Civic 10th gen, it looks pretty good.

[jazznewbie]

Hi guys,

I wonder how much will the 1.5 litre turbo cost and I hope we get the european engine because apparently it makes more power and torque than the american or asian version. I reckon they should put the 2.0 as a base model and not the 1.8. I think if the base model with 2.0 is around 20k then they would sell heaps.

http://tinyurl.com/znxbto4

The side profile looks very similar to Audi A5 sportback.

I am thinking about getting the turbo one when it comes out if the price is not too crazy high and if it comes in manual. I hate those CVT transmission. I think it would be around 30k similar in price to the current Sport. It seems like Honda is slowly getting its mojo back.

[Daveho1]

Yh Nh looks like shit aye, while yes obviously the market has changed from Hondas glory days 20 odd years ago it's a shame that really this is no diffrent to any other mid size in that you can plaster sports badges on it as much as you want but when it comes down to it what would be more of a drivers car, this or say a ek9, ep3r, eg6 etc etc from the past?

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Hi guys,

It seems like Honda is slowly getting its mojo back.

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t548/DollyBockridge/Mobile%20Uploads/tumblr_mi8cd9YWD31qe89guo1_500_zpsqnyxfrlq.gif (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/DollyBockridge/media/Mobile%20Uploads/tumblr_mi8cd9YWD31qe89guo1_500_zpsqnyxfrlq.gif.htm l)

It seems like we're not getting a coupe..

"A coupe-like roofline combines with sporty lines and a muscular body to give the Civic a stunning new silhouette."




Hondas glory

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7301/16513503025_4eefff2c97.jpg

[u mad?]

lmao^

but to op, it looks like a Hyundai

probably drives like one to

[Daveho1]

Yep, exactly the above

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

I do respect OP for bringing this up... Honda has released some hits n misses since the EK.





This new Civic could be something.... COULD.....

but I doubt we will get a Civic coupe (AGAIN) and knowing what US Honda is like... their Civic's will be far more sexy!

I've gotta call spec savers, I think it looks nice (for an accord) but for a Civic, I think it looks too long..
That's not a bad thing.. Honda is moving on from the stereotype "little car" but if they're going to do that.... it better not have a fkn R18.........better be a fkn B18C2 or some shit.

I don't mind the booty, when I've had a couple more drinks it reminds me of the USDM Civic 06-10.... mmmm......... datass....

The front... ergh.......... It seems like the ratio is off.... somewhere? I feel like there too much grill? not enough headlight?
I must be getting old, I know I'm senile and my glaucoma is bad lmfao


but to op, it looks like a Hyundai

probably drives like one to


Yep, exactly the above

Hahaha you kunts are fuked, a Hyundai? Soichiro must be rolling in his..... right now.
brb
www.OzHyundai.com/forum/hehehee

[Daveho1]

Sorry mate but yeah Honda is going the same way as Hyundai and Kia into making these cars with no real personality and just to be palatable to the majority. Don't get me wrong they are doig it well but the newer generations are a far cry from the models that got most people involved. The same can be said of most manufacturers however and they still have a ways to go befor they are as woeful as peugeots and citroens but.. Still...

[antony]

The all new Civic has just won the 2016 American and Canadian car of the year awards.
Honda hope it will replace the current Civic range,as well as the Accord Euro range locally.

I think it looks awesome,and will give the top selling Mazda 3s and Toyota Corollas a good run for their money...

[Grayfox]

I doubt we will get the turbo version, It has electronic handbrake.
Bet that will fail.
Also Manual will be on povospec and AUTO ONLY on everything else.

Doesnt look that bad.

[curtis265]

$10 says no turbo

civic is not sold as a fun car here. only fridge on wheels.

[RenzokukenJ]

$10 says no turbo

civic is not sold as a fun car here. only fridge on wheels.
This is true, until you take a ride in the ULTIMATE FN2

[ep3rsteve]

Looks like we're getting Turbo VTEC but it will be CVT only. The only good looking 10th gen is the 3dr hatch - and we wont be getting that :(


http://www.caradvice.com.au/361187/new-gen-honda-civic-turbos-set-for-australia-from-mid-2016/?plista

"(Update) Furthermore, expect high-end versions of the new Civic to premiere (in Australia) Honda’s long-awaited range of turbocharged VTEC engines. These high end versions will likely get a new 1.5-litre four-pot capable of as much as 150kW/260Nm. Entry cars should keep the current 104kW/174Nm 1.8-litre engine used at present in some variants."

"Once again, Australia’s won’t get the US-focused Civic coupe. "



Some good things about it:


http://www.hondanews.com/releases/ee5aa8e2-8ba4-4ca1-86ef-015977dc9db2


Ultra-rigid body with 59-percent application of high-strength steel and 14-percent application of ultra-high-strength steel (up from 55 percent and 1 percent, respectively, in the previous model)

68-pound reduction in unibody weight versus the previous Civic Sedan, despite its larger size and greater stiffness

Ultra-high-strength steel B-pillars and rear frame rails with selectively-tempered "soft zones" for reduced weight and enhanced collision performance (Civic first)

Ultra-rigid 590-mpa high-strength-steel floor for enhanced collision performance and improved ride quality (Civic first)

New multi-link independent rear suspension

Hydraulic compliance bushings for premium levels of ride quality and road vibration isolation (Civic first)

Larger stabilizer bars with bonded bushings for more refined body control (Civic first)

Rigid aluminum rear damper brackets for improved ride quality (Civic first)

Ultra-rigid 590-mpa high-strength steel floor for enhanced collision performance


Curb Weight = 1267.7907kg - not bad for a massive civic

[Stevil]

this is what we need with the FK2R 2.0 Turbo, but yeah for some reason Honda Aust are gay as aids

http://madmick3006.com/ahngallery/upload/files/2016-03/57339c1b.jpg

[Grayfox]

The FK is the 5 door hatch chassis.
A new sedan Type R would be nice as well as a hatch Type R.
If they both have the same powerplant it would be nice to see both on the track side by side.

[Stevil]

Grayfox Im talking about the 10th Gen sedan getting the 2.0L Turbo from the FK2R, Talk in the US is they will be getting the FK2r powerplant detuned from 310hp back to 230-250hp.

[Grayfox]

Most likely to meet emissions.
But then again 310hp is just suicidal in a FWD.
You would get torque steer in 3rd with a turbo.

The hot hatch thing is getting stupid.
In the 90s 150hp in a small hatch made it hot
Then it was 200hp
Now 300hp?

I would laugh if VW some how fitted a smaller W16 style engine from a veyron into a golf
The new VW golf with 550hp, can do 370km/h

[Stevil]

I dunno i have around 310bhp in my 1080kg fd1 and its rather fun but i have the fd2r steering rack.

But yeah the turbo torque would be fun. This would sell like hot cake if priced around $40k

[curtis265]

Most likely to meet emissions.
But then again 310hp is just suicidal in a FWD.
You would get torque steer in 3rd with a turbo.

The hot hatch thing is getting stupid.
In the 90s 150hp in a small hatch made it hot
Then it was 200hp
Now 300hp?

I would laugh if VW some how fitted a smaller W16 style engine from a veyron into a golf
The new VW golf with 550hp, can do 370km/h

Have you driven a 300hp front wheel drive that weighs 1500 kg?

[u mad?]

I dunno i have around 310bhp in my 1080kg fd1 and its rather fun but i have the fd2r steering rack.

But yeah the turbo torque would be fun. This would sell like hot cake if priced around $40k
Can you post details on your motor setup?

Have you driven a 300hp front wheel drive that weighs 1500 kg?yuk

[Grayfox]

This would sell like hot cake if priced around $40k

That wont happen.

It might be 60k or so, think of the VW Golf R type money.

[2cool4u]

Think it looks terrible, front grille seems off, needs more mesh or something looks too solid and the black plastics at the back just look cheap. Exhausts look like an afterthought. 127kw turbo VTEC engine seems ok though, not excited at all for the car though.

[Daveho1]

127kw turbo seems low don't u think? Esspesially in this Hyundai body

[lolmclol]

Fuk up dave

[Daveho1]

Yh nh happy Easter Macca now fuk up k

[lolmclol]

What u get for easter

[Daveho1]

Fukn, nothing yet m8. Wife didn't even make fukn egg hunt for me, fukn rude if u ask me. How bout you mate

[RenzokukenJ]

Fuk up

[Daveho1]

Renzo you kunt, I hope u have a BAD Easter.
Murther farker bringing that sh!t in here, ruin my fukn holidays.

[Daveho1]

Also happy Easter.

[curtis265]

127kw turbo seems low don't u think? Esspesially in this Hyundai body

probably a torquey turbo, will probably drive very euro

[lolmclol]

http://i.imgur.com/vmYCnGz.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ayvAyCT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/vHlChQL.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RwbbuTw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/13r8x4u.jpg

[Stevil]

So are these out now ??

[lolmclol]

nope, probably doing road tests etc

http://www.honda.com.au/cars/models/new-civic.html - "mid 2016"

http://www.caradvice.com.au/432674/2017-honda-civic-spotted-in-melbourne-ahead-of-australian-launch/ - "ahead of the Australian launch next month"

[ep3rsteve]

looks decent on the road

[RenzokukenJ]

looks decent on the road
U look pretty decent ay

[ep3rsteve]

U look pretty decent ay

U can add me to list now. Pls respect my safe space.

[PJT]

127kw. So it has as much power as the 20 year old b18c2 sitting in my eg. Prolly weighs twice as much, too :P

[RenzokukenJ]

U can add me to list now. Pls respect my safe space.
U wanna get Raped m8?

[ep3rsteve]

U wanna get Raped m8?

nooo not agen pls n0 stop

[PJT]

Why all ozhondie threads turn to rape? Not a complaint.

[minircc]

I think the new civic looks good!

[antony]

I think the new civic looks good!

I wonder if the top of the range will be a good Accord Euro replacement ???

[Stevil]

Mishimoto are doing an upgrade on the intake, will be interesting to see how much they gain

http://engineering.mishimoto.com/2016/04/the-civic-has-boost-performance-intake-rd-part-1-stock-system-2/

[Stevil]

I just hope Honda Aust bring out the coupe, so i can rip the motor out and K it lol

[Stevil]

worth watching

www.carscoops.com/2016/02/2016-honda-civic-15l-turbo-dynod.html

[lolmclol]

Mishimoto are doing an upgrade on the intake, will be interesting to see how much they gain

http://engineering.mishimoto.com/2016/04/the-civic-has-boost-performance-intake-rd-part-1-stock-system-2/

only replacing the top part, inb4 whale willy

[lolmclol]

http://www.honda.com.au/cars/models/civic-sedan.html

Base cost

VTi $22,390

VTi-S $24,490

VTi-L $27,790

RS $31,790

VTi-LX $33,590

[lolmclol]

Brochure

http://www.honda.com.au/content/dam/honda/brochure/2014/07/NewCivicSedan_Brochure.pdf

[jazznewbie]

Only CVT. VTI and VTI-L still use the old 1.8 litre. I thought they were going to put in the 1.0 litre turbo.

[lolmclol]

R18Z4 most likely. But the 2017 hatch is reported as the one to have been tested with the 1.0 turbo.

[Grayfox]

The RS looks nice, shame it doesn't come in manual.

[lolmclol]

the 2017 hatch is supposed to have a manual option, but what eventuates, as well as what honda australia end up choosing is up in the air.

[lolmclol]

2017 Civic Hatch "Prototype", but considering there's one doing road tests ...

http://i.imgur.com/4SPv4eA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WmAIdBl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/HvzIkPZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1XKzGkc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/p7ABDrR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RZZyPAO.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xdpg6t4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/f4pS9ni.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tU03Ltm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/OiMqOEl.jpg

[PJT]

Looks like it was designed by Michael Bay.

[antony]

The pricing and specification makes it extremely competitive,it should sell like hot cakes...

[Splashalot]

the 2017 hatch is supposed to have a manual option, but what eventuates, as well as what honda australia end up choosing is up in the air.

I'd be interested to know if there is any information on this specifically relating to the Australian models, or if it is assumed because the US will be getting a manual option with their hatch we will too.

If the RS trim in the hatch comes in a manual Honda have a guaranteed sale from me.

[lolmclol]

http://i.imgur.com/NczSqEY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Vpu1a3m.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/42qSlMR.jpg

http://www.caradvice.com.au/450728/2017-honda-civic-hatch-spied/

[lolmclol]

I'd be interested to know if there is any information on this specifically relating to the Australian models, or if it is assumed because the US will be getting a manual option with their hatch we will too.

If the RS trim in the hatch comes in a manual Honda have a guaranteed sale from me.

I wouldn't bother holding your breath.

[Grayfox]

Look at the specs last week.
They mention fuel econ ratings but dont state manual or auto
It is just one line showing x.x for urban, x.x extra urban, x.x freeway

[lolmclol]

Keep reading, but not finding any source - Something along the lines of the Thailand factory not producing any manual option for the new Civic.

[Splashalot]

The last model manuals were imported from the UK. Hopefully the same will happen with the new hatch in 2017.

I checked the Honda Thailand website - no manual Civics there either.

[lolmclol]

Won't happen, its a significant cost saving for them to build it in Thailand and ship to Australia versus the latter.

Also as quoted from the article above.


Australia

To be produced in Thailand alongside the new sedan (instead of the UK), the new five-door has been confirmed for Australia, however timing has yet to be confirmed.

[Grayfox]

I have not heard anything about the thai plant getting upgrades to produce the hatchback as it would need a big upgrade to start making a new chassis that they have never made before(new stamping machines, more room, ect).
Where as about a year ago the UK swindon plant got a upgrade so they could produce more cars.
Now shipping the same parts(headlights, interior, ect) to thailand so they can make the hatchback there just for australia does not make any sense economically

Now why would Honda put money into a plant when they are going to be making less cars.
HondaAU can say we want all cars to be auto and come from china or from the moon, does not make it so

The thailand plant will be making sedans as normal, but i doubt it will make the hatchbacks.

If Honda was going to make the hatchbakcs in another part of the world, it would be mexico since the US is getting the new gen hatchbacks from what I heard.

[lolmclol]

“The same body type, from the same factory, with the same spec, with a hatch and a sedan. So that’s what we’ll bring to market.


“It’s clearly been challenging selling a UK-sourced different looking car in hatch versus a Thai-made, different spec car in sedan. It’s been very challenging, it’s been somewhat confusing to the market.

“From day one we said we want one car, one strategy for Civic, and it all feeds in to that,” he said.

- Hondie Australia

[Grayfox]

That means nothing,
It is not up to honda australia.
Honda HQ are the ones running things, they give the orders, they tell the factories what to do.
If Honda HQ ask the thai plant to make the hatch, they will have to make the hatch, but they will need the space and machinery, stamping dies to do it.

[RenzokukenJ]

- Hondie Australia
What that means is that UK make the front, and Thai makes the rear

Then they both get sent to Japan who then weld together to eliminate flex

[lolmclol]

What that means is that UK make the front, and Thai makes the rear

Then they both get sent to Japan who then weld together to eliminate flex

Thank for elaborating RenzokukenJ

Hope Hondie HQ Worldwide is treating you well.

[curtis265]

I suppose we can only go off a statement from a representative vs the undeniable business acumen of sir Grayfox

[cbauto]

what did i miss?

[Splashalot]

- Hondie Australia

Well, Honda Aus are saying the manual hatch is still under consideration and they haven't yet made a decision. Why would they even bother saying that if the manual hatch has been so categorically ruled out?

[cbauto]

Well, Honda Aus are saying the manual hatch is still under consideration and they haven't yet made a decision. Why would they even bother saying that if the manual hatch has been so categorically ruled out?
To create interest

[Splashalot]

LOL! Of course. In other reports, Honda Aus say they haven't ruled out fitting the upcoming Civic hatch with the GE Honda HF120 engine from the Honda Jet. There, that should create some interest too.

[lolmclol]

@grayfox

thai built

auto only

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[frailer5]

Wife making noises about the (US-market) 2013 plated 2.4L Accord being too big, specially for her fluvax work & stuff...city car parks...but generally.
Accord has factory body kit, and we've been very happy with it, but she's homing in on new Civic as replacement. Going to AutoSports next w/end to suss things out, but am at sea on how much the trade will be..how Civic pricing/levels will be. I don't particularly like dealer/trade-in argy bargy, but carsales can be a pain too.
I'm old, by some standards, though don't wear a cardigan in the street. But I do like the fact they've at least got multi-link rear on it.
We shall see.
Oh, anyone heard a rough date they'll hit; supposed to be April sometime.

..just tripped over this...general FYI.

[Haanda]

My daughter bought a Civic RS Turbo sedan late last year. I have driven it a few times and am impressed with the way it drives. Handles like our MY 12 Accord Euro, has better all round vision and has a much bigger boot. Now the wife wants to trade the Euro for a new Civic turbo hatchback when it arrives. Maybe it's time to dispose of my old Saab as I don't really want to get rid of the Euro which is a low k's car. I can see her point re the visibility, which doesn't bother me due to my height, but it sure bothers her.

[Dxs]

auto only.. and with shit rear suspension.

In terms of performance, honda has lost its way. I also hate the rear bumper vents, just because a mid mounted ferrari has rear vents, doesnt mean a front engined car needs them. Essentially rice from the factory.


I was just hoping the L15 turbo would bolt into a jazz easily becsause it comes with an NA L15, but the mounts are dif, the exhaust and intake sides are swapped, and mates to the tranny differently, so basically there goes that idea, especially given the civic will only come in auto.

[lolmclol]

Wife making noises about the (US-market) 2013 plated 2.4L Accord being too big, specially for her fluvax work & stuff...city car parks...but generally.
Accord has factory body kit, and we've been very happy with it, but she's homing in on new Civic as replacement. Going to AutoSports next w/end to suss things out, but am at sea on how much the trade will be..how Civic pricing/levels will be. I don't particularly like dealer/trade-in argy bargy, but carsales can be a pain too.
I'm old, by some standards, though don't wear a cardigan in the street. But I do like the fact they've at least got multi-link rear on it.
We shall see.
Oh, anyone heard a rough date they'll hit; supposed to be April sometime.

..just tripped over this...general FYI.

you mean you tripped over the article on caradvice, right?

http://www.caradvice.com.au/533757/2017-honda-civic-hatch-pricing-announced-arriving-in-may/

[frailer5]

auto only.. and with shit rear suspension.

In terms of performance, honda has lost its way. I also hate the rear bumper vents, just because a mid mounted ferrari has rear vents, doesnt mean a front engined car needs them. Essentially rice from the factory.


I was just hoping the L15 turbo would bolt into a jazz easily becsause it comes with an NA L15, but the mounts are dif, the exhaust and intake sides are swapped, and mates to the tranny differently, so basically there goes that idea, especially given the civic will only come in auto.

Thanks for comments, ppl.

Dxs, are saying the new suspension is under-par...as in multi-link but doesn't work as it maybe should?

Generally, really not sure which way to head. Am subjectively not attracted to Mazdas; irrational maybe but... Toyota, always worth considering due to reliability.

I guess there's nothing too exciting in the mid-25s. Need to be realistic on this.

[frailer5]

you mean you tripped over the article on caradvice, right?

http://www.caradvice.com.au/533757/2017-honda-civic-hatch-pricing-announced-arriving-in-may/

Yeah, I got the pricing there. Wife was on laptop.. she'd accessed a more detailed one. Not sure which site now..

[Dxs]

Thanks for comments, ppl.

Dxs, are saying the new suspension is under-par...as in multi-link but doesn't work as it maybe should?

Generally, really not sure which way to head. Am subjectively not attracted to Mazdas; irrational maybe but... Toyota, always worth considering due to reliability.

I guess there's nothing too exciting in the mid-25s. Need to be realistic on this.

My bad, seems like the new civic is multi link and they finally are moving away from the torsion beam.

[frailer5]

My bad, seems like the new civic is multi link and they finally are moving away from the torsion beam.

Cheers. Shall have to await the test-drive in late April.

Styling-wise, Honda seem to get about halfway there, then blend in some silly design features that don't gel, often. Surely there are some Milanese design grads who would like a stab at it.

I'm old, so I remember being puzzled, as a kid, at why the Mazda 1500 sedan looked so good. Was only many years later I realised.... Bertone..

[lolmclol]

Yeah, I got the pricing there. Wife was on laptop.. she'd accessed a more detailed one. Not sure which site now..

lmao

taking a screenshot, cropping, then uploading it versus posting a link to the article?

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Jackie-Chan-WTF.jpg

[riftan]

Yh Nh looks like shit aye, while yes obviously the market has changed from Hondas glory days 20 odd years ago it's a shame that really this is no diffrent to any other mid size in that you can plaster sports badges on it as much as you want but when it comes down to it what would be more of a drivers car, this or say a ek9, ep3r, eg6 etc etc from the past?

I hate the new Hondas. I think they have swap designer with Hyundai.

[antony]

The best looking Hondas wear both generations of Accord Euro.
Since then they've gone downhill....

[Snowcone]

We have been considering trading the 2005 Euro Luxury in on the top of the range Civic as it has all the bells as whistles too.
Finally went for a test drive yesterday and I can tell you I am still driving my Euro for a bit longer now!!!!
The engine is not real lively for a 1.5 turbo but you could live with the average performance and the little bit of turbo lag that is has, and the CVT tranny was not a problem at all despite all the naysayers.
But the deal breaker for us was the seats!
They are very narrow and I suppose you should expect a car designed in Japan and built in Thailand to not suit fat arsed Aussies, but the major issue was the headrests.
They are set so far forward to prevent whiplash that they are pushing your head forward so that your chin is resting on your chest.
After 10 minutes of driving both my wife and I had sore necks.
We got back to the dealer and they suggested we take the headrests out and turn them around, which we did but all that happened then was that we had no neck support at all.
They then admitted that other drivers had made the same comment.
How the hell could Honda have got this so wrong?
The only way to fix it would be to pay an upholstery $1,000+ to pull the headrests apart and rebuilt them with less padding or my redneck fix would have been to heat the shafts up with the Oxy/Acetylene and bend them back.
Another disappointment was the very plastic steering wheel. I have seen better steering wheels on arcade machines.
So a major disappointment for us and our Euro still drives better anyway.