K24 I/H/E bolt on efficiency

[cheapdouchebag]

Hi guys,

Long story short, car has past 200,000kms and I have the average compression of a average motor of this age should have which is about 150psi with little variance in all 4 cylinders which is 30psi lower than what i would have hoped as i was going to boost but have changed approach after that rude awakening.

The car is a Daily driver and with my busy schedule I don't really prefer going ahead with building a short block on the side while waiting for the engine to give out after a short period of boost.

So im thinking to commiting to a moddest N/A build starting with bolt-ons and a ems tuned accordingly.

Before I waste any more of my mechanics precious time i thought i'd ask this forum a question:

-Although engine wise its running pretty evenly, would the N/A build be fairly weak? How would the engine respond to the I/H/E combo tuned?

Currently have

-CAI
-Hytech replica 4-2-1 Headers + CAT to match.

Thinking about further improving the intake with a different manifold and throttle body as well. Also considering upgrading the vtc to suit.

Your help is greatly appreciated.
Thank you.

[eekayfo]

this is interesting, a cheap alternative to a full blown k20a swap. what are you likley to see on a stock engine with boltons (no cams but maybe vtc gear? whats it worth??) tuned. paired with a type r trans i imagine it would be quite a capable street/track setup. i dont know much about k series but i swapped a stock b20b8 into my ek, stock intake,with toda rep headers -catback and paired with a b16 box and s300. i much prefer this over the b16 for daily duties.

theres no replacement for displacement.

[newpaddy3]

Check out Vvvtec's build thread.

Stock K24, type r vtc and oil pump, I/H/E, 150kwatw.

[u mad?]

rrc, 3.5" intake, 70mm t/b, 3" zorst, 50vtc, type r oil pump, dc2.2, kpro, 4.7 fd hd clutch and dc5r flywheel

even with 160 atw will still be fairly slow for how much money this would cost lol

[RenzokukenJ]

Yh you will be fine m8

Just swap gearbok over as well

[cheapdouchebag]

Thank you all for the replies.

Just throwing it out there, lets say instead i wanted to go back to my original plans of supercharging the vehicle. Might not get enough info in the N/A section (sorry mods if im derailing from my own topic). Whats the chances of the motor blowing with lets say... a little bit under 200kw atw on a roots blower setup?

[u mad?]

Why would it blow up? If you get a good tune you will have nothing to worry about. Thats the way to go imo for a big heavy family car. would make a good peppy cruiser, and you'd surprise a few k swap cars lol.

[Adrian @ SAS]

Thank you all for the replies.

Just throwing it out there, lets say instead i wanted to go back to my original plans of supercharging the vehicle. Might not get enough info in the N/A section (sorry mods if im derailing from my own topic). Whats the chances of the motor blowing with lets say... a little bit under 200kw atw on a roots blower setup?

Your chances of blowing your engine up at a little bit under 200kw at the wheels are actually better than average.
Roots blower = massive inefficiency = very hot air induction = low power = oooooh try a little harder tuning the turd to please the customer = KaaaaBooooM!
Just sayin....
:D

[stndrd]

Must spread rep before giving it to Adrian again!

[Stevil]

lol love the generalized statement ' Your chances of blowing your engine up at a little bit under 200kw at the wheels are actually better than average ' WTF Adrian, so its worse than 50/50 !! hahaha You keep on delivering !!

[bennjamin]

lol love the generalized statement ' Your chances of blowing your engine up at a little bit under 200kw at the wheels are actually better than average ' WTF Adrian, so its worse than 50/50 !! hahaha You keep on delivering !!


If BYP said the same , you would of taken it as fact :0)


To OP - it also depends on what chassis your motor is in - remember a euro isn't going to feel results anywhere as effectively as a stripped EG or teg.

[Stevil]

Benjammin what you talk about ? I see a ridiclous statement that you have a better than average ( yeah I did Industrial Mathetmatics at Uni ) implying that the OP will have better than 50/50 chance of blowing his shit up.

So Benjammin do you really believe any boosted K24 producing more than 200kw atw has a 50/50 chance of blowing up ? you're a goose ! lol

[bennjamin]

Benjammin what you talk about ? I see a ridiclous statement that you have a better than average ( yeah I did Industrial Mathetmatics at Uni ) implying that the OP will have better than 50/50 chance of blowing his shit up.

So Benjammin do you really believe any boosted K24 producing more than 200kw atw has a 50/50 chance of blowing up ? you're a goose ! lol


Lol ! You didn't understand what Adrian was implying it seems. I mean LOL

[Stevil]

So I shouldnt take what Adrian wrote at face value ???? and I should speculate to as what he implying ..... lol mate put the shovel down.

[newpaddy3]

Benjammin what you talk about ? I see a ridiclous statement that you have a better than average ( yeah I did Industrial Mathetmatics at Uni ) implying that the OP will have better than 50/50 chance of blowing his shit up.

So Benjammin do you really believe any boosted K24 producing more than 200kw atw has a 50/50 chance of blowing up ? you're a goose ! lol

You need a refund on that course then mate.

[RenzokukenJ]

Benjammin what you talk about ? I see a ridiclous statement that you have a better than average ( yeah I did Industrial Mathetmatics at Uni ) implying that the OP will have better than 50/50 chance of blowing his shit up.

So Benjammin do you really believe any boosted K24 producing more than 200kw atw has a 50/50 chance of blowing up ? you're a goose ! lol
Wow

50/50 chance is very spot on. I mean really. Anything has a 50/50 chance to do anything. Anyone with any maths education knows this.

No wonder you go to byp

[bennjamin]

So I shouldnt take what Adrian wrote at face value ???? and I should speculate to as what he implying ..... lol mate put the shovel down.

Well. What I took at face value is exactly what he said. You run an inefficient supercharger on a higher ks motor , and request more power from it from tuner and it's very likely to blow up.

You are very defensive of BYP mate.

[carayan]

Benjammin what you talk about ? I see a ridiclous statement that you have a better than average ( yeah I did Industrial Mathetmatics at Uni ) implying that the OP will have better than 50/50 chance of blowing his shit up.

So Benjammin do you really believe any boosted K24 producing more than 200kw atw has a 50/50 chance of blowing up ? you're a goose ! lol

tell us more about your life time worth of experience building and tuning motors.

[newpaddy3]

Wow

50/50 chance is very spot on. I mean really. Anything has a 50/50 chance to do anything. Anyone with any maths education knows this.

No wonder you go to byp

50% of motors blow up m8. That's 1 in 2.

Many explosion. Such boom. BYP standards 4 lyfe.

[RenzokukenJ]

50% of motors blow up m8. That's 1 in 2.

Many explosion. Such boom. BYP standards 4 lyfe.
Tbh actually pat, we are both incorrect. It's more 1:1 ratio of motors blowing that byp have touched.

[newpaddy3]

Tbh actually pat, we are both incorrect. It's more 1:1 ratio of motors blowing that byp have touched.

My apologies, I was being conservative. You are indeed correct though.

[cbauto]

Put the shovel down

[bennjamin]

Tbh actually pat, we are both incorrect. It's more 1:1 ratio of motors blowing that byp have touched.

Guise pls.

Engines are sold before blowing so ain't anyone's fault.

[RenzokukenJ]

Guise pls.

Engines are sold before blowing so ain't anyone's fault.
Sorry, my mistake.

Cash sale, no receipt, no evidence either!

[newpaddy3]

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[RenzokukenJ]

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[newpaddy3]

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fixed.

thnx bby

[bennjamin]

Where is Stevil ?

[Stevil]

benjammin I find it interesting that you speak on Adrians behalf ? i was hoping Adrian would explain his comment, after all you keep on pumping him up !

As a moderator why are you behaving like a troll ? serious question, you seem to have either self esteem issues ? or you believe a Moderator should act like a douche, is everything OK at Home !

Where have I been ? Oh yeah had to go pick up my new fishin boat, been playing with it ;)

[bennjamin]

benjammin I find it interesting that you speak on Adrians behalf ? i was hoping Adrian would explain his comment, after all you keep on pumping him up !

As a moderator why are you behaving like a troll ? serious question, you seem to have either self esteem issues ? or you believe a Moderator should act like a douche, is everything OK at Home !

Where have I been ? Oh yeah had to go pick up my new fishin boat, been playing with it ;)

Don't mind me mate I'm not speaking on anyone's behalf - but I did agree with his comment implying an engine is only as strong as the tuner and if the customer pays and wants more it's likely to blow.
I don't think I was THAT bad I just feel you are strongly backing up BYP.
Anyway, enjoy the boat I'm looking at a tinny next tax time myself. You get a towbar it makes a world of fun from your car/4wd ;0)

[Stevil]

mate I didnt mention any tuners or mech ? I like to learn things, I dont back anybody but myself.

Yeah tinnies can be alot of fun, esp with a fwd car and wet steep boat ramps !! lol

[Super-DA9]

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[RenzokukenJ]

benjammin I find it interesting that you speak on Adrians behalf ? i was hoping Adrian would explain his comment, after all you keep on pumping him up !

As a moderator why are you behaving like a troll ? serious question, you seem to have either self esteem issues ? or you believe a Moderator should act like a douche, is everything OK at Home !

Where have I been ? Oh yeah had to go pick up my new fishin boat, been playing with it ;)
Shiet let the potato games begin

I'm still upset I didn't get to drive your car mate

[Super-DA9]

It's good that we're all mates in here mate