Another Home Turbo Install!!!!!

[barefootbonzai]

Howdy all,

I have finally found the time to start my turbo install. Just thought i'd share it with the rest of you all. Day one is over... and all i've managed to do is install the new fuel pump and injectors. Injectors was a bitch!!!! RC engineering Injectors did not fit directly into my engine. I had to grind them down about 1mm all the way around to get them to fit into the IM. Pics of yesterday are below. Probably won't start again till next week, will keep you posted.

http://www.users.tpg.com.au/duydang/turbo/1.JPG

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[sheepo]

DUDE! can't wait for the next steps :) how much it cost you for the parts though?

[Weq]

looking good :)
the rc's should of fit fine. just put them and then tighten the rail down and they will slip in...

[wynode]

I didn't know inejectors go into the TB ? ;) just kiddin.

Looks good though.....keep us posted on your work!

[barefootbonzai]

Nar they definitely didn't fit. I spent 2 hours grinding off 1mm all the way around. Whoops, intake manifold...

[CHU85]

sure u couldn't of just got diff. o ring seals?
cos my rc's didnt fit into my plenum, or was is my aem rail?
is that a coupe or hatch civic?

[epren]

nice good luck diy IS COOL
would like to know the result
wat ecu u are running??

[tRipitaka]

http://www.users.tpg.com.au/duydang/turbo/7.JPG

TRIAL or TIAL ? :confused:

[barefootbonzai]

Hey CHU85, you're also around brissy, would love to check out your car. Have a bit of a show down once i'm up and running ;) And yeah, i've got a coupe.

Epren i'm just gonna use a VAFC to control the fuel delivery.

[barefootbonzai]

Lol TIAL it is. Never even paid attension. Always just thought it was TRIAL

[ProECU]

yeah, I had the same issue with my RC's. The O-rings needed modification, I just sanded them back with a file, while spinning then on the end of a drill bit... worked a charm.

[Mugen boy]

dude are you sure you goin to get enouge tune ability and fuel for that turbo, especially only using a vafc,??? i have them same turbo on my integra , just be careful wouldnt want you leaning out that vtec engine to death.......

[Mugen boy]

but other than that enjoy , i personally know how hard those turbos spool, i will soon be pushin 16psi through my teg.

[Boost Cruisin]

so this is the Drag turbo kit yeah?

[barefootbonzai]

Mugen Boy what you running for fuel mangement? I hope the VAFC will hold, it's doin fine so far running the 440CC injectors.

Yeah, this is pretty much the Drag kit with upgraded fuel pump, waste gate, and BV. With the additions of RC injectors and VAFC.

[pornstar]

why would he lean out with a vafc?

[**Ghost**]

wow this is expensive : )

is this what ppl refer to as a VAFC hack|?

[panda[cRx]]

oooh keep us updated on the install and once its in the performance/reliability of it.

[Sp3rMz]

How much have you paid for the turbo kit?

[WPN.22R]

oooh oooh im calling LINE UPS!!! hahahaa looking good!! your going to love boost:D

[Mugen boy]

Mugen Boy what you running for fuel mangement? I hope the VAFC will hold, it's doin fine so far running the 440CC injectors.

Yeah, this is pretty much the Drag kit with upgraded fuel pump, waste gate, and BV. With the additions of RC injectors and VAFC.

i am running a stand alone haltech e6x , so i have full tunabilty of my engine, i am guessing that the vafc gives you the same amount of tunibilty as a safc, it might just give you enough extra fuel at low boost, unsure wat the go is with the injectors i have the same but bigger and they are ****ing awsome for fuel delivery ,

anyway dont take me to seriously you proberly be fine with wat the vafc will let you do , i am interested to see wat gains you get cos i am soon goin to bolt a vtec head to my motor insearch of more kws.


lets us know hos it goes, sorry to worry you

[integrity]

so how much u get the whole turbo kit for including the fly wheel (no clutch)
if so can i get the distributor and contacts too?

[barefootbonzai]

Kit arrived in Australia at my house is just a little over $4500. No injectors, VAFC, clutch or flywheel.

[Sp3rMz]

Dam watta ball breaker. Wish i had the cash.

[ProECU]

Kit arrived in Australia at my house is just a little over $4500. No injectors, VAFC, clutch or flywheel.


you got RAPED!

[[stealth]]

hahaa... any updates yet?

[barefootbonzai]

The price was alright when it only cost me $3500ish. But then bam, $600ish for shipping and $500ish for customs. The price I pay for being adventurous.

No updates yet. Was going to install the clutch but looks too hard for DIY, so need to save up some $$ for a shop to do it. Will start actual turbo install probably friday nite.

[puffymom]

why did u get a new clutch?

[Weq]

cause he''ll need it

[ProECU]

indeed he will.

good to see its a sprung ceramic!


cause he''ll need it

[wynode]

For sure.......damn!

Changing the clutch ain't ALL that hard. Why not have a go?

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12789&highlight=tranny

[Integra]

Another $400? for labour

[tekling]

how many psi can it run

[smoknhothonda]

Why do u think he got raped ProECU?

From my experience thats about normal for a drag kit with a T3/T4 BB, front mount etc etc you arent planning on running the malpassi FEU r u?

That turbo will handle more boost then that motor or VAFC will handle, easily 18-20psi and around 400 odd ponies!! :D

Who did you buy your kit, clutch, and injectors through banzai? And are those RC injectors 450cc?

Congrats on the kit man, like every1 here im keen on cing the final results, I have pieced together a similiar kit for my accord (F22B1)

[ProECU]

I didnt realise it was imported, sale price is fair....
definately was raped on TAXES.... damn govt!

[CHU85]

taxes suck dude.
should of asked the shop from the states to only value the products for 200bucks or so. Then u only end up paying jack all.
Still good luck when u get it running.
U in Brisbane?

[barefootbonzai]

Yeah, I'm in brisbane. PM'd ya.

[CHU85]

wat pm?\

[Stoosh]

private msg, sorta like an email on the forums
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/private.php?folderid=0
theres link

[LVNIT]

Couple of questions for you.

Using 'the hack' Im presuming that you are going to leave the timing? Are there any plans on upgrading in the future to complete control?

And if you order something from America, when and how do you pay the excess? GST etc?

[barefootbonzai]

Just an update.... NOTHING!!! Getting clutch installed by a pro on wednesday....



Sorry CHU85 i forgot to get around to it. Check your PM now. And I love your ride.

[barefootbonzai]

You just pay the taxes when it gets here. The customs joint will call you up and make you pay for it or they keep it. And yeah, maybe i'll get an upgrade on my ecu sometime down the track. I'm broke as at the moment.

[LVNIT]

Yea I see where your coming from, it aint cheap ;)

GL

[SiR JDM]

Pardon my ignorance if this has already been covered, but what ECU will you be using?
Stock + Piggy back? Stand-alone?

[barefootbonzai]

Stock + VAFC

[puffymom]

can u let me know how much the pro gonna charge u for the clutch install?

[barefootbonzai]

Clutch and Flywheel was brought from a Ozhonda dealer.

"edw-R"
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17904

Seach him up for great deals. He even does requests so just hit him up for anything you may be after. Plus he was in brisbane, so i just swang by and picked up the goodies. Clutch install is being down by my friend (his a machanic) for $220. Mates rates ;)

[poweredbyhonda]

Sell the VAFC and get a fully programmable ECU. I did the hack way and ended up getting a rebuild. Learn form other peoples mistakes. I've been there 3 years ago so I would have a bit of a clue. ECU is the most important part of the turbo kit. Without it you pretty much have a useless car/kit.

[smoknhothonda]

I can understand that the VAFC isnt the ideal EMS, but for some ppl on a budget it helps.

From my experiences the VAFC would be best avoided if possible, running only low boost (6-8PSI) providing you are running an injector/pump upgrade with the package tuned on the dyno.

How much boost were you running, and how many kays had you done poweredbyhonda when you had a 'meltdown'??

[LVNIT]

Sell the VAFC and get a fully programmable ECU. I did the hack way and ended up getting a rebuild. Learn form other peoples mistakes. I've been there 3 years ago so I would have a bit of a clue. ECU is the most important part of the turbo kit. Without it you pretty much have a useless car/kit.

There are many people in America who have been using 'the hack' for 12 + months and who have not had a problem. In saying that, im sure there are a few who have had problems...

BUT using the AFC is a good way for people to build a cheap turbo setup and who only want to run 10psi :) Of course now there are more options around which are safer..

[Weq]

the main problem with the hack is timing retard. RUnning stock advance at 10psi can be a dangermix with a b16a. u can go with a static retard at the dist, but u loose some driveability and tuneability.

[LVNIT]

I found a thread on Turbod16.com where they checked the actual amount of timing that was advanced. Came to about 7.25 degrees I believe and that was at 6psi, I dunno, ill find the thread somewhere...

[ProECU]

that sounds like a LOT of timing to me at 6psi

[barefootbonzai]

All you ECU experts out there, what do you recommonded me getting? I guess another Grand or so wouldn't hurt. I've gone this far, might as well go all the way. Just point me to what and how much i'll be looking at and where to grab one from.

And just an update, i've got my clutch in. It's a little trickyer to drive, but i'm sure i'll get use to it soon.

[LVNIT]

You can get Uberdata running for about $1200 and that includes a wideband oxygen sensor. But depends on how much you want to learn...

It is an option though :)

[tinkerbell]

microtec LTX8 for about $1250 with handcontroller from DynoDave on here,

plus $660 install and tuning...

dont quote me, but i recon those prices are about right ;)

microtec is fuel and timing, just not the best resolution in terms of maps...

but does the trick if you are hard up for cash...

wayyyy better than VAFC...

problem is he is in sydney :(

[McChook]

microtec LTX8 for about $1250 with handcontroller from DynoDave on here,

plus $660 install and tuning...

dont quote me, but i recon those prices are about right ;)

microtec is fuel and timing, just not the best resolution in terms of maps...

but does the trick if you are hard up for cash...

wayyyy better than VAFC...

problem is he is in sydney :(
Yeah, sounds right to me....

Microtech = the way to go

Although, Hondata wouldn't be so bad either

[[DC2]]

how much did it cost u 4 all the parts?

[MR-VTEC]

read the thread^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[LVNIT]

Here is the link of the actual timing advance using apexi safc

http://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=8210.0

7.2 is peak timing @ 5-6 psi and then it begins to drop as low as .8 @ 10 psi

Hope that helps you out a bit :)

[Javed]

Looks good mate, I am eager like everybody else to see the final result :) I have always wanted to see a thread on a DIY turbo kit install!

[CHU85]

yeah hondata would be good. but like my prob. was, only APC do hondata.
Unless u wait for dyno dave to come up on one of his visits and tunes it for u.
That'd be worth it

[barefootbonzai]

So here's some pics from tonite. Quite happy with the progress, we have managed to pull everything apart. Just about to head to my uncles to get my oil pan tapped since none of us can weld. At this rate i should be driving by tomorrow nite. I'll will be using the AFC hack for the week, have made the decision to get Hondata next week. BLKCRX is comming to brissy and i've booked myself in for him to give my baby the run over.

http://www.users.tpg.com.au/duydang/turbo/15.JPG

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[Javed]

Damn even I am getting excited and it isn't even my car!! It is gonna be awesome :)

[Weq]

curious. why did u pull the radiator?? gl with the install. that bottom end looks in good condition (oil wise)

[tinkerbell]

curious. why did u pull the radiator??

makes it easier to remove/fit manifolds...

("spend a minute - save a mile...")

[Weq]

makes it easier to remove/fit manifolds...

("spend a minute - save a mile...")

but it doesnt!

[smoknhothonda]

What Hondata ECU are you planning on using? ATM am unsure of what way Im gonna go for my ECU, after a few PM"s from Dyno dave he has been happy with the Hondata ECU"s compared to the AEM EMS that I was originally intending on running....

Have you looked into running Uberdata at all, (Poid is running it on his accord) as far as I know it works in the same principle as Hondata but the software is free :D

[WPN.22R]

taking out the radiator IS a lot easier when it comes to fitting up the manifold and stuff. the radiator should probably go back on last!

[Weq]

no it isnt. whats 'and stuff' and why does taking the radiator out help? if he removed the condenser/fan, then i would agree.

[barefootbonzai]

Why argue for, lets all just make love. Very tired at the moment, but it's all done!!!!! I love the boost, love it. Will take some pics of the finish product tomorrow moring.

[[stealth]]

awesome pics.. get it boostn on the dyno asap!

[ProECU]

You can get Uberdata running for about $1200 and that includes a wideband oxygen sensor. But depends on how much you want to learn...

It is an option though :)

Uberdata is FREE you fool!

[poid]

Uberdata is FREE you fool!

why dont you read what he posted, he said you can get it RUNNING for $1200, ie $1200 will buy you the wideband, ECU, harness etc

[ProECU]

asshats, $1200 will buy you 3X those items.

get a clue!

Uber: $FREE
Wideband $80 - not even needed if you hit the dyno & use theirs.
Harness $120.
ECU: $250-$300 for obd1.

But hey, spend $1200 anyway. It's not their money.

[poid]

yeh sorry, i guess the "etc" should have been expanded to include everything as obviously you dont understand the meaning of it...

$80 wideband huh? Interesting, since that is roughly what the actual sensor costs, never mind the controller. Bear in mind most of these guys arent going to be putting one together themselves also

so you are paying $120 for a harness because you are OBD2, but you are using the ECU you have? And apparently we are the asshats and you are the ECU god!!

EDIT: haha edited just after i read it, it DID say "ECU use what you have, or $100 to chip"

[ProECU]

$80 wideband huh? Interesting, since that is roughly what the actual sensor costs, never mind the controller. Bear in mind most of these guys arent going to be putting one together themselves also

so you are paying $120 for a harness because you are OBD2, but you are using the ECU you have? And apparently we are the asshats and you are the ECU god!!

If you want to get specific, you need an O2 wideband + controller for other ECU's also, so the cost is not specific to uberdata, crome or whatever you choose. Unless you talk motec etc and other high end solutions, then you're looking at over $2k.

ECU god, we'll obviously you're not one. And im glad you admit you're an asshat, because you are.

[poid]

except that the reason to get a wideband and controller for Uberdata is to tune for yourself, people buying ECU's will get it tune by a professional on the dyno so they dont need one. As far as i know, there isnt a tuner that will tune Uber and hence the need.

Still dont see where you got $80 from :)

the difference is, i dont claim to be an ECU god

EDIT: once again edited after i posted...mate feel free to continue with the childish insults, it just makes YOU look bad

[ProECU]

except that the reason to get a wideband and controller for Uberdata is to tune for yourself, people buying ECU's will get it tune by a professional on the dyno so they dont need one. As far as i know, there isnt a tuner that will tune Uber and hence the need.

Still dont see where you got $80 from :)

the difference is, i dont claim to be an ECU god

EDIT: once again edited after i posted...mate feel free to continue with the childish insults, it just makes YOU look bad

since you dont claim to be an ecu god, then by default you are admitting to not knowing what you're talking about. Contrary, its you that looks bad, commenting on a topic you clearly have no idea about.

The software is not rocket science, tuners can use it no problem. Most dyno operators are astute operators and have used more software than you have ever seen. Im sure they can adapt their skills to uberdata.

As for DIY tuning, how does one know if theyre making more power purely from an a/f ratio tune?
Furthermore, how would one tune timing without a dyno? Even further, how would one know if the tuning changes make more power? or even further still, how does a DIY tuner know if the timing changes arent detonating?

Answer these and you truely are the best, and I admit defeat.

Otherwise, crawl back under that rock you came from.

[ProECU]

In any event, getting a "running" uberdata will not cost you $1200.
you will not need a wideband, hit the dyno and talk it over with the operator.

They can help you out more than you know.

point is, make an educated decision, based on the size of you wallet, needs & flexibility. Dont always listen to public opinion, take it at face value becuase there's a lot of misinformation and rubbish opinion floating on this forum.

I know both Blake (author of Uber) and John (author of crome) personally, and have had a hand in the testing and development in both these products.
I KNOW what i'm talking about, but it seems the popularity contest will rein supreme again.... unfortunately

My best advice to you barefootbonzai, if you're going harness+ecu, get a hondata. It's a reliable product. Have it tuned by someone decent, and you'll be a lot less stressed by DIY tuning and blown motors.

[Weq]

plus chip burner and chips guys. maybe a soldering iron, and misc parts.
damn i boughta wideband setup for 300usd shipped, and i thought that was a good deal.

[poid]

since you dont claim to be an ecu god, then by default you are admitting to not knowing what you're talking about. Contrary, its you that looks bad, commenting on a topic you clearly have no idea about.


obviously i have no idea, after all my car has only been running Uber for over a year now without issue and is coming up to 1 year boosted without issue. So i must obviously have no idea what i am doing.

Evan, you certainly have more knowledge than i about the software, as you have been "in it" longer. But your attitude is ****ing ridiculous. Dont assume that everyone else knows nothing about what they are talking about and that you have more knowledge than all others about everything.


The software is not rocket science, tuners can use it no problem. Most dyno operators are astute operators and have used more software than you have ever seen. Im sure they can adapt their skills to uberdata.

most dont want to use software that they are not familiar with...its their reputation on the line if the software does something they are not expecting. If they are willing to learn, most people arent willing to pay for the extra hours of work involved in the tuner becoming familiar enough with the software to be willing to tune.

You cant simply walk in and say "here is some software you have never seen before, tune my car" and be out of there in an hour


As for DIY tuning, how does one know if theyre making more power purely from an a/f ratio tune?
Furthermore, how would one tune timing without a dyno? Even further, how would one know if the tuning changes make more power? or even further still, how does a DIY tuner know if the timing changes arent detonating?


the DIY tuner is generally aiming at a safe tune, not going for the most power. If you follow the rules of thumb then you WILL have a safe tune that is not detonating. Of course it is different if the aim is to get the most power possible out of the setup...if this was the aim then the tuner would not be going DIY and would use a commercial product and have it tuned by a respected tuner


Answer these and you truely are the best, and I admit defeat.

Otherwise, crawl back under that rock you came from.

I dont claim to be "the best", never have...i'm just sick of the attitude you display on these forums and the sometimes misleading information you post on here. An example of which is the $80 wideband

[poid]

point is, make an educated decision, based on the size of you wallet, needs & flexibility. Dont always listen to public opinion, take it at face value becuase there's a lot of misinformation and rubbish opinion floating on this forum.

I know both Blake (author of Uber) and John (author of crome) personally, and have had a hand in the testing and development in both these products.
I KNOW what i'm talking about, but it seems the popularity contest will rein supreme again.... unfortunately

My best advice to you barefootbonzai, if you're going harness+ecu, get a hondata. It's a reliable product. Have it tuned by someone decent, and you'll be a lot less stressed by DIY tuning and blown motors.

this i agree 100% with if the poster doesnt have an interest in DIY

[[stealth]]

does it go hard or what.. feel alot quicker???

[LVNIT]

Turned out really nice man ;)

How is everything going with the AFC? Idle fixed up yet?

As for ProECU, here are some prices..

Wideband 2E0 $514 (http://wbo2.com (http://wbo2.com/))
Conversion Harness US$85 (http://www.jkobd.com/index.htm)
New Ecu - $200-$300
Other Various parts $100

YES you dont 'need' the Wideband but each to their own mate

[smoknhothonda]

That FMIC certainly looks sweet behind your bar man :D

[barefootbonzai]

Yeah the car pulls hard Way quicker than before. I haven't really gone that hard yet, since i wanna wear it in and all. But in first gear, with boost, when vtec kicks in there's wheel spin it's sick. Car pulls very hard. I'll compare with some cars next week after i get it tunned. Idle is alright when car is still. But when driving you always need to keep the revs up or the car stalls.

http://www.users.tpg.com.au/duydang/turbo/22.JPG

http://www.users.tpg.com.au/duydang/turbo/23.JPG

http://www.users.tpg.com.au/duydang/turbo/24.JPG

[10KRPM]

now all you need is some kick ass rubber....2 way diff and your set !

[smoknhothonda]

. Idle is alright when car is still. But when driving you always need to keep the revs up or the car stalls.

Do you think that this is due to the lightweight spoon clutch you installed? Or was it ok after the clutch/flywheel was installed?

[ProECU]

its because the tune isnt right, or perhaps you have a vaccuum leak somewhere.
Do you have any boost/vag gauges installed?

Dont boost too much withough having the car tuned properly. It is very easy to cause damage when boosting, VERY QUICKLY!

Be cautious until such a time you get it tuned.

Good luck, and great setup!

[barefootbonzai]

yeah, i believe it's the 440 injectors being control by the VAFC that's causing the stalls. I have a boost/vac gauge and there doesn't seem to be a leak. Plus i have checked every vacumm line about 3492308 times. Will be getting it tunned on friday. So hard trying to take it easy.

[ProECU]

you're running rich at part throttle, low & mid-loads. This will account for the problems you're having.

Tune your NA tables to 13, 13.5-1 a/f ratio with boost around the 12.5 - 12:1 a/f ratio.

Youe Idle tables up to 2500 rpm should be 14.7-1 a/f.
If you dont set your idle a/f to this, your idle might hunt under cold start conditions.

If you need anything, dont hesitate to ask some of the "other more knowledgeable" people in this thread.

POID: as for the misinformation i aparently post on this thread, I CHALLENGE you to find something misleading in ANY of my posts. It seems you're trying to discredit my reputation / knowledge, so I'd like to see you support those defamatory statements with supporting documentation, if you can.

[ProECU]

You can get Uberdata running for about $1200 and that includes a wideband oxygen sensor


I dont claim to be "the best", never have...i'm just sick of the attitude you display on these forums and the sometimes misleading information you post on here. An example of which is the $80 wideband


Wideband $80 - not even needed if you hit the dyno & use theirs.

So you see, there was no mention of a Wideband Controller, just the "Wideband Oxygen Sensor" they are quite different in my book.

Challenge still Stands.

[LVNIT]

Oh **** mate..

Your just being picky now over bullshit.

[ProECU]

Oh **** mate..

Your just being picky now over bullshit.

yeah perhaps I am, but I think I just illustrated something important.

[LVNIT]

No, for someone such as yourself, I would think it was quite obvious what I was trying to say. Why dont you contribute to this thread instead of rushing in and stating the first thing that comes to your mind.

The Uberdata Software IS FREE, but to get it RUNNING which is what I said does cost money.

I was simply offering him another option..

[poid]

LOL are you serious? How are you meant to use the sensor without the controller??

In your post you are implying that all you need is the $80 sensor, as the conversation was regarding Uberdata tuning. Obviously that is not the case

Please use some common sense

[ProECU]

LOL are you serious? How are you meant to use the sensor without the controller??

No Idea how thats meant to work, perhaps LVNIT can elaborate as he made the comment.

Anyway, its obvious I dont like you, so ill end it here before we all get banned.

[spoon]

Nipam football rules!!!!

[poid]

Anyway, its obvious I dont like you, so ill end it here before we all get banned.

and here i was thinking this was all about widebands... :wave:

[ProECU]

I only said what you were too gutless to say.

Actually, If I had said you have some personal agenda against me, that would have been more accurate. Who cares.

[Weq]

any updates?

[Savant]

i'm sick of this argument, i want to read about the turbo install. can you two take it to pm or better yet just forget it?

intercooler looks cool sitting there. i notice you didn't do much to hide it ha! nice one!

[tRipitaka]

it`s nice and subtle.. not too obvious !
the way i like it..

[pornstar]

Dont want to get into the argument, but maybe proECE can clarify, doesnt the end user also require chips and chip burner?

[ProECU]

POID can answer your questions Andy. You two are buddies.
you've asked me this many times before, so I wonder where you're going with this question.

If you're genuinely curious, get with me on MSN and ill talk u through it.

[pornstar]

no need, was just asking if they should be on ur list

[ProECU]

Ahh what the heck, I'll probably get banned for this but who cares.

History:
POID & ANDY (pornstar) are mates who were in talks with me to re-sell proecu.
Talks fell through.

It appears these guys have gone other routes for engine management systems.
POID uses uberdata, Andy, who knows what he's using.
He paid someone a large amount of money to get a chipped ECU with crome.
He tested this, it was buggy. He also tested Uber: buggy also.

Andy: How many times since then have u asked me about proecu and technical ECU questions to which ive helped you to great lengths. You even asked me to chip ECU's for you. I educated you ass, and now both you and your buddy come here to discredit me? Thats right, dont offer any constructive points of help to barefootbonzai, but rather come here to push my buttons.
You guys are cowards who move behind peoples backs to seek information for personal gain. I guess this time, your efforts didnt work. Crome & Uber didnt prove to be all they're cracked up to be right?

What, no realtime support? Software crashes? Thats the start.
Buggy code, hestation issues under light load. Idle issues. I can go on.

People, dont be fooled by the arguments in this thread. This type of discussion has been going on for ages. Its a shame these people will argue over points to mask the real issue.
Personally, i'd never use someone for personal gain and then try stab them in the back, but I guess thats the type of people you are.

Say what you will in response. I know all this is TRUE and so do you both.

[pornstar]

i dont get why ur so cut? i simply asked to clarify something, ive not edited anything scroll back and see...

as for what u've written, wanna say why talks fell thru? or as u always seem to think, ur version and opinion of everything is Final and the only right one....PERIOD. geez, who does that sound like?

Why dont u tell them that real truth? lol seriously u make me laugh.

[pornstar]

to clarify, i dont and never wanted to sell ur ecu, the talks were to help distribute those ecus for u in melbourne.

remember tahts right, we dont make money we simply help honda owners get an affordable engine mgt system. but u do remember, me and poid laughed when u expected people to pay 1500+ for ur proecu. After all ur reasoning was that hondata was overpriced... yet it was the same as what u wanted to sell urs for...

wanna keep going?

[toE]

Anyway, its obvious I dont like you, so ill end it here before we all get banned.

Up until this post ProECU, your comments were debatable.
Obviously you've been taking poid's comments personally, and I urge you to stop, for the sake of other members who do not wish to read about yours or poid's talk-backs.

And what was the point of posting a "history"? There was no need for it. The other members surely didn't need to know a background to the history between the three of you.

I suggest you, poid and pornstar to take a chill pill and/or sort it out outisde of this forum, please!

If any of you, including you three (ProECU, poid or pornstar) disagree with what I have said, please, by all means, PM me. I'm always open to feedbacks.
Alternatively, you can take it up with wynode via PM or debate it over in Site Discussions.


barefootbonzai - Keep us updated dude. Good luck with everything.

-Jimmy

[ProECU]

$1500 was for exclusive complete rights for Melb. Stop talking shit. Why dont you paint the whole picture? Hondata rights are worth over $4k.

The only reason you wanted it was to make a larger profit from your customers you greedy bastard, so dont give us the community sob story.
What you describe is EXACTLY re-selling.
Oh well, you dislike James of hondata too (you've told me this many times & I have the history to prove it), I begin to see a common theme here...

ToE: History is relevant. People here need to know what these clowns are up to. Why would Poid or pornstar disagree with your comments anyway, they were all directed towards me. Its not worthy of further debate, I agree, these guys stretch/bend the truth its obvious.

As to get back on topic, why doesnt POID come here and tell us exactly how much it cost him to get uberdata running, for sure not $1200, but hey, he wont admit to it after these discussions and make a lyer out of himself now would he?

[barefootbonzai]

So much love being passed around. Well my car is starting to make a funny noise which i haven't figured out yet. I think i've been pushing it too hard. Time to visit my machanic after work. I hope i haven't stuffed anything up yet. But the noise just started last nite when i was boosting around my local streets. Happens when i accelerate, even softly, quite worried. Is it possible for me to be getting detenation even at low rpm out of boost, like driving normally.

[[Blitz]]

Ok, this post in Poid's behalf as work blocks access to OH

I am at work at the moment, so havent read everything in here. However i have read a few comments which require a response. I was just gonna leave it alone and let the author of this thread continue with his excellent progress reports, but meh


Firstly ProECU...Andy and I did enquire about using it and also reselling to others to tune cars. Wanna know why it never went through Evan? Because it was a ripoff!! You wanted $600 for the software and to add real-time to an ECU for us just to be able to test it. The parts for realtime cost $50 for v1, so v2 that your software uses would be similar. Just because that board isn’t publically released doesn’t mean you can make a crapload of cash from its design. And that was just for testing, not for resale of the product.


And hell, i dont believe you even authored ProECU! As far as i can tell, Doc in Austria is the author and also created the real-time boards that are used for both PGMFI editors and also the v2 board that is used with ProECU. You certainly did not create either board as you have had difficulties using it yourself. Notice I didn’t mention any of this before? Because I haven’t been trying to discredit you, as I don’t want to mess with anyone’s business no matter what I think of them personally.

Anyway, because of the cost, i did not go through with it, and also because it did not have secondary butterfly control which made it useless for the purposes of someone else that would have been using it. What i was after was a cheap solution which others would find easier than Uberdata or Crome and did not get it. We did not reach agreement, and that was the end of the story as far as I was concerned. Nothing further happened on my end. You had further discussions with Andy which I do not know the details about (even the $1500 amount posted in here is news to me). I thought that it all finished amicably, though i guess not!!

You posted that i then went on to use Uberdata...that is not the case. I was running it before even talking to you. So dont claim that you helped me in a great way, because you didnt. As for issues, well a number of people here have been in my car. It idles perfectly, the cold start is perfect and it runs well even if the tune is still a little rich, it just took some fiddling to get it there. As i posted above, i was more interested in getting a product for others in the ACT that would be cheap and easy to use, and your product was not suited to that.

As for the cost to get Uberdata running, luckily i kept track of my costs in a spreadsheet. So here it is:

Program: Free
ECU: $255
Wideband: $405 (which is about as cheap as they get)
Eprom burner: $310 (Batronix USB, purchased before the Moates was available)
ZIF socket, a few chips etc: $62

Total cost: $1,032

I also bought an OBD2->1 harness which was around $110, which would have pushed the cost to $1,142 if i was OBD2.


So i dont know what you meant by "for sure not $1200" but there you have it...so does this make me a liar now somehow?

I did not come into this thread with any intention of discrediting you, i posted because you called someone an asshat for saying that you could get Uberdata running for around $1200 (which was unwarranted, the guy did not deserve that at all as he was not posting something that was blatantly misleading or incorrect) and it exploded from there. I never once attacked you personally nor attacked your product (and I have not steered anyone away from your product), so why you felt the need to post much of the crap you have posted in here is beyond me.

Barefootbonzai, please accept my apologies for my part in all of this and keep us updated with the setup :)


toE EDIT - Edited font color

[ProECU]

Ah, look, i'll drop it now, it really doesnt matter but let me just say 1 more thing.

you really do not know the history about ProECU so honestly you cant comment.
Both Doc & I developed this hand in hand, and the PGMFI realtime board is NOT the one in use here. Yes, the PGMFI version does not work. Doc & I worked to resolve the issues and we did. Ask Dyno dave, he saw it in action.

We're noy going to achieve anything here, so if it makes you happy, i'll take the first step to reconcilliation. I wouldnt want you getting into trouble at work for procrastinating on other tasks

[ProECU]

I just re-read this and wanted to clarify a few things because you have them wrong


']The parts for realtime cost $50 for v1, so v2 that your software uses would be similar. Just because that board isn’t publically released doesn’t mean you can make a crapload of cash from its design.

The components are worth a LOT more than you think. Try getting some prices for a DS1230Y ram chip anywhere in AU. you'd be looking at almost $100 for the chip itself.
Accompanying this is the Programmable Logic chip, which are relatively cheap about $15 each, however you havent factored in the electronic programming device to write this chip. These are worth over $2k.
Then there is the board manufacture. Most companies dont do one-offs, maybe you've never had the need to research this, but board manufacture is not cheap, at least $500 for a sheet of boards A4 size to give you an idea.


']Anyway, because of the cost, i did not go through with it

Fair enough, but I hope you realise the intrinsic worth of such an Item.

It's sickening that everyone wants something for nothing. You guys wanted me to supply an ECU+harness, Realtime Board & 3bar MAP sensor all for under $600.
Im not writing this to continue the argument, I want you guys to realise there is more too it that you're either not grasping, or are convieniently overlooking.

[Q_ball]

stop spammin barefootbonzai's thread dudes!!!
geez, start a new thread and name it accordingly!!

[tinkerbell]

where are the moderators of this forum!??!?

unbelievable!

[wynode]

Well it's come to having to make an ultimatum. poid, pro-ecu and pornstar keep your replies related to barefootbonzai's thread and his turbo install. If you would like to argue your history/bring up any issues please do it via PM or make a new thread.

One more off topic reply by one of you 3 will result in a ban (for the person replying and for anyone else retaliating).

Now lets keep it related to the topic!

[wlee2]

umm well before all the crap was posted up i read you looking at ideas for ECU ? i think. i forget who said microtech .. thats one of the ones that sprung to mind, good ecu. relatively cheap and reliable. im a bit of a autronic person though.. its because for some honda's it comes in plug and play ecu boards.. but its shit expensive so if you looking at that hope u got alot saved up =P.

in the end what u pay is what you get.. i saw someone posted up something about haltech..

[pornstar]

Sorry, wyn, i initially posted because proECU ommited from the price the need to purchase a burner and chips. IE uberdata and other freewares do not work without the chip that you burn with ur map inside.

I decided to post a response because my PM box got attacked by proECU and when it was done here, I felt the need to respond. My apologies to people who were watching the home install.

To fill u in barefoot, the noise u hear could be anything, from a loose bolt to yes detonation. Detonation can happen at idle not just driving around below boost. From what I understand, you have no fuel management, and depending on where your locked timing is, this may be causing you to detonate underboost.

As for getting an ecu, If your good enough to do the turbo install etc, your good enough to use a freeware like uberdata. Hit me or poid up if you want a hand with it, its not hard.

[barefootbonzai]

Thanks for that pornstar. I got a little lazy and worried about my car now, plus i've already arrange for James (blkcrx) to tune my car with hondata. I was talking to him before, and he reckons it wouldn't be detonation. Got a feeling it's my oil return line getting clogged up cause it was a pretty bad job i did, cause i wanted it done so bad i used a short rubber tube cause no shops where open to buy a longer tube. When i think about it, it does sound like the turbo making the noise. Will have to check it out after work. I hope that's all it is, cause my eninge temp is normal, and theres no smoke for funny smells.

But will definitely hit you up if things change. Uberdata sound interesting.

[Weq]

what does the noise sound like? from where? under load?

[10KRPM]

Hey banzai...im having probs trying to find that turbo kit you have on your car on google....you wouldnt happen to have the website of the store you bought it off?

[smoknhothonda]

Its a drag turbo kit 10KRPM, go to www.dragkits.com (http://www.dragkits.com) as far as I know thats who he purchased it from ;)

Also try www.turbokits.com (http://www.turbokits.com) Send an email to Jesse if you have any queries about his kits listed :thumbsup:

[ProECU]

Thanks for that pornstar. I got a little lazy and worried about my car now, plus i've already arrange for James (blkcrx) to tune my car with hondata.

Wise choice considering the options before you. James knows how to tune (he's done enough of them) and Hondata is a solid product.

[vti_ek9]

nice car dude....and mad turbokit...
wat kinda kw u putting down after the dyno tune??

[CHU85]

is ur car done yet???
heard a story about u beating a s15?
True or false?

[si92]

nice man! hey where did u get taht air intake pipe cause i want to put a podfilter on but all the pipes leave the pod filter too close to the engine so will take in heaps of warm air bbut ur one takes the pod filter all the way under the front grill which would b perfect!?

[barefootbonzai]

Yeah, my car is Done. I'm only running 6.5psi of boost. Making 122.5kw at the wheels. Yep I can beat a S15, it was stock though. I'm getting a bit of leaking from my maifold though, gonna have to take it out and put it in again, so annoying.

And the noise i was hearing was just a lose maifold. Just got another gasket and fixed it up. But it's happening again!!!!!! Gonna have to find some hard core sealant.

[wlee2]

what ecu did you end up using?

[barefootbonzai]

Hondata from James. He did all the installation, tunning etc.

[wlee2]

just out of curiousity how much did it end up costing ?

[barefootbonzai]

All up for this project around $9000. This includes custom 3" exhaust, clutch and flywheel, tunning, turbo setup. Another $1000 if you where to get someone to install the turbo kit. So if you don't have special contacts, and no experince have at least $10000 if you want to do it properly.

[z3lda]

10 freakin G's!
whats the turbo hp rated at

[wlee2]

huge investment ehh.. especially for the 122.5. but then again its the torque u want =P

[shecomb]

huge investment ehh.. especially for the 122.5. but then again its the torque u want =P

It may only be 122.5 at the moment, but more power is so much easier to make with a turbo...

[pornstar]

lol he knows that ;)

[[stealth]]

yeah... close to that mark for sure if u dun know contacts... or really.. around 5-6k if u know pplz

[Weq]

looking good.. i was mkaing the same kinda power at 8.5psi on my d-series ;) its ****en fun aint it!!! gw dude

[nickiipoohz]

hey bonzai.. what did u upgrade ur brakes to?

[10KRPM]

get much torque steer?

[barefootbonzai]

Thanks guys for the comments. Yeah, car is very fun to drive. It's best when you get guys looking down at your car thinking "it's just a civic", then some ass whooping there way. It's gold, worth every penny. Yeah there's pleanty more power to be unleashed, but i'm quite satisfied for the time being. Plus my pockets are in the negative amounts at the moment.

Brakes are still stock my friend. If $$ allows it, they will be upgraded one day.

[ProECU]

You should be making more than that power at 6.5psi. Ill speak with James.

[nickiipoohz]

stock? even stock rotors? shit does it stop the car properly?

[barefootbonzai]

I told james that i wanted my car on the safe side of things. Wasn't hungry for some crazy power if it risked any damage to my engine.

[ProECU]

fair enough, but theres still more in it.
Do you have a dyno sheet to post up here for running commentary?

[shecomb]

I made 140kw at 6.5psi but thats an H23....

Not sure what to expect from the civic motor

[tinkerbell]

show us the A/F's!!!!

[barefootbonzai]

Dyno Sheet As Requested.

http://www.users.tpg.com.au/duydang/turbo/dyno.jpg

[Weq]

very nice curve. turbo looks quite well suited.

[Javed]

They are nicely shaped dude! I like that torque curve!

[tinkerbell]

show us the A/F's!

[A'PEXi]

nice setup mate :) 10g's though dammmm lol.....

[CHU85]

10k? OUch! Congrats though.
hahaha, i probably spent the same too.
Right now ur car is only making that power cos the turbo hasn't even reached its efficiency rate yet. Imagine if u doubled the boost!
mmm.... BOOST

[ECU-MAN]

yeah show us the AFR,
have you got it ???

[barefootbonzai]

Bad news guys, I just got out of hospital after totally my car 2 nites ago. Everyone says i'm lucky to be alive. Flipped it like 6 times in the air, my car is no more, and no insurance either. Will start a new tread with pics soon. Back to resting for me. And anything i recover will be up for sale, so help a brother out and buy some of my stuff. One very poor and upset brother. :(

[MR-VTEC]

WTF!!! are you serious!

if your serious what happened?

hope your alright man.

[barefootbonzai]

Yeah, Man. It all happened so fast. All I remeber is flipping, with my hands on my head to protect it. I think my brakes locked up and i went up the side of something and got air borne. I was knocked out, so don't remeber much. Will be talking to my mates later on to find out more. I"m feeling quited stuffed at the moment. But i got my head scanned serveral times, looks good. I should be ok, only thing i have to be happy about.

[MR-VTEC]

holy shit man, i am really sorry to hear that considering you just put so much money into your car and you didnt even have much time to enjoy it.

i wish you all the best with your recovery. glad to hear your gonna be alright.

[vtek]

yeah very sorry to hear it Duy, but your still lucky to be alive.

[[stealth]]

holy sh#t.... very very sorry to hear about ur accident and the car... but main thing is your still ok... make a quick recovery for us yeah? :)

[10KRPM]

whoa thats just crazy stuff man....

i didnt have an accident as bad as yours but my gf wrote off my S15 a few months back.....about 6k worth of mods gone :(

[GSI-PSI]

i just smashed my turbo teg into a brick wall yesterday so i know how ya feel

[badsector]

d00d! bad news!

[Javed]

Holy shit, wtf were you doing to cause that? Not street racing I hope?

[barefootbonzai]

Just some bad luck man. With no insurance and the money i've put into that thing. I am the sadness ex-honda owner in the world

[GSI-PSI]

was gettin chased by a big maori cos i stuck my finger up at him cos he ran a red and i almost hit him.

[barefootbonzai]

Dam man, what where you thinking. Did you have insurance?

And here some pics of my crash

http://www.users.tpg.com.au/duydang/car/111.JPG

http://www.users.tpg.com.au/duydang/car/222.JPG

[GSI-PSI]

yer i got insurance and i just got the word from them that they wrote off my car.

[dc2dc2dc2]

OH WTF DUDE! u are so lucky to live! that car is absolutely totalled...hope u recover back to full health!

[barefootbonzai]

GSI-PSI that makes you much lucker man

[GSI-PSI]

yer unfortunately id have 2 agree wif ya there.

[DJhonda]

hows the Blitz DD blow off valve go like on your car?

[18INCH]

HOLY FU** thats nailed man.

i hope your ok....thats crazy shi7

[CHU85]

saw ur car in person down at my mates workshop
damn ur lucky to be where u are right now

[keric_02]

duy, where did u get ur turbo kit from? US?

[vinhy]

the kit is from the u.s. bascially a drag kit with a turbonetics turbo

[tinkerbell]

i swear i have unsubscribed from this thread so many times!

[BlitZ]

feel for you matie...
cars a car no biggie.. as long as evryone is ok... good to see u back on the forums again...

[NissTrust]

How much was your turbo kit?

[DannyB]

Gotta Say man, till you had your accident which i must pass my condolences to the loss of your baby RIP. Your thread was possibly one of the better threads i have read on this forum, loved the pics and loved the fact you were open with everything including constructive critism and help from others!!
i give this thread 10:honda: out of 10:honda: .
remember the old saying if you get bucked of ya honda ...get back on again .....ie don't let the accident hold ya back from what you obviously truly love!!
Thanx
DannyB

[NissTrust]

Yeah thats sad news indeed. At least you walked away with your life to live another day. Cars are only a material possession they can easily be replaced, but your life cannot be, especially to loved ones. Just remember everytime time you make a payment on any debts you have because of that car, just think that you are in fact paying for your life in return over the honda's death, it may give you some solace.

[FlavzzTEGRA]

so sorry to hear that mate, have a quick recovery and be glad that your ok.

I know that you will be pissed about your car, but the build looked great and
well done on a nice install and thanks for covering it in detail to help out
all us other honda fans that would love to turb our rides like u have one day.

all the best mate.

[michael_antoi]

sorry to hear the bad news man, must totally suck...

how did u manage to flip...how fast were u goin?

[wynode]

Sorry to hear about your car. Best of luck in the future.

Will have to lock this thread as the original topic is covered and over now.