DC2 Suspension Upgrade

[CloseFX]

Hey, looking to upgrade the suspension on my DC2. I currently have coilovers with adjustable dampening (don't know the brand), slightly lowered (don't know exact height) and stock camber.

I would like to get the full works brand new, but I'm not sure on brand and what sort of style. I'd like to upgrade to fully adjustable, slight camber and slightly lower.

All suggestions on any of the above parts are greatly appreciated :)

Thanks in advanced.

[Vvvtec]

http://www.notarasmotorsport.com.au/product_images/n/924/eg6-n1__20065_zoom.jpg

http://www.toda-racing.co.jp/en/product/damper/dc2.html

[DreadAngel]

It would help to tell us what you're using your car for and your budget?

Otherwise we could recommend all sorts of craziness [$3k+]

[CloseFX]

good point. i'm just using my DC2 on the street, not track, but i'd like performance. im not too concerned about cost but i dont wanna go ridiculous amounts let's say <$3k if that'll still get me decent stuff.

[EKVTIR-T]

good point. i'm just using my DC2 on the street, not track, but i'd like performance. im not too concerned about cost but i dont wanna go ridiculous amounts let's say <$3k if that'll still get me decent stuff.do you like stiff and bit bumpy or smooth ride?

need height adjust or set once and forget?

[CloseFX]

its pretty stiff now, it doesnt bother me. set once and forget would be ok and i guess cheaper but probably height adjust would be better but again open to either

[androo]

Slightly off topic but with the kms and age of the car, I'd recommend investing some of that money in new bushings as well.

[CloseFX]

22xxxx (cant remember exact off the top of my head) and its a '98 vtir

[bennjamin]

OP

is the suspension bottomed out ? Can it be adjusted any more?

If it can and is dual perch adjustable- id consider to simply upgrade rear or front and rear swaybars to increase handling potential.

But if all you want is more lows and more cambers then I can't help. Check your existing setup and see if it can get you where you want. Also speak to JDMYARD In regards to an adjustable camber kit front and or rear

[Baby Face]

going to need more than coils to get camber.

if u go low tho you should see enough camber i think.

if u want more or less than you either go lower or higher or get camber arms all round.

would recommend rear camber arms and front extended ball joints plus new Trailing arm bushings (these wear out commonly).

but definately look at your bushings, doesnt matter what coils you have if your bushings have gone bad

[CloseFX]

the bushings probably explains the slight squeaking i get when going over speed bumps... i dont think the suspension is bottomed out. however, i dont want to keep my current set up cause i don't know what the previous owner did with it. rear camber arms and front extended ball joints? why choose that over camber arms all round? I'll check out my bushings on the weekend.

[Baby Face]

camber arms all on front have been said to slip on the odd occasion.
rear camber arms are screw in/out so they cant slip.

front extended ball joints are also just to replace ur old worn out ones.
i think you can get offset ball joints for the front that will give u that camber. but its not controlled. just go low and determine if u really want more. for street the act of lowering it will give it about as much camber as you will need. unless u want a stanced look.

squeeking is commonly associated to trailing arm bushings or maybe Rear LCA bushes or squeeky shocks.

imo organise as many bushings as you can, then worry about coilovers, your coils might just come to life with the rectified rubber making your car more comfortable and more predictable/sporty

PS: rear camber arms will replace one Rubber bushing straight away so thats why i suggested rear

[CloseFX]

Big help. Thanks a lot Baby Face. So looks like rear camber arms, extended ball joints and new bushings are my next step. Thanks a lot guys

[dougie_504]

Ben makes a good point. Sway bars and a subframe brace will make it a lot stiffer.

[dove grey 64]

Some people spend heaps of money trying to get shit coilovers to handle better ie. Swaybars etc, its all a band aid fix masking the true problem.
Buy good quality suspension like shockworks and check over/replace your bushes.

[bennjamin]

Some people spend heaps of money trying to get shit coilovers to handle better ie. Swaybars etc, its all a band aid fix masking the true problem.
Buy good quality suspension like shockworks and check over/replace your bushes.


You stated swaybars as a band aid fix - and then mentioned shockworks are a quality suspension ?

Im not a professional race car driver but i do know for a fact that upgraded front and rear swaybars are far more influential / effective on a road car than any type of coilover. There is debate whether hardcore coilover setups VS big swaybars are the way to go on true race cars though.

Shockworks are a brand made in Korea and resold / touched up in Australia , they are not high quality. Not poor just not built for longevity like most german or high end japanese brands

[DreadAngel]

Some people spend heaps of money trying to get shit coilovers to handle better ie. Swaybars etc, its all a band aid fix masking the true problem.
Buy good quality suspension like shockworks and check over/replace your bushes.

You're correct on crap coilovers [This can be budget or name brand ones] but Swaybars are NOT a band aid fix.


You stated swaybars as a band aid fix - and then mentioned shockworks are a quality suspension ?

Im not a professional race car driver but i do know for a fact that upgraded front and rear swaybars are far more influential / effective on a road car than any type of coilover. There is debate whether hardcore coilover setups VS big swaybars are the way to go on true race cars though.

Shockworks are a brand made in Korea and resold / touched up in Australia , they are not high quality. Not poor just not built for longevity like most german or high end japanese brands

Correct...

Shocks & Springs/Coilovers are one part of the handling equation. Swaybars/Anti-Roll Bars, Bushes, Tyres and Alignment/Geometry are the rest of the equation. Yes its possible to make your car 'tort' by using insanely stuff coilovers but the price you pay comes when your car is in adverse situations. We want the car to go fast but in a controlable and predictable manner. That's where the remainder of the equation helps us.

On the track, its the same thing, everything needs to be considered, any weak link will be exposed.

[dougie_504]

Having done coilovers on both my cars but sway bars on only one of them I can comfortably say I will only be doing sway bars next time maybe will a bit of lowering. The sway bars at least give you that roll resistance you want but without the discomforts affiliated with coilovers like going over bumps etc.

[DreadAngel]

Having done coilovers on both my cars but sway bars on only one of them I can comfortably say I will only be doing sway bars next time maybe will a bit of lowering. The sway bars at least give you that roll resistance you want but without the discomforts affiliated with coilovers like going over bumps etc.

This ;)

[EKVTIR-T]

so if you put only coilover on stock dc2 then put only upgraded sways,which one will be faster on touge/track?

[Super-DA9]

Shockworks are a brand made in Korea and resold / touched up in Australia

That's it. They are Korean NeoTech coilovers re-branded as Shockworks.

[EKVTIR-T]

Shockworks dampers are tuned and manufactured with OEM quality standards and testing requirements

[mocchi]

shockworks coilover are the best in market atm

[dove grey 64]

As above have stated. Yes shockworks are made in korea, by neotech which is a oem supplier manufacturer.
They are not touched up and resold with new stickers. Shockworks does all the drawings, tuning and valving here in Melbourne, builds the prototypes and then gets Korea to make them and send them back here.
That means for us we can get oem quality suspension at a reasonable price, to get the equivalent quality in another brand for example ohlins you would be paying over 6k.
You guys talk about the discomfort of stiff coilovers, you haven't driven on proper coilovers. I fitted shockworks to my wifes forester gt, which she uses to drive my 2 kids under 4yrs old around.
A properly tuned suspension with adequate valving and spring setup negates the need for aftermarket sway bars for fast road use. By all means wtac and wrc cars may need bigger sway bars but your fast road setup does not. Most drift guys remove their sway bars when using shockworks.

I dont work for shockworks, I just have 3 cars with their setups and recommend their setups when people are asking for advice because im really happy and impressed with what they offer and after sales support is top notch aswell.

[dove grey 64]

You stated swaybars as a band aid fix - and then mentioned shockworks are a quality suspension ?

Im not a professional race car driver but i do know for a fact that upgraded front and rear swaybars are far more influential / effective on a road car than any type of coilover. There is debate whether hardcore coilover setups VS big swaybars are the way to go on true race cars though.

Shockworks are a brand made in Korea and resold / touched up in Australia , they are not high quality. Not poor just not built for longevity like most german or high end japanese brands

Im not here to start beef but you said in a nutshell not built to last, there is a r34 that has shockworks in it for the last 4 years, daily driven up in the hills which is where their testing grounds are due to harsh road conditions, the coilovers have never been rebuilt.
Ive had bilsteins, and friends of mine have had numerous greddy, hks and other japanese setups.
Every one that has been for a drive in my cars ditches their setups and buys shockworks.

Again not trying to start beef, Bennjamin if you are in melb I would like to take you for a drive

[Shockworks]

Hey guys, just signed myself up last week, applying for sponsorship now actually so i'll be throwing up some threads soon. Managed to find myself an ED with 35,000 k's on the clock and a cheap d16y1 so i'll be throwing up a build thread soon. After driving my brothers 9.5k redline EK i realy fell in love with the hondas. The biggest part of tuning them is the massive leverage ratio on the dampers(probably the reason i've seen so many people running such high spring rates). Anyway, due to the response of our damper and the 20 years of experience we have tuning(From ford, holden, through to BMW, Mercedes & Land Rover) We've really been able to find a sweet spot, where we can get slow, controlled body roll, without making the ride too harsh at all. Keep in mind we don't make 'stiff' set ups, stiff cars con't allow enough roll onto the tyre and while they might make the car feel flat and predictable and make you feel like you're driving a 'race' car, they don't necessarily have higher corner speeds(have a look how much movement V8 supercars get while cornering, keep in mind they're also on slicks). So far i've tuned a DC2 VTir. The ED, the EK and S2000 and will be doing the later model civic and integra in the next month so i'll be sure to keep you all posted with how we do. Just to note for anyone interested we sold out of our last honda stock pretty quick so have more on the way which will be here in August. Cheers.

[Shockworks]

Also until you actually see the internals of damper don't go just writing it off because it's not from Japan or Germany. We spent over a year looking for a manufacturer that met our quality standards(dad coming from an OEM background and part of the warranty team was very particular about certain aspects of the damper). Chrome shaft finish, seal quality, piston and guide quality. If anyone is in Melbourne and feels like coming up for a drive to check out the workshop and what we do you're mor ethan welcome. Happy to organise a Honda group day if i get enough interest as well, i'll be campaigning the ED a lot.

[lilthug]

welcome to ozhonda brett

[EKVTIR-T]

wow they must have tracking program

1st time mentioned and suddenly arrive



btw most of ozhonda like BC due to cheap and very low for stance,also not bad on track

[mocchi]

wow they must have tracking program

1st time mentioned and suddenly arrive



btw most of ozhonda like BC due to cheap and very low for stance,also not bad on track

yeah bc br gold best in market atm

[dougie_504]

As above have stated. Yes shockworks are made in korea, by neotech which is a oem supplier manufacturer.
They are not touched up and resold with new stickers. Shockworks does all the drawings, tuning and valving here in Melbourne, builds the prototypes and then gets Korea to make them and send them back here.
That means for us we can get oem quality suspension at a reasonable price, to get the equivalent quality in another brand for example ohlins you would be paying over 6k.
You guys talk about the discomfort of stiff coilovers, you haven't driven on proper coilovers. I fitted shockworks to my wifes forester gt, which she uses to drive my 2 kids under 4yrs old around.
A properly tuned suspension with adequate valving and spring setup negates the need for aftermarket sway bars for fast road use. By all means wtac and wrc cars may need bigger sway bars but your fast road setup does not. Most drift guys remove their sway bars when using shockworks.

I dont work for shockworks, I just have 3 cars with their setups and recommend their setups when people are asking for advice because im really happy and impressed with what they offer and after sales support is top notch aswell.


My Bilsteins are comfortable on the road IMO.

But if you want to go on a long drive all day out in the country you get tired of the bumps.

What people want most is roll resistance. Nothing wrong with starting with sway bars...

[neut]

Thoughts on Swift springs on another brand coilovers? How does Shockworks coilover springs compare to Swift springs? Can we purchase shockworks coilover with Swift springs?

[Shockworks]

We have an OEM grade spring manufacturer, they supply to GM, Hyundai, Kia and Mercedes. Consistent rates and no sag. We have been very happy with our supplier so feel no need to change. As far as bars go we tune all our kits on standard. In our experience we've found larger bars to increase lateral movements and road copying and can too easily change balance. I've actually been playing around with my S13 daily tuning with no bars at all and have had some fantastic results. Obviously as a cheap upgrade when you don't have $1800 and just want some roll control it may be a decent idea but we revert all our cars to standard once our shocks have been fitted.

[bennjamin]

Shockworks no issue with you joining up suddenly to defend your goods - can I just ask your replies be neutral and informative and not plugging your goods in any way or form.
PS have you sent Wynode a PM in regards to becoming a trader ? If not please do :)

[Shockworks]

sorry ben,
i actually signed up because i bought a clean ed hatch and asked around as to which forum to join and speak with other honda owners about hondas in general. while i do come from a suspension company i am also an automotive enthusiast.
working in my trade and comparing lots of different suspension types i am going to share what i have learnt with other people to help their cars handle better, my father and i started our own company not to jump in on a market and make a quick dollar but to put out a quality product, we dont advertise in magazines, we live off word of mouth and our customers ,dove grey 64, for example share their experience with our product. what better then actually speaking to another enthusiast to get real world feedback on something.
when people start giving misguided information about the quality of our product or where/who makes them we/I do my best to set things right quickly as to avoid confusion.
not everybody can justify spending $1800-2k on a suspension setup, our dealers constantly tell us that our price is too low compared to other kits of similar value ie. ohlins and bilstein, but we arent about making massive margins, we honestly just want people to have better/safer setups.

i all honesty i was not plugging my goods and apologise if i gave you that impression.
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[dougie_504]

Cute dog. And your grass is very green. Do you water your lawn or it just comes up that nice naturally?


Nice ED btw.

[lilthug]

brett so we dont clutter up this thread

make an introduction post here

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?19-Introductions

[DreadAngel]

My Bilsteins are comfortable on the road IMO.

But if you want to go on a long drive all day out in the country you get tired of the bumps.

What people want most is roll resistance. Nothing wrong with starting with sway bars...

Can't be beat Bilsteins...


Thoughts on Swift springs on another brand coilovers? How does Shockworks coilover springs compare to Swift springs? Can we purchase shockworks coilover with Swift springs?

Swift Springs are one of the best spring manufacturers around. Match them with I dunno, Bilstein shocks/coilovers and done =)

[neut]

Sweet. :) im glad i have em on my coilovers 14k front 10k rear. Custom valved.