts

[dougie_504]

Haven't read the whole thread.

Have you been in/driven a booster D16?
Been in/driven a B18C Civic?
Been in/driven a K-series Civic?

[Dyln.bxtr]

That's what I was planning to do. Slowly increase power step by step. Learn to handle and treat it with each step of power up.
As for whether I have been in a high power honda. Not a honda. But a very nice large 545 big block chevved ford coupe. Once you've been in something that goes 0-100 in as little time as it does. You get hooked. Bad.
However. As for the ecu swap and harness cut.
Would a stand alone fuel management work??

[FAITHLESS]

Yeah standalone fuel management is good and will work fine but with Honda's we generally go with Hondata which is a chipped factory ECU.

[kutso]

k24 franks are runnings 10's n/a in the states . dont listen to anyone if you have the dollars go k swap any day

[curtis265]

oh..... should have realised
Okay back on topic.
kseries frankenstein people or simple k24??

frank any day

[EKVTIR-T]

Did cihanvtec really get ban for saying "buy a nissan"?

That's kinda bs

[DreadAngel]

http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/24804341/130_0909_32_z+how_a_turbo_works+hks_t62r.jpg

Hook one of these up...

[GSi_PSi]

kid seems like a troll or some apprentice getting a bit carried away... some of my mates are apprentices and struggle to put petrol in their car due to their wages
let alone do a $15-20k 300hp K series build lol.

[Snoop_gee]

Op your in QLD ... why dont you get in contact with Ash.
White Eg with a k20. in QLD.

Sometimes all it takes is a passenger ride in a Kswap Honda to make the decisionFFinal .
.
Ash's civic/

http://s814.beta.photobucket.com/user/Quiksilverpro_asd_1/media/Testdrive2.mp4.html

[EG5]

If you have the budget just K swap it
If K swap is not enough then do K swap + boost
Do it once , do it right.

[infurNOS]

Did cihanvtec really get ban for saying "buy a nissan"?

That's kinda bs

No, He got banned for the lack of respect he has for the mods.

[newpaddy3]

CLOSED. OP please search the forum this topic has been covered many times before.