What are the dangers of changing just springs for euro? (need advice for CU2)

[kelvinator124]

Hello guys,

I'm currently questioning if i should get the eibach pro-kit since they are pretty trustworthy but , just want to ask does it actually kill the shock absorbers? and if it does how long before it actually dies??

I know you guys will say about getting coilovers but i want a smoother ride and not too firm. And also this particularly on the CU2 not the CL9.

That is why i need advice from people who are using springs on their CU2 and the thoughts on it




cheers guys

[I CU2]

I don't want to hijack this but can someone also tell me if I need to tell insurance that I have new springs even though it's still legal height?

Apparently you can feel everything on the road the lower you go.

[amant02]

Hello guys,

I'm currently questioning if i should get the eibach pro-kit since they are pretty trustworthy but , just want to ask does it actually kill the shock absorbers? and if it does how long before it actually dies??

I know you guys will say about getting coilovers but i want a smoother ride and not too firm. And also this particularly on the CU2 not the CL9.

That is why i need advice from people who are using springs on their CU2 and the thoughts on it
cheers guys

Eibach are known for their springs. Popular within the US crowd.
No one will be able to correctly answer how long before it dies, too many variables. But I'm pretty sure Eibach springs meet oem standards or exceeds them.
If you have put a descent amount of KM's on the current shocks, good idea to replace together. As its true that, the spring will cause the shock to die faster.

Good set of Monroe's would do for your need. If you ballar and want street cred, pretty sure Koni Yellow's are made for the TSX.

I don't want to hijack this but can someone also tell me if I need to tell insurance that I have new springs even though it's still legal height?

Apparently you can feel everything on the road the lower you go.

Who cares? I mean don't get me wrong. My insurance thinks my car is stock. But a claim has worked so far, she was inspected as well. (i wasn't at fault thou)

[axispower]

I bought King springs lows on the stock shocks. Thought i didnt care much and that it just needed lowering.

Within 4 months, I had bought Tein Street Basis coils for approx $900 bucks. never been happier. The stock shocks had been killed that quickly and ride quality was apalling

[amant02]

I bought King springs lows on the stock shocks. Thought i didnt care much and that it just needed lowering.

Within 4 months, I had bought Tein Street Basis coils for approx $900 bucks. never been happier. The stock shocks had been killed that quickly and ride quality was apalling

So true! Coilover>Spring + Shock setup.

I've always just used coil's, Do it once. Do it right.

Monoflex for the Accords are a nice Choice.


But hey if OP anit going to the track, why waste the dollars on coils?

[I CU2]

What do you guys think of H&R Springs?

[d1zzo]

I had tiens springs on mine..the ride is pretty good..i think it just depends how you drive on the road but i do recommend that get someone to change it..

I got a friend have pedders springs on his cu2..drives like good

[curtis265]

I bought King springs lows on the stock shocks. Thought i didnt care much and that it just needed lowering.

Within 4 months, I had bought Tein Street Basis coils for approx $900 bucks. never been happier. The stock shocks had been killed that quickly and ride quality was apalling
i suspect your shocks were already quite old? the shocks 'wear in' to a particular travel pattern, if they're too old they'll bust because they're not accustomed to that ride height/springrate

you're better off with aftermarket shocks and lowering it that way. That's how i had the lude dropped and it handled bootifully

[rokkuchan]

Tein Streets or Tein Comfort springs are my favourites for looking good while not sacrificing comfort.

Eibach tends to have higher spring rate so it's a little bumpy (i had eibach in my ex-S2000 as well - then went Monoflex). Shocks will handle no problems unless you're always bottoming out the shocks.

It's the amount of vibration from lowering with stiffer springs that will cause further wear and tear on other suspension components but this is if you drive harshly or lots of spirited driving. If you do this a lot then just better upgrade to coilovers and you will never regret it.

[axispower]

i suspect your shocks were already quite old? the shocks 'wear in' to a particular travel pattern, if they're too old they'll bust because they're not accustomed to that ride height/springrate

you're better off with aftermarket shocks and lowering it that way. That's how i had the lude dropped and it handled bootifully

Yes they definitely were already very old. But still, the ride quality became so awful after a matter of months just lowering it on springs- I just went straight for somewhat decent coils.

[kelvinator124]

Yes they definitely were already very old. But still, the ride quality became so awful after a matter of months just lowering it on springs- I just went straight for somewhat decent coils.

When u mean old, how many km's did the shocks do??

cheers

[axispower]

At least 60,000kms. If I were you - i'd do it right the first time. ALWAYS do it right the first time. Seriously.

[curtis265]

60000km is not particularly old, but it depends on the condition of your roads you frequent.

there is nothing wrong with lowering alittle bit and keeping a similar springrate provided the shocks are in the right condition

[amant02]

Look man it's your own money your gonna be spending.

If you have the dollars, do it one hit and just pay one lot of labour charges.

If you don't have enough atm, i suggest you save. Nothing more worse then spending more then you need too. (God I've made this mistake too many times)

Only go through with it, if your keeping the car. If only keeping the car for a short term. Just leave her stock, 95% of time you won't make your money back on mods.

There are penalty of people on here to vouch for that.

Also keep in mind, Good spring and shock combo will cost you as much as lower end coils. Which will outperform the spring and shock combo, but the reliability will be different.

[lilthug]

low end coilovers outperform a spring and shock combo??

really in what terms?

[amant02]

General all around low end coils are better. Just their build quality is bad and they tend to have high failure rates.

Other then that, for track performance the lower end coils will always be better.

[curtis265]

so a high failure rate is acceptable?

performance on more than just a perfectly smooth track is also a hugely important factor given it will be used there 99.99% of the time

[amant02]

Look I'm just passing my knowledge for OP to decided on HIMSELF.

I'm not telling him to buy coils this that. Thats up to him.

He just needs the knowledge.

Of course to me high failure rate is not acceptable. That's why I buy known and proven only.

From my previous post, I did say I suggest he just gets the springs and descent shocks to save himself the dollars.

When I do say high failure rate, we are talking about 15-10%.... or even less. More expensive the product gets the less likely its going to fail, due to a better build quality.

[amant02]

We gonna punch on?

[amant02]

look don't believe me, just PM one of the vendors here or walk into even your local pedders. They will all say the same thing.

Coils > Shock + Spring Setup.

[lilthug]

and yet u recommend a low end coil??

[integraR]

So true! Coilover>Spring + Shock setup.

I've always just used coil's, Do it once. Do it right.

Monoflex for the Accords are a nice Choice.


But hey if OP anit going to the track, why waste the dollars on coils?

Coilover doesn't mean it's better than spring and shock setup

the ride quality on yellow koni with eibach springs was way more comfortable than low end coils such as D2 which was bouncy every small bump

[integraR]

inb4
pedders coilovers = bor chuann br coilovers

[amant02]

Coilover doesn't mean it's better than spring and shock setup

the ride quality on yellow koni with eibach springs was way more comfortable than low end coils such as D2 which was bouncy every small bump

Take the same D2 setup to the track, your best time with D2 on ur car will better then spring +shock combo. That's the argument here I think.. atleast.

[lilthug]

inb4
pedders coilovers = bor chuann br coilovers

point??

pedders coilovers are made by bc racing

[lilthug]

Take the same D2 setup to the track, your best time with D2 on ur car will better then spring +shock combo. That's the argument here I think.. atleast.

u got it the other way around here buddy

[curtis265]

Take the same D2 setup to the track, your best time with D2 on ur car will better then spring +shock combo. That's the argument here I think.. atleast.

nah, harder does not necessarily mean better nor faster or even stronger.

tshh tshh tshh tshh tshh tshh tshh tshh

it's about being able to fine tune it with a wide range of settings, something that the cheap coils lack

[amant02]

I'm not gonna even try this time. Damn this spamfamily conspiracy against me.

[curtis265]

nothing personal, it's just wrong.

[amant02]

It's just what I've been advised, in my experience of modding a car.

By shops/vendors here/ people that I know have been doing this for awhile.

[RenzokukenJ]

Take the same D2 setup to the track, your best time with D2 on ur car will better then spring +shock combo. That's the argument here I think.. atleast.

Mind blow statement

My two preludes, one with coils and one with oem shock and eibach

Shock combo better for daily and performance.

Coils are annoying when daily and driving hard

Inb4"but that's just u m8"

[kelvinator124]

Thanks guys for the descriptive advice,

I will be opting for the spring shock combo since i would not be getting my car on the track, and since my setup for the car is for a daily so therefore i think the spring shock combo is the better option here.

But if i were to get my car on the track often and its setup for the track then i wouldn't have to post this thread as i would've gone for coilovers since, it has more variables to change (such as height and spring rate, etc) to setup the car for the best time on the track. Rather than saying the spring shock combo is bad, looking at the pros and cons coilovers are generally better in setting up for tracks. Quality and reliability are neglected since it depends on the brand usually.

[curtis265]

you can still change springrates and damping rates on a shock and spring combo.

also witha shock and spring you get a much better quality damper for the money. this is why nobody reputable will recommend cheap coilovers

[lilthug]

you can still change springrates and damping rates on a shock and spring combo.

also witha shock and spring you get a much better quality damper for the money. this is why will recommend cheap coilovers

dont get the last statement??

seem to be contradicting yourself

[curtis265]

whoops.

you're right. i'll fux it.

[amant02]

Oh don't get me wrong also, its not like they offered to sell me anything when I asked.

[ChaosMaster]

I agree with the spring and shock combo. It's just more of an issue where one has to match the springs and shocks properly. Can't go hard springs with something like basic Monroe shocks, would just ruin the ride. Having said that, I would go Tein/Eibach with Koni/Blistien combo over a basic Tein coilover anyday. Coilovers are much less work, and good for adjustability, but if you have a great setup to begin with, you'll hardly be wanting to mess around adjusting it anyways.