OH T&C

[type one]

In particular:

- This forum is provided solely as a source of communication between users and Ozhonda bears no responsibility in the outcomes or in relation to the products / services sold.

- No selling of unrelated equipment. Ozhonda moderators/administrators deem the right to remove any items found to be unrelated at their discretion.

- No Group Buys are allowed on Ozhonda Forums.

- Selling multiple Items - If you are selling multiple items put them ALL in one post. Do not make individual posts for each item.

- It is a private forum for members only and no commercial posts will be allowed. If you would like to sell items commercially in the Traders forum (http://www.ozhonda.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=31), then PM me (wynode) and I will send you the details. Any posts suspected to be commercial will be removed without prior notice. Ozhonda reserves the right to distinuish commercial posts from non-commercial posts.

Once again, Ozhonda bears no responsibility and you trade at your own risk.

By posting in this forum, you agree to the terms and conditions.

-Ozhonda



This is the current law in place for posting and opertaing within the OH sale thread. I guess, i only bring this up because i have been the subject of some uneccessary attention of late and just want to clear up some issues.

I feel that these T&C give moderators too much "arbitrary" power and while many of you might think this is fine because it doesn't affect you and you don't care, then i have this to say: let's brainstorm a better and more democratic method for running this site (our site).

I am not going to let this stop at the FS section, i think it should apply across the board where a moderator is given the right to ban/delete/move/bitch etc whatever posts/people.

As a startign guideline i think power needs to shift away from moderators, and this can be done by having better and more "comprehensive" T&C. This would take out the arbitrary nature of deleting posts and banning members.

Now you might ask "but the T&C are pretty straightforward" - however i can think of at least 10 loopholes which need addressing. On the whole, the majority of moderators take their postions of lofty power with a grain of salt - what i am trying to say is that the sword cuts both ways (some may be considered to be more lackadaisical than others). As such, i think stricter T&C should be introduced to reduce the arbitrary power of moderators and provide a more fair and just treatment of "infringements".

[Sp3rMz]

Wyns site, Wyns rules. His the guy you have to negotiate or debate with.

[bennjamin]

In particular:

- This forum is provided solely as a source of communication between users and Ozhonda bears no responsibility in the outcomes or in relation to the products / services sold.

- No selling of unrelated equipment. Ozhonda moderators/administrators deem the right to remove any items found to be unrelated at their discretion.

- No Group Buys are allowed on Ozhonda Forums.

- Selling multiple Items - If you are selling multiple items put them ALL in one post. Do not make individual posts for each item.

- It is a private forum for members only and no commercial posts will be allowed. If you would like to sell items commercially in the Traders forum (http://www.ozhonda.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=31), then PM me (wynode) and I will send you the details. Any posts suspected to be commercial will be removed without prior notice. Ozhonda reserves the right to distinuish commercial posts from non-commercial posts.

Once again, Ozhonda bears no responsibility and you trade at your own risk.

By posting in this forum, you agree to the terms and conditions.

-Ozhonda



This is the current law in place for posting and opertaing within the OH sale thread. I guess, i only bring this up because i have been the subject of some uneccessary attention of late and just want to clear up some issues.

I feel that these T&C give moderators too much "arbitrary" power and while many of you might think this is fine because it doesn't affect you and you don't care, then i have this to say: let's brainstorm a better and more democratic method for running this site (our site).

I am not going to let this stop at the FS section, i think it should apply across the board where a moderator is given the right to ban/delete/move/bitch etc whatever posts/people.

As a startign guideline i think power needs to shift away from moderators, and this can be done by having better and more "comprehensive" T&C. This would take out the arbitrary nature of deleting posts and banning members.

Now you might ask "but the T&C are pretty straightforward" - however i can think of at least 10 loopholes which need addressing. On the whole, the majority of moderators take their postions of lofty power with a grain of salt - what i am trying to say is that the sword cuts both ways (some may be considered to be more lackadaisical than others). As such, i think stricter T&C should be introduced to reduce the arbitrary power of moderators and provide a more fair and just treatment of "infringements".


Some good points - the rules are slightly vauge in which it shows, as people keep on stretching the rules all the time - and many retaliate at certain "terms and condtions".

The very point of moderators is to keep abit of an eye on the loopholes as the day moves on - mr Admin cant do everything lol.

I guess a valid issue point is until yourself as members pay our wages ( and a cut of sales :D) to run this website , yourself as a member has to abide to the set rules and the moderators perspective / enforcement. 95% of people are fine about it. Its a free website for enthusiasts - run by a very good bloke , Wynode :) If you want to sell something and dont like our rules, pay to do it elsewhere. :thumbsup:

[wynode]

let's brainstorm a better and more democratic method for running this site (our site).


I don't see how this site belongs to members given that registration is free and so is posting items in the for sale forum. I don't see any of the members paying the hosting costs/doing the admin/moderating work. The T&C are there to keep some kind of order on the forums and at the end of the day its is the moderators job to keep order. If you're not happy with it, then there is nothing saying you have to be here. Like I said, it is a free site so we have no obligation to you.

That said i'd be more than happy to brainstorm / come up with some more specific guidelines but until that is done, the moderators have the final decission (and hence why the T&C specify that it is the moderators call at the end of the day.

Also keep in mind that there are traders on here who pay to sell their goods/services and it is unfair to them when a user starts selling items on a commercial basis without paying.

[type one]

i just suggested that it is a site where people congregate making it a site that we "share".

I would never stiff OH on trader fees - but then again i am not a trader (and if i choose to become one then i shall pay to do so).

I don't think that i have acted as a typical "keyboard warrior" and named names and pointed the finger and acted like a d8ck. I suggested under the site discussion thread that this may be a grey area and might warrant someone to look over the standard T&C to avoid further confusion/spam.

If you take this on board then i will be happy enough. Otherwise, i have no issue with mods being firm - there just has to be some aspect of "fair" in that firmness.

[panda[cRx]]

i, along with prolly 99% of others dont see a problem with it at all (0_o)

except maybe the non related sale section :P but a decision has been made on that and wyn and the mods wanna keep this CAR FOCUSED

other things like the group buys has been discussed before

[pornstar]

I actually agree with Type one on this one. The problem is that having a moderator have all the say is very hard to follow in terms of rules and regulations etc.

IE, benjamin knows that I try to follow the rules, but a few posts fell out of favour with him, we did sort it out, but then again, there was a nother time when a different one of my psots was deleted by another mod, I assume that it was fine with everyone else since it sat there for like 5 days prior.

In light of that, its hard for me to know which posts can and cant be made, and often i find myselinf pm'ing a mod to see if something would pass by them, only to have it deleted by another mod, on their reasoning. IE, mod A will give it a pass, but mod B wont, so it makes it tough what can and cant be posted.

I dont mind whatever the rules are, I agree that Ozhonda isnt a constitution, but if rules are to be enforced or are to be clear, they might need to be abit more specific and not just open to moderators thoughts.

Not picking a fight or anything as Ben and Wyn both know i try my best to follow rules. Guess its a suggestion about how the moderation happens in light of rules etc.

Andy

[bennjamin]

we might even need a stick for us mods on occasion...*slaps self*

Or , i do suggest we have a telephone-a-thon - where all OH users call in to bid on the mod to get the slime bucket over head treatment etc.
Well, atleast that will be a fund raiser ehehe.

[wynode]

I think the ones who generally have issues are the ones who tend to have a lot of things to sell.

That said, Andy, Nick, we are taking it on board and if you guys can think of a better way we can do it, simply PM me back or reply to this thread.

There were a few issues regarding locking/deleting threads but I've managed to draw up some standards for that to reduce the problem in the future. Once again.......that was after a few complaints were made. So we are listening

=Win

[pornstar]

never said u werent wynster :)

my suggestion is only over the confusion that occurs when i get apporval from one but not the other, but i know ur working on it mr jackson :)

[wynode]

LOL@Jackson.

Ok........so now draw up some guidelines :)

[pornstar]

1) wyn pass me stick
2) ben and wyn, get ready
3) say hello to mr soul pole :)

nah ill serisouyl try and think of something mr jackson

[type one]

I think the ones who generally have issues are the ones who tend to have a lot of things to sell.

That said, Andy, Nick, we are taking it on board and if you guys can think of a better way we can do it, simply PM me back or reply to this thread.

There were a few issues regarding locking/deleting threads but I've managed to draw up some standards for that to reduce the problem in the future. Once again.......that was after a few complaints were made. So we are listening

=Win

ok let me get back to you on that one.

I got a lot of things to sell cos i buy a lot of stuff :( no one's fault but my own - but i never try and rip a member off and if you do your research (on models and prices etc) i take more than a "fair" loss on every item which passes through my hands.