Type R versus Celica ZR

[jaffa_cree]

i have 2 mates
one of which has a 99 Integra Type R and the other a 2002 Celica ZR
both are 1.8L engines and both put out around 140 kw
the celica is a 6 speed manual
both cars are stock

they aint no racers and dont want to drag
but they would like to know which of the 2 are the better car?
in terms of straight line performance, 0-100 and 1/4 mile times?
and also on the track

[civicboy]

let me drive the ITR & let some1 drive d ZR if they dnt wana drag & find out the power output of both cars ;)

hihihi jks man.

[Chi]

ill drive the ZR, but no garuntees that we will return them once we launch

But i think the ITR would be faster....

[UR2L8]

The Celica is faster but not by much if your only talking straight line 400metre distance. Not by much ofcource but little faster, I got a clip of a Type R vs Celica 2002 model, and it just wins by a 1-2 car legths down the quarter. But track performace stock, the TYpeR hands down wins.

[Xenon]

The type r will beat the down the quarter mile, the celica has its peak power and torque very very high up in the rev range (140kw@7600, 180Nm@6800) simalar to the type r, however due to its gearing, the celica tends to fall out of its shorter powerband when shifting up unlike the itr..

umm rough figures would be low 15s for itr, mid to high 15s for celica zr..


On the track, the sussy setup btw the itr and celica cannot compare..the itr was primarily designed to be used for trackwork and the sussy has been tuned for this..also the brakes in the itr pisses all over the celica.

[Spunkymonkey]

have played with one in my vtir (unfortunately not far enough to be substantial lol)...earlier in the year when my car had I/H/E and lightened flywheel....

I was ahead after 1st gear by about a metre...and half way through 2nd gear we were side by side, before I turned off.

I think he would have overpowered me by top of 2nd...but would have been interesting to see how it went.

[vti-2]

This should be in Track/Drag Racing. ;)

[[[d a n n y]]]

mate ITR will smacked the shit out of the celica...

6speed or not...aintamtter..

the VVTi's just cant keep up with the vtec's

my friends ZR is not that fast mate..

[A'PEXi]

the civic type r beats the celica by a tad, the dc2r shouldnt have a problem what so ever. bye bye celica :D

[tofu R]

zr /sx same shit

zr weighs more than sx and has abs..
same power ..same shit ..

[totti]

celica is supposed to run a flat 16 compared to flat - low 15 for ITR

[[[d a n n y]]]

celica is supposed to run a flat 16 compared to flat - low 15 for ITR

16flat more like 17 to 18 ish

[eg6powah]

i killed a celica the other night...no sweat, is the new ones but not sure which model

[totti]

nah man danny...you might get a surprise with your new b16a

there's only one way to find out

[[[d a n n y]]]

yeah well

if all goes well...

tuneup is important

[Civic Type R]

Motor Magazine did a road test comparing the two.
I had a very serious heated arguement 2 years ago regarding this on a Toyota based "Shit on honda.com" forum too.

The Honda wins all comparisons. Stock vs stock. buts its very close !

[pornstar]

forgot tho, that the celica isnt 1.8, its a 2 litre...

[[[d a n n y]]]

forgot tho, that the celica isnt 1.8, its a 2 litre...

1.8 VVTi?

what 2l?

the old 1's where 2.2 l camry engines

[totti]

new celicas are 1.8L vvti

[Rowie]

heres the 400m times:

Integra TypeR - 15.1 secs
Integra TypeR (jap spec) - 14.8 secs


Celica ZR - 15.4 secs

[Rowie]

and yes, the 2002 celica ZR is 1.8L VVTL-i

[biss]

boys i chopped 1 fair and square the celica is not a honda and that why itl loose also come down to myself bein a pretty good driver :P

[joneblaze]

boys i chopped 1 fair and square the celica is not a honda and that why itl loose also come down to myself bein a pretty good driver :P


....wow! openmindedness towards other car makes, perfect grammar AND modesty! :roll:
What an asset you are to OH.......

[honda_fanatic]

JONE BLAZE... tsk tsk tsk. A wise hondowian once said to me, if you've got nothing to say, dont say it at all! Now don't you think instead of taking that minute or so of your life, trying to make biss feel stupid, you could have been doing something constructive with your life???

[[[d a n n y]]]

is hondowian even a correct term ?
neva heard of it..

[joneblaze]

It's just a term our young Fanatic is trying to implement. I only bothered posting my displeasure because that's what most people are thinking. I DID have something to say. And if i have the spare time to do so then i shall. :)
If you're some Honda fanboy who thinks you're a fully sick driver and you're going to beat a car with alot more power than yours fair and square (AKA the other driver is NOT a paraplegic), and that Hondas rule and will fully beat any other car, then you're a loss. The only reason i made Biss "feel stupid", was because he "talked stupid". And btw Fanatic boy, you just wasted a few minutes of YOUR time too mate....

[mr-n14]

well said Joneblaze. :)

[pornstar]

the new celicas are 1.8? but the ones with the old vvti engines arent are they?

[tofu R]

old vvti engines?
umm four words ..

www.toyota.com.au

[wynode]

The older Celicas had the 2.2L camry engine. Then the newer VVT-i engines had just a 1.8L engine with no variable valve lift.

Not long after that they released the VVTL-i version (1.8) with variable valve lift. ZR vs SX is just features. In fact the ZR is heavier than the SX.