My first Honda - ED3

[SpikeED3]

Hi all,

I thought I might share a bit about my ED3, how I got it and what's going on.

This may sound cliche but I got my civic from my little sister :rolleyes: haha



History

My sister just bought a new car so she said I could have her old one at mates rates lol :thumbsup:



The 1990 :honda:onda Civic ED3

The outside.
When she handed the car over she told me how much she still loves it, and is happy that it's going to me rather than scrapping it.

The first thing I noticed was the faded Blue grille she had at the front. The galvanising was well faded and the underlying silver was clearly showing through. I'm sure it looked good when she first put it in, but time is a cruel mistress.

The silver paint was a bit tired, as you'd expect from a 1990's car in the Australian sun. There where a few little dents here and there too. But that's all ok, a buddy of mine is a panel beater, I'm an airbrush artist so between us I'm sure we can sort it out.

When I walked around it I notice some other tell tail sings. It had 15" Honda rims, low profile tires 195/50/15 and it had been slightly lowered too. ...This was starting to get interesting.
I pointed these out to her and she said she lowered it a little so it'll just clear curbs and speed humps, and also added poly bushings (which are getting old and need replacing). She also sad something about new coilovers and something about the springs.

She went on, "I also removed the drum breaks at the rear and added disks".:thumbsup:


At the rear of the car I pointed to the bolts in the top of the boot lid. She said that's where she had a rear wing, but had to take it off because the po kept pulling her over.
That made me laugh.




The Inside.
We sat inside. The first thing I noticed was the interior was immaculate. And I mean mint, seriously clean. nice.

The next thing I saw was it was an automatic. I'd prefer a manual but it's ok, I'm still happy. This will be my daily cruzer not a race car, besides after racing bikes.....

The instrument cluster has been swapped with the concerto.



The Engine.
As we popped the hood she noted that the exhaust will need replacing as it has holes, and the valves need adjusting too. I said I can do all that.
She opened the bonnet and proclaimed, "I took out the original 1.5L and dropped in the 1.6 from the concerto. It's the D16Z2. I also polished the valve cover so it looks pretty".
Nice. :thumbsup:




The test drive.
Sitting in it felt low. What seemed like a slight lowering from the outside was an obvious drop from the inside.

The exhaust was bad. It's got holes throughout, has even come off at the muffler and is being held up with wire.

The handling was truly something else. It felt like a go kart. Little if any body roll. Precise directional control. Great feedback.


I happily handed over the cash and a little bit extra.



Mods
As I said, this is only my cruzer on a daily basis, baby please. So I'm just going to do things to make the engine run happy and look nice.


What I've done so far.
Changed the door festoon lights for blue led's to match the floor.
Changed the ceiling festoon to while led's.
Started respraying some parts of the outside trim and a few details in the engine bay with 2pak auto black.
Painted the faded front grille to back.
Detailed the interior.
Phillips +130% headlights.
Mugen tire valve caps lololol
Bought some NKG magnetic spark plug leads. Just waiting for them to arrive.
New plugs.
Adjusted valves.
Oil and filter.
Fuel filter.

After long and arduous research I've ordered some Megan Racing exhaust headers. Got a 200 cpsi, metalic, hi-flow cat from scorpion. Just waiting for the headers to arrive then I'm getting a custom fabbed cat back system.
Then I can do the timing, idle revs etc.




What is in the works.
Injen IS1501P Short Ram Intake System (maybe, not sure about this yet)
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=INJEN-IS1501P-2&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&channel=rcs&biw=1280&bih=648&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=NBjoVPLYJ8W2mwXomoHgAg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg

New poly bushings all round.
Mega Raizin with earth kit. maybe
Dash lights and console lights to white led's. maybe
Front strut bar. maybe


The last thing will be to take all the dents out and respray.

If the suspension ever needs replacing, I might look into a rear sway bar, tie rods and a set of skunk2 coilovers. But until then it's not worth changing as they are killer as is.

Anyways, I'll add pictures as this progresses.

But here are some pics for now. some are before and some are after the above mentioned mods.




The sliver dot on the right side of the grille is actually a silver sticker on the A/C piping behind the grille. Yes, it does look like the Honda badge is on a little wonky. But I'll fix that when I re-spray the car.
http://i60.tinypic.com/2z9h7y9.jpg




Note the vertical black metal part that has been resprayed. and the lower black window trim that still needs spraying.
http://i58.tinypic.com/jztaae.jpg


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As I said I'll take more pics as I go with the mods. I'm happy to answer any questions or take other pics if people want to see.

Needless to say I'm very happy with this Honda, it's a beautiful car to drive.


Thanks for checking it out :wave:

[curtis265]

Wow that's really minty!

[Jasemas]

Whoa dat sister is awesome
Bit of a sleeper eh?
Looking good so far
Subbed!

[dove grey 64]

One does not simply "stick in" a efi motor into a ed. Its a pain in the arse. Great project, love ed sedans. Get some pics of the fuel setup if you can, keen to see what she did, maybe used the whole setup from a concerto ie. Wiring and all

[SpikeED3]

Wow that's really minty!

For it's age yeah, not bad at all




Whoa dat sister is awesome
Bit of a sleeper eh?
Looking good so far
Subbed!

Not quite a sleeper, the acceleration isn't huge from a SOHC non-vtec... but anything is going to feel slow compared to a bike I guess. It's great for cruz'n though and taking the odd corner at speed.



One does not simply "stick in" a efi motor into a ed. Its a pain in the arse. Great project, love ed sedans. Get some pics of the fuel setup if you can, keen to see what she did, maybe used the whole setup from a concerto ie. Wiring and all

Yeah sure, I'll post some pics soon :)

[SpikeED3]

Sorry the pictures aren't the best. If I've missed something you wanted to see I'm happy to take more.


http://i60.tinypic.com/2lubbkm.jpg



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[curtis265]

Looks like it's EFI!

[subie]

very very nice, always want ed with efi engine in it

[Jasemas]

That is a clean engine bay haha

[SpikeED3]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[grifty]

did you just use the concerto cabin loom to make it work?

[SpikeED3]

sorry, I don't know how the wiring has been done. I might have to ask next time I'm in contact with her.

[Renaissance_x]

Congrats on not having another eg, ek or dc2.

[SpikeED3]

Was pot luck.


I fitted a new fuel filter today... while waiting for the rest of my parts to arrive .... I got bored... may have gone too far with installing remote control LEDeeeee's on a nightly basiiiiis.

http://youtu.be/BXxKkMcGMnA

[SpikeED3]

Put in some new NKGeeeee's, spark plug leeeeeeeads, baby please.

http://i62.tinypic.com/10dwpid.jpg

[Jasemas]

Nice n shiney

[cbauto]

pics of sis

[SpikeED3]

Nice n shiney
All day. :thumbsup:




pics of sis

Nope, haven't heard of that band.

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Amazing ED you have Spike, long live the SedanClan

[cbauto]

Congrats on not having another eg, ek or dc2.
what's wrong with them, you h8ing?

[u mad?]

what's wrong with them, you h8ing?

they're not fridgey enough

[SpikeED3]

Amazing ED you have Spike, long live the SedanClan

Thanks. It takes a bit of effort to keep it clean though. :car:

[SpikeED3]

blah.

[steve euro]

Pretty clean sedan there! What are the front seats out of?

[SpikeED3]

Pretty clean sedan there! What are the front seats out of?

Thanks Steve :) :thumbsup:

Ya, I had a feeling these seats weren't stock, but I wasn't sure, this is my first Honda.... the only Honda I've been in really, so I have nothing to compare it to. The whole car is basically a Civic to Concerto conversion. So I imagine they are Concerto seats too.

Maybe someone who has a Concerto confirm this?

Concerto Concerto Concerto

[grifty]

Those front seats aren't from a Concerto, maybe they're from a ED6.

[FoodTray]

They look like DA9 seats, i dont remember the head rest having the seam bead though.

[SpikeED3]

hmmmmm interesting. maybe I should take more detailed pictures?

[SpikeED3]

Got my new exhaust Megan Racing headers today!


First impressions...
They came from USA to AU in a cardboard box with no protection other than individual plastic bags. :eek:

Luckily nothing seems to be broken or bent.

The 3 bolts that come with the kit were out of their little baggie and rattling around in the box as I received it from the courier. :eek::eek:

Again, luckily, this only damaged was to the top of the secondaries and the primaries were undamaged.

The finish on these headers are nice in stainless steel.

(The kit)
http://i57.tinypic.com/14j7ub6.jpg

(Top of the primaries)
http://i57.tinypic.com/5umlmq.jpg




The primaries.
The overall finish is what I expected. Non-sequential pairing of the primaries confirm they sent the right set of pipes for my engine. The pipes merge together ok with the length of pipe they have. The welds seem to look good, if not a little too good. It almost looks like they have used the bare minimum amount of weld material to get the job done. This means they have either refined the manufacturing process perfectly, or they are cheap.
Pro's: less product weight, cheaper to produce.
Con's: might crack a weld over time, or with extreme heating or cooling.

Where the headers meet the block looks interesting. There seems to be a little more weld blocking the air flow from cylinders number 2 and 3. Even though this is a minor issue, cylinders 1 and 4 clearly don't have the same problem. So why aren't they all the same?

http://i60.tinypic.com/2vaifev.jpg


If you look in the left pipe you can see the small lump of slag still left behind. Is it a big deal? Not really. But it may reveals a little something about the level of quality control.
http://i62.tinypic.com/24wsz2b.jpg



The secondaries.
The secondaries seem fine. Good length with a nice merge. Except when you look down into the collector end.
You can clearly see that the pipe on the inside is not flush. Again, not a big deal but enough to disrupt the airflow none the less. In this case it almost has the effect of narrowing the pipe. I'll have to speak to the exhaust fab guys and see if we can open it up a little.
http://i62.tinypic.com/14ecqwm.jpg




Conclusion.
The primaries are roughly the same length as the secondaries, indicating a balanced design looking to offer good low and mid rpm performance without sacrificing too much high rpm performance. A short collector with a relatively smooth merge should help keep velocity up and provide a slight improvement in peak power. Again, also note the non-sequential pairing of the primaries.

All in all, (pre-intallation) I'd say these headers get a 6 out of 10. Despite the minor 'defects' they seem to be a good set of pipes. Also with a D16Z2 engine there aren't many pipes to choose from. Originally I was looking into X-Force, but after speaking to them I chose not to proceed as they could not guarantee their pipe would fit in my Civic / Concerto hybrid. However if these Megan Racing headers turn out to be useless, I may have to take a gamble with X-Force and hope they fit without too much modifying.

The real test will come once they are installed. Yes, they will perform better than stock. The question is: how will they hold up structurally? Only time will tell.

[SpikeED3]

Also, Here is the catalytic converter from Scorpion.

200 CPSI, Metalic, 2" in 2" out

http://i62.tinypic.com/212trw0.jpg

[rc_]

Where the headers meet the block looks interesting. There seems to be a little more weld blocking the air flow from cylinders number 2 and 3. Even though this is a minor issue, cylinders 1 and 4 clearly don't have the same problem. So why aren't they all the same?

http://i60.tinypic.com/2vaifev.jpg


If you look in the left pipe you can see the small lump of slag still left behind. Is it a big deal? Not really. But it may reveals a little something about the level of quality control.



I have a set of OEM dc2r headers at home (aus spec). I was surprised how badly they were welded together when I looked closely at the ports.

2 of them look pretty much like your Megan racing ones with a big lip and weld bead on the bottom edge but the other 2 are a fair bit smoother. The merge at the collector was a lot better though very small diameter.

Seems it's not only after market with shit QC.

[SpikeED3]

I have a set of OEM dc2r headers at home (aus spec). I was surprised how badly they were welded together when I looked closely at the ports.

2 of them look pretty much like your Megan racing ones with a big lip and weld bead on the bottom edge but the other 2 are a fair bit smoother. The merge at the collector was a lot better though very small diameter.

Seems it's not only after market with shit QC.



That sucks the big one. With all the companies talk about better air flow and R&D etc you'd think they'd give more of a damn about QC.

Have they been installed on your car long? If so, how have they held up over time?


That being said I like the quality of Bisimoto headers, but I also like having power steering and a/c.

[Renaissance_x]

How are they for ground clearance compared to the stock headers?

[SpikeED3]

How are they for ground clearance compared to the stock headers?

Who me? or rc?

I haven't installed them yet, should be done in a few days. They are a 4-2-1 set-up so they should offer more clearance than a 4-1 but I won't know for sure until installation if they are as good as stock. I hope they allow some clearance, I wouldn't mind dropping the car, just one more inch.

[rc_]

That sucks the big one. With all the companies talk about better air flow and R&D etc you'd think they'd give more of a damn about QC.

Have they been installed on your car long? If so, how have they held up over time?


That being said I like the quality of Bisimoto headers, but I also like having power steering and a/c.

I haven't installed them yet. I've got a die grinder to fix up the ports.

The collector I've cut it before the restriction so it's min 57mn ID instead of 40mm that it comes with.

I don't think they'll have any durability issues, it's just they aren't very well put together considering they are supposedly for a hi-po production car.

[cbauto]

Got my new exhaust Megan Racing headers today!


First impressions...
They came from USA to AU in a cardboard box with no protection other than individual plastic bags. :eek:

Luckily nothing seems to be broken or bent.

The 3 bolts that come with the kit were out of their little baggie and rattling around in the box as I received it from the courier. :eek::eek:

Again, luckily, this only damaged was to the top of the secondaries and the primaries were undamaged.

The finish on these headers are nice in stainless steel.

(The kit)
http://i57.tinypic.com/14j7ub6.jpg

(Top of the primaries)
http://i57.tinypic.com/5umlmq.jpg




The primaries.
The overall finish is what I expected. Non-sequential pairing of the primaries confirm they sent the right set of pipes for my engine. The pipes merge together ok with the length of pipe they have. The welds seem to look good, if not a little too good. It almost looks like they have used the bare minimum amount of weld material to get the job done. This means they have either refined the manufacturing process perfectly, or they are cheap.
Pro's: less product weight, cheaper to produce.
Con's: might crack a weld over time, or with extreme heating or cooling.

Where the headers meet the block looks interesting. There seems to be a little more weld blocking the air flow from cylinders number 2 and 3. Even though this is a minor issue, cylinders 1 and 4 clearly don't have the same problem. So why aren't they all the same?

http://i60.tinypic.com/2vaifev.jpg


If you look in the left pipe you can see the small lump of slag still left behind. Is it a big deal? Not really. But it may reveals a little something about the level of quality control.
http://i62.tinypic.com/24wsz2b.jpg



The secondaries.
The secondaries seem fine. Good length with a nice merge. Except when you look down into the collector end.
You can clearly see that the pipe on the inside is not flush. Again, not a big deal but enough to disrupt the airflow none the less. In this case it almost has the effect of narrowing the pipe. I'll have to speak to the exhaust fab guys and see if we can open it up a little.
http://i62.tinypic.com/14ecqwm.jpg




Conclusion.
The primaries are roughly the same length as the secondaries, indicating a balanced design looking to offer good low and mid rpm performance without sacrificing too much high rpm performance. A short collector with a relatively smooth merge should help keep velocity up and provide a slight improvement in peak power. Again, also note the non-sequential pairing of the primaries.

All in all, (pre-intallation) I'd say these headers get a 6 out of 10. Despite the minor 'defects' they seem to be a good set of pipes. Also with a D16Z2 engine there aren't many pipes to choose from. Originally I was looking into X-Force, but after speaking to them I chose not to proceed as they could not guarantee their pipe would fit in my Civic / Concerto hybrid. However if these Megan Racing headers turn out to be useless, I may have to take a gamble with X-Force and hope they fit without too much modifying.

The real test will come once they are installed. Yes, they will perform better than stock. The question is: how will they hold up structurally? Only time will tell.
looks shit tbh

[RenzokukenJ]

doubt that would disrupt the flow that much lol

[SpikeED3]

yeah not as good as I'd prefer, but better than ebay at least.
Again, I don't really have a choice. it's either ebay sht, Bisimoto with no power steering or a/c or these Megan's
or DC or hurricane which both have worse reviews than Megan.

[SpikeED3]

doubt that would disrupt the flow that much lol


Ya. In reality it's not going to make an average header much better. if at all.
For a daily these will be fine.

[amant02]

I would've gone custom over Megan racing.

[u mad?]

I would've gone custom over Megan racing.

for a d series?

[amant02]

for a d series?

Dude his got mugen Tyre valves, his balling.

[RenzokukenJ]

Ya. In reality it's not going to make an average header much better. if at all.
For a daily these will be fine.

thats it, only 1.6 litre, doubt will see gains if anything

but yes i would still complain, its the principle hehe

[SpikeED3]

I would've gone custom over Megan racing.
Not worth it. would have cost too many $$ for custom headers. It's a daily not a track car. For the price of a total custom system I could buy another motorbike. I just wanted something to replace my stock, rusted, held on with hanger wire, not road worthy, exhaust.


Dude his got mugen Tyre valves, his balling.
lol more like, bored.

[SpikeED3]

thats it, only 1.6 litre, doubt will see gains if anything

but yes i would still complain, its the principle hehe

lololol ;)

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Spike, the headers will last the test of time. I think that they will do well.
Did you have a look for reviews of that specific header?

[SpikeED3]

Spike, the headers will last the test of time. I think that they will do well.
Did you have a look for reviews of that specific header?

Yup. I looked up every header I could find that would fit my engine (D16Z2). Read as many reviews as I could find too.
The Megan's had good consistent reviews, for the most part. So for a mid range header I figured it would be the best bet.

[amant02]

Pretty sure xforce make em for d series too.

Shouldn't all d16 be interchangeable?

[SpikeED3]

Pretty sure xforce make em for d series too.

Shouldn't all d16 be interchangeable?

Yup they do. And they were my first choice. But I called them and they said they can't guarantee that they will fit because I have the automatic concerto engine in a civic chassis. Given the Xforce headers would cost around $620, I thought the risk was too high for what I needed.

[Renaissance_x]

How much for megan?

[SpikeED3]

How much for megan?

$325 minus $25 discount so AU$297 total (delivered from USA)

[cbauto]

$325 minus $25 discount so AU$297 total (delivered from USA)
were u really expecting quality for under 300 buk?

[Renaissance_x]

He never said he wasn't happy with the quality.

[cbauto]

He never said he wasn't happy with the quality.
Did i ask you a question?

[SpikeED3]

He never said he wasn't happy with the quality.

:thumbsup:

[SpikeED3]

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[grifty]

Cot dayum mint! Notice any difference?

[SpikeED3]

:D
I haven't really gone anywhere yet so I can't tell. but the car is about 1000KG lighter lol the stock headers and secondary pipes weigh a tone. I'll be taking it out soon so i'll see how it goes.

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Looking forward to the next post with some more feed back and how much you gained on the butt dyno.

[SpikeED3]

The good.
It's all about the gains, brah. Get swole.
The car is lighter.:thumbsup:
Headers are prettyeeeeeee, dayleeeeeee.
The performance has increased throughout the rev range. The most noticeable increase in performance is at Mid-range RPM. I start to feel a difference above 2,000. even more noticeable above 2,500. After 3,000 there's an obvious increase in power (over stock) all the way to 6,000 after which it slowly drops off.
Engine feels like it's struggling much less. Even my wife said she noticed this.
Engine is far more responsive. :thumbsup: All day.
Engine note is awesome. At low RPM (under 2,000) the tone sounds very low for a 1.6, it resonates nicely at low Hz and makes the engine sound bigger than it is. Even the exhaust people said it sounds deeper than it should even though they don't know why. lolz. At mid and high RPM it has a slightly lower note (than stock) but still sounds very nicely tuned. No raspyness :thumbsup::thumbsup:


The Bad
It's not loud enough :(. It's only slightly louder than stock. I'd like it to be just a smidge louder. I don't want to be the :honda:onda that screams down the street but I'd like it to be loud enough to make me smile while I drive. The muffler is a pipe in, chamber, pipe out, not baffled. Now I've ordered in a straight through muffler too and when it arrives I'll compare the two and go with what sounds the best.

I've lost a few cm in ground clearance, where the headers join the catalytic converter the bold-on clamps stick out very slightly. This means my future plans to drop the car another 2 inches will have to be restricted to 1.5 inches.


The ugly
The exhaust (from the muffler) has gone from dual chrome to single steel :thumbdwn: I don't salute that. Once I finalise the muffler I'll make it dual chrome again.





So that's what's up.
All-in-all I salute the performance gains. It's made the car faster, I can't ignore it. I've been driving around today chopping everyone. lolololololololololol
That being said, I got a custom fabricated cat-back system with an 18 inch resonator to go with the headers and high-flow cat. So I can only say how they all worked together, I don't know how the headers would have performed alone.
It's all about the gains, brah.

If I can I'll make a video.

[Vvvtec]

Lmaoooo

[carayan]

dat d series doe

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

I vote muffler tip is semi bozoku ;) you'll get plenty of noise lmao

Glad you're happy with the header, I'm shocked the Mrs noticed lol

[u mad?]

You think its too quiet now, but if you make it louder, in 6 months time you'll think 'i shoulda left it how it is'

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

You think its too quiet now, but if you make it louder, in 6 months time you'll think 'i shoulda left it how it is'

It's a D-series met.

















BoooooooooooooooooooooooooBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA aaaa

[u mad?]

exactly, even more reason to keep it quiet

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

exactly, even more reason to take the resonator out of the airbox

Fixed it for you.

[SpikeED3]

The resonator (hot dog/spark arrestor) is in the cat-back. if I take it out it'll sound all raspy. :thumbdwn:

In the end I might just leave it.

lolz this car is anything but bozoku (http://www.tsg.cc/user/tuned/civic-ed3/bosozoku_socal_civic_ed3_017.jpg). muffler tip is just to make it chrome and look better than the current steel look which will inevitably rust.

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

lolz this car is anything but bozoku (http://www.tsg.cc/user/tuned/civic-ed3/bosozoku_socal_civic_ed3_017.jpg).

hahahahaa

I didn't mean ridiculous like that. Just something that sticks out ever slightly - no more then 30cm or so..

[SpikeED3]

lolz 30cm? slightly?
do you mean 3cm?

[SpikeED3]

What's wrong with a D series?

[SpikeED3]

Small update.

The original speakers have been buzzing for a while. Which is what happens when the speaker roll hardens and disintegrates. So I installed some Clarion speakers to replace them. Much better.

end.

[RenzokukenJ]

Get swole

[Jasemas]

Small update.

The original speakers have been buzzing for a while. Which is what happens when the speaker roll hardens and disintegrates. So I installed some Clarion speakers to replace them. Much better.

end.

Pics of speakers please

[SpikeED3]

Get swole

hahaha! Dailyeeeeeee, brah!




Pics of speakers please
They're only a nice set of 3-way splits. They won't win any db drags or anything. The sound quality is great, volume is loud enough. They give descent enough bass so i don't need to install a sub. and without a sub i save weight and get to keep a light car that handles well.
and, they fit the honda gills etc so the stereo still looks stock.... other than the head unit. so yeah, got them for front and back.
http://www.clarion.com/ca/en/products-personal/speaker/SRQ1633R/
http://i59.tinypic.com/fxymwm.jpg

[SpikeED3]

Does anyone know where the EGR is on the D16Z2 ???? This is driving me nuts!:mad: aaaaaahhhhhhhggggggggggggg!

[RenzokukenJ]

above the distributor if you have it, i dont think d series did though..

[SpikeED3]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm i'll take a photo and see if we can see it.

i'm geting accelertion hesitation and bogging at around 2,000 RPM. the cat is new, i changed the fuel filter the other week, the O2 sensors seem to be working, spark plugs are good..... the only other thing i can think of is EGR is playing up or the dizzy needs cleaning, or the fuel pump needs replacing.

[RenzokukenJ]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm i'll take a photo and see if we can see it.

i'm geting accelertion hesitation and bogging at around 2,000 RPM. the cat is new, i changed the fuel filter the other week, the O2 sensors seem to be working, spark plugs are good..... the only other thing i can think of is EGR is playing up or the dizzy needs cleaning, or the fuel pump needs replacing.

i had the same problem on my prelude, which had the EGR.

while it did fix it temporarily, it came back within a week or two

have you cleaned the throttle body and what not as well?

[Renaissance_x]

What's wrong with a D series?

Nothing, they are a fun little engine, it's just people have to compare them to b series for some reason.

compared to b series they aren't too powerful..

But a d series can be a fun little engine none the less, especially on a twisty enough road... On a twisty road any car that handles well will be fun.

[SpikeED3]

i had the same problem on my prelude, which had the EGR.

while it did fix it temporarily, it came back within a week or two

have you cleaned the throttle body and what not as well?

The intake is clean but i didn't clean the throttle body, i'll try that before buying a pump, thanks!

[SpikeED3]

Nothing, they are a fun little engine, it's just people have to compare them to b series for some reason.

compared to b series they aren't too powerful..

But a d series can be a fun little engine none the less, especially on a twisty enough road... On a twisty road any car that handles well will be fun.

ok, yeah, you can't really compare a SOCH to a DOCH vtech. But it's a surprising little engine for what it is. There's no real acceleration down the straights but I really loose 'em in the corners. lolol

[SpikeED3]

here's pic of the distrib

http://i61.tinypic.com/dbqvko.jpg



http://i58.tinypic.com/kd8t45.jpg



http://i59.tinypic.com/10zy808.jpg

[Jasemas]

Can you chuck us a photo of the fuel injector rail
usually the EGR port has a runner that runs along the top of it
I know some Honda engines here did NOT come with an EGR port like their USA counterparts

If you're stuttering at 2k rpm it's probably your o2 sensor playing up (Under certain light load the ecu takes info from the MAP & o2 sensor)
Does it bog at WoT (wide open throttle)?
Had a similar problem with my old accord, were it would hesitate at that rpm - i replaced my IACV (cleaning did not work) and reset my base idle, after bleeding my coolant and checking vaccuum leaks
Also hows ignition timing?
Any CEL's?

[RenzokukenJ]

I just had a google, D16Z does not come with EGR

[SpikeED3]

Can you chuck us a photo of the fuel injector rail
usually the EGR port has a runner that runs along the top of it
I know some Honda engines here did NOT come with an EGR port like their USA counterparts

If you're stuttering at 2k rpm it's probably your o2 sensor playing up (Under certain light load the ecu takes info from the MAP & o2 sensor)
Does it bog at WoT (wide open throttle)?
Had a similar problem with my old accord, were it would hesitate at that rpm - i replaced my IACV (cleaning did not work) and reset my base idle, after bleeding my coolant and checking vaccuum leaks
Also hows ignition timing?
Any CEL's?


http://i57.tinypic.com/j7u3w4.jpg

http://i61.tinypic.com/1z56btj.jpg

If you need more photos i can take them :)

WOT is always fine.
Checked the radiator and there's no bubbles so it doesn't look like there's a cracked head.
The ignition timing might be a cause. i went to do it today but can't do it because i can't find the little plug thing to cross-wire before a looking at the timing.
http://i58.tinypic.com/6htkjo.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/10dwpid.jpg

[SpikeED3]

i just cleaned the intake manifold. man, it had nice coat of black crud.

I might take if for a drive later to mcD's and see how that goes.

but i do have another question....
there was this hose that goes from the top left corner of the valve cover into the intake. i suspect this is the case if the crud.
Does anyone know if i can remove it? can i just add on of those valve cover external oil filters??
http://i61.tinypic.com/1z56btj.jpg



http://i62.tinypic.com/122gtol.jpg
stupid pipe spewing shit in my shit.

[Vvvtec]

Jimper wire

[RenzokukenJ]

i just cleaned the intake manifold. man, it had nice coat of black crud, the inside was dirtier than my wife!!

I might take if for a drive later to mcD's and see how that goes.

but i do have another question....
there was this hose that goes from the top left corner of the valve cover into the intake. i suspect this is the case if the crud.
Does anyone know if i can remove it? can i just add on of those valve cover external oil filters??
http://i61.tinypic.com/1z56btj.jpg

you can, but its illegal

[SpikeED3]

Jimper wire
yup



you can, but its illegal

Maybe i can split it, add a hidden filter and block off the part that goes to the intake,..... anyway i'm more concerned about my current issue.

[k20paddy]

Interested in knowing how she got a fuel pump in there. If all ed3s are carb, was the tank replaced from the concerto or pump added to the existing tank?

Nice car, good to see some of these still knocking around.

[grifty]

Interested in knowing how she got a fuel pump in there. If all ed3s are carb, was the tank replaced from the concerto or pump added to the existing tank?

Nice car, good to see some of these still knocking around.

Concerto tank is pretty much identical, i wouldnt be surprised if it's also using the concerto fuel lines.

That jumper plug you'll be able to find around the passenger side of the firewall, it's got a yellow rubber plug on it.

[SpikeED3]

Interested in knowing how she got a fuel pump in there. If all ed3s are carb, was the tank replaced from the concerto or pump added to the existing tank?

Nice car, good to see some of these still knocking around.


Concerto tank is pretty much identical, i wouldnt be surprised if it's also using the concerto fuel lines.

That jumper plug you'll be able to find around the passenger side of the firewall, it's got a yellow rubber plug on it.


I don't know about the fuel system, I'll have to ask or take a look. still can't find that little yellow sucker...


Yeah i haven't seen many of these around.

[SpikeED3]

OK I've learnt some new things about this bogging down at 2,000

Exhibit A

I have 2 of these problems.
"difficult to start cold engine" & "poor performance - loss of power"
I know the injectors are good, I've already changed the fuel filter for a new one so the only other thing that is mentioned in both of these issues is the fuel pump. That being said, i've disconnected the fuel line from the fuel filter and it seems to prime ok...
http://i58.tinypic.com/2iafthk.jpg


Exhibit B

The lag at 2,000 seems to happen more when the engine bay is hot. so it happens more on hot days, and it happens more after running the engine hard. This leads me to believe it might be an O2 sensor failing as it gets hot.





But no, there is no CEL on.

[SpikeED3]

I just had a google, D16Z does not come with EGR


Cheers! I thought I was going nuts!

[RenzokukenJ]

maybe its heat soak lol

[SpikeED3]

maybe its heat soak lol


lololol yeah it's such a monster :cool:


btw thanks everyone for the help. I really appreciate it.

[grifty]

post pics of the wiring around the passenger side of the firewall, i might be able to identify it.

[SpikeED3]

http://i62.tinypic.com/idrwcl.jpg


http://i62.tinypic.com/51cvno.jpg


http://i59.tinypic.com/15o9fth.jpg


http://i61.tinypic.com/30lp18i.jpg


http://i57.tinypic.com/5bs5w.jpg


http://i59.tinypic.com/5nn7te.jpg


If you need pics of anything else i can take them

[grifty]

I think this is it

http://i57.tinypic.com/2zrl2d5.jpg

[Miniman_Alis]

Brown and green are the colours for the diagnostic connector so it looks to be it.

[SpikeED3]

I thought it was that too. In the manual it says it's a rubber cap. but this is a connector connected to a sensor in the A/C. But i don't know, maybe it is it.

http://i57.tinypic.com/1zoji34.jpg

http://i61.tinypic.com/2q3oq3a.jpg

[grifty]

i'll double check on my car, that looks like a P/S pressure switch.

[SpikeED3]

yup, you're right.

Finding this is more challenging than I thought it would be....

maybe I should make a video of the whole engine bay??

[SpikeED3]

Well here's a video. I just can't figure it out. is there any other way i can make the same cross connection so i can do the timing?


https://youtu.be/ovNXXALNQuY

[Wanderer]

How many km's are on that engine? Has the dizzy ever been opened up? It's an external coil from what I can tell.

[Miniman_Alis]

No its definitely not external coil.

[Wanderer]

Could be time to rebuild the Dizzy

[SpikeED3]

OK yeah I could take a look at the dizzy after I did the ignition timing. but I'm still figuring out how to do it so I'll clean the dizzy and see if it helps.

Yes it does have an external coil.

[SpikeED3]

Finally got the exhaust tips sorted. 2inch inlet, 2 x 2.25inch outlet.
http://i57.tinypic.com/29uq3vc.jpg

http://i61.tinypic.com/5dnu49.jpg

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Yeeeeeeeiiiiiiiìiiiiiiiiiii!!!

[Setanta]

I like what you are doing with this - I've always had a soft spot for ED/EF/EE Civics. Re the piping, if it's blowing a lot of oil into your intake, there's an internal leak somewhere, possibly valve stem seals which is over-pressurising the valve cover. It's normal to blow a little, hence the system. Best bet is to not vent it to the atmosphere as it's illegal but to plumb it into an oil catch can that can be tucked hidden out of the way (and then vented).

[u mad?]

WHo put the type r sticker on

[RenzokukenJ]

WHo put the type r sticker on
Honda of course

[carayan]

Ed type r

[u mad?]

Honda of course

fuk im an idiot

how could i not have known that

[SpikeED3]

Yeeeeeeeiiiiiiiìiiiiiiiiiii!!!
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!:cool:



I like what you are doing with this - I've always had a soft spot for ED/EF/EE Civics. Re the piping, if it's blowing a lot of oil into your intake, there's an internal leak somewhere, possibly valve stem seals which is over-pressurising the valve cover. It's normal to blow a little, hence the system. Best bet is to not vent it to the atmosphere as it's illegal but to plumb it into an oil catch can that can be tucked hidden out of the way (and then vented).
Thanks :) that's good advice. it doesn't seem to be venting excessively, I think the build up is just the result of years of use. I'm looking into the oil catch can now. any brand recommendations?

[Renaissance_x]

I like your car however I don't like your type R sticker.

No offence.

[SpikeED3]

I like your car however I don't like your type R sticker.

No offence.

None taken :)

It was already on there when I got it. I guess it's some sort of joke. It'll be coming off when I to the body and paint anyway, I was originally thinking of putting an official type R civic badge on once the new paint gets done.... but my taste in humour has changed a bit since then.... so I'm not so sure.

[amant02]

Mate keep it clean. NO STICKERS!

I would even shave and fill in badge holes so no badges.

Just that clean look.

[SpikeED3]

Mate keep it clean. NO STICKERS!

I would even shave and fill in badge holes so no badges.

Just that clean look.

Hmmmmmm that would be cool if I changed the colour to black or something. colour change is a big job though. I think when I do respray I'll keep it original and stick with the Honda silver...... I think

[SpikeED3]

Just installed a K&N air filter.

Anyone know the best oil catch can set-up for a D16? There's a lot of random info out there.

[grifty]

check out go-autoworks, they make good kits but not cheap.

[SpikeED3]

Thanks i'll check them out :thumbsup: