Question- Importing Honda CIVIC Type-R MUGEN RR

[gkB18Cr]

http://www.japan-partner.com/Auto/20734/Honda/CIVIC+Type-R/car-for-sale.html

If i am correct only 300 made?

And i have no idea if i would be able to Register this in Australia.

Yes the Price is ridiculous but i am just curious as i really don't have any idea when it comes to Importing and complying in Australia

Cheers

[fillit]

As the car has been commercially released in Australia (FD2), yes not R, it can only be brought in as a personal import. Which means you need proof of ownership for 12 months while overseas in order to bring it in and register it.

[DreadAngel]

What fillit said...

Because the car is newer than 88', it would have to be comply to either by SEVS or Personal Import. SEVS as above is ruled out because if the car is not unique it can't be imported. Because they share the same chassis and engine [K20A are all the same to them] it is not unique.

[gkB18Cr]

Thanks heaps Guys :)

That Sucks though.

[stndrd]

There is at least 2 in the country that i have seen in the last 18months so keep your eyes open

[Chernoby1]

There is at least 2 in the country that i have seen in the last 18months so keep your eyes open

mugen built or replica? Ive seen a replica but never seen a genuine one!

[stndrd]

Both mugen built and both went for around $60k

[lolmclol]

pics or it didn't happen

serious lol

[jprak]

pics or it didn't happen

serious lol

pretty sure he's talking about the one that was on sale 2yrs ago 55K i remember

[gkB18Cr]

http://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af292/G_kara/Untitled_zps195e6863.png

I had a bid for shits and gigs a few nights ago with a lower offer and they actually processed the order asking for confirmation.

Getting spammed now lol

[curtis265]

http://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af292/G_kara/Untitled_zps195e6863.png

I had a bid for shits and gigs a few nights ago with a lower offer and they actually processed the order asking for confirmation.

Getting spammed now lol

hope you don't get in trouble dude..

[gkB18Cr]

Nah you have to confirm it anyway. Didnt think i would win on the bid considering a offered below asking price

[dr ken]

To find out what cars are eligible for import you have to look at the raws list( http://www.raws.com.au/sevsregc.asp ).
Any car 20+ years old is clear for importation but if not you have to have owned it overseas for a year. To my knowledge the only good Honda that is approved for importing is the EP3 civic type R.

[DreadAngel]

Even if you win, you can't register it for street use, it would have to be track only :(

Also if you don't get someone to comply it [empty A/C gas, etc] then they can send the car back or impound it iirc?

[fillit]

sort of the scenarios with the wrx's and 22Bs, none were able to be ADR complied so all track only.

[Chernoby1]

The 22b wouldnt be that difficult to get put on the sevs list (different body, different engine + performance and magazine publication) but the fact is due to limited numbers, it doesnt make much business sense to go through the trouble of getting approved to do it and then importing 2-3 coz thats all thats left.

Same scenario with more mass produced cars but there is always an expection to the rule, ala the ferrari/lambo crowd.

[fillit]

The 22b wouldnt be that difficult to get put on the sevs list (different body, different engine + performance and magazine publication) but the fact is due to limited numbers, it doesnt make much business sense to go through the trouble of getting approved to do it and then importing 2-3 coz thats all thats left.

Same scenario with more mass produced cars but there is always an expection to the rule, ala the ferrari/lambo crowd.

would be the same case for the Mugen RR as it has limited production. FD2R might be a better option, however that doesn't fit into the Australian market (on Hondas behalf).

[Chernoby1]

would be the same case for the Mugen RR as it has limited production. FD2R might be a better option, however that doesn't fit into the Australian market (on Hondas behalf).

FD2R cant coz be sev'd as it has "same" body and engine as civic sport lol :(

[fillit]

FD2R cant coz be sev'd as it has "same" body and engine as civic sport lol :(

Same argument on the Mugen RR :P

[Chernoby1]

Time to convince honda to drop ALL sport models so we can get them in through engine/performance and magazine publication? =D
Seems easier than convincing them to bring the top end models themselves hahaha

[fillit]

Time to convince honda to drop ALL sport models so we can get them in through engine/performance and magazine publication? =D
Seems easier than convincing them to bring the top end models themselves hahaha

I hardly consider the CRZ being a "sports" car...

but sadly with their lineup, that is the "sportiest" car they have

[Chernoby1]

I meant model as in trim level; we all know that honda doesnt make any sports cars anymore :(

[DreadAngel]

It'll be difficult to ask Honda to part with the Civic considering its one of their mainstay globally...

[Chernoby1]

Leave the civic. Get rid of the civic sport. As long as it doesnt have a k20 tis all good!

[curtis265]

Leave the civic. Get rid of the civic sport. As long as it doesnt have a k20 tis all good!

lol, 'k20'.

The 9th gen has the r20... but there's no type R lol

[Chernoby1]

Im clueless bout newer cars period, but if it has the r20 thrn the type r can easily be put on sevs...

[DreadAngel]

You still have the chassis issue though and Honda Australia putting pressure on blocking it... :(

Just like how Nissan was with the R35 GT-R...

[curtis265]

Im clueless bout newer cars period, but if it has the r20 thrn the type r can easily be put on sevs...

true.

but what type R?

[Chernoby1]

Fd2r is 129ish kw/t so that can come in.

Mugen rr has even higher kw/t so no probs to put it on sevs.

Fn2r sold here so no go.

Ek9 sits at 124kw/t so is fine.

For all of the above, all you need is for honda to say "yes, we dont care if people import these old models"

My knowledge here is incredibly limited and am basing this off the sevs application form. Point 15 is all thats stopping the hondas coming in as far as I can see.


Edit:
Even if they got onto sevs list, finding someone who thinks it makes good business sense to go through the hassle of getting compliancing approval is a whole different story.

[DreadAngel]

Yup, caus eto get Compliance approval means you have to use at least one FD2R for all the safety and emission compliance work. So you have to crash a perfectly nice FD2R :(

It's not just the 15pts you have to satisfy, otherwise Toyota JZX90/100/110 would've come through really easily. Thank them for adding politics to the bullshit mix there...

This was for the EP3R:


Reasons for Decision

Entry No.: 257/01

Criteria - Description - Criteria met
Appearance - Different Silhouette to popular class of vehicles in category MA - No
Unusual Design Features - Different engine type DOHC I-VTEC - No
Performance - K20A.G DOHC I-VTEC Engine – 122kw/tonne - Yes
Specialist Publications - Featured in Specialist Publications eg Auto Express (July 2001) & Autocar (June 2003) - Yes

[Chernoby1]

Yup, caus eto get Compliance approval means you have to use at least one FD2R for all the safety and emission compliance work. So you have to crash a perfectly nice FD2R :(

It's not just the 15pts you have to satisfy, otherwise Toyota JZX90/100/110 would've come through really easily. Thank them for adding politics to the bullshit mix there...

This was for the EP3R:

As far as i was aware, you dont actually NEED to crash it, just prove it meets the ADR's. I know of 3 cars that were used as the compliance 'bench' and all three are still rego'd lol (y34 cedric, fuga and the first GTR that came to aus before nissan brang them in)

by point 15 i meant point 15 in this:
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/sevs/pdf/SEVS_Form_2012.pdf


8. Is the vehicle Make currently supplied to the Australian market in the same Vehicle Category in full volume?
Yes Go to question 9
No Attach documentary evidence. Vehicles are eligible
subject to verification. Go to question 20.






9. Are the vehicles to be supplied used?
Yes Go to question 10
No Attach documentary evidence. Go to question 12




10. Has this vehicle Make-Model been supplied to a market (anywhere in the world) at least 18 months ago?
Yes Which country? Attach documentary evidence. Go to question 12
No Go to question 11




11. Has the original manufacturer advised the Administrator that it does not plan to supply the vehicle Model new under a full volume approval in Australia?

Yes Go to question 12
No VEHICLE IS NOT ELIGIBLE- 2 -

This is a bit iffy but im sure honda has no plans to supply NEW fd2's anymore. Proving it might not be so easy.



12. Is this vehicle intended for first supply to the market in Australia as a ‘campervan’ (see Circular 0-4-12) and is either a Model
not supplied in full volume in Australia, or a variant not supplied in full volume in Australia of a Model that is supplied in full
volume in Australia?
Yes Go to question 16
No Go to question 13




13. Has the vehicle Model been supplied in full volume to the Australian market?
Yes Go to question 14
No Go to question 16




14. Does this vehicle Make-Model have a build date at least one year after the build date of the last vehicle supplied to the
Australian market in full volume?
Yes Attach documentary evidence. Go to question 16
No Go to question 15
Note: Vehicles marketed under different names (badge engineering) are considered to be the same Model for eligibility purposes.




15. Has the full volume compliance plate holder(s) advised the Administrator that it agrees for the one year period to be waived?
Yes Go to question 16
No VEHICLE IS NOT ELIGIBLE
Need to get honda to say it doesnt care if you import old models that it has no intention of bringing in themselves (as per point 11). Someone just needs to convince honda that letting peeps import them would be GOOD for honda without them having to pay for it. Why is it good? Coz the damned fd2r will sure as hell get people interested in hondas again. Sure the majority of people have no intention of actually BUYING one, but knowing that honda makes these sporty things will srpuce up hondas image epically (IMO)


And a somewhat relevant rant:
Back in 1997 toyota aus had a choice. They could either manufacture and sell the jzx100 here OR they could replicate the 'vienta' as seen in the US. They chose to do the vienta as it required much less retooling. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU>
Just imagine if the jzx100 was as common here as the higher end camry, ****ing australia would be dori dori central with parts cheap as ass and 1jz's swapped into bloody everything. Toyota Aus, i am dissapoint. Honda aus, i am also dissapoint. Nissan aus has been disappointing for ages. Even suzuki has been fail (And i love them little ****ers, JUST LET ME BUY A KEI CAR DAMNIT). Why do all the bigger players in aus have to suck and be run by douchey businessmen rather than you know, people who actually care about cars. LE SIGHS /endrant.

[curtis265]

Fd2r is 129ish kw/t so that can come in.

Mugen rr has even higher kw/t so no probs to put it on sevs.

Fn2r sold here so no go.

Ek9 sits at 124kw/t so is fine.

For all of the above, all you need is for honda to say "yes, we dont care if people import these old models"

My knowledge here is incredibly limited and am basing this off the sevs application form. Point 15 is all thats stopping the hondas coming in as far as I can see.


Edit:
Even if they got onto sevs list, finding someone who thinks it makes good business sense to go through the hassle of getting compliancing approval is a whole different story.

Pardon my ignorance, but what's power to weight got to do with it?

[Chernoby1]

On phone so cant check the exact figure but, to meet the performance criteria it needs to have 120kw/t or more.

Im by no means an expert on this or the law, but based on their paperwork, gettung a sporty car on sevs should be easy as piss. The compliancing side if things seems much much nastier.

[DreadAngel]

Yup, SEVS has a requirement for pw/kg ratio... Hence why cars such as the R32 GTS/R33 GTS can't be brought because they don't meet the pw/kg ratio...

Honda did a Toyota, yes it was possible to get the FD2R to Australia however Europe requirements, compliance and testing are to Australian standards and Japanese ones apparently don't meet Australian standards. So it would cost Honda much less to make the FN2R compliant compared to the FD2R. The cost v profit of the FD2R would also be a stumbling block though I don't see how the FN2R has really performed any better in this regard.

[Chernoby1]

So to bring it back ot the op:

Convince honda australia that importing the FD2R (and thus the Mugen RR) will not compete with their sales in anyway. Once thats done, then you can save up like $50k for misc costs involved with getting a compliance joint to actually compliance it (plus you have to pay for the car). Alternatively, you could buy yourself an NSX.

[lolmclol]

convince hondie

lmao

[Chernoby1]

convince hondie

lmao

Majt, flash some kesh ;)
Money talks :D

[curtis265]

Majt, flash some kesh ;)
Money talks :D

give them 60k to change their business strategy..?

good idea man!

[Chernoby1]

More like bribery lol....

[gkB18Cr]

**** i didnt think i would get that many replies lol.

How is it over in NZ with importing? like i know they get more cars in from japan then we do ( Well More Variety Anyway if i am correct )

but the point i am getting to and it might be a stupid question....

But can you Import from New Zealand and have different rules from japan? Asin Do they get the Fd2 Civic and can we buy from them?

lol i really have no ****ing idea when it comes to our Importing rules.

haha Soz

[DreadAngel]

Nope, its international...

NZ usually doesn't work out cheaper than JP anyway ;)

[Chernoby1]

If you cant be bothered living in japan for a year, you could go to either uk or nz (who's import laws are lax as ****), live there a year and then bring the car home.

Probably the easiest way for a non Japanese speaker

[gkB18Cr]

Cheers Fellas