Jazz VTi CVT 2003 service recommendations please

[melahi]

I am new to Honda world. Just bought this Jazz VTi CVT 2003 160,000 KM .
There is a shudder from the CVT transmission and I believe it requires a service. I also want a mechanic to check the car for any other issues.

According to user manual Honda ATF-Z1 CVT fluid should be used. But someone says Honda now wants dealers to use CVTF (CVT Fluid) specially designed for CVT. So what type of CVT fluid is actually recommended?

I am looking for an affordable mechanic (who will not rip me off) to check the car along with CVT Transmission flush/service. A Transmission specialist is asking more than $320 for only CVT flush.
Any recommendations please?

As an expert Jazz user, could you please advise what other items should be checked?

I am in Perth south of the river. But I can drive anywhere in Perth for a recommended service.

:D Thanks in advance.

[lolmclol]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?181513-Advice-on-Jazz-(CVT-concerns)

[melahi]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?181513-Advice-on-Jazz-(CVT-concerns)
Thanks.
Any recommendations please?

[lolmclol]

Thanks.
Any recommendations please?

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?181346-Mechanic-in-Perth-s-southern-suburbs

[RenzokukenJ]

PM baby Face, he is jazz wizard srs

[melahi]

Can anybody comment on Valvoline SynPower CVT Synthetic Transmission Fluid 5 Litre Bottle + Shudder Fix from ebay: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Valvoline-SynPower-CVT-Honda-Jazz-Transmission-Service-Fluid-Shudder-Fix-/151206927763?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3AHonda&hash=item2334a29d93

[Jasemas]

Please use OEM CVT
You will have issues if you don't
Babyface had a jazz with a similar issue

[Fredoops]

ATF-Z1 is *NOT* the CVT fluid

DO NOT USE ATF-Z1 in CVT transmission.

[amant02]

Do this.

1. Go and buy OEM CVT Oil
2. Come home and jack up the car.
3. Open the Drain bolt and place a some sort of device to collect the draining oil.
4. Cut approx 1m of hose and attach it to the end of a funnel.
5. Put the hose into the gearbox dipstick hole. (there is no refill bolt in the gd3)
6. Refill Some Fluid till you see clear golden oil draining from your drain bolt.
7. Close the Drain Bolt.
8. Refill the fluid back in. *** Read about this step down ***
9. Drop your car back.
10. Take it for a 10 minute drive. Mixed driving, ensure to cycle thru all 7 gears and give it a fair few short bursts.
11. Repeat from step 1. nb. If you have done this say 5 times and still experiencing same issue, then its safe to guess shes gone. But get her checked out.

Okay so about step 8... every time I've done this, there has been different amounts of old oil drained out. I think this is due to oil left behind somewhere inside. This is why we need to keep flushing to ensure that we have replaced all of the fluid. Always check the dip stick to ensure you have put enough oil back on a flat surface. Check oil level before and after drive. I think its done after drive amount, well that's how I measure.

Tools Needed: 17MM Wrench, Funnel, 1m Hose, Cones, Cool beverage of your choice and heaps of CVT Fluid. - This will be much faster if you get the missus to leave you alone for the day.

Also as mentioned above, since your from perth PM BabyFace. He loves his jazz's and his from Perth.

[melahi]

Thanks for your help.
I am new to Honda, so not confident about the task and location of the drain plug.
Any video tutorial/Pic available?

I think I need a professional to do the CVT fulid replace/flush. Hope If I see the procedure then I can do it next time.

Due to expense, I do not want to go to the Dealers for this service. Need some recommendations please.

Also I have already sent a message to BabyFace and waiting for his reply.

[Baby Face]

as amant said you can go through that and do it yourself doing a flushing of the oils and that by changing it and driving it then changing it again, dont worry about the 7 gears thing as they are not mechanical gears it wont matter i dont think.

You can have the CVT flushed at Honda but it will be expensive, they use 4 times the usual amount of CVT fluid and pump it through the Gearbox etc in an attempt to rid of impurities. Thats why it costs so much to flush, because they use so much oil, and then charge their labour. I would recomend this if it hasnt been done before.
if it has been done and no effect then your really out of options other than changing the start clutch which can cost around 1000-2000$. up to you whether you think its worth it.

But heres my advice either try what amant said, or get the flush. if it helps from then on just do the CVT oil change with every engine oil change at no more then 10,000kms.

[sensei_]

as amant said you can go through that and do it yourself doing a flushing of the oils and that by changing it and driving it then changing it again, dont worry about the 7 gears thing as they are not mechanical gears it wont matter i dont think.

You can have the CVT flushed at Honda but it will be expensive, they use 4 times the usual amount of CVT fluid and pump it through the Gearbox etc in an attempt to rid of impurities. Thats why it costs so much to flush, because they use so much oil, and then charge their labour. I would recomend this if it hasnt been done before.
if it has been done and no effect then your really out of options other than changing the start clutch which can cost around 1000-2000$. up to you whether you think its worth it.

But heres my advice either try what amant said, or get the flush. if it helps from then on just do the CVT oil change with every engine oil change at no more then 10,000kms.

Despite the high costs of servicing at Honda, this is actually one service I recommend doing at the dealership because they do it so well.

Alternatively, you could bring it to any (trusted) mechanic with a transmission flush machine, hook up the hoses, and let the machine do its job. Just be prepared to buy lots of CVT fluid and pay for the labor.

[Limbo]

I would just do a couple of short interval CVT oil changes. Its very hard to flush a gearbox unless your pulling it apart.

[melahi]

Update:
CVT Fluid changed (approx. 4 Liter Honda CVTF). The existing fluid was very dirty, hence caused shuddering.
Good news, CVT feels much more smoother now. Shuddering has been reduced by 75%.

I think it needs another CVTF change. Planning to do it with the next scheduled engine oil change (within next 6K).

Is the CVT fluid filter needs a change according to this guide?: http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/1st-generation-gd-01-08/61125-diy-t-fluid-filter-pics.html

[sensei_]

i would be changing the filter on the last round of changing the fluid.

so if you plan to drain it 3 times, i would change the filter on the last flush. and keep up to date thereafter.

[Baby Face]

i wasnt aware that the CVT ones even had filters, but it makes sense.
the AT in the American models though are NOT CVT. so if u cant find that filter dont be surprised ahaha.

[melahi]

so if u cant find that filter dont be surprised ahaha.
Correct!
Still could not find the filter anywhere.

[Limbo]

from what i rem i don't think the CVT has a filter.
I've just changed the CVT oil