E85 fuel problems...

[39erman]

Just stripped down the B18C from the Integra looking at the damage from E Ck. Noticed that the oil was getting thin or watered down (Motul changed every meeting). Also the bearings are all marked up with a cloudy film. No expense spared when engine was built earlier this year with all new bits.

My question is, is the E85 hurting the engine and oil? It's E85 from United.

Any thoughts or ideas from your experiences would be appreciated.

[Fredoops]

Is Motul you're using even E85 compatible?

I think it's only the 300V thats E85 a-ok

[39erman]

Is Motul you're using even E85 compatible?

I think it's only the 300V thats E85 a-ok

Hmm, yes,of course! Thanks............

[39erman]

What would you recommend for a full track car with over 13:1 comp?

[lilthug]

i would ask the engine builder or tuner

[Spoon-Accord]

I usually use Penrith racing 10tenths. On b or k series I usually run a tad thicker on track(normally 10w40, I go with 15w50) just to help and slow down the thinning of the oil.

also a few high HP supras on e85 in using martini racing 10w60, seems to be awesome aswell

[bennjamin]

i would ask the engine builder or tuner

This.

Sounds like a "copy n paste" tuner....

[39erman]

No way. Highly recommended & proactive tuner in NSW motorsport.
More than likely lack of knowledge on our part.
But now we know...

[bennjamin]

Then take it back to them instead of hoping for internets to answer you lol

[39erman]

Then take it back to them instead of hoping for internets to answer you lol

So your not allowed to ask technical questions on Ozhonda that you don't know the answer to?

[IEVAQ8]

I would NOT b running cheap nasty crappy e85 from UNITED on a NO Expenses spared engine...
fuk that man...

[Fredoops]

I would NOT b running cheap nasty crappy e85 from UNITED on a NO Expenses spared engine...
fuk that man...

what E85 would you use then?

[Fredoops]

This.

Sounds like a "copy n paste" tuner....

OHHHH!!!!!

NOOWWWW I Get it....

NVM then,

[IEVAQ8]

what E85 would you use then?

no offence and to the others who use it...

but I wouldn't use E85 full stop, but If u had to, make sure u buy barrel, but then again it will still destroy ur engine the way pump e85 has...

my point is, u spend open budget for the engine, but u go cheap on the fuel, which in essence keeps the engine alive...

fork out for proper race fuel VP race fuel c16, martini racing 110, power plus 110, ELF Purfo 105

[Stevil]

IEVAQ8 having run United e85 daily for 2 years along with a bunch of mates, the claim that United e85 will destroy ur motor is hilarious, seriously, Ive tested the Ethanol content at both Caltex and United and its a better product.

Now if youve got pockets lined with gold by all means Use the expensive stuff but dont go sprouting shit about those who sucesfully used United e85.

Aussie produced Nulon oil is a no brainer for my Civic and results at the track and strip indicate its good shit.

[IEVAQ8]

IEVAQ8 having run United e85 daily for 2 years along with a bunch of mates, the claim that United e85 will destroy ur motor is hilarious, seriously, Ive tested the Ethanol content at both Caltex and United and its a better product.

Now if youve got pockets lined with gold by all means Use the expensive stuff but dont go sprouting shit about those who sucesfully used United e85.

Aussie produced Nulon oil is a no brainer for my Civic and results at the track and strip indicate its good shit.

wen u use e85 daily, it doesn't have time to corrode and cause u issues,
so yeh u can get away with it as daily, and if it hasn't caused any1 issues and it sits around, they either using a additive to keep it from going off and corroding or they full of shit, I seen it and experienced it first hand, I don't internet keyboard on issues or debates if I dnt know wat im talking about ;)


and u cant talk to me about having gold in ur pockets, if u have OPEN budget for engine build (like OP claims), then y go cheap on fuel...

[39erman]

Engines out and apart, so it looks likely the problem is the injectors. They've lost their spray pattern and are like a fire hose washing fuel down the bores. Engine builder says this is common with cars that sit between runs. The injectors were new at the start of the year, only did 4 race meetings and some practice days, their ID1000's.

[39erman]

wen u use e85 daily, it doesn't have time to corrode and cause u issues,
so yeh u can get away with it as daily, and if it hasn't caused any1 issues and it sits around, they either using a additive to keep it from going off and corroding or they full of shit, I seen it and experienced it first hand, I don't internet keyboard on issues or debates if I dnt know wat im talking about ;)


and u cant talk to me about having gold in ur pockets, if u have OPEN budget for engine build (like OP claims), then y go cheap on fuel...

Oh, and we make more power than Avgas on E85.

[bennjamin]

Who is your builder ?
Good to see its getting worked out !

[39erman]

Engine Action, Kensington...

[connorling]

Engines out and apart, so it looks likely the problem is the injectors. They've lost their spray pattern and are like a fire hose washing fuel down the bores. Engine builder says this is common with cars that sit between runs. The injectors were new at the start of the year, only did 4 race meetings and some practice days, their ID1000's.

so it was ID1000 faulty?
I just ordered a set of ID1000 as well.... but I wont be running E. just normal 98 oct for me.

[39erman]

so it was ID1000 faulty?
I just ordered a set of ID1000 as well.... but I wont be running E. just normal 98 oct for me.

ID's are No.1. We'll just get a 2nd set so we can swap them out after every race meet whilst the others get cleaned/flowed.

[IEVAQ8]

so it was ID1000 faulty?
I just ordered a set of ID1000 as well.... but I wont be running E. just normal 98 oct for me.

id's aren't the problem...LOL

its the JUNK E85 they using thru them
wen ur id's arrive, do me a massive favour and read the little WARNING card
if u can take a pic and post it up so people can understand wat Ethanol does to engines and fuel systems...

even the manufacturer of fuel system parts has a WARNING, e85 must be amazing if there is a WARNING about it...

[IEVAQ8]

Oh, and we make more power than Avgas on E85.

who said anything about AVGAS???

[amant02]

For what its worth, Im tuned on 98. I have driven a rexie with similar setup to mine but on e85.

That response n spool ! E85 all the way!

[Stevil]

Dude your claim of junk e85 is hilarious, yeah its corrosive and dailys avoid this but where is your evidence ?

[lilthug]

http://www.nulon.com.au/products/Fuel_Treatments/E85_Performance_Fuel_Treatment


heard good things about this product

[39erman]

Yeah, we started using it in the last 2 meets. We'll see how it goes...

[IEVAQ8]

Dude your claim of junk e85 is hilarious, yeah its corrosive and dailys avoid this but where is your evidence ?

How is it hilarious wen u just said its corrosive???
LOL
im out of here...
No point bothering with amatures who cant accept the facts...
Baaahhhh

Wheres cbauto wen u need him...

[bennjamin]

Maybe Built by a backyard and tuned via copy n paste ? Lol

E85 can see up to 20-30% power increase on a proper built turboed big boost setup. But you are using up to 50% more fuel to do the same distance. This is out of the sealed drum stats - stuff from United is very likely to be contaminated with moisture and definitely inconsistencies in quality.
For the 1/4 monster car or for WTAC it's worth it. Out of a sealed
drum only.

Anyone else - stick with 98 or other race fuel

[cbauto]

Wheres cbauto wen u need him...

At ur service.




Dude your claim of junk e85 is hilarious, yeah its corrosive and dailys avoid this but where is your evidence ?

Did you turbo an r18?

[IEVAQ8]

Maybe Built by a backyard and tuned via copy n paste ? Lol

E85 can see up to 20-30% power increase on a proper built turboed big boost setup. But you are using up to 50% more fuel to do the same distance. This is out of the sealed drum stats - stuff from United is very likely to be contaminated with moisture and definitely inconsistencies in quality.
For the 1/4 monster car or for WTAC it's worth it. Out of a sealed
drum only.

Anyone else - stick with 98 or other race fuel

Nice post...
Well said...
Particularly ur LAST sentence ;)

[cbauto]

FYI. cbauto does more tunes in a month than any other builder/tuner does in a year.

Whatever fuel you use. Take it to us and we will make more power with long lasting performance.

[39erman]

The tuner we use is well known in our racing world. You might have seen his mug as part of the JDM Yard WTA cars this year.

For me it comes down to personal choices. We are just ameteurs, weekend warriors, not even in the motor industry yet we manage to roll out a competitive car that 95% of all work is done in my small garage at home. So cost to race is our limiting factor. Which is why I simply post on here and ask a question from hopefully those who have experience.

I appreciate everyones response and from them we'll decide whats usefull, but while we're paying the bills this has the No.1 effect on our decissions.

Cheers...

[39erman]

I'm also well aware of the dangers on posting on forums from the faceless crowd.

[bennjamin]

Best of luck to you.

Yet again as I said - use it from a sealed drum not a servo. Why ? Coz race car

[Stevil]

Yep had my R18 turbo d for 80,000 km would have done 20+ trackdays, used Nulon oil, never saw cloudy, infact oil often came out looking almost new after 5000km and a trackday,.probably had 15-20 oil changes. Car wasnt left sitting for.long

Had my 2.4 frank running for 25k now, only done 8 trackdays including 2 fulldays at both NSW and the world time attack, highest placed NA in clubspring, it gets driven once a fortnight now down the beach since i bought a jeep, Nulon e85 fuel stabilizer in the tank, again no issues.

Been running fuel stabilizers in my fishing boat for 3 years (1000cc 5ripple 2 stroke).

Just an amateur having fun. My R18 got 3 tunes for 98, caltex and United, K20 got tuned on United and my k20/24 has had the same treatment as my R18, has 2 united tunes for diff diameter and length intakes. United seems to work for me, Ive run expensive stuff a few times but i dont see its needed and i cant be arsed spending $4-8 / litre.

[39erman]

Yep, at $7.80/ltr from VP Fuels thats $700 just for fuel over the weekend.

Of course if someone wants to sponsor us ☺☺☺😊

[Stevil]

Lol that would be nice 39er !!

Should add my OEM RDX440 injectors still going strong

[39erman]

Jees, we maxxed out the RDX's and its only a B engine?

[Stevil]

How many dancing ponies you got ??

[cbauto]

How many dancing ponies you got ??
How many engine did u blow

[Stevil]

Blowing R18s was fun, i knew the risks as id followed Yanky exp and R18 were cheap, Bending skinny rods cause too much boost and early spool. And bottom end failing after 140,000km of trashing at the track and boat towing.

Cbauto Ive always been honest with sharing my experiences. And yeah i guess id had heaps of local turbo R18 builds to follow lol.......

[cbauto]

So. How many?

[Stevil]

Hey cbauto ive still got the turbo kit flashpro and everything ready to go, why dont u grab an Fd and I post it too you and you can have a crack at it !!

[cbauto]

Are you embarrassed to tell us how many?

[Stevil]

Ive blown 2 x R18s and i did the head on my first K20/24 frank, rebuilt it to a better spec cause I only half baked it.

[cbauto]

Oh, OK. You and your tuner set out to blow engines. I understand

[Stevil]

2 x R18s, and i did the head on my first k20/24 down at the island, ended up.building what i should have. Now tossing up whether to stay NA or run a GTX3076R or GTX3576R for next years world time attack. No doubt more shit will blow thats fun just not the bills, need to upgrade my bottom end thou.

[Stevil]

Mate Im out of potato peelers lol

[cbauto]

Mate Im out of potato peelers lol
What a pity.


I've still got plenty.

[carayan]

nice

put stock motor in to blow it
then replace with another just to blow it
repeat

cheap fun

[cbauto]

nice

put stock motor in to blow it
then replace with another just to blow it
repeat

cheap fun
I wonder how much he got burnt by those backyard tuners

[Stevil]

Cbauto have ya got something genuine to add to the conversation on e85 and real world use ? Or is full time trolling ur new job ...

u come across as very insecure, there are remedies to these types of conditions, happy to offer advice !

[Stevil]

Hey carayan when R18 motors are cheaper than a set of tyres why not have fun and push the envelope ?? Had an awesome session at the creek at night 10psi and the shitty Sohc R18 made 180fwkw, had no trouble pulling 210kmh down the Creeks straight and a pb 1.50, thats a time I only beat recently with the K20/24 (which had better aero and less weight) !!

Hows your e85 experience ? Or you trolling aswell B-)

[RenzokukenJ]

Oh wow here we go

[cbauto]

Cbauto have ya got something genuine to add to the conversation on e85 and real world use ? Or is full time trolling ur new job ...

u come across as very insecure, there are remedies to these types of conditions, happy to offer advice !

I assure you, cbauto Co. Is secure.


Our organisation possesses extensive knowledge tuning all types of fuel.

Whatever your setup and output requirements. We can make the final figure sound like music to your ears.

What other tuner can do that?[emoji276]

If you're interested in our services. Give us a bell

[RenzokukenJ]

I assure you, cbauto Co. Is secure.


Our organisation possesses extensive knowledge tuning all types of fuel.

Whatever your setup and output requirements. We can make the final figure sound like music to your ears.

What other tuner can do that?[emoji276]

If you're interested in our services. Give us a bell
BYP can do that you piece of shit

[cbauto]

BYP can do that you piece of shit
Go suck stevils dik

[RenzokukenJ]

Go suck stevils dik
Stevil is a woman you fuk, she has a vagina.

Can't suck a woman's dik, obviously you have never been with one.

[cbauto]

Stevil is a woman you fuk, she has a vagina.

Can't suck a woman's dik, obviously you have never been with one.
Pre op shemales are 100% feminine and have a dik. I believe you're not speaking for the entire population

[RenzokukenJ]

Pre op shemales are 100% feminine and have a dik. I believe you're not speaking for the entire population
100% stevil is a woman, can tell when it's her time of the month.

[Stevil]

Whooaaa come on boyz play nice, dyno numbers mean nuthin, results at the track is where i judge improvements, Im laughin my arse off !!

Just enjoy life fella's cause hate will eat away at ya character, and who i use to work on my car is my phuckin choice lol, catch u hommies when i get back from dusseldorf next week lol

[cbauto]

Whooaaa come on boyz play nice, dyno numbers mean nuthin, results at the track is where i judge improvements, Im laughin my arse off !!

Just enjoy life fella's cause hate will eat away at ya character, and who i use to work on my car is my phuckin choice lol, catch u hommies when i get back from dusseldorf next week lol
I suggest you go buy more peelers

[cbauto]

BTW if this thread has gone beyond repair by my presence, blame Tom.
He summoned me

[Stevil]

Whooaaa come on boyz play nice, dyno numbers mean nuthin, results at the track is where i judge improvements, Im laughin my arse off !!

Just enjoy life fella's cause hate will eat away at ya character, and who i use to work on my car is my phuckin choice lol, catch u hommies when i get back from dusseldorf next week lol

[amant02]

Wow the other guy just wanted to talk e85.

not about how deep stevils wallet is.

or how un deep baus is.

[Stevil]

Dont need deep wallets, pretty much everything is hand lol plus car allowance

Its like groundhog day, and its now complete amant02 showing up !!

[cbauto]

Amant, stevil, renai, gsi all same person. Makes perfect sense now

[amant02]

Dont need deep wallets, pretty much everything is hand lol plus car allowance

Its like groundhog day, and its now complete amant02 showing up !!

Idunno if your trying have a go kunt.

I have nothing against you and how you decide to mod your car.

[bennjamin]

Guise stop the unrelated talk. Let Stevil ball his FD's in peace.

Any my more thoughts / experiences in e85 ? Does anyone else run this stuff daily ?

[IEVAQ8]

BTW if this thread has gone beyond repair by my presence, blame Tom.
He summoned me


Hahahahaha