Application for eligibility FD2 Type R Civic

[EJ1]

Dear Ozhonda community,

Trying to get an official application currently through to SEVS for the FD2 Type R civic.

I'm sure most of you folks would love for this car to be imported but I need some evidence which may suggest it meets the requirements in the following link.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/sevs/pdf/Circular0-2-12.pdf

Would be fantastic if we can get the ball rolling on this one!

Best regards and looking forwards to your responses.

[Honda_FD]

I think you can Import one without any problems.

I think through out Australia there was 1 Street Registered Genuine Mugen RR That was Located in Melbourne.
He ended up selling that car for about $60,000.

Im not saying its going to be easy but it is possible. Try asking some importers and see what they say

[PHO]

Its only possible at the moment if you import it under the PERSONAL IMPORT scheme.

So you have to own the car in japan for 12 months before you can bring it back to australia.

[Harricade]

Its only possible at the moment if you import it under the PERSONAL IMPORT scheme.

So you have to own the car in japan for 12 months before you can bring it back to australia.

Yeh, Also has to be evidence that you also physically lived there in those 12/24? months- e.g rent receipts, passport date stamp etc. Not easy.

[PHO]

Yeh, Also has to be evidence that you also physically lived there in those 12/24? months- e.g rent receipts, passport date stamp etc. Not easy.

Something like that. :]

[DreadAngel]

Dear Ozhonda community,

Trying to get an official application currently through to SEVS for the FD2 Type R civic.

I'm sure most of you folks would love for this car to be imported but I need some evidence which may suggest it meets the requirements in the following link.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/sevs/pdf/Circular0-2-12.pdf

Would be fantastic if we can get the ball rolling on this one!

Best regards and looking forwards to your responses.

Unfortunately, I don't think it will pass...

The car fails:
(a) Appearance – Significant difference in appearance to popular class of
vehicle in that category; [FD Civic already exist]
(b) Unusual Design Features – Significant difference in sub-assemblies to
popular class of vehicle in that category [FD Civic already exist]

Unsure if it passes:
(c) Performance – Significant difference in level of performance to popular
class of vehicle in that category; [K20A with 225PS isn't 'significantly' different to other 2L in its class]
(d) Featured in specialist motoring magazines in “as manufactured”
condition. [I think HPI featured it?]

Even if it meets criteria, I think you need to provide evidence of compliance, so you'll have to has emission testing and crash testing. Honda Australia might try to stop you or make life difficult like Nissan did with the R35...

[EJ1]

Thanks for your responses, I had planned a trip to Japan around Christmas time purely and simply to qualify for a personal import to bring it back but if we can get compliance happening I'd rather that to save me a trip to Japan.

As far as I know it has to be based on a different chassis to the car already sold here, I thought there may have been significant changes to somewhat degree as opposed to the fd sport already sold here.

Take the aristo for example. They declined the cars eligibility 3 times before it was complied. Possibly with a bit of persuation and persistence we can get it to qualify?

[Chernoby1]

Unfortunately, I don't think it will pass...

The car fails:
(a) Appearance – Significant difference in appearance to popular class of
vehicle in that category; [FD Civic already exist]
(b) Unusual Design Features – Significant difference in sub-assemblies to
popular class of vehicle in that category [FD Civic already exist]

Unsure if it passes:
(c) Performance – Significant difference in level of performance to popular
class of vehicle in that category; [K20A with 225PS isn't 'significantly' different to other 2L in its class]
(d) Featured in specialist motoring magazines in “as manufactured”
condition. [I think HPI featured it?]

Even if it meets criteria, I think you need to provide evidence of compliance, so you'll have to has emission testing and crash testing. Honda Australia might try to stop you or make life difficult like Nissan did with the R35...

Performance is kw/t and the fd2r DOES meet this.
As you were saying though, getting it on SEVS is the easy part. Getting a shop to spend the money to determine what needs to be changed to make it ADR compliant is expensiiiive. Worth it for a workshop who thinks theyll bring in 100+ of that model, but doubt the fd2r will get those sort of numbers.



Thanks for your responses, I had planned a trip to Japan around Christmas time purely and simply to qualify for a personal import to bring it back but if we can get compliance happening I'd rather that to save me a trip to Japan.

As far as I know it has to be based on a different chassis to the car already sold here, I thought there may have been significant changes to somewhat degree as opposed to the fd sport already sold here.

Take the aristo for example. They declined the cars eligibility 3 times before it was complied. Possibly with a bit of persuation and persistence we can get it to qualify?

You need to LIVE in japan for 12 months to be able to do personal import.

to repeat, getting it on sevs is easy, but nobody is going to go through the process when everyone is pretty sure that nobody will actually bother spending the money ot be able to comply them.

[kikimushroom]

is it possible to import to New Zealand and then bring it over here to Australia?

[PHO]

is it possible to import to New Zealand and then bring it over here to Australia?

Personal import rule still applies for newzealand. Live and own fd2r in nz for 12 months

[Baygon]

Arent there already FD2Rs here? Saw a black one at rhodes and was genuine i believe, fd2r rims, brembos, type R dashboard.

[Honda_FD]

Arent there already FD2Rs here? Saw a black one at rhodes and was genuine i believe, fd2r rims, brembos, type R dashboard.

You can just do a mock up easiy.
My friend bought over a smashed FD2R and transfered all the interior over and the Brembos.

[EJ1]

Performance is kw/t and the fd2r DOES meet this.
As you were saying though, getting it on SEVS is the easy part. Getting a shop to spend the money to determine what needs to be changed to make it ADR compliant is expensiiiive. Worth it for a workshop who thinks theyll bring in 100+ of that model, but doubt the fd2r will get those sort of numbers.


You need to LIVE in japan for 12 months to be able to do personal import.

to repeat, getting it on sevs is easy, but nobody is going to go through the process when everyone is pretty sure that nobody will actually bother spending the money ot be able to comply them.

Yeah I'm well aware of the criteria needed to meet the personal import scheme, I'd be more then happy to bring over the first one for compliance it's just whether or not an importer would be prepared to take it to the next step. Secondly if compliance wasn't an issue and the funds were readily available do you guys think this car will pass and be eligible for import.

I need to begin sifting through some information and start gathering the relevant information to prove this car meets the criteria in the link I've provided.

Any help would be highly appreciated, Lets make this happen guys! Owning an FD2 type R may not be as far fetched as some may think. Owning this car has been a dream of mine for quite some time now..

All we need is a few of you interested to get the ball rolling..

[Chernoby1]

the car will pass ADR's with minimal changes (IE, no cutting of the chassis).
From what i could gather, investment required to be able to carry out compliancing is ~$100k.
So to break even and not loose money your looking at $15k for compliance if 10 examples come through; $10k for the tests and $5k for time/resources required to carry out the works.
20 examples, $10k per car
50 examples, $7k per car

But then most people who are able to actually do this, well theyre running a business. So they want some sort of like you know, profit and for me 10% seems a reasonable ROI.
So assuming the cost of the car is $30k:

10 examples coming in to the country: $30k car, $3k shipping/fees, $17.5k compliance, TOTAL $50k each
20 examples coming in to the country: $30k car, $3k shipping/fees, $12.5k compliance, TOTAL $45k each
50 examples coming in to the country: $30k car, $3k shipping/fees, $8k compliance, TOTAL $40k each

Now its up to you to find people X amount of people to commit to a purchase to that cost. Oh and thats assuming that ALL of the cars are EXACTLY the same, so completely stock.


And then youve got to realise you could buy yourself a 135i for that sort of money. Fd2r vs 135i... same age... only way i see people choosing fd2r is if they already have something like a 135i

[EJ1]

Correct I'm aware the car will pass ADR's but the question it really boils down to is will the FD2R meet the requirements?

The link I've provided in the first post of this thread specifies requirements for chassis and various other features the car has to qualify to be eligible to be sold in the country. From what I've interpreted off the email I received back from SEVS the car has to be built on a different chassis to the one built here. That's just the start of it all.

As an example if you read section "4" that criteria is compulsory as far as I know including other information which is listed. I'd like opinions as to whether or not the ozhonda community thinks it will pass.

I know the wheelbase is different on the FD2 Type R as opposed to the FD sport which is a start on things but I haven't really looked into it further... Need a few experienced opinions on the situation and other criteria which is needed for the FD2R to qualify.

Those prices seem a little steep for compliance and for the vehicle I've managed to source several FD2R's with around 10,000-40,000 on the odometer which all appear to be of grade 5 condition. Prices vary between 20,000-27,000 AUD give or take.

[nicho]

isn't garage 88's FD genuine?

[Chernoby1]

Correct I'm aware the car will pass ADR's but the question it really boils down to is will the FD2R meet the requirements?

The link I've provided in the first post of this thread specifies requirements for chassis and various other features the car has to qualify to be eligible to be sold in the country. From what I've interpreted off the email I received back from SEVS the car has to be built on a different chassis to the one built here. That's just the start of it all.

As an example if you read section "4" that criteria is compulsory as far as I know including other information which is listed. I'd like opinions as to whether or not the ozhonda community thinks it will pass.

I know the wheelbase is different on the FD2 Type R as opposed to the FD sport which is a start on things but I haven't really looked into it further... Need a few experienced opinions on the situation and other criteria which is needed for the FD2R to qualify.

Those prices seem a little steep for compliance and for the vehicle I've managed to source several FD2R's with around 10,000-40,000 on the odometer which all appear to be of grade 5 condition. Prices vary between 20,000-27,000 AUD give or take.

What requirements are you talking about? SEVS? If so, that should be relatively straight forward to push through. It meets the performance and published req's and that is enough.

The prices ive given for compliance are an example of what you can expect to get given the number of cars rolling through. I'm yet to see a car ACTUALLY complied for less than $6000. Im sure many have but i dont know of any personally.

[Harricade]

Well, I've been told that all our Aus FDs are made in Thailand where the FD2Rs are made in Japan. Pretty sure most of you know this anyways.

[Stevil]

Just turbo ya FD, decent coilovers, Brembo's, body kit etc and should eat the FD2R for breakfast !

[EJ1]

Well guys an girls,

Here's an update on the situation. I've managed to get in contact with an importer and complier and he's agreed to attempt to make the fd2 type r eligible for importation into Australia, Put the car on sevs and do the compliance.

Will start a new thread when I get home from work with a more in depth explanation on how things will work and what we need to get the ball rolling.

The importer and myself will need as much information as possible regarding various things about the fd2 type r.

[curtis265]

Well guys an girls,

Here's an update on the situation. I've managed to get in contact with an importer and complier and he's agreed to attempt to make the fd2 type r eligible for importation into Australia, Put the car on sevs and do the compliance.

Will start a new thread when I get home from work with a more in depth explanation on how things will work and what we need to get the ball rolling.

The importer and myself will need as much information as possible regarding various things about the fd2 type r.

This is good news, good luck with it!

IF you do well i may buy one :)

[DreadAngel]

Just turbo ya FD, decent coilovers, Brembo's, body kit etc and should eat the FD2R for breakfast !

If you think that's enough to beat the FD2R on the track, you got another thing coming...

[Harricade]

Well guys an girls,

Here's an update on the situation. I've managed to get in contact with an importer and complier and he's agreed to attempt to make the fd2 type r eligible for importation into Australia, Put the car on sevs and do the compliance.

Will start a new thread when I get home from work with a more in depth explanation on how things will work and what we need to get the ball rolling.

The importer and myself will need as much information as possible regarding various things about the fd2 type r.

I'll gladly help where I can. You got my support! =)


This is good news, good luck with it!

IF you do well i may buy one :)

Me too, it's a really big 'may' tho. lol

[Chernoby1]

Well guys an girls,

Here's an update on the situation. I've managed to get in contact with an importer and complier and he's agreed to attempt to make the fd2 type r eligible for importation into Australia, Put the car on sevs and do the compliance.

Will start a new thread when I get home from work with a more in depth explanation on how things will work and what we need to get the ball rolling.

The importer and myself will need as much information as possible regarding various things about the fd2 type r.

Noice noice! Hoping it all comes through :D

[EJ1]

Thanks for all your support guys please refer to the new thread I've created for an explanation on everything. I hope it all comes through as well, Owning the FD2 has been a dream of mine and this is one car Australia cannot miss out on. The FN2R doesn't cut it for me unfortunately.

A true type R is made in Japan. :)

[bennjamin]

Hey mate , I've just removed your other thread as it is essentially a group buy - which are not allowed on ozhonda.
Please organise this via PM or on another forum that allows it , thanks.

[Poeter]

Might have better luck sharing this information on CITR.

[PHO]

Group buy on fd2r. Fuuu. Dat exy group buy

[EJ1]

The thread was far from a group buy it was a request regarding information to assist the RAWS approval, Part of it was more of an explanation on how many buyers were needed. Not a request for buyers..

If it were a group buy the thread title would have been "Group buy- FD2R". They haven't even got the RAWS approval so there's no possibility of it being a group buy or any relation to it.

Hopefully the thread has been saved as it took me a few hours to write up, If not I won't be happy.

[Poeter]

The thread was far from a group buy it was a request regarding information to assist the RAWS approval, Part of it was more of an explanation on how many buyers were needed. Not a request for buyers..

If it were a group buy the thread title would have been "Group buy- FD2R". They haven't even got the RAWS approval so there's no possibility of it being a group buy or any relation to it.

Hopefully the thread has been saved as it took me a few hours to write up, If not I won't be happy.

:thumbsup:

Yea, the information you provided gave quite an interesting insight into the challenges of bringing in fd2r.

At least in my opinion it didn't seem like a groupbuy.

[EJ1]

Thanks, I'm also a moderator on another forum which I'll keep disclosed at this point in time but In my eyes this was a poor decision on the moderators behalf.

The thread should be reconsidered and opened again, It was extremely unessicary to remove the whole thread when I could have compromised what the mod thought was a breach of the guidelines and edited it.

[chargeR]

How is it possible to get the FD2 civic in through SEVS? It was a model released in full volume in Australia by the CPA holder Honda Motor Co for the entire model run, the differences between the local models are not significant enough to constitute a different "Model" and you can't scrape by on early or late models like importers do with R35 GT-Rs or S15s.

[EJ1]

I disagree there are a substantial amount of differences. Features from the motor to drivetrain to the wheelbase ect..

Nearly everything is different as opposed to the fd.

[chargeR]

I disagree there are a substantial amount of differences. Features from the motor to drivetrain to the wheelbase ect..

Nearly everything is different as opposed to the fd.

Does the Department of Transport agree with you? That's all that matters, and I can't see them letting you get away with a car that has the same name, the same basic engine, and nearly identical internal and external dimensions etc. I agree that all the small details are different, but I'm just not convinced that these differences will be significant enough.

From the document you linked earlier:


2.2.5 The following factors will be taken into account when determining whether a vehicle is the same model as another vehicle:

(a) Model code or series;

(b) engine/transmission codes;

(c) exterior body/cab dimensions;

(d) interior body/cab dimensions;

(e) floorpan or wheelbase within 50mm, and track within 10mm (after allowing for
differing wheel offset).

2.2.6 The following variations by themselves, DO NOT constitute a different Model:

(a) trim or optional specification variations;

(b) body variants, such as Sedan, Hatchback, Station-Wagon or Single and Double-Cab, or with Sleeper-Cab, of the same basic Model;

(c) wheelbase or wheeltrack variations;

(d) goods carrying bodies, plant and/or equipment added to a vehicle, usually a chassis-cab that has minimal effect on ADR compliance;

(e) variations in profile being a result of the addition, or modification of Air Dams, Skirts, Spoilers, Wheel-Arches and similar;

(f) different engines and/or transmissions, including petrol or diesel, manual or automatic, or 2WD, 4WD or AWD, turbo-charged, supercharged, variations of fuel injection technique (eg GDI) or Traction control.

According to a,b,c and d in the first section it's unlikely they will consider it a separate "Model".

[mocchi]

Does the Department of Transport agree with you? That's all that matters, and I can't see them letting you get away with a car that has the same name, the same basic engine, and nearly identical internal and external dimensions etc. I agree that all the small details are different, but I'm just not convinced that these differences will be significant enough.

From the document you linked earlier:



According to a,b,c and d in the first section it's unlikely they will consider it a separate "Model".

http://www.seccs.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_concur.gif

[Poeter]

Hmm, it appears someone has tried to put an application for the mugen RR already.

http://rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/sevs/not_elig/Honda%20Civic%20NE96-00.htm

That has been denied on this basis:

Basis: e.g. Regulation 24(2) and 24(4) (b) (ii) (A). Make and Model of vehicle has been supplied in MA Category to the Australian market in Full Volume under CPA 35111.

[Poeter]

Take the aristo for example. They declined the cars eligibility 3 times before it was complied. Possibly with a bit of persuation and persistence we can get it to qualify?

Having to look further into the reason why aristo was denied in the first place. The show stopper for the aristo was because it didn't have the publications to meet 2 out of 4 criteria

http://rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/sevs/not_elig/NE24-00.htm - Issued Feb 2005

However, aristo was later eligible due to publications available to meet 2 out of the 4 criteria.

http://rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/sevs/340-00.htm - Issued Sept 2005


Therefore, it appears the fd2's hurdle is different the aristo's scenario.

As everyone mentioned before, the main show stopper is that the Make and Model of vehicle has been supplied in MA Category to the Australian market in Full Volume under CPA 35111


So unless substantial evidence can be provided to classify fd2r as a different model then the hurdle above can be passed.

[DreadAngel]

^

Finally someone understands...

[bennjamin]

I haven't read much here - but my simple understanding is that if a car (model/chassis) is released here it (in any guise) can't generally be imported from other countries. Unless owned overseas for 12 months or more yadda yadda. No exceptions , right ? I've had a few in depth conversations in years gone past with a couple
Of importers and basically , it can't be done.

[curtis265]

I haven't read much here - but my simple understanding is that if a car (model/chassis) is released here it (in any guise) can't generally be imported from other countries. Unless owned overseas for 12 months or more yadda yadda. No exceptions , right ? I've had a few in depth conversations in years gone past with a couple
Of importers and basically , it can't be done.

Forgive my ignorance - why are EP3's allowed then? Aren't they the same 'model' as the FD2R? or is that because of the D vs K series engine?

[EKVTIR-T]

ep3 body not sold here

fd sedan was

[curtis265]

ep3 body not sold here

fd sedan was

is this because it's chassis code was EU3?

[EKVTIR-T]

curtis pls

that one is 4dr m8

[DreadAngel]

EP3 is different enough in configuration and appearance to AUDM EU3

[EJ1]

This is why I created the other thread which was removed.. To help in the application approval in providing details which differ it enough from the FD2.

I'm still unsure as to why the S15 silvia spec R can be imported and we supply the same make and model in full volume which is the Spec S in Australia. This is why I want to test the waters again and maybe if everyone puts their brains into it we can get the approval for the FD2 type R.

With enough research and information I'm sure we can meet the criteria needed to differ it from the FD2 sold here. After all the S15 spec R has exactly the same motor as the Spec S where as the FD2R has a completely different engine and various other features.

[EKVTIR-T]

I think the jdm s15 imports are 99'

before audm release

[EJ1]

Why should that be of no concern though? Surely that can't be the reasoning behind it..

[EJ1]

May I ask who's the administrator on the forum, Or even a moderator who can copy and paste my deleted thread to me and send it via PM so I can repost it and edit out the section which "benjamin" thought was a group buy?

[Poeter]

Forgive my ignorance - why are EP3's allowed then? Aren't they the same 'model' as the FD2R? or is that because of the D vs K series engine?

To answer your question, you can take a look at the notice issued for ep3.

http://rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/sevs/410-02.htm

Regulation 24(4)(b)(ii)(A) and 24(4)(c)(ii). Model of vehicle has not been supplied in MA Category to the Australian market in Full Volume and meets 2 out of 4 criteria.

Obviously DoTR defines the ep3 as a different chassis to eu. Therefore, ep3 is declared as a model not brought into Australia in full volume.

[bennjamin]

May I ask who's the administrator on the forum, Or even a moderator who can copy and paste my deleted thread to me and send it via PM so I can repost it and edit out the section which "benjamin" thought was a group buy?

I have explained it to you in this thread , it is not allowed.
There is to be NO reference to this on Ozhonda. You can add something to your signature to PM you about it - thats it.

Anyone that has interest in this , please pm EJ1 in regards to this AT YOUR OWN RISK

[curtis265]

curtis pls

that one is 4dr m8

ah

palm on face for me then!

[DreadAngel]

Why should that be of no concern though? Surely that can't be the reasoning behind it..

Yup, it is because Nissan brought the S15 in as a 'volume model' (I think that's what its called) hence it would not be counted as a 'Specialist' vehicle anymore:

007/04 Nissan Silvia MA 1998/12 - 2000/08
471/00 Nissan Silvia Varietta MA 2000/07 - 2002/03

[EJ1]

I have explained it to you in this thread , it is not allowed.
There is to be NO reference to this on Ozhonda. You can add something to your signature to PM you about it - thats it.

Anyone that has interest in this , please pm EJ1 in regards to this AT YOUR OWN RISK

Sorry but you're completely blowing this out of proportion and abusing your privilege as a moderator. You've closed the whole thread down without even editing the initial post in the thread by myself. If you think it was a breach of the guidelines why didn't you remove the small section which was only a line or two and leave the rest of the thread as it took me several hours to write up. The thread has no relevance to a group buy what so ever as I have said and you didn't listen it was a request for information to assist the approval of the FD2R. If it was such an issue you should have contacted me and I would have made the changes to the thread myself where you felt necessary even though there was nothing which was breaching the guidelines in the thread you just think there is. Maybe you should have spent a bit more time reading the thread and you would have understood.

As I mentioned the car hasn't even got the approval I simply explained we need 5 people at bare minimum for this to work. If I intended the thread to be a group buy the topic title would have been "group buy civic fd2r" not "Civic FD2 type R SEVS listing, RAWS approval and compliance.

Several members have contacted me via PM outraged regarding your decision and decisions of yours in the past. This is such a poor judgement on your behalf...

Dreadangel- So isn't the FD sport classified as a "volume model"?

[EJ1]

-Bennjamin

At least copy and paste the thread and send it to me via PM so I can repost it and make the relevant changes to the context "you think" breaches the guidelines. It was simply a request regarding information, I don't know how many times I have to stress this.

[chargeR]

EJ1 you're not understanding what Peoter and Dreadangel are saying. The S15 was allowed in because there were models available that were 18 months old before the S15 was locally released in volume by Nissan, in the same way that early model R35 GT-Rs made it into the country. The document you linked in the first post makes these loopholes very clear.

This loophole does not apply to the FD2R as the dates it was available in the Japanese market are the same dates that the FD Civic was volume imported into Australia by Honda.

The EP3R is a different kettle of fish as others have noted, when it was sold in Japan there was nothing like it sold in Australia. It had 3 doors, a K20A, a 6 speed transmission, was made in the UK... the list goes on. It was significantly different to the local models, unlike the FD2R, in that situation we already got a K20 powered Civic with the same body shell during that period so DoTaRs will tell you to go EAD like they did the person that applied for the Mugen RR.

[EJ1]

I understand hence why I posted the other thread to try find a loophole. There must be one or at least some..

[PHO]

Already have the FD sport here (k20 fd). FD was supplied in full volume to australia as well which doesn't give much hope for a slightly different car (compared to fd sport) of the same chassis from another country.

[PHO]

Yes you may argue that FD2R is essentially very different to the FD sport here, which it is in terms of performance ability. But to those people who decide if it comes in or not, its just a slightly different fd sport which was supplied in FULL VOLUME to australia.

[EJ1]

The importer/complier just asked if Honda Australia had 3 and 4 door civics for sale from 2007-2010 at all times? I'm assuming the answer is yes which is what I've already explained to him.

[EKVTIR-T]

They will be too expensive anyway

who would pay 60k for a frontwheel drive honda

[DreadAngel]

Yes you may argue that FD2R is essentially very different to the FD sport here, which it is in terms of performance ability. But to those people who decide if it comes in or not, its just a slightly different fd sport which was supplied in FULL VOLUME to australia.

Yup, this is the case with the board of approval. They will only see it as a hotted up FD despite our best efforts to point out that the FD2R has got XXX amount of differences compared to the FD1/2 in Australia.

[EJ1]

60k?

Try 27 for a low km grade 4.5 example in Japan. Then try a few thousand for shipping at most, Then compliance $3500 at most.

[EJ1]

The import laws over here are crap. So is this country we live in you can't do nothing in Australia. So much for a "free country" right?

[EKVTIR-T]

show me fd2r for 27k pls

[bennjamin]

As suggested please add to your signature your query to "get numbers" , just do not make a thread about it. You want one , and you need X amount of people to join in to "get one" too. This is similar to a group buy - which isnt allowed. Stop pushing that a mod is against your idea.




Several members have contacted me via PM outraged regarding your decision and decisions of yours in the past. This is such a poor judgement on your behalf...


BTW , i have never received a complaint like that you suggest - I think you made this up.

If anyone has an issue with my "poor judgement" please pm me about it and tell me whats up.



Also , I too know a FD2R is $22-25k at the auction house in japan. It cant be imported to be road registered in this country (other than the previous ownership rule)

Why dont you import one as a track only car ?

[PHO]

If the FD sport here was supplied with a more sporty R18. You'd have a better chance to bring in the k20 FD2R in. But as it is now, chances are close to 0 besides personal import.
Its just another trim level above our FD2 that wasn't supplied in aus.


This situation is like trying to get the EK9 available for import. Its just another trim level. Its got a slightly different engine, different brakes and whatnot. But its just a hotted up EK4 in their eyes.

[PHO]

The import laws over here are crap. So is this country we live in you can't do nothing in Australia. So much for a "free country" right?

Literally laughed out loud...

The term free country relates to a government who does not control what we say or do for political reasons and where people can express their opinions without punishment

If what your idea of free country, where we can do whatever we want, is put in place, I could go purchase a gun somewhere and shoot a high profile person in the head and get away with it, cause its a "free country" right?

The SEVS laws ect are there to protect our economy.

[curtis265]

lol free country, easiest cop out

[EJ1]

Incase you didn't notice PHO It was sarcasm..

-Bennjamin Well copy, paste my thread and send it to me via PM and I'll edit it and remove that section which you think is a breach of the guidelines and leave the segment which is a request for information.

I'm still going to attempt to get an FD2R approved. No harm in trying...

[Poeter]

I'm still going to attempt to get an FD2R approved. No harm in trying...

:thumbsup: I like your approach.

Hopefully you can turn the tables around.

Please keep us posted with your progress...

[Chernoby1]

Is the wheelbase different?

If so, talk to kristian at iron chef imports. He is probably the guy who has pushed through most of the other difficult models. Last one I heard was a tarago..

[Poeter]

Interestingly, I wonder how the STi 22B was available for import.

It was denied eligibility for SEVS because of a similar scenario to the FD2R. However I've seen Edward Lee selling 22B's before at their caryard.

http://rvcs.infrastructure.gov.au/SEVS/NOT_ELIG/NE16-00.htm

[DreadAngel]

I suspect most 22Bs you see are personal import or track only...

[Poeter]

Is the wheelbase different?

If so, talk to kristian at iron chef imports. He is probably the guy who has pushed through most of the other difficult models. Last one I heard was a tarago..

You mean the estima?

Well for that, I think it would go through because provisions of Administrator’s Circular 0-4-12 (Only for motorhome and campervans)

[EJ1]

I've spoken to Krystian an he said it was a no go for the fd2R. Sinergy Motorsports wanted me to contact them I'll see what they say about it.

Fingers crossed they have an idea.

[Chernoby1]

If the Iron Chef says no, i dont fancy your chances. glhfdd

[stevo1210]

I don't want to Hijack a thread, but is the Euro version of the Accord (2000-2002 model) allowed in through the SEVs scheme? It's different in shape and has a different engine as well, we don't have it here. I have only ever seen one... and that was driving on Jame Ruse Dr on my way to Castle Hill in 2011! I think it was a personal import though...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/969649_10201378855133052_1887992916_n.jpg

[Poeter]

ATR is probably do-able as long it meets the criteria specified.

Oddly, the DB8 ITR didn't pass. 4door version of the dc2

http://rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/sevs/not_elig/NE38-00.htm

[Brian FD2R]

Interesting thread,But to own a car like mine you would have to bring it in as personal import or hope mine comes up for sale lol.
Reading posts I can tell you a JDM FD is a completely different car to whats available here they look the similar but are screwed together different and i mean that, I couldn't list all the differences and I'm not going to try either.
A JDM FD2R is a serious bit of kit you only have to check out youtube vids on the car a car thats capable of doing 264 kpm and blindingly quick on twisty roads fastest car I've owned point to point.

[kikimushroom]

clear your inbox EJ1!

[stevo1210]

http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/imported-used-cars-a-threat-to-australian-market/story-fnkgdhrc-1226845002155

Saw this in the paper today and immediately though of this thread. Dreams of owning a REAL FD2 Type R might actually come true if that proposal goes ahead!