Properly Changing Tranny Oil

[k20laz]

Hey i have an 05 auto euro. recently bought it on 133000km, i dont know waht the previous owner used for the transmission oil, but id imagine they used Honda ATF. Now im thinking about changing to Redline D4 as some has suggested on the forum, but im just wondering would i have to do a 3x3 flush to completely get rid of old oil? as my tranny also rattles pretty bad at 1400-1500RPM when going up hill.

[Jasemas]

If you are wanting to do the fluid
change it
Drive around for a bit to engage all the gears and make sure the torque converter looks up
Change oil
repeat drive around
change oil
repeat drive around

You'll need at least 12 litres of Honda ATF DW-1
And it retails for $75 for 4 litres

[felixd]

Tranny lol !!!

[Softcox]

I did a 3x3 drain/flush and try to change it right after you get back from the drive while everything is still warm, flows much better. Basic stuff I know but I was a beginner too. Just avoid draining it all over your face while you're under the car.

[stndrd]

I would use Penrite ATFMHP instead of the redline or OEM. At $40 for 4L it is a cheaper and better quality option

[Fredoops]

I did a 3x3 drain/flush and try to change it right after you get back from the drive while everything is still warm, flows much better. Basic stuff I know but I was a beginner too. Just avoid draining it all over your face while you're under the car.
Yeah...

Imagine getting a facial from the tranny... not good, not good at all.

[Softcox]

Imagine getting a facial from the tranny... not good, not good at all.

Hey he might be into that sort of thing, you never know.

[curtis265]

Yeah...

Imagine getting a facial from the tranny... not good, not good at all.

this reminded me of the hangover part 2.

[TR541]

Hey i have an 05 auto euro. recently bought it on 133000km, i dont know waht the previous owner used for the transmission oil, but id imagine they used Honda ATF. Now im thinking about changing to Redline D4 as some has suggested on the forum, but im just wondering would i have to do a 3x3 flush to completely get rid of old oil? as my tranny also rattles pretty bad at 1400-1500RPM when going up hill.


My 04 model also had the shudder at about 1400rpm (it has 115,000kms) and I was pretty sure the trans fluid had never been changed as it smelt a bit on the stick. In the last week I did a 4 x flush with genuine Honda ATF as recommended by my mechanic. Its a very easy home garage job, the hardest part is taking that annoying splash guard off as it has quite a number of plastic clips.

I believe 3 x flush is sufficient and I felt the shudder at low revs had gone after 3x fill of new fluid. I did it 4 times as I had enough new fluid left over for a fourth flush. I will now do 1 flush every 20,000kms to keep the transmission in smooth order.

- Keep re-using the old washer until you put your final fill in. Then seal with the new crusher washer which is a bit larger in diameter than the oil sump washer.
- Keep the splash guard off the car until you have done your final fill.
- Drive the car around after each fill to get the old and new oil mixed (I did about 30kms after each fill) and make sure you get upto highway speeds.
- Because the drain plug is on the side of the sump rather than the rear, I found that draining the old oil whilst the car was level got the most out.
- Torque setting for the Trans oil sump plug is 36 foot pounds. Fill 2.8litres of trans oil after the drain.

The 1400 rpm shudder I was experiencing has now been eliminated.

[ChaosMaster]

Just need to keep an eye out for sales on ATF.

[Fredoops]

Penrites 40 bucks for 4 liters f their Multi vehicle atf

[d1zzo]

What about for the manual trans?

[ChaosMaster]

Penrites 40 bucks for 4 liters f their Multi vehicle atf

As good as D4?


What about for the manual trans?

Manual trans is a lot harder. And usually last a lot longer than ATF. With manual trans, you usually have a plug on the side of the transmission. You would loosen it slow, and if oil comes out, then it's fine, if nothing comes out, then you need to add more oil. To actually flush it though, you would need a proper kit for that.

[Fredoops]

As good as D4?



I cant see how it can be worse.

[aaronng]

Manual trans is a lot harder. And usually last a lot longer than ATF. With manual trans, you usually have a plug on the side of the transmission. You would loosen it slow, and if oil comes out, then it's fine, if nothing comes out, then you need to add more oil. To actually flush it though, you would need a proper kit for that.

There are 2 plus on the side for the manual. Bottom one to drain, top one to fill. Need to use a funnel and hose. Otherwise you can get those giant syringe thingies from repco to fill the tranny.

[stndrd]

Penrites 40 bucks for 4 liters f their Multi vehicle atf

I have been using it many Accord Euro's and it is working perfectly. If you check what specs it meets, it meets all the Honda specs

[ChaosMaster]

I have been using it many Accord Euro's and it is working perfectly. If you check what specs it meets, it meets all the Honda specs

Ah yeah, not for my Accord Euro, but seeing how the old Honda ATF Z1 wasn't as good as their new DW1, I'm just wondering if Penrite Multi ATF is on similar terms of DW1 or Z1. Edit: I'm guessing their DEX-IV is their range topping oil, with MV FS next, and Multi Vehicle semi synthectic below that?

[Fredoops]

Ah yeah, not for my Accord Euro, but seeing how the old Honda ATF Z1 wasn't as good as their new DW1, I'm just wondering if Penrite Multi ATF is on similar terms of DW1 or Z1. Edit: I'm guessing their DEX-IV is their range topping oil, with MV FS next, and Multi Vehicle semi synthectic below that?

Dw1 is a thinner version of z1, from info I've gathered so far it seems to be similar to the DEX4 arrangement: a fuel efficient fluid with a synthetic or semi synthetic base

So if I had to take a stab in the dark i'd say either the Penrite multi atf is slightly thicker than what DW1 would be or it came out before DW1

[DLO01]

So what is the reasoning behind the 3x changes? Seems a bit extreme? Do one 3lt change and at a guess 1% of the old stuff may be in there still (30ml), but 99% is new (3000ml). Its hard to believe that this would make any difference. Are our Hondas that picky? I think I just answered my own question.

[stndrd]

The meaning of the 3x3 is to help flush out from the torque convertor as well.

I will have to check my specs in regards to if Penrite exceeds DW1 but i would not use DEX VI as it has different properties to what Honda specify.

Like I said, in real world circumstances, myself and the many other Penrite using mechanics I have spoken with have had no issues using it and I personally have had nothing but good feedback.

[d1zzo]

As good as D4?



Manual trans is a lot harder. And usually last a lot longer than ATF. With manual trans, you usually have a plug on the side of the transmission. You would loosen it slow, and if oil comes out, then it's fine, if nothing comes out, then you need to add more oil. To actually flush it though, you would need a proper kit for that.

thanks for that

[Fredoops]

So what is the reasoning behind the 3x changes? Seems a bit extreme? Do one 3lt change and at a guess 1% of the old stuff may be in there still (30ml), but 99% is new (3000ml). Its hard to believe that this would make any difference. Are our Hondas that picky? I think I just answered my own question.

no,
1x change only 50-60% of actual fluid is changed (rest are stuck in the torque converter)
2x change gets to 80% (or something)
3x change gets to 90+%.

Also for a CL9 i would be happy to use Penrite without any concern.

[DLO01]

Thanks chaps. Good info!

[k20laz]

DW-1 is abit expensive, penrite seems like a good way to go seeing as alot of people has had success with it. Could i mix the new one with the old one? for eg. if i only did a 2x2 would that be fine, mixing the last 20% of old fluid in with the new penrite fluid.

[stndrd]

DW-1 is abit expensive, penrite seems like a good way to go seeing as alot of people has had success with it. Could i mix the new one with the old one? for eg. if i only did a 2x2 would that be fine, mixing the last 20% of old fluid in with the new penrite fluid.

Yes you will be fine