Headers for DC2R?

[etcha]

hi guys just want to know the best headers for a dc2 itr?
Whats better 4-2-1 or 4-1?
also where i can get my hands on a set and how much?

[zco]

try spoon/toda/mugen or the OEM JDM 98 ITR headers. i hear that the first three are about 1100-1400 brand new, and about 800 second hand. OEM one i've seen on forums for 300 secnd hand. good luck.

[thanh]

I heard that 4-2-1 is best for 2000rpm - 5000rpm, good for street
while 4-1 is best for 5000rpm - 8000rpm, which is good for track.

PLease correct me if im wrong as im getting one soon too.

[type one]

yeah 4-2-1 good for all round driving, mid range yada yada yada...
4-1 good for track yada yada yada...

[etcha]

thats abit too much for my pockets was looking at spendind around $600 to $700 dont really like second hand suff

[thanh]

second hand stuff is as good.... and save heaps $$$$$$

[type one]

yup Thanh is right. Nothing wrong with 2nd hand goods if they have been looked after... especially a durable item like a header.

[mr crex]

this is what I wrote on cRSX a few days ago regarding 4-1 headers.........

Finally got my JDM 4-1's installed today...
and I am extremely pleased with the result they have made.
I only installed the JDM4-1 w/ Honda donut Gasket & 2.5-2.25 adapter flange, still AUSDM catalytic converter and exhaust system...

I noticed pretty much identicle low end throttle/torque from idle-3500rpm (I thought I may loose power), better mid range 3500rpm-vtec point and at vtec+ I was tremendously impressed.

overall it has a much smoother feel, much clearer exhaust tone, and very noticable powerband, I found with the standard 4-2-1 that AUSDM DC2R's that you couldnt "hear" the engine rev's clearly and I also found the powerband to be a bit "rougher" if you know what I mean?

so for people who have been wondering if the hype over getting extractors/headers is all its cracked upto be I can assure you it is

I am sure if I was to upgrade to a mugen twin loop system or the like then the result would be even better, but I only wish to keep as stock as possible.

[itr025]

... dont really like second hand suff

hypothetical

$1500+ Mugen header
$800 Mugen header (2nd hand)

I'd have the 2nd hand one in a nanosecond. Providing the 2nd hand one isn't punctured or something, they will both do the exact same thing. It's not like they're a wearable item like brake discs, pads, light bulbs etc.

[etcha]

isnt that abit much for second hand jdm headers

[zco]

you get what you pay for

[edw-R]

Anybody body hear "maxi work" header (maybe the spelling wrong)?? Is it good??

[Jim80y]

If you have $$$ to spend, I would go either Toda or Spoon. On a budget, JDM 4-1 is awesome value for money.

[thanh]

what wrong with 5zigen headers?




If you have $$$ to spend, I would go either Toda or Spoon. On a budget, JDM 4-1 is awesome value for money.

[LAGOOT]

If you have $$$ to spend, I would go either Toda or Spoon. On a budget, JDM 4-1 is awesome value for money.
agree :thumbsup:

[itr025]

Can't forget MUGEN! ;)

[itr025]

Oh in case you're interested, I believe Tinkerbell still has his JDM 4-1 for sale.

[tinkerbell]

Oh in case you're interested, I believe Tinkerbell still has his JDM 4-1 for sale.

LOL, i already mentioned that i this thread - but it seems the mods in this place decided that it was naughty and deleted it,

ah well, it was worth a try eh ;)

thanks for the support :D

[itr025]

no worries, I'm only trying to help the person who started this thread...

kinda wierd how the T&C here doesn't always support this hey? ;)

[etcha]

yeah i know tinerbell,i thought i was trippin because i seen u had a pair of jdm ones 4 sale

[tinkerbell]

isnt that abit much for second hand jdm headers

yeah - i saw you even replied, but i was going to say "yes, i guess it is - but make an offer"

but i thought that this woudl confuse EVERYBODY!
--
the bottom line to your question is:

bang for your buck = JDM 4-1's

"quality" will cost you at least twice as much, eg Mugen/Toda

and second hand "quality" is very rare indeed - so if you see non-replica Toda/Mugen headers - grab em!!!

[etcha]

i had a guy pm me and asked me if i wanted replica mugen headers. what do u reckon?

[tinkerbell]

it woudl depend to me on the quality of the welding both inside and out, especially after the bit where the 4 pipes merge into the one...

this is called the "merge collector" and must be uncluttered and smooth...

[etcha]

dont want to spend too much money on the headers coz i need to change my mugen muffler, coz its making these tinging & clatering nosies when i back off hi revs. I think because its not a straight throo.(check my car specs 4 pics)
dont know if im right?
should i change it?

[etcha]

does any1 have a pic of what the jmd headers look like

[tinkerbell]

heaps of header pics here:

http://www.modacar.com/products/Acura/Integra/MODAHEA/

the JDM one is titled:

Honda of Japan Integra Type R Factory Header

[tinkerbell]

PS - compare the price of it to some "brand name" ones like Apexi and 5zigen and Greddy???

notice they are cheaper than the JDM one ;)

[TODA AU]

Bang for your bucks...
And you're serious about modifying your car...
You only buy top shelf parts when you can afford them.
In between, you save up & waste your money on nothing.

Alternativly,
If you simply must have something now,
Your maximum budget is $800 or less...
Honestly, you're not going to get a set of top shelf headers.
This realisticly puts you in the market fot a set of cheapies.
If you're going to get cheapies...
Spend $350 & get a set of X-Force 4~2~1's
Performance is as good if not better than the ugly JDM stockies & there's no contest on the bling.

Sure, they're no match for a set of real headers (Ie: TODA's)
But for the money, they're on par with the JDM's, no problem.

[justinfox]

TODA AU - so well said. Bravo!

[edw-R]

Does anyone hear "maxim works" header?? Does it worth?? I found it is the most expensive header in Japan. In Japan option magazine: For DC5 TODA 128000yen, Maxim works 148000yen.

[etcha]

found this in another thread:

Have a look at this (Dyno plots available):
http://bob123e.tripod.com/thegreatheadertest/
Baseline = 176 hp/119 tq

JDM Jun HP/TQ 186/ 138

JDM Spoon HP/TQ 187/ 138

JDM ITR 4-1 HP/TQ 185/ 137

Mugan mod. hytech HP/TQ 187/ 136

DC JDM 4-1 HP/TQ 187/ 137

Comptech 4-2-1 HP/TQ 187/ 137

JDM Toda HP/TQ 190/ 137

JDM Mugen HP/TQ 186/ 135

SMSP header HP/TQ 190/ 136

Type 1 HP/TQ 186/ 137

2.5" exhaust/test pipe HP/TQ 180/ 131

[justinfox]

VERY good link there. Awesome... the stock JDM is so much better than the stock USDM/AUDM and yes, Toda's are the best.

[etcha]

Baseline = 176 hp/119 tq (stock) to JDM ITR 4-1 HP/TQ 185/ 137
thats a pritty good jump for $500 dont u think?????

[keztec]

bang for buck is no good for headers on a vtir

[qup70c]

Anyone got figures for the x-forces? Im interested to see :thumbsup:

[tinkerbell]

Baseline = 176 hp/119 tq (stock) to JDM ITR 4-1 HP/TQ 185/ 137
thats a pritty good jump for $500 dont u think?????

yeah, across the whole rpm range too ;) not just top-end