Turbo or Supercharger?

[tiana]

Yes I know.

Very very very broad question. I just want to view a range of peoples opinions and why.
It is to accompany my K20/K24 DC5R sometime next year.

I am not doing this for popularity votes, but rather to allow myself to see both sides of the picture and to view both pros and cons for each.

I am aware of the issues and the amount of supporting modifications I am up for. But I just cant resist. It's the bug!! Once you get it, you're in it for good. You seek more and more power!

No conflict please. All opinions are welcome.

[IEVAQ8]

for me, its always gonna b the correctly match turbo and exhaust manifold on any Honda engine...

[tiana]

I want to hear why not the other option and some pros and cons for both. Im interested to see peoples perspectives on both.

[IEVAQ8]

from personal experience,
supercharger seems to be harder to make power and it isn't as efficient...
again, this also comes down to the right sizing of turbo/supercharger and in turbo side of things, a big roll is played by the exhaust manifold...
quick example...
a ap2 s2k I did for a mate, with SOS supercharger kit (stage 2kit) made 240kw on 12psi
my bros k20a2 s13 silvia with a custom exhaust manifold and gt3076r on 12psi made 290kw

both cars on same dyno, same tuner and same pump 98 fuel

the s2k did see 270kw with e85...

[Limbo]

what are your goals first?
Super charger is great for short runs/sprints short tracks.
Turbo will make greater overall power

[amant02]

Turbo > Supercharger.

In every single measurable way.

Supercharger sounds better to me.

[EKVTIR-T]

Turbo > Supercharger.

In every single measurable way.

Supercharger sounds better to me.
NOS sounds better

[curtis265]

Depends on the type of supercharger.

Centrifugals tend to have less low rev torque but make good power at the top (compared to roots and twin scroll variants) and generate less heat than a turbo does. Centrifugals also make a f*cking annoying noise at idle

I also find that supercharger 'kits' are more readily available taking away a lot of the custom work

Also remember it's about driveability too rather than outright power.

[IEVAQ8]

^^careful...^
drivability is all in the tune ragrdless of mods...
and if Tiana sticks with Adrian, she wont have any drivability issues

[curtis265]

^^careful...^
drivability is all in the tune ragrdless of mods...
and if Tiana sticks with Adrian, she wont have any drivability issues

My comment is in relation to centrifugal SC units where the turbine speed is directly proportional to the engine speed and produces boost in a linear fashion. That's not tune related

Even still, a giant turbo isn't going to do much down low either, is it

[RenzokukenJ]

Aren't you getting a nsx anyway?

[Vvvtec]

http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/owners/gjohnson/gerry_4.jpg

[IEVAQ8]

My comment is in relation to centrifugal SC units where the turbine speed is directly proportional to the engine speed and produces boost in a linear fashion. That's not tune related

Even still, a giant turbo isn't going to do much down low either, is it

misread, I thought u was saying a supercharger is more drivable than a turbo car... ;)

[curtis265]

misread, I thought u was saying a supercharger is more drivable than a turbo car... ;)

Yes and no, depending size of turbo and type of SC

[u mad?]

NA v8 better m8

[amant02]

Turbo is better then supercharger in a daily.

centrifugal is not counted for the obvious reason.

[amant02]

NA v8 better m8

This bring tears to my eyes.

[gkB18Cr]

Aren't you getting a nsx anyway?


http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/owners/gjohnson/gerry_4.jpg

Strong Troll/10

Let her be fellas. It's in the past. Do it For me anyway plz.

If you are serious about it Tiana you are looking at 10k (give or take) either way. For good setups that is.

Turbo Charger + Manifold + dump pipe + waste gate + Screamer pipe + blow off valve + oil/water lines + catch can + bigger injectors + front Mount and piping + a lot of fabricating + tune. Adds up. Factor in the gearbox letting go eventually aswell.

Supercharger + bracket + pulley + blow off valve + front mount + injevtors + oil cooler/resorvoir + fabrication + tune adds up as well. It ends up a little cheaper and is less harsh on the gearbox due to less torque etc. P.S you lose Aircon btw.

Both can achieve power above 300kw atw and above with your setup. Which is more than enough for the street at the end of the day.

Either way both are good setups. It's down to preference at the end of the day.

All the best with it.

[Limbo]

300kws in a FWD is a death trap on the road.

[Vvvtec]

300kws in a FWD is a death trap on the road.

its also a fuking shitload of fun

[IEVAQ8]

300kws in a FWD is a death trap on the road.
until u have driven or owned 1, plz dnt comment... ;)

its also a fuking shitload of fun
100% correct... ;)

[RenzokukenJ]

until u have driven or owned 1, plz dnt comment...

100% correct... ;)
His eg is close to 400kw he k ow what he talking about

[IEVAQ8]

His eg is close to 400kw he k ow what he talking about

lol...
I know that...

[RenzokukenJ]

Then why give him shit? He knows already so he commented..

[cbauto]

Doesnt matter about power output.
Just need to bust tanks

[IEVAQ8]

Then why give him shit? He knows already so he commented..

It was a joke, Limbo knows that hence y he didnt comment bak...lol

[RenzokukenJ]

Limbo pls

[curtis265]

It was a joke, Limbo knows that hence y he didnt comment bak...lol

in jokes are strictly forbidden


:)

[Limbo]

stop stirring, i know Ozhonda is now quiet but that's not a reason to duke it out.
BTW i have driven a 240kwta Civic and its crazy torque steer, my civic was alittle less with only 171kws.
Partly the reason i sold my civic and went to an EVO.
My daily is 311kwatw and its 4wd. Its scary enough without the torque steer.
At least it has traction most of the time.

Once you build something with that much power you will be avoiding rain that for sure.

[EKVTIR-T]

just say fwd is shit plain and simple


adding huge power just amplifys it

[amant02]

Fwd is da best!

Love fwd forever and ever.

[Limbo]

After buying an Evo i wouldn't waste my money on a honda again.
But hondas are cheaper to mod, but when you want anything over 180kwsatws it actually gets more expensive.

My Evo with a reflash was 220kwatw, now with 311kwatw its a fun car, but still drivable in all conditions.
On the plus side my A/C works super cold, which is more than i can say for my civic.

Hondas are fun budget cars to play with, but if you want big performance you gotta move alone.

[amurray]

planning on 350 - 400kw Supercharged EK, will drive on the street... but im building for WTAC, back to Supercharged or Turbo, It REALLY depends on your goals, power delivery will play a huge factor in traction.

[amant02]

After buying an Evo i wouldn't waste my money on a honda again.
But hondas are cheaper to mod, but when you want anything over 180kwsatws it actually gets more expensive.

My Evo with a reflash was 220kwatw, now with 311kwatw its a fun car, but still drivable in all conditions.
On the plus side my A/C works super cold, which is more than i can say for my civic.

Hondas are fun budget cars to play with, but if you want big performance you gotta move alone.

Type R > Evo.

Pls m80 honda forum.

[amant02]

planning on 350 - 400kw Supercharged EK, will drive on the street... but im building for WTAC, back to Supercharged or Turbo, It REALLY depends on your goals, power delivery will play a huge factor in traction.


Now this will munch your evo for breakfast.

Talk bad of honda on ozhonda uh.