Newbie with a GA2 City

[Dooonster]

hey everyone just wanted to join up and say gday and share this project of mine with you all since there is no information on the net on what to do or how to do it i might just have to ad it all.

anyway if anyone has any information on the GA2 city or parts even would be much appreciated

Ive been using a blog as my Daihatsu forum isn't the best place for a honda build lol
http://ga2city.blogspot.com.au/

hope i can help anyone as well as this isn't my first project so i may know a few helpful things

[EKVTIR-T]

welcome abourd m8

[RenzokukenJ]

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[mooshie]

This is a cool project. Keen to see how this one progresses and good work on doing something different

[Dooonster]

yea should be a good bit of fun a 700kg with a 100+ hp engine shouldn't be to much to get the engine over 100 since i have to put custom manifolds on the car should get me just over the 100hp and that will be fun in a car this small. just hope someone else has done some stuff with the car so that i know what to do

[curtis265]

nice!

pix of car!

[Renaissance_x]

nice!

pix of car!

x2 5char

[Dooonster]

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i dint take any really before i started to just get in and get it done lol
Donor vti coupe
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[Renaissance_x]

Did you get this off an old guy with a few crxs?

[Dooonster]

certainly did in caboolture

[Renaissance_x]

Ahh you got this off 'honda pop' on these forums.

[Dooonster]

probably he said he was on here, Im mainly on for Information and to have much better access to parts and to allow others to see the information on how to do the swap as there is no information at all anywhere.

for the conversion i had my Mate trolling the Japanese sites reading and searching for any information he could find and that's where we saw the bell housing mods on a city with a 1.5 vtec turbo in it over in japan so at leased we know its possible and Ive seen a 1.6 vtec in one in Malaysia but they massaged the firewall and did something else with the box there really isn't much info but im still searching that possibility

[THE 2BSEEN]

Did you get this off an old guy with a few crxs?

you cant just call pop old lol

this be a good project to watch

[hondapop]

Seeing I've been mentioned, I'd better stick my nose in. Thanks for the kind words 2B, any compliments are welcome. Glad to see you got over this way, Aaron. I wonder if the guy that I told you about that put the Vtec in an SIR model was ever on here. I'm sure I've seen an uncompleted build thread somewhere.

[hondapop]

OK, Don't think it's the same guy but here's the thread on here http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?62678-my-little-modifyed-vtec-honda-city-650kg-130kw&highlight=city+vtec+swap. Unfortunately all the pics are lost but on page 7 (last page) he does give a list of the mods and you might be able to glean other info on the way through.

[Dooonster]

yea i read all of that before shame he hasn't let on about how to do it....

[Dooonster]

more progress just got to remove the shafts and drain the auto and then its good bye old resting place

cant be bothered to post all the pics up right now as its late will post some tomorrow

alternatively u can look at my blog where my camera automatically uploads too

http://ga2city.blogspot.com.au/

[Dooonster]

CIVIC SHELL LEAVES FOR SCRAP TOMORROW IF YOU WANT ANYTHING OFF THE CAR PM ME.


Apparently I'm not aloud to post in the for sale section for like 3 months so if you want anything from this shell then make sure you send me a pm and ill endeavor to remove it if i have the time

missing parts

engine
engine loom
cluster
front brakes
and a few other bits ive forgotten about

still got the suspension and so on and heaps more like fog lights front bar and brake booster and so on

[Dooonster]

what a C*&$t of a job it was but the car finally gave way and we got the engine and box out those hub nuts are not good glad everyone else uses split pins. we had guns on it 600m breaker bars they were not moving.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ohkwHUYhMuA/UcvvuQY3oTI/AAAAAAAAAM0/YjIl5FBVKYQ/s640/WP_20130627_005.jpg


As Always there are more pics on my Blog as the camera uploads there so its just easier to maintain that

http://ga2city.blogspot.com.au/

[THE 2BSEEN]

looking good there brother

What are your plans for engines ??

How did you go with getting rid of the wreak and parts?
I was going to ask for some but that lil bit of water to tas costs a lil

[Dooonster]

still haven't got rid of shell ran out of time had so much F@^#^*&#@(#@@#@((#@#@#@#@ with the hub nuts that i finished at about 5 so i have to hang onto it for another week or so. so if u need anything i haven't already taken off or destroyed as you can see a hammer was used to kill frustration on about everything. but there is heaps of good stuff still left on the shell so the suspension and so on is still there. most interior panels are there but dirty and all electrics worked the front bar has fog lights in it and there are so much more.
anyway let me know
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[hondapop]

After busting my 1/2" drive breaker bar, I graduated to this

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3/4" drive with air tool socket and a metre or so of pipe over that which in the case of this particular nut required standing on and jumping up and down to crack it. (other helpful hint) always do it with wheel on ground and handbrake fully applied.

[EKVTIR-T]

↑ good idea,hideous wheel

[hondapop]

Gumtrees your friend (stuff ebay, to expensive)

[hondapop]

↑ good idea,hideous wheel

And they weighed a ton (or should that be tonne). Got $300 for them.

[Dooonster]

haha well done im still not sure weather to rock the stokies on the city or the black and chrome wheels

[hondapop]

Just had another look at your blog and something you'll need to check. I don't know if this applies to all Honda auto and manual boxes but I have read that the starters are different. Whether this is to do with the ring gears or positions I don't know but as I see you intend to cut and join the bell housings of the GA box and this auto box you'll need to be sure they'll mate up before spending dosh on having it done. Better also sort out flywheel and clutch/fork movement.

[hondapop]

haha well done im still not sure weather to rock the stokies on the city or the black and chrome wheels

If you mean the steelies, they only look good if the rims have been widened and reversed to give deep dish, something like this.

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tootnkumin/HondaPops%20CRX%20and%20projects%20pics/CRX%20pics%20from%20around%20the%20world/9ad89k1.jpg (http://s898.photobucket.com/user/tootnkumin/media/HondaPops%20CRX%20and%20projects%20pics/CRX%20pics%20from%20around%20the%20world/9ad89k1.jpg.html)

[Dooonster]

Just had another look at your blog and something you'll need to check. I don't know if this applies to all Honda auto and manual boxes but I have read that the starters are different. Whether this is to do with the ring gears or positions I don't know but as I see you intend to cut and join the bell housings of the GA box and this auto box you'll need to be sure they'll mate up before spending dosh on having it done. Better also sort out flywheel and clutch/fork movement.

Im going to use all the original stuff i have a fuel injection loom from japan on its way so we will see how it all goes when i get that.

[Dooonster]

This is what the modded box looks like

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/dooooney/engd15b015.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/dooooney/media/engd15b015.jpg.html)

[hondapop]

Sh%t that was quick, so you've just cut out bits and replaced as necessary, Good job. Pretty certain the axle seals are the same as a Civic,

[Dooonster]

ill just take them into my local shop and allow them to match them up if not its Over night parts from japan

[hondapop]

So you're planning on using the original engine's flywheel and clutch ? Might be a bit small for the power the Y8 will produce. I've got a spare D16A8 flywheel from an 88 CRX. 190mm, 21 spline plate, on that model, but I'd have to check the OD's of the flywheel/ring gear to see if it'll match the D13c's. The 89's used a 200mm, 20 spline plate and the 90-91's a 212mm, also 20 spline.

[Dooonster]

ill have to make measurements of it all first before i make a decision on what ill do

[hondapop]

I'll try and dig it out tomorrow (gotta remember where it is) and give you some measurements to compare. Won't be to the last nth, but should tell if feasible.

[hondapop]

OK, These as best I can measurements are taken off the flywheel and 200mm clutch assembly still attached to my spare ZC (JDM D16A) and have been done only using a tape and eye. Should be accurate enough to get an idea.

Flywheel; O/all diam incl ring gear = 283mm. Thickness from back face to pressure plate cover bolton face = 26mm. Crankshaft bolts (6) PCD = 62-63mm. Bolt head size = 17mm 12 point socket.

Pressure plate cover, (bolt on face); O/all diam = 242mm. Thickness (Face to back of cover) = 37mm. OD of actual cover = 210mm.

Input shaft spline; OD =22mm. Spigot shaft OD = 14-15mm

Distance flywheel extends out past bellhousing joint face on block to pressure plate cover bolt on face = 20mm.

[Dooonster]

thanks mate when i get the other engine out a crack her apart ill get measuring

[jamespolk]

I am new member in this forum community. My name is James .Nice Project. Nice to meet u!!

[Dooonster]

Omg progress what a dirty word that is

Oh hey everyone been a while yes the project is still on I hope no one had panicked that I had given up.......

We'll I've been waiting for "over night parts from japan" that took 3 months...... Lol

Gear box bell housing mods are almost done heads off at the shop getting a port and polish.

Engine bay is empty tho I have yet to strip it right back and re paint it that's Next week.

I drop the dash off on wed for flocking and I might drop a bottle of scotch and the engine looms over to a mate who will need the scotch. Lol nothings labeled I'm such a bad friend ....

Ooooo and the shocks are off getting made into coil overs

Now I just have to pay for it all..... Lol

Pics are up on the blog

[hondapop]

Wow! and here's me thinking my poor old car had dissapeared for good. Had to recreate the shortcut to the blog. Shocks getting made into coilovers eh! That'll be interesting.

[Dooonster]

Yea they just use the measurements of the old ones and make them into coil overs in a custom job. Should be nice but that will be a while away as most custom jobs are

[Dooonster]

ok so it turned out that the shockies were going to be ..... alot so back to square one but fear not im on a mission

i believe that accord shocks may fit under it.

I busted out the cheapo canon camera that i bought for the garage for photos and took measurement photos of strut and hub.

now i tried to fit the vti hubs and shocks to my car when i wrecked it and the hubs were well off. the bottom ball joint bolt was much smaller on my car.

so i bought some ef shockies and again the ef shockie is too small to fit in the hub......

here is the mesurements if somone could mesure some shockies from a 90 model accord would be great! or know of any shockies that are a bit thicker?
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[hondapop]

The problem you have there is that the City's setup is a true MacPherson, and the shock shaft is also part of the steering assembly and is normally a bigger diameter shaft to withstand cornering loads. The later civic, accord etc shocks don't have that stress put on them as they connect via the yoke around the CV shafts to the LCA. What you will need to look at for alternatives is the ones from the pre 87 civics/crx's or accords as they are the same type of setup. The Gen 1 Integras could be a better bet.

[bennjamin]

yea should be a good bit of fun a 700kg with a 100+ hp engine shouldn't be to much to get the engine over 100 since i have to put custom manifolds on the car should get me just over the 100hp and that will be fun in a car this small. just hope someone else has done some stuff with the car so that i know what to do

Man my old mini with 38hp and 550kg was a blast - I'm sure 100hp in 700kg should be more than fine lol

More pix , love these old city's

[hondapop]

I have to apologise, I gave you a bit of bum info there. The only one of those earlier models that used coils similar to the GA2 is the pre 85 Accords (and possibly the Preludes which generally were Accord based), all the others used torsion bars connected to the LCA and therefore used a shock without a spring seat but still did have the thicker shaft. Could be worth looking into because it may be possible to make up a sleeve type lower seat that would fit over the shock and bear against the outer edge of the knuckle (your last pic). A custom top seat may need to be also made for the coilover spring. As it's a tracker you wouldn't need to be too worried about a rubber insert.

I wouldn't be surprised that the knuckle in the GA2 is the same as one of those earlier models.

[hondapop]

Someone that might be able to help with ideas is Ian (forum name anjin) over in Perth, he races a Gen1 CRX. May be able to suggest something or someone.

The GA2's top seat could probably be modified (insert) to take a smaller diameter coil.

[Dooonster]

Wow i need to subscribe to my own topic so that i get updates......

had a massive look around about it bought shocks from every model accord none fit :( so its either coil overs custom made or springs and a rebuild.

on another note

this are slowly taking shape. (i through it all back together really quickly i might add nothings set in properly and its just sat in there to get a photo for all to drool over.....)
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All of the flocking was done by gold coast flocking and i cant recommend his work enough

If anyone On the coast wants work done here is his contact
Gold Coast Flocking
Asher Ct Upper Coomera QLD 4210
(07) 5502 9953

[hondapop]

That's a flocking good job! Ya gonna get the door cards done too? Hope you can find the triangle to cover the mirror screws.

[Dooonster]

Yea I bought one a few months back on the boat from japan so prob a few months away but it's not going to be the end of the world as the car prob won't be road reg again if it does it's gonna be a 2 sweater with cage lol

[hondapop]

Have a look at this site http://www.sol.dti.ne.jp/~design-m/maxicity.html and go to the Footwork tab where he discusses suspension. With the help of Bing translator, it appears he used 2 brands of coilovers. Firstly by the sound of it a Japanese one Ennepetal in Nagoya. Then further down the page he changed to G-Force which seemed to suit him better. This is what came up in a google search http://www.gforcesuspensionservices.co.uk/ Seems they do 2 wheel and 4 wheel. If they did the shocks etc they may have records, would be pricey no doubt.

[hondapop]

This seems to explain the Ennepetal connection http://www.bilstein.de/en-uk/news-events/news-detail/archive/2013/october/returnpage/44/article/140-jahre-innovationen-made-in-ennepetal-1/

[hondapop]

I had a laugh at this one, @ 21 sec's watch the little black GA2 whip past on the left and leave him in the dust. You don't see it again till almost the end. Seems to say the camera car's a CRZ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MgCpAgrpgk

Thought this might help encourage you.

[Dooonster]

I can get them custom made for about 1300 it was more than I really wanted to spend on it cause I'm on a budget

[hondapop]

It's a lot, but I remember one of the guys on CRX Aus getting a set of special order shortened road/track Koni coilovers for about $1100 from the US, and that was when our dollar was good.

[mooshie]

That flocking is pretty cool, never seen a whole dash done and TBH didn't even know that there are places that can do it aftermarket!

[Dooonster]

Yea its been around for a while hard to find people who still do it tho.

things left to do so i can roll the shell out and do a few more bits in the shed.

Mount buckets on the rails.
send door cards and A pillars off to flocking
make mesurements for roll cage.

strip the rest of the car for paint.
finish engine bay so it can be painted
pull all the bits off and paint them
do somthing with the brakes.....

[hondapop]

Rear brakes (had a look back through to see if I'd mentioned it). My first encounter with one of these little beasties was at our local wreckers many moons ago. They had a black SIR Turbo model (turbo was gone, the only reason they'd bought it). I'm sure it had rear discs and I noticed a different rear axle, + shaped instead of the inverted U like on yours. Car's long gone unfortunately.

[Dooonster]

from what ive seen a gd2 or gd3 jazz should be a direct swap but ill have to keep looking as i dont think we get those models here in auz.

but i found on carsensor a project race one that had the brakes swapped and it was a gd somthing jazz or city ill look it up again soon i bookmarked the page so i could reference later.

but lets just see how the std brakes go for now and if i need them ill do something later

[Dooonster]

Gonna get am finger out and do an update soon

[Dooonster]

so i just spent another 700 on parts from japan so bit after bit is comming in till ive got them all.

should have the rest of the car stripped for the painters around next week. might post a photo later

[Dooonster]

yay more parts from japan!
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did a bit more work inside and out stripping for paint got some old rims to put on the car while its been painted

ill post them pics when i finally roll the shell out and too the painters

haven't done everything that i was going too been working on my mrs little 121 bubble that is an awesome little car and i use it more then my lexus so..... lol bit side tracked with it but ive done all i can now its time to get to the honda

[Jasemas]

Nice work with the parts and updates

[hondapop]

Been meaning to ask. What's the round thingy?

[Dooonster]

its a boss kit im not sure if im going to use it but i have one just incase lol

other then that im just trying to find a loom for a Y8 and then ill get started on wiring havent hit up any painters just yet been a bit lazy really

[Dooonster]

car and all parts are for sale Project is waiting for someone to pick it up where i left it unfortunately I'm moving to china again with my wife as her parents are not well and i have nowhere to put the car. my loss someone else s gain.

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?182020-Honda-city-ga2-project-car-half-done!

[hondapop]

That's sad to hear, in both instances. Hope someone can build on your good work and you recoup your input.