h22a[jdm] vs b18c[jdm]

[crxzzR]

hi, just wanting to know the advantages and disadvantages of swapping either of these engines into an 88 ED9 crx.
main thing is.. why would i get a b18c which costs a lot more than the h22a.
the h22a has more power and torque.
h22a: 200hp 161Trq 10.6 Compression cost ~$3000
b18c: 180hp 126Trq 10.6 Compression cost ~$4000 +

these prices not taking into consideration the engine mounts necessary..

and anyone got a rough figure on the weight of both engines..
thanks

[faijai]

h22a is heavy, has less aftermarket support, will ned alot of custom work, more torque.

b18c is a more popular conversion, lots of aftermarket products avaiable and has better potential.

[crxzzR]

but imagine the possibilities of having 161Nm of torque in a 880kg crx!

[SiR JDM]

h22a is heavy, has less aftermarket support, will ned alot of custom work, more torque.

b18c is a more popular conversion, lots of aftermarket products avaiable and has better potential.

faijai sumed things up pretty nicely

[crxzzR]

yeh.. i had a look @ hasport and they don't seem to support that conversion..

well then b18c it is then
what do u guys think of the price??
well the engine has a 100% startup warranty
and comes with:
- Motor
- Hydraulic Tranny (S80, Y80)
- ECU (P72)
- Axles with Half Shaft
- Shift Linkage
- Stock Motor Mounts
- Alternator
- Starter
- Clutch
- Flywheel
- Intake Manifold
- Exhaust Manifold
- Fuel Rail
- Injectors
- Distributor
- Engine Harness
- Comes With All Sensors Needed

[civ_sik]

sounds good to me man

[type one]

the difference i guess comes down to what the car is going to be used for. To squeeze a H22A into an ED9 crx u are going to need to live without your a/c and p/s - a good workshop might be able to salvage your p/s but a/c is out the door.

which is fine if the car is a track bitch, but as others have said H22A has less readily available mod parts. Having said that! H22A is an AWESOME engine and would rock your chassis hahaha

[bumography]

there was some site in the states of a guy doing it
he gotta 12 second 1/4 in the first few runs
then he broke his axles twice and gave up on the entire thing

[garett]

i just like the b series so much more... more potential and revvs like a S O B

[crxzzR]

Having said that! H22A is an AWESOME engine and would rock your chassis hahaha

yeh it'll literally rock the chassis =)
on paper the h22a would be nice.. but then again it's added weight to the front and will stress the car a lot more than the b18 would..

anyways i don't have a/c as it is.. i'm not missing out on much.. i survived summer without it =) good ol' power windows..

only reason why i compared it with the h22a is coz i have access to one which i can muck around with..hopefully try and rebuild it..

[Cvik_ryda]

Not true. H22A is the way i reckon. HASport they suplly you all the mount and cross member that last life time. Online performance sell good drive shafts that suit your need. B series sound good easier to do but think about all the power you have with the 22. you kill a Porches for breakfast. im saving up for my 22 in a EK man ill kill some SS for mama lol

[crxzzR]

from what i saw on hasport h/p they don't have mounts for h22a into an 88crx ED9

[crxzzR]

but does anyone have the official weight of the b18c and the h22a engines??

[honda_b_blastn]

Mate i strongly suggest you go the h22a. I did the conversion into my EG hatch the torque is great,great top end power and the stares you get after blowing away nissans is rewarding,even more so when they asked how much boost your running and you say 0...:)

[crxzzR]

argh ur tilting the scale!

[furiou5]

Just adding to the problems with the H22a, is that the position of the motor is different to the Bseries motors, causing an upset in the handling of the car, due to extra weight in a different section of the chassis, but ive been told you can make this bearable with a good suspension set up.

But like everyone says its really up what the purpose of the car is.
just my 2c

[type one]

Not true. H22A is the way i reckon. HASport they suplly you all the mount and cross member that last life time. Online performance sell good drive shafts that suit your need. B series sound good easier to do but think about all the power you have with the 22. you kill a Porches for breakfast. im saving up for my 22 in a EK man ill kill some SS for mama lol

i guess it all comes down to how much cash you want to splash.

If you had the money to do it right - i mean easily 10-15k (as the mounts alone will cost you 1k) then sure thing H22A is a beast and with the chassis reinforcement this shouldn't be an issue. But if you are going to cut corners, then i would cut those corners with a b18c.

[CRX-Ando]

Unless you prefer to stay N/A, another path would entail latching onto a B16A & boosting it mate...parts aplenty with power on tap...trust me, this arms you with the platform to upgrade internals & the addition of further mods in the future to generate around 300HP at the wheels...this is my current setup in the CRX & it's already craving for a bigger snail ;)

If power is your goal & you plan on keeping your ride for a lengthy period, then my advice is to stick to the B-series transplant (B16A/B18C), stay N/A until your financial disposition allows you to play with force-induction & then upgrade internals etc...VTEC boost is an addiction that will envelop all your senses...patience & diligent saving will make it all worthwhile at the end...all the best with whatever path you decide to embark on mate :cool:

[CRXONE]

What about a k20????

Dead smack inbetween the two. Is the k20 a better choice in a Gen 2 CRX than the B18C or the h22a??

Then again a mate has spent 15k on a turbo re-build on his D16A8 series engine and it puts out 180kW (medium boost) at the front wheels. And its lighter than the 1.8 & 2.2 engines.

Mark

[z3lda]

k20 is in a dfiferent league altogther. the engine alone is about 10k plus 5k+ for parts and fabrication to put it into a crx

for a gen2 crx b18 or h22 its gonna be a nightmare. new mounts. new sussy. rewiring loom with new ecu. shift linkages, axles, cable tranny to hyrdo tranny. the list goes on.

[CRXONE]

So we are saying that a Gen 2 CRX would go quicker with a k20 implant rather than a B18 or h22??

I still think the best option is turbo a D series. Less ****ing around and more power.

[CTR Coupe]

You are all forgetting that it’s hard enough to get ground clearance with a b18c let alone a H22a. Your car is going to look like 4wd with that motor in it. K20a is even worse the guys in the states that have done it cut a hole in the bonnet to poke the rocker cover though because of the clearance issues.
Not to mention is going to handle like a brick with the H22a in it.

H22 into EG and EK is 100x easier than a pre 91 transplant but still involve cutting/denting the chassis to squeeze it in.

Turbo D has been done to death so there are lots of information out there. I just question the ability to get a low Km engine for boost. Most CRX have done +180K kms

Even if you completely rebuild it the block strength isn’t going to be 100%


Best option, sell your car go buy a SIR import and boost it.

If not go the B18c

[crxzzR]

thanks for all ur replies..
main thing is i am trying to steer away from boosting.
and yeh the k20 is out of my budget in terms of overall cost.
like i've got access to a h22a block which i may get for next to nothing.. only thing is whether the engine can be rebuilt or not. so that should be a chunk out of the full expense..
well i've got several months to have a long consideration of it all as i'm prob going to the states during october. need to save up. right now i'm just making sure my d16a8 is running decent and reliable. i wanna be able to get the engine[b18/h22] and do the internals while it's out..
and someone was mentioning on re-inforcing the chassis if i'm doing h22a coz of weight?
btw where will the weight distribution of the h22 end up in the engine bay? from the looks of online performance their h22a ended up closer to the topright corner.
btw i'm gonna make sure this conversion is done-definitely not gonna back out. just gonna spend time researching adv/disadv in the mean time.

[CRXONE]

If I were you I'd turbo the D.

When you go to the states buy all the turbo gear you need bring it back and get it all done.

Damn my mate has a turbo D16a8 in his Gen 2 CRX and it's so fkn fast, there is no possible way you could get your car going this quick for the same amount of money running N/A.

This thing hauls ass. I swear when he up's the boost to 18psi the dash moves when you change gears. Fkn amazing.

Unless you want to take it to the race track (which I doubt you will because a h22a would suck on a track) turbo all the way.

[CRX-Ando]

Damn my mate has a turbo D16a8 in his Gen 2 CRX and it's so fkn fast, there is no possible way you could get your car going this quick for the same amount of money running N/A. This thing hauls ass. I swear when he up's the boost to 18psi the dash moves when you change gears. Fkn amazing.

Sorry for going slightly off-topic but are you referring to the ACS boys (Jon/Andy/Damo) with their boosted D-series ninjas?

[CRXONE]

ah huh. yep.