need help on new turbo setup

[stalis]

hey guys, im new to this forum and i was wondering if my xtreme sports organic stage 1 clutch able to withstand the task of a turbo, ill be running around 5psi, since i dont plan on getting any forged internals or an aftermarket ecu atm, what do you guys think about this? the car is a 96 dc2 vti-r, and what kind of turbo kits do you guys recommend, i was planing to get a ebay kit since i have quite a low budget due to uni and what not, looking to spend around $700

[fat_85_civic]

Not trying to put you off. But there is no way you will have a good turbo set up for $700. You won't even get a shit turbo set up for that amount.

I turbo my civic while at uni and it is done with quality parts and cost a lot. Don't do a half assed job, save up more and do it right or don't do it.

But, that clutch should hold up fine if your planning on only running 5psi.

[stalis]

how much do you think i should save up for a kit? i'm not aiming for any high numbers, but just wanted the added torque

[stalis]

i was even considering buying a ebay turbo kit, but using a nissan turbo instead? so id use the ebay ic piping and all that

[mugen_ctr]

Find a greddy kit for cheap or piece ur own kit, than factor in also tune an what ecu so all adds up to well over 2.5k to 3.5k

[jayeg]

basic kit will cost you atleast 3k it isn't cheap

[stalis]

dang, alright sweet cheers guys, might just save up for a b18cr, would probably be worth it in the long run

[EKVTIR-T]

dang, alright sweet cheers guys, might just save up for a b18cr, would probably be worth it in the long runpersonally I dont think its worth putting b18c7 into vtir

its already heavier so after the swap its still slower than dc2r

you could arguably turbo your current b18c for less than the c7+gbox swap and have a much faster and powerful setup

[honda_zivic]

i was even considering buying a ebay turbo kit, but using a nissan turbo instead? so id use the ebay ic piping and all that

only cast manifold an cooler kit is good everything else is fail.

[stalis]

personally I dont think its worth putting b18c7 into vtir

its already heavier so after the swap its still slower than dc2r

you could arguably turbo your current b18c for less than the c7+gbox swap and have a much faster and powerful setup

yeah but i heard the type r gearbox's aren't preferred for boost, besides the lsd, since its short ratio, it doesnt stay in boost as long as a vti-r gear box, this was on team-integra.net

[stalis]

personally I dont think its worth putting b18c7 into vtir

its already heavier so after the swap its still slower than dc2r


and i wouldn't chuck in a b18cr in to be faster than a type r, it would just be for fun, just that extra kick.

[mugen_ctr]

You seem to miss the point of turbo charging a car than say its not worth it, than opt for a engine swap which is going to be slower yet cost the same and yield considerable less power and torque vs a boosted b18c2 setup!

Just because a gearbox has short ratio doesnt mean "it wont stay in boost", i think u need to do more research before jumping the gun and saying Type-r gearboxes aint for boosted engines, because plenty of ppl have done boosted b18cr motor + gearbox setup and love it simply due to the nature of the engine power band combined with the shorter ratios, i think its fair to say that one of the down falls of a boosted type-R motor, b16b or b18cr is that they run high comp ratio, something like 11:1 so the margin of error is quite high verses something like a b16a2 10.2:1 or even a D16 which runs a 9.6:1

IMO if ur after fun than turbo is a no brainer, but it seems to me u just want the easy way out so stick to b18cr

[dougie_504]

Standard clutch would probably be fine, but your clutch certainly will be.

5PSI with what turbo? If it's an ebay kit it's probably a T3/T4 hybrid, in which case you'll be fine probably pushing 130kw atw?


If you're looking at a ebay kit consider the Godspeed kits from the USA. You can get them landed for around $1,100+ and the reviews I've seen from them on www.d-series.org have been very positive, consistently driven at 12PSI. Looks like quite a decent kit for the price. I'm considering one for later this year :)

[stndrd]

If you want ti boost it properly, a good quality kit from someone like full race will be around 4-5k landed + fuel system upgrades + ecu + fitting and tuning. It ends up being around 7-8k but you will find that the turbo kit will handle much more than your standard motor will handle.

In regards to an OEM clutch holding up, I will say probably not as the torque from the turbo will destroy the clutch, especially if you start clutch dumping.

In regards to your short ratio comment, look at WRC cars. Turbocharged animals that crank out 300hp and will go from 0-200 quicker than what most cars will make from 0-120. Short ratios have it benefits, but you need to look at where the car will be used most and gear it accordingly

[connorling]

proper ECU and tuning will be more than $700 budget anyway.

oem clutch will be fine depends on how you use them.
if u just dump the clutch every light, it wont last.
mine is still last after 5 years NA and 1year boost at 9.5psi.

and i dont even know what clutch i have, just whatever the clutch came with the engine from japan lol.

[jayeg]

http://www.hipowerracing.com/2013/04/cheaply-built-standard-b-series-approx-200300hp/

[Vvvtec]

$12k with ebay manifold? Is this real life

[dougie_504]

I reckon that's a joke. Less than 10 you can get yourself a proper pre-fab kit installed and tuned.

[EKVTIR-T]

http://www.hipowerracing.com/2013/04/cheaply-built-standard-b-series-approx-200300hp/hmmm

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/customprofilepics/profilepic2484_15.gif

[EKVTIR-T]

guise check out my new 12k turbo setup

oh yeah what it got

umm 300 china fmic,2nd hand t25,ebay manifold

MAADDDDDD

[jayeg]

its 100% real I got it from there website,
12k wtf is what I was thinking, you can piece toghter a custom 500hp kit for that.

[dougie_504]

I think it's an old setup surely? Stuff is cheaper now

[jayeg]

I think it's an old setup surely? Stuff is cheaper now

no if you read the bottom of the page it was posted April this year

[dougie_504]

Ah, I see. Well I still think the prices are inflated lol

[jayeg]

very inflated for that sort of coin you could build and motor plus get a good turbo kit,
but to turbo a Honda isn't exactly cheap either.

[mugen_ctr]

12k for a basic turbo build with no engine rebuilding!!?!?! fukkn epic of a joke!!!!

For 12k you coulda built a boosted honda engine, B or D series with atleast 400 - 500 hp, not a low puff 200 - 300 hp!!!!!!!

Who ever decided to say 12k was ok for 250 - 300hp would b laughing at the next guy who put the money down for the kit!

[jayeg]

it would be hard to build a 500hp b or d for 12k.
you would need a sleeved fully built motor which would sent you back 10gs,then the turbo kit to make that power would be 10gs.
then add in tuning and engineer cert trust me im in the middle of building a 400hp bseries now and I have spent a lot more then 12gs.

[stndrd]

Turbo kit to support 500whp is $4.5-$5k. Fuel system would be another $2-$3k. ECU and tune $1k+ then exaust & motor, really depends how far you wanna go.

Could get 500hp for $15k if done right

[jayeg]

you would be pushing for 15k labour is 3.5/4gs and if you don't have a bseries 2gs for a halfcut.
and for that power you need a sleeved motor.

[mugen_ctr]

Where did u get the figure for a 10k turbo kit? LOL, as josh pointed out 5k is more than enough imo, unless ur running a twin scroll turbo, with custom manifold tailored for it, than i can see why

if u know how use a spanner and a ratchet u could save hella alot of money on labor.... the only thing i wouldnt touch is opening the motor up an trying to diy the engine rebuild, but everything else, pulling, attaching turbz etc etc can be done at home so realistically 15k for 500hp is very possible..

Though since u are tryna get the thing engineered, thats a different story altogether, props for u tryna do it

[stndrd]

You can have a twin scroll turbo kit landed for $5k

$15k can be done if some of the work is done yourself, otherwise $20k would be a realistic price for drive in drive out

[nuk1ear]

yeh thats a lot of coin for not much gear...

[GT3Honda]

hey guys, im new to this forum and i was wondering if my xtreme sports organic stage 1 clutch able to withstand the task of a turbo, ill be running around 5psi, since i dont plan on getting any forged internals or an aftermarket ecu atm, what do you guys think about this? the car is a 96 dc2 vti-r, and what kind of turbo kits do you guys recommend, i was planing to get a ebay kit since i have quite a low budget due to uni and what not, looking to spend around $700

A good second hand turbo will cost around $300 from a wrecker (VG30 or some such). Then you can buy a cheap ebay manifold (but you will have to tig up supports for it and it will have a shelf life). Then you will need oil feed and oil drain (again welding, this time into the sump) and you will need another small misc stuff.

I SUPPOSE you could do it for $700, but you'd have to have great mechanical skills, great welding skills and know the possible problems (eg staying low boost so you dont blow your head gasket).