F1 Discussion Thread

[LUD02C]

New thread people, old one was getting abit to long etc.

Discuss races, gossip whatever you please!

[LUD02C]

What a race at Imola.
Watching the first 12 laps, I was amazed with BAR and giving them full credit saying how good they turned it around in 18 days, then Ferrari BANG!

Michael was nearly and at one stage was lapping 2 seconds quicker then Alonso and then Button sort of layed down his quickest times but Michael was still lapping 1.56 quicker.

As everyone else was saying, imagine if he didn't make the mistake during qualifying, he would of won the race by 3 minutes, and then the usual complaints would of happened "Ferrari this and Michael that"

To bad about Rubens and Fisichella, even though they didn't say what happened to Fisichella I'm sure that was a punchure.
Kimi oh Kimi, how pissed off must this guy be, everytime he has the chance of winning (yes he was on lighter fuel) the car can NEVER perform for the kid.
But Wurz had no problems with his Mclaren and for a guy that hadn't raced in 4-5 years did a spectacular job!


Villeneuve finished 6th with a very solid drive and both toyotas getting points in 7th and 8th.

My highlight was the battle between Massa and Coulthard in which it ended with Massa giving him the finger! CLASSIC.

Now for the worlds biggest wanker award to .............MARTIN BRUNDLE.
After his comment on Webber not really liking him because he still blames Webber for crashing into Fisichella in Malaysia, after Fisichella has admitted it was his fault and all that Brundle the dumb englishman doesn't understand.

Webber last night was BAD.
3 times he made mistakes which cost him 3 places, again Heidfeld finished ahead of him.

Thats my wrap up, well done Ferrari and BAR

[Kawasaki]

the Ferrari had good braking power, I remember when michael was right behind button and he out braked him by a mile. I would say thats where ferrari got most of their speed.

Man Sato and button were great! Hondas back in it!

[LUD02C]

When Michael passed Button through the back markers that came down to experience through traffic in my opinion.

I do think BAR could be back in it.

[jackosimm]

bloody great race!!! been waiting for one of those for a while now lol, spectacular finish its been ages since a climax like that....or anti climax lol great fight there. Anooyed as hell i missed the first 30 laps cause my mate wouldn drive me home and i didnt have my car!! ah well, great second half of the race:thumbsup:

[nEUROtic]

Kimi - The man that threw his steering wheel through a mirror and hit a black cat that was standing under a ladder......

[Dylan]

This race proves that Max Moselys new rules were not "A Success" (as he heralded them). Altogether though, it was a great race and absoloutely entertaining. the last 15 laps were a real nailbighter.

This cements my view that Mark Webber will never be a world champion. He deserves to be in Formula 1, but he will be lucky to win a race. He makes too many mistakes and is not fast enough as a whole. He has consistently been outpaced by his team mate, even though he starts ahead of him on the grid on almost all occasions.

Too bad kimi retired, then we would have seen a 3 way battle for the lead :(

[Dylan]

Now for the worlds biggest wanker award to .............MARTIN BRUNDLE.
After his comment on Webber not really liking him because he still blames Webber for crashing into Fisichella in Malaysia, after Fisichella has admitted it was his fault and all that Brundle the dumb englishman doesn't understand.


I still agree with martin in the fact that he should have given fisichella more room. I think it was 60-40, but not as martin said that it was webbers fault, but fisichella 60, webber 40. He should have pulled a move like kimi did on massa. That would have made more sense.

[nEUROtic]

Kimi would have been another 5 seconds down the road from Alonso and Sch at that stage, I dont think it would have been the huge 3-way the commentators think it woulda been

[Dylan]

dont forget kimi was light fueled at the start, so alonso would have made up alot of ground in the first pitstops. He was only about 3 seconds down the road when his car failed, so you never know??? it most probably would have been three way.

[^^v]

baah im so cut!.. i missed the whole race.. T_T
i tired recording it.. but fkn only taped 30 mins of it coz it was near the end of the tape -_-"

anywyaz michael is sucha freak lolz... im lik 13th... no way... then i come bak n find out he finished 2nd...*shock*..

congrats to BAR HONDA... very happy @ where they finished..
they can only improve from here..

im deff gonna stay home for the next round..!
2 weeks.. cant wait!

[Dylan]

By the way, just to put the championship into perspective:
-If Schumacher wins EVERY race from now on, and Alonso finished second, Schumacher will only win the championship by 4 POINTS!

[Javed]

Finally my team finished the race. (BAR). After travellign to Melbourne to watch how shitty their pace was, and to watch the next 2 rounds of hell. Their pace looks good, By the sounds of it their majority of problems was under a heavy fuel load, the car didnt behave how Jensen wanted it to. Well the testing and improvement since Bahrain was really good, however everyone is shitting their dacks after watching that damn Ferrari last night. I hate ferrari and I hate MSC. Sato is my man, driving a solid 5th!!! WOOOT

[nEUROtic]

Finally my team finished the race. (BAR). After travellign to Melbourne to watch how shitty their pace was, and to watch the next 2 rounds of hell. Their pace looks good, By the sounds of it their majority of problems was under a heavy fuel load, the car didnt behave how Jensen wanted it to. Well the testing and improvement since Bahrain was really good, however everyone is shitting their dacks after watching that damn Ferrari last night. I hate ferrari and I hate MSC. Sato is my man, driving a solid 5th!!! WOOOT


Word.

[toE]

Just curious, has BAR Honda brought out their new car yet? If not, when? Any ideas? :)

[Javed]

Yes they have been running the 007 since the start of the season. Hadm ajor reliability/ aero problems with it up until bahrain where it showed some reasonable pace, however the reliability was not there with Taku's brakes shot, and Jensens clutch shitting itself. The testing between bahrain and imola at the practice tracks at barcelona and paul ricard showed some blinding pace with Jensen setting an unofficial lap record around PR. Takuma also posted extremely good times. Hopefully we will start seeing the lads keep the good work up as seen at Imola. Looking forward to Spain in 2 weeks, Fernando Alonso will have huge support. :)

Edit- Oh Jason that bit with Massa was hillarious, he just kinda barged into the side of DC, then gave him the finger while driving off, pure hillarity! Agree with Brundle too, ****ing twat.

[toE]

Ahh...so they won't be bringing out another (new) car until next season then?

[^^v]

Ahh...so they won't be bringing out another (new) car until next season then?

yeah..
but they'll be making upgrades/tweaks as the season progresses...

will be interesting to see how the honda v8 goes next season ...
apprently they'll be revving at 20,000+rpm...:D

[LUD02C]

Dylan:

This cements my view that Mark Webber will never be a world champion. He deserves to be in Formula 1, but he will be lucky to win a race. He makes too many mistakes and is not fast enough as a whole. He has consistently been outpaced by his team mate, even though he starts ahead of him on the grid on almost all occasions.

I never thought Webber would be a world champion, but if you watch the slow montion replys with Webber/Heinfeld's car over the kerbs then watch Alonso/Michael's the BMW had no balance and couldn't even hit 300km/h on the circuit while the Renault and Ferrari were hitting 310km/h.

Not an excuse but the car isn't as good as BAR,Renault, Ferrari or McLaren.
Sam Michael hammered Webber in the press today.

Dylan:

I still agree with martin in the fact that he should have given fisichella more room. I think it was 60-40, but not as martin said that it was webbers fault, but fisichella 60, webber 40. He should have pulled a move like kimi did on massa. That would have made more sense.

I understand what you are saying Dylan, but Webber had:
1/ Track position
2/ Right of way (Fisichella went to way to fast and had no brakes with no rubber left on his tyres)

nEUROtic:

Kimi would have been another 5 seconds down the road from Alonso and Sch at that stage, I dont think it would have been the huge 3-way the commentators think it woulda been

Michael would of leaped Kimi if he stayed on I reckon, Kimi was running way light and had at least to make a 15 seconds gap before his first stop.

Javed:

Finally my team finished the race. (BAR). After travellign to Melbourne to watch how shitty their pace was, and to watch the next 2 rounds of hell. Their pace looks good, By the sounds of it their majority of problems was under a heavy fuel load, the car didnt behave how Jensen wanted it to. Well the testing and improvement since Bahrain was really good, however everyone is shitting their dacks after watching that damn Ferrari last night. I hate ferrari and I hate MSC. Sato is my man, driving a solid 5th!!! WOOOT

Everyone is talking about Ferrari and shitting themselves because the car was 2 whole seconds quicker a lap with a full fuel load.
That is damm impressive!
BAR have made major improvements but nothing on what Ferrari have showed the F1 world.

Toe:

Just curious, has BAR Honda brought out their new car yet? If not, when? Any ideas?

The next two races Spain and Monte Carlo they are bringing out improvements and updates on aero and chassis and minor engine adjustments, no new car until next year.

[kenshin]

By the way, just to put the championship into perspective:
-If Schumacher wins EVERY race from now on, and Alonso finished second, Schumacher will only win the championship by 4 POINTS!

and if alsono dnf one race and schumacher wins it... they're only be 16 points apart...

its so crucial now to finish in the points...

[Javed]

It is maybe a bit too early to be deciding world championship standings, but nevertheless I believe it will be interesting. I just want BAR Honda to take second in the constructors again, dunno if it will happen though. Also I want to see Sato on the podium and button win a race or 2 :)

[nEUROtic]

Don't get me wrong, schumacher is obviously a great driver. But his strategists in ross brawn and jean todt are unparrelled. Even down to their dealings with eccelstone that cement ferrari's domination. However I digress, my original point is that although schumacher showed ultimate pace last night, he did all his passing in the pit lanes (with button being the obvious exception) and in 11 laps behind alonso couldnt get past, despite having the faster car.

I think he is an excellent driver, I don't think he is an excellent racer. Much like we saw from the embarrasing display with pedro de la rosa and webber. Knew how to drive fast, the car WAS fast, but he couldn't pass webber.

I just think micheal has become complacent now and less of a risk taker, and as a result isnt the raw driver he was that made u sit on the edge of your seat in the past, like your senna's. I spose its hard to stay motivated after you have done it all. Time to pass the torch soon methinks

[LUD02C]

Hold on nEUROtic.
Your saying Michael isn't a good racer?
Imola has a lot of off camber coners and isn't the worlds easiest track to pass on especially if someone your trying to pass has a quicker car out of the bends/corners.

You can't compare Michael to Senna, different cars, tracks have changed and so has technology.
You don't just win 7 world championships by being a "excellent driver", all the F1 drivers are excellent.

He is at the top of his game and the best driver/racer out there, and isn't ready to pass the torch, as for his crew Jean Todt designed the 205 T16 for Group B and Peoguet went straight to the top.

Thing is motorsport is about money and when you have it and get the best, you recieve the best.

[nEUROtic]

Hold on nEUROtic.
Your saying Michael isn't a good racer?
Imola has a lot of off camber coners and isn't the worlds easiest track to pass on especially if someone your trying to pass has a quicker car out of the bends/corners.

You can't compare Michael to Senna, different cars, tracks have changed and so has technology.
You don't just win 7 world championships by being a "excellent driver", all the F1 drivers are excellent.

He is at the top of his game and the best driver/racer out there, and isn't ready to pass the torch, as for his crew Jean Todt designed the 205 T16 for Group B and Peoguet went straight to the top.

Thing is motorsport is about money and when you have it and get the best, you recieve the best.


I was more comparing driving style rather than results. If u want to compare results there is only one stat that senna is better in - pole positions. That will change by the end of the year though.

The fact that alonso has the faster car out of corners doesnt excuse 11 laps. He never really WENT for it. I'm not saying it was beyond him by any means. He just doesnt take the risks anymore.

[LUD02C]

Mate, The old European tracks it is VERY hard to pass another F1 car.
Think about this, he over took Jenson and 2 BMW's in 1 chicane (major risk) but never had a CLEAR oppitunity to pass Alonso.

If you have never raced it is hard to think thats its hard to pass, looks easy on tv and seems easy in theory but really its not.
Even in Karting for me its a pain in the ass.

Senna was great at qualifying, but again he had a terrific car under him too.

[nEUROtic]

I think last night proved schumacher has a terrific car as well now.

[LUD02C]

I think last night proved schumacher has a terrific car as well now.

Agree with you there, but so does Renualt and BAR showed a MAJOR improvment.

Red Bull didn't score any points which is weird, but seeing Jacques getting 6th and giving the press shit was awesome!

[nEUROtic]

i cant stand jacques, but thats just an irrational hatred I dont have any facts to support it ;)

It seems a team can only have really good car ;) Micheals is great and not rubes, alonso but not fisi, any driver apart from raikkonen at mclaren.

I feel sorry for those guys :)

[LUD02C]

I also feel for Kimi, poor guy has the chance to win races he has won before and beaten Michael, Alonso etc.
The team just can't get his car right, I wonder if Juan will race in Spain.

Spain Fri, Sat and Sun has been sold out 2 weeks ago!
How good is that?

[nEUROtic]

Prolly to do with alonso leading the championship.

Yeah kimi musta been a terroist in a previous life and did an attack on a hall of mirrors to get luck like he has. No wonder the guy gets ****ing hammered and exposes himself to strippers. Hell I do that and I'm nowhere near that disillusioned. Oh wait I've said too much..

[kenshin]

this year its even harder to pass on track with the raised front bar creating more turberlance...

cant even remember any genuine overtaking in 4 races now... that werent leaders overtaking slower backmarkers...
schumacher had a good ~5 attempts at passing but couldnt pull it off...
his car was indeed the faster of the top 3 but like murray walker used to say "catching is one thing... overtaking is another"...

i want to see sato get a podium this year too!...

i just hope they continue to improve the car as the year progresses...

[7th Gen]

Agree with you there, but so does Renualt and BAR showed a MAJOR improvment.

Red Bull didn't score any points which is weird, but seeing Jacques getting 6th and giving the press shit was awesome!

what sort of shit was JV giving the press? that would have been interesting

damn i should have watched it last night. i only had the webcast as i had something early on this morning

at one stage button was leading? but the schu is the master, isn't he?

welcome back to the ferrari comeback, and BAR too

[kenshin]

schumacher obviously had the fastest car on the track...

12th to 3rd just cause he could stay out longer and pull in times 1-2 sec faster than anyone else ...

anyone else think that sato should've done more ? 4th was really obtainable... considering jenson was pumping out quickish times...
one stage it was BAR 2nd and 3rd...

then again the mclaren car is no slouch either...

(btw 3 pages in the space of 1 night... we're gonna need a new thread jason by the time barcelona comes around :))

[toE]

Everyone will have to agree that Schumacher had the fastest car last night.
I was shocked/surprised/amazed at his overtaking Button to be honest. I just didn't see it coming, maybe that's why. And it was a remarkable action.

However, when he caught up with Alonso, I thought he would've been able to pull it off. So, pretty disappointing that he didn't manage to overtake Alonso.
It looked like he had a couple of chances to, but then again, I can understand that it may not be as easy as it looks or sounds.

But it was without a doubt a pretty entertaining race.

I'm glad Button managed a podium to give BAR Honda some points. I also wish BAR Honda to be in the top 3 this season, if not 2nd like last year or even better 1st! :p

Does anybody know where I can watch the press interview from last night? I dozed off while waiting for it to come on. :(

[pornstar]

I think U gotat Congrat Alonso, having a car about 1 second slower than the Ferrari but being able to hold off MS. But saying MS took no risks well, he did cat and mkouse tactics trying everything to throw Alonso off the racing line (which he did), but still wasnt able to pass because of the grip of the Renault and acceleration out of the corners. Alonso was smart at points slowing the ferrari right down mid corner to really get the advantage of acceleration which was what the renault did better.

Kenshin, Sato did the best he could for the team and 5th was a great result, u gotta keep in perspective that he lost a huge amount of time being stuck behind jarno trulli in the mid part of the race.

As for kimi being not up there, do u guys know something i missed? I never heard them actually say he was running light... or are you guys assuming?

[LUD02C]

I'm just guessing that Kimi was running light, mainly because he was 2 seconds quicker then Alonso on the first lap.

Toe go here to read conference
http://www.formula1.com/news/2912.html

[kenshin]

andy... sato was 3rd at one stage... infront of wurtz...
yes 5th is respectable... but for someone of sato's experience... he should've pressured / kept up to wurtz more than he did in the end...

sato is like barrichello... ever relyable for points but never challenging for track position... the move he did on webber was top notch thou...

[pornstar]

nah, his 3rd was only cos of pitstops, he hadnt made his... ie he really wanst 3rd overall in the race, he never had the chance after being stuck behind trulli for so long.

Jase, you could assume that, but then again, the ferrari was faster than anyone else by almost 2 seconds per lap and he was refueled at the time!

[LUD02C]

Jase, you could assume that, but then again, the ferrari was faster than anyone else by almost 2 seconds per lap and he was refueled at the time!

Yeh I know, thats why I was so pissed off when Kimi had a box of neutrals.!

[nEUROtic]

I dont think kimi was THAT light, he was still like 2-3 seconds slower than his first qualifying lap.

[LUD02C]

ITV didn't speak to Kimi did they?
Nothing has been confirmed on why he had to retire!

[kenshin]

[QUOTE=pornstar]nah, his 3rd was only cos of pitstops, he hadnt made his... ie he really wanst 3rd overall in the race, he never had the chance after being stuck behind trulli for so long.[QUOTE]

wurtz didnt pit too... trulli pitted first and released a bunch of cars...

[Javed]

Kimi set the 5th fastest lap of the race, on lap 8. Running light? I think so ;)

[LUD02C]

In Bahrain kimi's car had to retire and De La Rosa's car was fine.
Same thing happened at Imola, Kimi's car had the pace just like Wurz but it just couldn't hold out.

Montoya must be holding his breath, when he comes back it could go Juan out, Kimi podium.

[pornstar]

Toan u missing the point, sato was on a lighter fuel load at the time, he needed to eb making time up but couldnt due to trulli, thats why after the pit stop wurz ended up in 4th and sato in 5th....

[LUD02C]

Ralf Schumacher loses point with penalty
Toyota to appeal the decision

The Race Director has referred Ralf Schumacher to the stewards for an incident that occurred with Nick Heidfeld's Williams following his second pit stop.

Having reviewed the evidence, the stewards considered that it was an unsafe manoeuvre and applied a 25-second penalty.

In response, Panasonic Toyota Racing team principal Tsutomu Tomita said: "In view of the extremely vague description of the regulation and a number of similar incidents which have gone unpunished, Toyota has decided to appeal the decision of the stewards in order to clarify this issue for the future."

Source Toyota Racing

[Dylan]

I understand what you are saying Dylan, but Webber had:
1/ Track position
2/ Right of way (Fisichella went to way to fast and had no brakes with no rubber left on his tyres)

- Fisichella was on the inside = right of way
- Webber was only about 1/2 a carlength in front

[Dylan]

In Bahrain kimi's car had to retire and De La Rosa's car was fine.

Correct me if im wrong but didnt Kimi finish third at Bahrain?

Kimis car retired due to a Driveshaft Failure.

[Hondavirgin]

damn it sucks not having internet at home!

firstly, webber did his usual trick. He's great when its all going well, but as soon as he makes his first mistake and loses a place or two its all over for him, like he loses concentration and just falls back through the field, he's done it a fair few times now.

Fisichella, damn it, unlucky even when he finally does get a shot, he wouldn't have won but could have got points at least.

Again, Renault's traction control and drive out of the corners is amazing and earnt them points/the win in this case. They've had it for a few years now where no-one can get close out of corners, which makes them a bugger to pass coz you can't catch up close enough to have a shot into the next corner. Every single corner you'd watch alonso fly out of the corners and pull a few car lengths, that (with some defensive driving) is what kept schumi back. Only place he could get close was tosa (?) and that was only coz there was a relatively fast couple of corners before hand.

But, if the new Ferrari is that quick at every track, its going to be a whitewash for the rest of the season!

and i think someone said that Sato was like barrichello?, i disagree, sato is WAY more racey than Barrichello!, remember him passing for position at Hockenheim round the outside with two wheels on the grass in a high speed left hander?

[LUD02C]

Hondavirgin - You got to remember that when your directly behind someone with the new aero rules the person with clear air (alonso) is always going to be able to pull away quicker.


Dylan - So your saying if someone goes in way to fast and can't brake or turn in, its ok to hit the other car?
Because thats what happened.

Also, my bad Kimi did finish at Bahrain (was doing to many things)

[Hondavirgin]

Hondavirgin - You got to remember that when your directly behind someone with the new aero rules the person with clear air (alonso) is always going to be able to pull away quicker.

yeah, i understand that, just like you can't follow that closely through long fast corners, and also the first into the corner is also gonna be earlier on the power, but the Renault's have been able to consistently out drive (as in accelerate from low speeds) most other cars for a few years now. Look at their starts, always hot off the line.

[LUD02C]

Yeh I agree with you champ, the Renault is outstanding.

This thread is going good, 2-3 days old and 5 pages long I think.
Good discussions.

[Dylan]

Hondavirgin - You got to remember that when your directly behind someone with the new aero rules the person with clear air (alonso) is always going to be able to pull away quicker.


Dylan - So your saying if someone goes in way to fast and can't brake or turn in, its ok to hit the other car?
Because thats what happened.

Also, my bad Kimi did finish at Bahrain (was doing to many things)

No I'm saying that Fisi had the inside line, Webber had no chance to pass around the outside of a hairpin, he should have waited. He unnessecarily risked his car on a move that would never have worked out.

[LUD02C]

Webber could of overtaken him, he had more traction and a better/faster car and Fisichella knew that and out braked himself.

If you watch it again you'll know what i mean, there has been plenty of moves done on hairpins, especially when someone has fuk all traction.

[7th Gen]

saw something this morning about button possibly being disqualified cause he car wasn't minimum weight or something?

so don't break out the Dom Perignon just yet :D

EDIT: sorry didn't see the other thread. my bad

[LUD02C]

Imola - fastest laps in the race :
1. Michael Schumacher - Ferrari - 1'21.858 - lap 48
2. Jenson Button - BAR Honda - 1'22.604 - lap 22
3. Alexander Wurz - McLaren Mercedes - 1'23.023 - lap 24
4. Fernando Alonso - Renault - 1'23.133 - lap 22
5. Kimi Raikkonen - McLaren Mercedes - 1'23.296 - lap 8
6. Takuma Sato - BAR Honda - 1'23.368 - lap 23
7. Tonio Liuzzi - Red Bull Cosworth - 1'23.488 - lap 46
8. Felipe Massa - Sauber Petronas - 1'23.602 - lap 37
9. Nick Heidfeld - Williams BMW - 1'23.917 - lap 54
10. Jacques Villeneuve - Sauber Petronas - 1'24.017 - lap 45
11. Jarno Trulli - Toyota - 1'24.022 - lap 44
12. Narain Karthikeyan - Jordan Toyota - 1'24.094 - lap 20
13. Ralf Schumacher - Toyota - 1'24.230 - lap 19
14. Mark Webber - Williams BMW - 1'24.419 - lap 17
15. Rubens Barrichello - Ferrari - 1'24.435 - lap 13
16. David Coulthard - Red Bull Cosworth - 1'24.641 - lap 22
17. Tiago Monteiro - Jordan Toyota - 1'24.719 - lap 19
18. Giancarlo Fisichella - Renault - 1'25.665 - lap 4
19. Christijan Albers - Minardi Cosworth - 1'27.420 - lap 18
20. Patrick Friesacher - Minardi Cosworth - 1'28.334 - lap 5

[jackosimm]

unlucky about ralf...i missed so much of this GP so anooyed!

[Jus-10]

It was the best race I have seen in a while....Schumy was flying and it was as if every one else was standing still. I had the biggest grin on my face :)

I am a 100% Schumy fan but you have to take your hat off to Alonso...he kept a level head and did what he had to do to win the race. I was very impressed!

I will always be a Ferrari fan, but if there is another team that I have always followed/supported, it is the Renault (formerly Benetton).

It looks as though the rest of the season should be intersting...if only Schumacher can get a good grid position....

[civ_sik]

lol imagine if he hadnt messed up his lap i dont think anyone would have seen him agian, but he proaberly wouldnt have pushed hard at all cause now everyone knows that their car is very fast....

[Dylan]

Webber could of overtaken him, he had more traction and a better/faster car and Fisichella knew that and out braked himself.

If you watch it again you'll know what i mean, there has been plenty of moves done on hairpins, especially when someone has fuk all traction.

So Fisichella was just meant to give up? is that what your saying? Schumacher had a faster car at Imola, but Alonso didn't give up!! De La Rosa had the faster car at Bahrain, but Webber didnt give up!! Point is, Webber made the move at the right corner, the wrong way. He un-nessecarily put his car in a vunerable position. Im sure that if he stayed wide at that corner, pulled a switch through so he had a better run onto the straight, then got the inside line into the next corner, he would have passed him and got his first podium position.

The speed that Fisichella took into that corner he could have made it through... Webber was squeezing him though. Ends up he was limited and the back end slipped away from him.

Thats my reading on the situation anyway. :thumbsup:

[Hondavirgin]

So Fisichella was just meant to give up? is that what your saying? Schumacher had a faster car at Imola, but Alonso didn't give up!! De La Rosa had the faster car at Bahrain, but Webber didnt give up!! Point is, Webber made the move at the right corner, the wrong way. He un-nessecarily put his car in a vunerable position. Im sure that if he stayed wide at that corner, pulled a switch through so he had a better run onto the straight, then got the inside line into the next corner, he would have passed him and got his first podium position.

The speed that Fisichella took into that corner he could have made it through... Webber was squeezing him though. Ends up he was limited and the back end slipped away from him.

Thats my reading on the situation anyway. :thumbsup:

From what i Remember, hadn't Webber passed him into the previous hairpin and Fisi was trying to re-pass Webber? Webber was ahead going into the turn and fisi had a shot, Webber could have avoided it by not turning in but then he was in his rights to turn in, just as fisi was within his rights to have a tilt.

Racing incident.

[Javed]

Yes it was a racing incident however Fisi went on the dirtiest line I have ever seen, didn't u see all the shit he was throwing up, traction was minimal, speed was way too fast to take an inside line into the apex like he did.

[Hondavirgin]

I didn't say it was a smart move of his, I agree, it was never going to work, but the only reason he hit webber was because webber turn into his path. It would be different if where he was aiming he was always going to hit webber.

At most, he would have slid out to the outside of the corner and webber would have switched back and got him.

Therefore, Fisi was attempting a pass, Webber was attempting to block, which makes it a racing incident.

[civ_sik]

yea but if webber had of gone well wide he'd of been behind ralf and nick and giancarlo so it was just a racing incident and it was ages ago get over it.

[nEUROtic]

LMFAO!! Someone stole Bernie's Wheels from his new CLS55 Mercedez!! 2 wheels only, and they were worth around 1900 bucks. He didn't report it to the police either... Someone is gonna get whacked...

[jackosimm]

LMFAO!! Someone stole Bernie's Wheels from his new CLS55 Mercedez!! 2 wheels only, and they were worth around 1900 bucks. He didn't report it to the police either... Someone is gonna get whacked...


hahaha lol thatll learn him! dunno if thats quiet the way of solving things lol but still, someone will wake up with smashed knee caps sometime soon:D

[LUD02C]

LMFAO!! Someone stole Bernie's Wheels from his new CLS55 Mercedez!! 2 wheels only, and they were worth around 1900 bucks. He didn't report it to the police either... Someone is gonna get whacked...

Wasn't that a while ago? (roughly 2-3 weeks ago)

[nEUROtic]

I only saw it recently in the latest f1 Racing mag. Could have very well have been.

I just dont like the dude :) Thought it was a good cum uppenence!

[civ_sik]

lol

[LUD02C]

David Coulthard has revealed that he grabbed the “little t**t” Felipe Massa by the throat during a paddock confrontation after the San Marino GP – with the Sauber driver only spared “embarrassment” at the hands of the Scot by the presence of his parents.

DC and Massa had earlier clashed on the track, with the Sauber driver giving Coulthard 'the finger' as he barged the Red Bull on to the grass.

Speaking to the Daily Mirror, Coulthard revealed that the action then continued in the Imola car park. A furious Coulthard apparently 'leapt out in front of Massa's car' as the Brazilian went to leave the circuit, and when he wound down the window Coulthard grabbed him and shouted: "No-one gives me the finger you little t**t."

"I leaned in and grabbed him by the neck. I have respect for other drivers and I expect them to have respect for me. Then I looked up and saw his parents were in the back and that cooled things down pretty quickly.

"I didn't want to embarrass him in front of them. But he continued ranting that I had used unsporting behaviour. Massa accused me of driving his car off the road at 200mph and I have never done that in my life. But I am not in this business to give way to anyone.

"He came up behind me and went down my right but I was not about to go on the dirty part of the track. He should have picked a better place to try and pass. I once showed Schumacher the finger when I was angry but I apologised afterwards. Massa had the chance to do that after the race but he didn't."

Coulthard's so much more fun since he left McLaren, isn’t he?

[^^v]

ahahaha oh damn lolz..
some funny stuff there...

[Vivski]

Haha, yeah that was pretty funny.

I think Webber's getting a bad rap. Both he and Heidfeld were in crap cars in the last race. I don't think it's a concentration thing, I think the Williams deteriorates over the course of the race. Look at the start... he was trapped behind Trulli, had no chance to pass but he tried his guts out. Then the car started playing up and the back was stepping out (same problem the whole season) and then he had no chance.

Webber has been unlucky so far this year. He keeps getting stuck behind the slower cars. Needs to maybe put in a bit more fuel to do what Schumie does and overtake during the pitstops.

What a great race though. I think now that the Ferrari is so fast, there should be a handicap system put in place. The Ferraris should start at the back of the grid and the top 10 should start in reverse order. That would make for some exciting racing.

But I really wish they went to tracks where you could overtake. When they get to Monaco, it'll be the same old story... whoever gets to the first corner in 1st then wins the race. It'll be all about qualifying, 'cos once you get caught behind a slower car... race over.

[LUD02C]

The only thing with Webber that shits me is this, if he did get 3rd in Malaysia none of this would be said now.

As Vivski said, the BMW car is not up to scratch and you can see both Mark and Nick battling with it.

Monaco is a boring race yes, but the atmosphere and history in it makes it like Bathurst to must aussies.

A lot of retirements and crashes at Monaco, but thats a racea away we have Spain to worry about first.

Here is an interview with Sam Michael:
http://www.formula1.com/news/2923.html

[LUD02C]

DC Thumps Critical Massa

Saturday April 30 2005
F1 fisticuffs? Well, not exactly. But David Coulthard has admitted that he went looking for Felipe Massa after the San Marino Grand Prix and grabbing him by his collar whe he stopped his car.

As competitions go a fist fight between Felipe Massa and David Coulthard would be a bit of a non-starter. DC has been relating how he grabbed hold of "the midget with the digit" as he exited Imola after the San Marino Grand Prix.

The revelation is interesting for a number of reasons – for a start you wouldn’t have caught him doing that when he was at McLaren last season.

Since the 2004 season ended, though, we’ve had Kimi Raikkonen going on wild drinking sprees in the Canary Isles and getting chucked out of lap dancing clubs, so maybe it would be okay now, but certainly not in the past.

Now normally when these stories get out it’s someone else who relates them. Nigel Mansell once tried a similar manoeuvre on Ayrton Senna after Senna drove aggressively in a race. But in this case it’s Coulthard himself who revealed it. So does that mean Red Bull like the idea of a wild, claymore-wielding Braveheart Scot seeking revenge on those that have done him wrong and encouraged David to reveal it?

It sounds like the Fizzy Fruit Drink team, whose self-proclaimed mission is to bring ‘fun’ back into F1, like the idea of having a bit of a character in their team. In Bahrain he was making fat jokes about Juan Montoya and surprising a naked Jacques Villeneuve in the shower (supposedly). This race he’s exacting punishment on the Brazilian with a charisma bypass.

Most interesting of all is that Coulthard was STILL angry all that time after the race had finished. To be attacking Massa when he was leaving the race circuit means that the incident must have happened a good twenty minutes after the race finished and possibly a lot more. We’ve seen DC angry in the past but only immediately after an incident.

Yes, he used to have some waspy digs at Irvine (who no doubt will be penning something for a Sun newspaper column as we speak) but that was as far as it went. This is totally unexpected.

What must have driven DC mad was that Massa was completely in the wrong. The Brazilian tried an overtaking move early in the San Marino Grand Prix and got his nose knocked off for his troubles. He started from too far back and was never alongside, David turns in, BANG!

Had Massa been a little more patient at this stage of the race – we weren’t up to first pit-stops yet – he would have got a lot further. He would have cleared Coulthard easily on the pit-stops. As it was, he had to do it all over again. He might well have thrown a away a 7th or 8th place finish with that manoeuvre.

Michael Schumacher showed in the race that patience is a virtue, and that if you have a car that is so much quicker than the car in front, you can take advantage. Provided you are prepared to wait.

Coulthard had a similar experience himself at the Monaco Grand Prix a few years ago when problems with his McLaren meant he got stuck behind the Arrows of Enrique Bernoldi. DC moaned that Bernoldi should have let him past as there was no way the Arrows was going to finish in front of him.

As a result Coulthard was lambasted by all and sundry who told him it was his job to get past Bernoldi, not Bernoldi’s job to move over.

So David sticking to his line was absolutely the right thing to do. Further down the road was team-mate Tonio Liuzzi who would have come under attack had Massa got past. For Massa to criticise the Scot's driving was remarkable.

After getting a new front wing and presumably making a one-fingered gesture at the Red Bull team Massa came back, eventually caught Coulthard up and tried to take him going into Rivazza – again without getting his Sauber alongside first. As a result Massa’s tyre bounced Coulthard’s sidepod and pushed him over the kerbs.

Whereas you might have expected an ordinary driver to acknowledge his mistake with a wave, Massa gave Coulthard the finger.

Extraordinary stuff, but not for regular Massa watchers. Massa, who once deliberately bumped the car in front going into Ste Devote at Monaco to get him out of the way, has behaved like he was something special ever since he got into F1.

One of the funniest F1 TV moments came when pitlane reporter and F1 Racing magazine journo Peter Windsor tried to interview Massa after he retired once during his first season. Peter had been waxing lyrical about how brilliant Massa was, how he was the future of F1 and super talented – a real brown-nose job.

Massa had retired just beyond the pitlane and was walking back towards the camera and so Peter had to wait for him to arrive. He filled his commentary with all the complementary drivel then as Felipe arrived Peter put his microphone up to get the Brazilian’s reaction.

Massa waved him away like he was a virus. At which point Peter said, “So, back to the studio…”

Sunday’s demonstration by Massa showed why Peter Sauber would be very wise to hang onto Jacques Villeneuve in his team. Villeneuve is beyond all that. I’m not sure that the corporate image that Credit Suisse and Petronas want to present to the World is sponsoring a driver who makes one-fingered gestures all the time.

He ought to be driving for Red Bull…

[LUD02C]

Montoya might not be racing in Spain either, decision will be made in a few days time, Wurz will be replacing him if he doesn't race.

[^^v]

Montoyas bak...:o



Following medical tests in Madrid and at the team’s headquarters in Woking, Juan Pablo Montoya will make his return to the cockpit of the MP4-20 following his absence at the Bahrain and San Marino events as a result of a shoulder injury.

[jackosimm]

should bring some fire into F1 again with him back, he fell off a moto hey?

[Hondavirgin]

wasn't it a "tennis injury?";)

[^^v]

Mosley is a Nazi




Mosley is a Nazi! Totally power-mad.

Knowing that the cars face g-forces in the extreme a normal sump in insufficient. Some internal baffling may not even be up to the task. Some road cars have a recirculating system to a "collector" up front. This is nothing new. I would like BAR to demonstrate just how much fuel will remain in the collector when the car runs out of fuel. To me that would be sensible. Fuel is bad ballast. It cannot be distributed strategically, it will always have a higher CG than weights. Think of it this way, in the days of carburators would we say a car is under weight if it was legal when the float bowl was filled but it was under when the float bowl was empty?

And to ask for such draconian penalties after your own stewards gave the car an initial pass demonstrates that, at the most we are talking about something that is debatable and not something that is flagrent or willful.

To escalate the discourse on this matter to such extremes is irresponsible. Mosley has lost his marbles. Even if he gets away with it, it will still be a travesty, a miscarriage of justice. And he could well enough get away with it if the "court" is stacked with political "yes men" and stooges.

For two years in a row he has jammed through technical regulations unilaterally in FLAGRENT violation of the governing procedures. He has used the "safety" canard as a ruse to justify it. How weak! Someone please tell me why cylinder bore spacing must be spec'd in the V8s for "safety". Why is direct injection, variable valve timing etc. all banned for safety?

Then Mosley will tell you that such measures are done for cost savings. Granting this for a moment, "cost cutting" is an insufficient reason for unilateral imposition of new rules. (there is a clause for rapid action unilateral action to be taken for safety though.... real safety issues like survival cell and roll hoop strength, not neutering the cars arbitrarily) Mosley's hypocracy is exposed and only those who aren't afraid to make waves will publically call him out on it. Ron and Frank declined to make a stink of Mosley's illegal imposition of new rules last year for pragmatic reasons (creating a spectacle, and fear of retribution), not for lack of legal merit. Sadly we now look to have a stinkier spectacle on our hands. Until Mosley is reined in (or replaced!), we can only expect more tyranny.

I just want F1 to stand for innovation, any engine configuration would be fine with me. I remember as recently as the mid nineties Senna and Schumi winning with a nimble V8 on certain tracks like Donnington '93 (Senna's best drive!) while the Ferrari's had heavy and thirsty V12s and Honda and Reggie had the V10s. Today's regs are too restrictive. Would we ever have a six wheeler today? Would we ever have a twin chassis car today? Would we ever even have wings today? Would we even use four valve engines today? Would we have ever had ground effect cars? Would we even have paddle shift trannies today? All these things and others are part of the glory and heritage of F1. Speciing cylinder centers, cam angles, number of valves, inlet restrictions, etc. are all, to me, against the spirit of F1. Chassis restrictions are too rigid too. Just think of this telling fact..... why do we have a "silly plate"? Purely because of stupid rules. Having a thing that we all know is stupid, and commonly calling it "silly" only testifies to the present maddness of the rules. If Williams wants to have brake ducts the size of a tuba, then let them. Let them pay the penalty in added drag, not exclude them from a race like they did in Canada.

(BTW, why isn't the mere posession of such non-conforming parts (the ducts) interpreted as flagrent cheating? Answer: it is the pure and arbitrary caprice of Mosley.)

We need more room for innovation. F1 could have been allowed to make a real contribution to the automobile world (and even mankind) if they allowed the CVT to be developed. Imagine the effeciency of a car running at a steady optimal RPM accelerating only because the tranny is raising the ratio. Imagine the power of a car running at a steady optimal RPM accelerating for the same reason. Engines could be tuned for peak effeciency or power without regard for the torque curve or powerband.

Hydraulic drives which need no differentials, which can give you AWD without intrusive shafts (remember the only reason we have hydraulic shifters are because John Barnard wanted to do away with all the constrainst of the linkage). Let them pursue regenerative braking and other things that could be of real benefit to the world. The possibilities are endless. F1 is a proving ground under the harshest and most demanding conditions. Lets unchain the designers not stiffle them with "silly" rules.

PS. I am not a BAR fan.

[LUD02C]

Montoyas back, good to hear.
Please Banks who own F1 sack Max Mosley please!

[LUD02C]

Kimi Raikkonen no longer has the sole rights to F1’s drinking tales as according to reports Jenson Button and Vitantonio Liuzzi recently staged their own personal drinking competition at a West End nightclub.

The two were spotted at the Nick House Entertainment party at Umbaba club in the West End on Saturday night where a casual evening turned into a drinking and dancing competition. Although who won, The Daily Mirror isn’t saying.

"The two drivers turned up separately with groups of pals," an onlooker told the British tabloid. "But within half an hour they decided to have a drinking challenge.”

"They both knocked back bottles of Grey Goose vodka but Jenson then moved on to cocktails. Vitantonio shied away from the mojitos though, so it was definitely one-nil to Jenson."

However, it didn’t stop there as the two drivers then decided to have a dance competition.

"It was hysterical. They both staggered on to the dancefloor, but Jenson stunned his rival with his hilarious John Travolta moves," the onlooker continued.

"They were both taking it deadly seriously. There was a crowd of clubbers standing around them cheering and clapping.”

"Jenson particularly likes grooving to a rock house mix of Jay-Z and Linkin Park. Vitantonio was finally forced to admit defeat when Jenson encouraged other partygoers to join his 'train' as he led them round the club in a conga.”

"Jenson had about 12 people attached to his waist so in the end Vitantonio had to join on as a passenger!"

And according to the newspaper, this isn’t the first time in recent weeks that Button’s been spotted knocking it back as he was also seen “looking a bit wobbly last week with fellow Formula One driver David Coulthard and a couple of girlies at Umbaba.”

[LUD02C]

Gents.
Found this:
http://www.gurneyflap.com/bmwturbof1engine.html

Its BMW F1 Turbo Site with photos and info etc.
Have a look around.

[jackosimm]

wasn't it a "tennis injury?";)
haha yes yes my mistake:p anyone know about it for sure?

[LUD02C]

Juan said Tennis but someone else said Motorbike then Ron Dennis said he didn't care what his drivers did out of F1 life so everyone thought it was a motorbike accident.

[Javed]

Ahahaha Button, what a farkin champ!

[jackosimm]

Juan said Tennis but someone else said Motorbike then Ron Dennis said he didn't care what his drivers did out of F1 life so everyone thought it was a motorbike accident.

thought that was the case

[LUD02C]

Montoya crashed in practice.

Juan Pablo Montoya had a smashing return to racing on Friday at Barcelona, shunting in the final minute of the day’s second practice session.

Montoya spun off the track at Turn Nine while travelling at a high speed. His car collided with the barriers and suffered heavy damage to the rear wing, engine and other areas.

"The first time I have a shunt whilst driving for this team had to happen today and I'm sorry for the guys who have to repair the damage overnight," he said.

"I don't know what happened but I just lost it."

Luckily, though, Montoya didn’t re-injure his shoulder in the accident.

"I went to see the FIA Medical Delegate afterwards and he said I was absolutely fine. My shoulder has been coping well and until the last lap everything had been going according to plan."

He added: "I'm excited about the rest of the weekend and hopefully we will put on a good show."

However, Mercedes boss Norbert Haug believes Montoya's off was “caused by him pushing a bit too hard" but nonetheless he’s “pleased that Juan Pablo is back and that he is okay."

The Colombian finished Practice Two in tenth place while his team-mate Kimi Raikkonen was fourth fastest.

[panda[cRx]]

is it just be or is it boring with no BAR as a 'home team' ? :o

i've struggled to keep interest tonight

[jackosimm]

yeah me too, its been a little dull....I like the old days with tyres and complicated race strategies....whats this I just heard martin or james saying Sauber may switch to BMW engines next year?

[Hondavirgin]

']is it just be or is it boring with no BAR as a 'home team' ? :o

i've struggled to keep interest tonight

I thought it was a pretty good race, though that may have been just coz Fisi was on it :D

I think the problem with webber is that he can't pass for sh!t. And the fact that his car wasn't that fast is no excuse, people were passing relatively evenly matched cars all race but Webber did his usual thing of

"Bugger, i'm behind someone, well, i'll just sit here and then use this as an excuse for me not performing again rather than try to pass" he never even looked like he was going to pass.

Also, he held up his team mate for 3 or 4 laps who was clearly faster than him and had to stop soon!

And Fisi was robbed of second, no-one was even close to him apart from Raikonnen, fastest lap on the last lap and took like 2 laps to get past webber..... If webber had had the same thing happen to him as happened to fisi he would have finished in 15th or something...

ok, enough ranting about webber...

[Vivski]

It's hard when you have a car which is fast through the twisties and crap on the straight. It means you catch really quickly but can't pass. The Renault of Fisi flew past Webber, 'cos he was about 20km/h faster down the straight.

It must really piss him off. Every race so far he's been stuck behind someone slowing him down, 'cos the car was too gutless to pass. That's why he's so damn fast in qualifying!

I liken it to sitting behind some guy in a V8 going up the Black Spur. He slows you down in the corners, holds you up and then floors it down the straight. It only takes you another 2 corners to catch up again and crawl through the corners. Then you get to a straight and he floors it again. It's infuriating!

I too found the race pretty interesting. It would've been better if there was more competition. Kimi had a lot more speed in that car, but there was no point him pushing once he had a 20s lead. It was pretty much the same for everyone. They were either on their own with no reason to push or stuck behind slower cars.
Good to see Kimi get a well deserved win. It's been coming for a long time.

It now seems like anyone can win on their day. Anyone from Renault, Ferrari or McLaren. And the Toyotas and BAR (when they return) can certainly fight for podiums. Really entertaining and I reckon it's the most interesting F1 has been for as many years as I've been watching.

[Hondavirgin]

It now seems like anyone can win on their day. Anyone from Renault, Ferrari or McLaren. And the Toyotas and BAR (when they return) can certainly fight for podiums. Really entertaining and I reckon it's the most interesting F1 has been for as many years as I've been watching.

I agree, the season is great, although i'd like to see Ferrari have a bit more luck and actually be in there fighting

[LUD02C]

Subjects to talk about.

Webber's performance.
No BAR
The Renaults hot then cold, hot then cold
Bridgestone tyres
Michael's fuel stratergy?
Michaels late pace again.
Kimi, wow kido slow down.
Toyota, come on give them a clap good effort.
Neil Cromptons and both Martin and James's view on BAR Honda

Many more, but I can't hang around to discuss now :(
Wait till later tonight :)

[Javed]

Wow, Kimi was a man on a mission, that Mclaren just looked so solid throughout the race. His pace during the first stint was incredible, and once he realised his gap to alonso he could just nurse the car home. The Renaults looked a tad inconsistent, alonso seemed to be struggling with some tyre issues I believe (they adjusted the pressures during the stop if i recall correctly), however still very good pace and good enough to match the rest of the field. Bridgestones seem shit, the end. As for the Williams cars, now that leaves a bit to be desired. Does anybody else agree with me, in watching their cars, that they just do not look comfortable through corners? It looked like Webber was fighting under and oversteer last night, however I may be wrong. Plus the start was very poor, and with his light fuel load, the rest was pretty much history. For me I think the best achievements of the race were by the Toyota lads again, both ralf and trulli very competitive. The Toyota team have done extremely well this season, and deserve to be where they are.

[jackosimm]

Kimi was goin bloody quick! good effort, and Toyota! bout time they got some results and good on them too. Weird season still its all over the place...

[^^v]

regarding Neil Crompton's views on BAR...
friend was telling me on 'RPM' his views were quite contrary to wot he said just before the GP was aired on TEN...

[Javed]

I never saw the RPM show, however before the Race he did not say much, except explained the basics of what happened.

[^^v]

ahahah i wouldnt be saying anything negative if i were him...
Honda sponsoring the televising of the F1 on ten... not to mention all the ad's playing on the network...

[Kawasaki]

is anyone able to give more info on 'channel tens' view of BAR? I didnt bother watching cause of no BAR also

[Javed]

What I don't understand is why many BAR fans will still not watch the races. I believe it is very important to watch the other teams compete. Any true fan of the sport will still follow the races religiously.

[LUD02C]

I'm not a fan of martin or James but at least they say to what they fell and they both said last night that BAR broke the rules and they should cop it sweet.

Neil Crompton is sitting on the fence, he said last night in a great smart ass way that this isn't the first time BAR had interpreted the rules different to everyone else, he wants to say something but I think higher powers are saying NO NO NO!

How good was the Spanish director?
Slow montion video's all the time to show the tyre situation, who was bold who was ok, and a lot of incar footage which was great.
You saw Alonso changing things with the controls, Webber fighting the car and Kimi just cruising.

Great tv was the behind shot of Trulli's Toyota after the 2nd pit stop when he had a great flame or two just burst out of one side of his exhaust.

What are Ferrari thinking with fueling Michael up like that?
The only thing I can think of is that they knew the tyres weren't going to hold out and had to nurse the car until 1/2 the race was done and then see what they can do. Very disappointing, but if you read planetf1.com you will see Alonso, Kimi and Trulli expecting Michael and Ferrari to be right up there in this 19 round season.

Webber, Webber oh Webber.
Yes I know the car is rubbish and isn't balanced and doesn't have speed.
But Montoya last year one at Suzuka with a slower car.
Anyone else notice he buckled again when Rubens was behind him?
Just kicked the tale end out (power to early or too much speed into corner) and back end on dirt Rubens into 8th or whatever it was.
Then the thing that pissed me off, he didn't even block or try to block Fisichella from passing him.

Renault, fastest lap on the last lap by Fisichella and Alonso went cold and then ok then cold back to ok.
I think they will run into problems soon.

I just wish, that Montoya didn't spin (which he caught FANTASTICALLY) and his fuel hose didn't stuff up.

My hands are sore, too much typing.

[pornstar]

not true Javed, alot of us, myself included and i know alot of my mates are not F1 supporters, we are BAR-Honda supporters, and hence no BAR no interest.

Its like Sydney Swans AFL in sydney, they dont support the AFL competition, they support the Sydney swans.

[LUD02C]

Problem is, why didn't BAR do it before and if it isn't so clear in the rule book why didn't another team do it either?

[Javed]

Mmmm fair enough. But if you were a swans supporter and the swans arent in the grand final, do you still not watch the match? Not a dig, but a serious question. Also, Jason you seem to hate BAR alot, Martin and James are twats and I would not trust them as far as I could throw them, their opinion means shit. The fact that Sir Frank Williams was on Fry's behalf is enough proof for me. Away from that argument, yes Montoya did look shit hot, and JPM is my favourite driver away from the BAR lads, so was thoroughly disappointed to see his fuel rig not work :( Mclaren have seemed to step up to the challenge.

[LUD02C]

I don't hate BAR, but I do dislike Jenson.
I would rather see them in it then not in it.

[^^v]

Problem is, why didn't BAR do it before and if it isn't so clear in the rule book why didn't another team do it either?

if ur refering to the 'cheating'...
u cant be sure a few other teams wernt doing the same thing...



(GMM) As the shudder of BAR's two-race ban is still felt up and down pitlane, it has emerged that three more teams may also have been running an iffy fuel setup.

Britain's 'Guardian' newspaper said the trio is believed to have 'modified (their tank's) design' after BAR were found guilty of using fuel as ballast and running an underweight contender.

But, at Imola, FIA stewards did not also check - for example - the Ferrari (http://www.f1central.net/profiles/item/formula_one/team/2/Ferrari/view.html) F2005 and Renault (http://www.f1central.net/profiles/item/formula_one/team/8/Renault/view.html) R25's own fuel system.



f1central.net

[pornstar]

Javed, i guess the masses wouldnt? Well I know I didnt watch it, and a few ppl said even thought there was so much uncertainty (which keeps viewers entertained), they found it boring without BAR.

I knew that Id be bored without BAR, I mean i watch qualifying etc up til the race, but after I found out BAR werent in, I jsut found that evetything else was boring. Just my opinion and no offense taken Javed, its just me, and I think a few ppl are the same.

[Jus-10]

I have been off the F1 for a few years now, but for some reason, this year I am finding myself sitting up all hours watching the races and I love it!

I am a straight-out Schumey fan, period, but over the past couple of years it became very predictable. This year's season, whilst filled with controversy, bizarre rules, etc is probably the most ineresting it has been for a number of years and I guess that is why I have come back to it.

With regards to last night's race, everyone seems to have been waiting for that race when Mclaren would bring everything together - Spain was obviously that race! I am not a McLaren fan (haven't been since the Senna days) but f*ck me that car looked shit-hot last night both in performance and even just the general on-road presence. It is one sleek looking car!

I am finding some of the rulings to be very frustrating (like not being able to do tyre changes) and my frustrations are probably only going to increase next year with more f*cked up ideas from Max. I think that article on Page 7 of the thread that lud posted up pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter.

This is the ultimate motor sporting circus in the world. It is where our road cars get their technology from (without F1 we might not have our beloved VTEC)....

Channel 10 sucks. It is as simple as that! I have always said, give it back to 9! (maybe even SBS). Actually, give me the job to host it and get rid of those puppets that handle the motorsport on 10 now. I rekon we could get a nice little team of well informed guys from here that could do a much better job.

But then i guess it is just like everything in life - POLITICS

Ahh that's enough rambling for tomight. Bring on the next round!

[LUD02C]

Next round might be the most boring to some people but there is always a big crash and the history at the place is terrific.

JUS-10 good to hear your back into F1, hope you stick around the motorsport section abit more.
Another Schumacher fan makes everyone happy!

I just want the tyre rule changed, bring back changing tyres!

[Jus-10]

Agreed - the tyre rule is the one thing I really want to see changed

[Vivski]

I reckon the tyre rule has proven to be a good one. I had my doubts and I seriously didn't believe they could make tyres to last a qualifying lap and 66 race laps. But I was wrong. They can do it and they have done it. I reckon it's good in a number of ways.

And Jase, you're right. Monaco is historically one of the most boring races. There is no straight. That means there is no passing. It's about qualifying, a good start and concentration. It's a race for the drivers and the teams. It's intense for them as one small mistake and that's it. But as far as watching the race goes... it's not that great.
Could be different this year, you never know. That's why I'll be watching ofcourse.

[Hondavirgin]

yeah, i liked the tyre changing, being able to blast out and shred your tyres on a short middle stint like schumey used to do.

As for Monaco, its a great race, but a processional one, I like watching it just to see the place. I went there a couple of years ago too, the Bus pulled into pole position and stopped on the straight haha (gotta love contiki).

I don't understand how if you're team isn't racing it can be boring, the race was great, whoever is in it. Using the footy example, I'm a Crows man myself, but i still enjoy watching any other good game, whoevers playing.

[LUD02C]

I think even Kimi had abit of a heart attack when he saw the blue smoke after his pit stop, anyone see him talking about it in the interviews?
Wouldn't be the first time Kimi was coming first and his engine let go.

I thought Ralf was going to punt Trulli off at one stage aswell.

Anyone else getting annoyed with Martin and James saying Stella?

[Hondavirgin]

haha, yeah, i also thought a bit of the "here we go again" when i saw the smoke from raikonnen's car. How was Trulli (?)'s fire in the pit lane though, rear jack guy would have a nice tan....

[LUD02C]

I'm trying to find some awesome pictures of that trulli backfire.
Must of got fuel on the exhaust pipes or something!

[jackosimm]

yes like I said before, theres a severe lack of strategy in the sport now....sorry spelling mistake there, not sport, "business". Tyre changes were great so much mind work just went into planning the race and so many factors were included I loved it.
LOL Kimi in first with blue smoke wouldnt of suprised him much, good the car finally got through the race for him I feel sorry at times.
And yes some pic's of those flames would be great! when they first cut to it, it didn't seem to bad cause theyd died down, but that replay! they were huge!

[Javed]

Yeh the trulli fire was farkin crazy, that woulda really fried the poor bastard checking the right rear tyre. Anybody smell singed hair/ burning flesh? :P

[jackosimm]

Anyone else getting annoyed with Martin and James saying Stella?


Sorry just read this, YES!

smell of a crematory...(spelling lol?) But yes, one beasty flame

[Vivski]

It was very unlike Ralf not to go for a kamikaze and punt Trulli off the track. He must've thought about it. I think he just never got close enough, 'cos if I know Ralf, if he gets a sniff, he'll dive up the inside even if it means risking a big crash. Very unlike him to be so restrained. If i was in the Toyota camp I would've been biting my nails to the wrist.

[Javed]

Yeh, Ralf is a bad racer IMO. They musta been yelling into his radio "DONT HIT TRULLI"

[^^v]

this guys on a fkn power trip i swear... :thumbdwn:




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(GMM) BAR-Honda could face a further six-month ban after criticising the governing FIA.

Honda spokesman Tatsuya Iida said a two-race ban for entering an underweight car at Imola is 'too severe' and wrong.

''We gave them proof we didn't break the rules,'' Tatsuya - also calling for 'clearer' regulations - added.

FIA president Max Mosley reacted angrily to Honda's adverse commentary by claiming the team is attacking 'the integrity' of the body.

''Any sport,'' a statement (alleging that Honda's view may be 'prejudicial to the image ... of Formula One') revealed, ''is likely to (when attacked) impose further sanctions on a competitor.

''(BAR-Honda's statements) are currently under investigation.''

With BAR's two race ban, came a further six month ban, 'suspended' for a one-year period.


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[jackosimm]

ouch, 6 months! Bit heavy for just fighting back I think....Should of accepted it however

[Hondavirgin]

ouch, 6 months! Bit heavy for just fighting back I think....Should of accepted it however

that 6 months is a suspended sentence, so only comes in if they do something wrong again....

I read on performance forums something about being able to use fuel as ballast being against the rules as well? which reads to me that any fuel in the system which makes the car up to 600kg is able to be used as ballast...= bad.

plus, someone else suggested if BAR claim that the extra tank (which i understand is a pressurised tank to allow them to run 50psi in the fuel system) does not need to be drained then why not have a 50kg pressurised tank and no other fuel tank, then you could have a car weighing 550kg! so i can see where the FIA is coming from.

Having said that, the rules didn't specifically exclude it, just a case of BAR pushing the envelope and getting caught, bad luck, shut up, go do some testing, and win some races when you come back.

[Jus-10]

My favourite line from that quote is "the integrity of the body" - Good one Max!!!

I think this has all been blown out of proportion. As Hondavirgin said, BAR were pushing the envelope and they got caught. The precedent is now set and all teams now know exactly what the ruling is....

This reminds of the early Schumacher and then Schumey/Ferrari days. It seemed like almost every race he (or the team) was being acused of cheating (both with Benetton and Ferrari). He has always been pushing the limits both on and off the track. Some times he got pulled up and banned for races....that's what happens. You push the boundaries, the sport evolves, things get cleared up for everyone. That is part of the reason why he has always been at the top - he was never afraid to push.

I can see why BAR is upset, but they should have copped it sweet. Fighting with Max once the decision has been made is just fighting a losing battle, and now look what has happened. BAR are going to have to be on their best behaviour for the rest of the season now.

[Jus-10]

You can see pics of the Trulli fire here:

http://www.formula1.com/gallery/736.html

[pornstar]

Its all about the meaning of the word "ballast", ie is the fuel in that smaller surge tank ballast? To BAR, it wasnt, they believe it was necessary to the cars running, ie like oil, like tyres etc, necessary, and therefore not a ballast. To the FIA, it is a ballast, and must be drained as part of the fuel system.

This meaning is the problem of the whole issue, and it is the reason why the courts could not say they were deliberately cheating, their criticism was that they didnt ask the FIA to get a ruling on it.

So in light of this, BAR basically are arguing, since it is an error made in interpretation of the rules, the 2 race ban is severe and disproportionate. IE like when Williams ran brake ducts that were deemed to be illegal, or traction control back in the day, ie they are infringements as to the meaning, therefore if they only lose points for that day, why does BAR suffer a 2 race ban.

Hope that clears the situation abit.

[LUD02C]

How good are those pictures?
Remember Jos Van Strappen in the pits?
Also Michael, so relaxed and then drove on.

[Jus-10]

That pic of Jos is a classic! Which reminds me...I might go try and find it....

Who here thinks that the last race will be the decider for he championship?

[LUD02C]

I got that Jos picture in a frame.
There is a sequence of it happening...total of 5 photos.
With details on it underneath.
Got it on e-mail, just had to frame it myself.
Not bad for $50 and its 1.5m long

[Vivski]

You can see pics of the Trulli fire here:

http://www.formula1.com/gallery/736.html
There would be a few singed eyebrows in the Toyota pit after that one. Mmmm, who's got the marshmellows?

[jackosimm]

daym! didnt see those photos before, there some beasty flames, like really, that second picture looks scary

[Jus-10]

Here is poor old Jos copping a major flaming back in 2000 in Germany


http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=512/1083josverstappenhockenheim2000-med.jpg

[civ_sik]

shit look at the jack man lol hes legging it for sure lol

[Vivski]

Wow, great photo!

[Hondavirgin]

i reckon Schumacher's was the best, car's on fire and he doesn't even move his head, just calmly drives off from the pit! gold...

[Kawasaki]

i reckon Schumacher's was the best, car's on fire and he doesn't even move his head, just calmly drives off from the pit! gold...

Could be he didnt know :D

[LUD02C]

i reckon Schumacher's was the best, car's on fire and he doesn't even move his head, just calmly drives off from the pit! gold...

Nar, he knew.
Remember, He is GOD.

[Jus-10]

He did it himself just to scare everyone - that's how good he is

[Hondavirgin]

yeah, was too easy, so he thinks to himself,"how can i make this more challenging for me, i know, i'll set me car on fire and still win!"

[jackosimm]

i'll set me car on fire and still win!"

hahaha! perfect! wonder if the car was 'firing' on all cylinders....no pun intended...lol

[Vivski]

Next time they should pour petrol on his rear tyres, so when he leaves the pits he leaves two flaming tyre tracks on the ground.

[jackosimm]

god damn that would be a sweet stunt!

[JDM.Power]

true...it will look so hectic

[jackosimm]

Found another one

http://img240.echo.cx/img240/7603/trullifire1nu.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[JDM.Power]

whoaa thats crazy!

[^^v]

bit outa context .. but found this in the spam thread

http://mistupid.com/pictures/images/sports1.jpg

ahahahaha

[jackosimm]

I remember seeing that on the footy show on thats tops:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Funny stuff lol, I remember Cheif saying "Bernie Eccelstone, Ferrari owner" boy was I angry

[Javed]

Those fire pics would be captioned perfectly with "OMG WTF BBQ" ahahaha

[^^v]

BAR Honda back on track
Davidson and Bernoldi in action
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BAR preparing for the European Grand Prix

BAR Honda may have been excluded from the Spanish Grand prix and the forthcoming Monaco Grand Prix a week Sunday, but the team took to the testing trail yesterday at Paul Ricard.

The first day of a proposed three-day test at the Paul Ricard circuit in Southern France began Wednesday morning in warm and sunny conditions. Anthony Davidson and Enrique Bernoldi driving chassis 007-01 and 007-03 respectively.

Davidson spent the morning session evaluating the new aerodynamic updates, completing a total of 63 laps. He continued the evaluation in the afternoon session, running for a further 54 laps before an electrical fault caused damage to the engine. The engine had to be changed which brought his afternoon running to a slightly early conclusion. Davidson completed a total of 117 laps today.

Bernoldi ran through a tyre casing programme in the morning session completing short runs. He continued the evaluation in the afternoon over longer runs, alongside a brake evaluation. Bernoldi’s final lap tally for the day was an impressive 171 laps.

E.A.
Source BAR Honda



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[^^v]

hmmmm very interesting ...
u'd think they woulda broken the test day agreement after what happened...
oh well good on em for their commitment.. :thumbsup:



BAR skip Thursday running
Predicted rain at Paul Ricard
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Saving a day of testing for later in the season

BAR Honda, like all but Ferrari, intend to test just 30 days in 2005 and this morning the team announced that they would not be running at Paul Ricard today.

With rain predicted for later this afternoon, and the circuit still in the short Monaco-style layout as agreed with the other teams, it was decided to save a day's testing. The team of course will not be racing at Monte Carlo this year.

BAR Honda intend to test tomorrow when the weather is expected to improve and the circuit will be in a Montreal layout. Jenson and Takuma will drive tomorrow in chassis 007-01 and 007-03 respectively.

E.A.
Source BAR Honda



source f1live.com

[pornstar]

u know how it is, ferrarriiiiiii pfft, weak dogs :P
go honda

[jackosimm]

171 laps is mighty impressive! And I reckon Ferrari have everyright to go test more, as their essentially the only competitive team running Bridgestones, so much of their testing is tyre related. LOL these bets are going to provide some feirce battles this season!:D

[Javed]

Man those BAR's are sexy, same with the McLaren too.

[Vivski]

Ferrari needs all the testing they can get!

What's wrong with the Bridgestones? Both Ferrari drivers have had car, track and luck problems this season. Michael has at times been the quickest on the track. What's the problem with his tyres?

[LUD02C]

His tyres aren't lasting, thats the main problem.
They don't heat up quick enough for the 1 dash sprint for qualifying.
And if he pushes them look what happened at Spain.

Jackosimm, nice avatar! ;)
If BAR was the only main team on Bridgestones this conversation would be so different, and you all know it. :D

[jackosimm]

yeah exactly, they cant get going quick enough after safety car and for qualifying. Starting a few rows back has a huge affect, cause if he was infront, an overtaking move on Schumacher could be prevented. Thought it was time to update the avatar lol:thumbsup:

[Hondavirgin]

, cause if he was infront, an overtaking move on Schumacher could be prevented.

unless he was lined up next to a renault, who OWN starts.

[civ_sik]

now its confussing with those 2 avators lol, yea well i think he can stil get up there but it would be a very bad run for alonso for the rest of the year, go kimi (cant stand alonso or trulli) and juans getting his ass kicked by kimi lol

[Hondavirgin]

my only wish for this season is to see Fisi win again, hopefully more than once :D

oh, and i'd like to see Michael win another title, but down to the wire, Alonso hasn't done his time enough to win yet haha.

[jackosimm]

unless he was lined up next to a renault, who OWN starts.

Ill hand that to Renault on a Gold plate, there masters of it, I remember Bahrain last year I think it was? And it was insane how they pulled away after a hairpin/slow corner

[Hondavirgin]

i reckon that system they had played a firly major part in the Imola win actually, their traction from low speed or stopped, amazing.

[LUD02C]

I think Alonso's biggest competitor right now is Fisichella, Kimi and Juan.
Seeing Fisichella pull the quickest lap at Spain (if only his tyres didn't shit themselves) and he does have the same car as Alonso.

The McLarens have a fantastic car which is so damm quick and well balanced.
Juan and Kimi are both excellent drivers.

This will help Michael creep up the championship.
I don't think Renault's reliability is going to stay strong too much longer and McLaren are going to start winning more races.

I hope Toyota take on Renault but Ralf can't pass without hitting and Trulli isn't that arrgressive.

[Hondavirgin]

but Michael still has to win races to catch up, which means he has to beat all those guys regularly......

see how he goes in the next two, if he doesn't win one, i think its gonna be a struggle.

[LUD02C]

He isn't going to win Monaco, the McLarens are too quick and there tyres work perfect for them.

After that, the older tracks, plus Turkey which no one has data on and if Bridgestone can get Ferrari to sign with them again (the other day) to extend there contract something must be planned or they know something.

Might be a struggle, but Ferrari and Schumacher with some help from Bridgestone could make it happen.

[LUD02C]

Lets have a look at the drivers championship.

1Fernando Alonso (http://www.formula1.com/archive/driver/detail/2005/30/108.html) 44http://www.formula1.com/images/spacer.gif
2Jarno Trulli (http://www.formula1.com/archive/driver/detail/2005/14/108.html) 26http://www.formula1.com/images/spacer.gif
3Kimi Räikkönen (http://www.formula1.com/archive/driver/detail/2005/12/108.html) 17http://www.formula1.com/images/spacer.gif
4Giancarlo Fisichella (http://www.formula1.com/archive/driver/detail/2005/17/108.html) 14http://www.formula1.com/images/spacer.gif
4=Ralf Schumacher (http://www.formula1.com/archive/driver/detail/2005/10/108.html) 14http://www.formula1.com/images/spacer.gif
6Mark Webber (http://www.formula1.com/archive/driver/detail/2005/21/108.html) 12http://www.formula1.com/images/spacer.gif
7Michael Schumacher (http://www.formula1.com/archive/driver/detail/2005/7/108.html) 10http://www.formula1.com/images/spacer.gif
7=Juan Pablo Montoya (http://www.formula1.com/archive/driver/detail/2005/9/108.html) 10http://www.formula1.com/images/spacer.gif
7=David Coulthard (http://www.formula1.com/archive/driver/detail/2005/11/108.html) 10
http://www.formula1.com/images/spacer.gif10Nick Heidfeld (http://www.formula1.com/archive/driver/detail/2005/16/108.html) 9http://www.formula1.com/images/spacer.gif
11Rubens Barrichello (http://www.formula1.com/archive/driver/detail/2005/8/108.html) 8http://www.formula1.com/images/spacer.gif
12Alexander Wurz (http://www.formula1.com/archive/driver/detail/2005/97/108.html) 6 http://www.formula1.com/images/spacer.gif
13Jacques Villeneuve (http://www.formula1.com/archive/driver/detail/2005/5/108.html) 5http://www.formula1.com/images/spacer.gif
14Pedro de la Rosa (http://www.formula1.com/archive/driver/detail/2005/26/108.html) 4http://www.formula1.com/images/spacer.gif
15Christian Klien (http://www.formula1.com/archive/driver/detail/2005/123/108.html) 3http://www.formula1.com/images/spacer.gif
16Felipe Massa (http://www.formula1.com/archive/driver/detail/2005/18/108.html) 2http://www.formula1.com/images/spacer.gif
17Vitantonio Liuzzi (http://www.formula1.com/archive/driver/detail/2005/802/108.html) 1



LAST - Sato 0 points!

[LUD02C]

Michael is 34 points of Alonso, so 3 wins = 30 but Alonso will get points here and there when Michael wins. He might get 2nd and recieve 8 points which means Michael only make 2 points on him.

But with Kimi, Juan, Fisichella, Trulli and Ralf as good competition it might see Alonso in 3rd or 5th if he has some troubles and spread the points out which helps Michael.

Oh look, f1.com made a point of Sato being last :D

[pornstar]

lol @ Jase!

As good as MS thinks he is, titles over n3gr0, just accept it u old d0g :P even if alonso doesnt win, Kimi/Fisi/JPM/Trulli all are ahead with BETTER, Ill repeat BETTER and once more for good measure, BETTER cars than Ferrari, hell even Webber is going better :P

[civ_sik]

I hope Toyota take on Renault but Ralf can't pass without hitting and Trulli isn't that arrgressive.

lol ralf is funny like that lol always runs into people, i remember in 98 when he took out michael lol (ruined michaels 98 championship)

[civ_sik]

so has bar even finished a race this year? (as far as being classified a finisher)?

[LUD02C]

lol @ Jase!

As good as MS thinks he is, titles over n3gr0, just accept it u old d0g :P even if alonso doesnt win, Kimi/Fisi/JPM/Trulli all are ahead with BETTER, Ill repeat BETTER and once more for good measure, BETTER cars than Ferrari, hell even Webber is going better :P

You'll find me in the corner crying after that call. :(

[pornstar]

awwwwww...Im sorry Jase..
















BUT TRUTH HURTS, dig it sucker :)

[pornstar]

on a seperate issue Jase, think we can clean up the tipping thread? maybe its jsut me, but im getting so lost between all the threads atm, Like say, one post for tipping, one for race by race results, and the total maybe? or maybe jsut cut chit chat away from the results for the race by race comparo and only have the thread with the total tally so far as the place to slag other ppls results? or u can just say no if im the only person crying :p

[civ_sik]

i recon its a good idea

[jackosimm]

lol @ Jase!

As good as MS thinks he is, titles over n3gr0, just accept it u old d0g :P even if alonso doesnt win, Kimi/Fisi/JPM/Trulli all are ahead with BETTER, Ill repeat BETTER and once more for good measure, BETTER cars than Ferrari, hell even Webber is going better :P

Ouch baby! lol pulling out the big guns!

And yeah theres so many threads going lol atm, think maybe a new F1 discussion thread and so on:thumbsup:

[civ_sik]

lol this one is 15 pages long f*** reading all that lol

[LUD02C]

Ok, I'll make a thread for F1 competition points ONLY!
No chit chat and that in it (I'll write all this in the thread)
Most talk should happen in F1 Discussion thread.
Sperate thread for each race will be made.

Good idea, there is a lot of threads at the moment.

[jackosimm]

sounds good jase! Tonne of threads goin lol

[LUD02C]

Ok, All done.
Made seperate thread which is a sticky and you can't post in, only contains the results of each race and the total tally.

When this thread hits around 200 posts I'll lock it and make another one.
Any other suggestions please feel free to tell me and we can alter the forum to make it better.

[pornstar]

only thing left to alter is ur avatar :)

[Vivski]

Are you sure the punctures at Catalunya were because the tyres were crap? Doesn't seem right to me. And remember Imola? It's only two races ago where he OWNED everyone and was 2sec/lap faster than anyone at the end of the race. Everyone thought, here we go, Ferrari is better than everyone else again.

What happened between Imola and Catalunya that made the Bridgestones shit? They did 200 laps of testing too.

I can see the problem with them warming up. Something's very wrong in the Ferrari qualifying. But also remember Michael has made some mistakes in qualifying too.
Are you saying the tyres are shit in qualifying only or that they're shit all-round? And the Ferrari setup might have something to do with chewing the tyres. Given the Imola performance, I can't see the evidence to support the claim that it's solely the tyres at fault.

[Vivski]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/customavatars/avatar1974_8.gif

You could write a novel on that forehead! :D

[civ_sik]

lol yes you could but he is a better driver than you :p

[civ_sik]

why is everyone so against michael? everyone is jelous... dont hate the player, hate the game lol

[Vivski]

I've got nothing against the Schu. He's a great driver. I'm just making fun of his forehead, he knows I mean nothing by it. :p :thumbsup:

http://img251.echo.cx/img251/3900/frankenschu1xk.jpg

With a bit of make-up and a couple of corks in his neck, he'd make a good Frankenstein's Monster.

[panda[cRx]]

Might be a struggle, but Ferrari and Schumacher with some help from Bridgestone could make it happen.

'could' ... but i can't see it happening lol :D

[jackosimm]

never say never mate lol! anythin is possible. Good call on his forehead by the way vivski, very clever...

[^^v]

anything this guy cant do?
if memory serves me rite.. he also tried his hand in the WRC...



Rossi targeting F1 in 2007
According to Yamaha team boss
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Rossi to make the jump?
Valentino Rossi can do things on two wheels that only his rivals can dream of. With six championships already to his credit, the Italian Moto GP rider has little left to prove in the series.

Speaking to Gazzetta dello Sport Yamaha team boss Davide Brivio stated that Rossi will extend his current contract another season taking him to the end of 2006 and will then try his hand at Formula One. "We have already agreed on a one-year contract and we know that from 2007 he will be in Formula One," Brivio said.

Rossi has long stated that his wish to try something new at some point in his career and admits that at the end of 2006 he will look at what offers he has and then make a decision. Previously Rossi tested with Ferrari at Fiorano but according the Rossi, Ferrari is not the only team that could be interested in his services.

Earl ALEXANDER
© CAPSIS International

[LUD02C]

I'm sure it was Ron Dennis and Todt that said Rossi was better on 4 wheels then he was on three wheels.
Now thats a scary thought.

[nEUROtic]

3 Wheels? You're on Drugs

http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~markferguson/untitled.jpg

Anyone else notice this?

[LUD02C]

3 wheels?
Don't drink and then come on the forums! :D


nEUROtic - The scary thing is you found a picture of Larry

[LUD02C]

Red Bull Ferrari
Talking tyres and championships
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It is all change for Red Bull Racing in 2006
One of the most intriguing questions following the announcement that Ferrari are to switch the supply of its customer engines from Sauber to Red Bull in 2006 is whether Red Bull Racing will move from Michelin tyres to Bridgestone in order to try and ease the testing burden on Ferrari.

Ferrari have recently argued that with just Jordan Toyota and Minardi also running on the Japanese rubber, the team are in a position where they effectively handle all of Bridgestone’s tyre development programme. With Michelin seemingly ahead it is logical to assume that Ferrari will be asking Red Bull to consider a switch in order to try and readdress the tyre balance in Formula One.

Another issue that is ongoing is the proposed split between what we know as Formula One and a new series organised and run by the manufacturers. Ferrari is the only team currently on the books of the Bernie Ecclestone-run Formula One for 2008. It remains to be seen whether Red Bull Racing will follow Ferrari in committing to a long terms deal with Formula One.

Only time will tell whether Red Bull will commit to the ideals being put forward by Ferrari.

Earl ALEXANDER
© CAPSIS International

[Vivski]

Lol, 3 wheelers!! If it has wheels, Rossi can master it!
I reckon he should keep on going with WRC. Problem is, he can't really run in WRCs while with Yamaha. So he has to basically sign a deal with either F1 or WRC before he can properly drive one.

The best way into F1 is by first being a test driver. The best way into WRC is to do rallies with a privateer team. I don't think he can do either until his Yamaha contract expires.

[jackosimm]

Thatll be good getting Red Bull on some bridgestones cause their definetly a competitive team atm, the extra testing will bring back the tyre wars! Theres no war on at the moment with Michelin dominating it.
I heard about Sauber getting engines elsehwhere, you know who will supply them Jase?
Damn Rossi, that guys just a freak honestly, wonder what team he'll go for, or will go for him....

[LUD02C]

Yeh, Sauber will be supplied by BMW.
I heard that BMW has had enough of Williams and wants to supply teams with engines and since Toyota has been going so well they want a BMW team (rumor has it)

So Toyota, BMW & Honda will supply engines to who wants them.
Ferrari will supply an engine to who wants it and helps them with the Bridgestones.

[LUD02C]

Just five races into the season and already the Formula One rumour mill is well on its way to naming the grid for 2006.

Last week's decision to ban BAR for two races effectively settled the argument over where Jenson Button will drive next year.

The Englishman needs 70% of the world championship leader's points by the end of the Turkish Grand Prix on August 21 if BAR are to keep him.

But he will return to action for round seven at the Nurburgring without a single point to his name.

BAR are confident they have a car capable of challenging for victories but for their contract clause to kick in, they will need a miracle.

Assuming Button falls short of that target, a long-term contract with Williams kicks in for 2006 which would see the 25-year-old return to the team with which he started his Formula One career.

This is where facts end and rumours begin.

It is no secret BAR would have replaced Button with test driver Anthony Davidson had they lost their star driver last season to Williams.

They even blocked the up-and-coming Davidson from testing a Williams to ensure he is their property in the long term, a move which must make him favourite to step into Button's shoes next year.

A wildcard in all this is Indy Racing League star Dan Wheldon, a former karting rival of Davidson and Button and a favourite of engine supplier Honda.

Despite Wheldon's success in the United States, he is unlikely to be thrust straight into a race drive and considering his new-found fame in IRL, a test berth would seem a step down.

Button's expected arrival at Williams will mean the end for one of their current racers, and few would bet on Mark Webber being that man.

The Australian is revered at Williams, meaning late signing Nick Heidfeld is odds-on to make way, with Sauber a possible destination.

BMW announced last weekend they are almost certain to supply Sauber with engines in 2006 and their keenness to have a German driving their cars would make Heidfeld the ideal replacement for the under-performing Jacques Villeneuve.

The former world champion is struggling at Sauber and the prospects of him seeing out his two-year contract are bleak.

So too are those of David Coulthard, who despite a superb season so far for Red Bull looks set for an undeserved exit come the end of the season.

The Scotsman has been the surprise of the season in earning 10 points for Red Bull but the team's owner Dietrich Mateschitz has already indicated his preference for a Christian Klien-Vitantonio Liuzzi partnership in 2006.

That would put Italian star Liuzzi behind the wheel of a Ferrari-powered car next season, the last season Michael Schumacher is contracted to race.

Liuzzi in a Ferrari in 2007 becomes very plausible - but most paddock rumours are very plausible until they turn out not to be true.

This time last year both Mika Hakkinen and Villeneuve were said to be on the verge of signing for Williams, Giancarlo Fisichella was staying at Sauber and Formula One was preparing to race in Switzerland.

There are 10 months to go before the 2006 season start and 10 months is a long, long time in Formula One.

[jackosimm]

jesus nice write up there! So much info and rumours. Dont even know what to type about there was so much. Be interesting to see how it turns out towards the end of the seaon for BAR, Williams and Red Bull.

[LUD02C]

Dude, I just copied and paste from planetf1.com
Stuff writing all that up!

I don't know why Red Bull even hired David, I would of kept Klein and Luizzi as the drivers.

I think Davidson will prove how good he is and BMW will jump on him, he is better then Jenson and BMW will give Webber the big kick in the ass and have 2 Brittish drivers so Martin and James can talk about it all during the race saying how STELLA they are.

The biggest thing about next year, will be the new engines and chassis adjustments.

[LUD02C]

http://people.freenet.de/f1network/picture11.jpgAnyone remember this?

[jackosimm]

Yeh it will be a different one for sure with those V8's, interesting to see if it affects any of the teams or it stays relatively similar. YES i remember that pic! that was insane one of the worst looking ones Ive seen in my time

[nEUROtic]

Can we get some description on the pic??

[LUD02C]

Geez from memory, Michael started back in the field around 13th I think, and had a real slow start.

The Prost I think it was, had a great start and had no where to go with the arrows and _______ on the other side.

He hit (Bernodi I believe) Michael and went straight in the air and hit or caused another accident with a Minardi I think it was.

Please correct me if anyone can remember it better.

[jackosimm]

sounds good to me, I wouldn't of been able to name names in that one

[Hondavirgin]

was that at Hockenheim?

[LUD02C]

was that at Hockenheim?

Either there or at Hungaroring not sure which one.

[Hondavirgin]

thought so, there's usually big accidents at Hockenheim's first corner.

on Hockenheim, i hate the new track (ok, so not that new), but how good was the old long straights through the trees! very cool....

[nEUROtic]

on Hockenheim, i hate the new track (ok, so not that new), but how good was the old long straights through the trees! very cool....

I concur

[Vivski]

I'll third that.

[jackosimm]

I'll third that.

and ill second that! Few older circuits should never have been changed/removed

[Javed]

Yeh much preferred the older hockenheim layout. And while you guys are talkin bout Rossi, I just watched the French GP lastn ight, and that guy is a genius, holy crap he is a master. Gibernau woulda been pissed to concede again, mauahahah!

[jackosimm]

Ive gotta watch a moto GP one night, Ive never sat through an entire race, shameful i know

[^^v]

http://www.f1central.net/newsphotos/april/a/jbut020403.jpg
(GMM) Embattled BAR-Honda may re-employ 2004 F1 principal David Richards, it is rumoured.

Amid the cheating scandal, lower than expected performance and the fight to retain Jenson Button (http://www.f1central.net/profiles/item/formula_one/driver/15/Jenson-Button/view.html), the Prodrive boss is speculated to be in the frame for Nick Fry's job.

UK publication 'People' said the Englishman is 'deep in negotiations' and could - although the team is banned from racing there - be confirmed at Monaco on Friday.

''With Richards' wealth of experience,'' a team 'insider' claimed, ''we can look forward to a calming influence.''

In another tabloid newspaper, meanwhile, it is reported that 25-year-old Button got over the break-up with his fiancée by going out with British 800m runner Emma Davies.


Written: Mon, 16 May 2005 07:03:24


source f1central.net

[jackosimm]

interesting stuff about dave lol. Didnt even no Jenson was getting married, good on him for moving on lol, how long ago was the break up?

[^^v]

lolz i think it was pretty recent..
maybe last month.. 0_o

[jackosimm]

haha good on him, no point livin in the past. Come to think about it I really have no idea about the personal lives on F1 drivers

[Javed]

All I know is the majority of them are boning damn hawttt chixxxxx :P

[Vivski]

They sure are. And it's probably right that we don't know much about what they do outside the sport. I know if I was an elite driver, I'd like to keep my private life private.

[nEUROtic]

DR Rules!

[jackosimm]

God and his wife. What posers...lol

http://img163.echo.cx/img163/9546/schuey7fh.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[civ_sik]

yea how private is that...

[jackosimm]

lol good point there...very good point lol.

[civ_sik]

your loving it jacko lol

[civ_sik]

your thinking i wish is was her lol, lol i call it obsession

[jackosimm]

Id take a Cheeck to Cheeck kiss from him, as the Italians do, somethin involving two lips connecting may be pushing it with me a little. Be somethin you could claim world wide though:D

[Javed]

MSC is a wank! His wife is a fake, in truth he likes farm animals!

[jackosimm]

thats steppin over the line! lol lucky Jase aint here, BAN for you!:p

[civ_sik]

lol fully! i like his wife

[jackosimm]

AHHHH I cant handle it!!!! *cries to jase*.....speaking of which, we can get up to all naughty stuff without him, the only motorsport mod, watching over us....heheheh:p

[civ_sik]

only problem with that is you went offline jacko

[7th Gen]

funny how this F1 thread blows out :D

i got myself one of these babies today:
http://h50025.www5.hp.com/hpcom/au_en/16_61_205_2971_L1830A.html

really nice compact little unit, have to wait for a nice day to try it out
LCD is a bit small though :thumbdwn:
there was a olympus ferrari digital camera as well
haven't heard anything about a BAR one though :D

[jackosimm]

nice stuff lol, seems like a good camera! Nice novelty:thumbsup:

[nEUROtic]

Thats the one that when it starts it makes a formula one

vvrrrRRRRRMMMMM!!!

hehe. Id prefer a nicer camera. But that noise is awesome :)

[7th Gen]

yeh
comes with some goodies like a metal tin, carry case, wrist strap etc
will try and take some pics for you to have a look at

compared to my old sony, it is a lot smaller and the menus more intuitive
and its a 4 MP compared to the 3 MP on my sony

seems to have all these unnecessary functions to email photos etc (don't need that shit)
and if you want to connect to the tv you have to buy the dock?!?!?!?!?

(funny how an F1 thread turned into a digital camera thread - oh well, the camera is F1 related/endorsed official product)

[nEUROtic]

I have the tag heuer f1 watch :) We should talk about that now then lol

[Jus-10]

MSC is a wank! His wife is a fake, in truth he likes farm animals!

This coming from someone who worships JPM - talk about farm animals :confused:

hehehe

[jackosimm]

yeh
comes with some goodies like a metal tin, carry case, wrist strap etc
will try and take some pics for you to have a look at

compared to my old sony, it is a lot smaller and the menus more intuitive
and its a 4 MP compared to the 3 MP on my sony

seems to have all these unnecessary functions to email photos etc (don't need that shit)
and if you want to connect to the tv you have to buy the dock?!?!?!?!?

(funny how an F1 thread turned into a digital camera thread - oh well, the camera is F1 related/endorsed official product)

I want the Ferrari one lol, and their Lap Top too, they got some sweet stuff.

[Hondavirgin]

if we're talking F1 endorsed merchandise, my gf got me a oregon scientific ferrari clock that projects the time and prancing horse onto the ceiling and also has an alarm of an F1 car accelerating.....nice way to wake up...

[jackosimm]

Ive got plenty of Ferrari clothing/banners/models but Id like some desk-mountable item at somepoint lol

[Vivski]

I'd get a shirt or cap if they weren't $500 each.

[Hondavirgin]

what i'd really like is one of the team jackets, the big ones i mean, but yeah, $500 each is a bit too much for my budget haha

[jackosimm]

Yeah, a set of Ferrari candles are like $75

[civ_sik]

whats so special about these candles?

[jackosimm]

this:
http://img274.echo.cx/img274/736/candles6ab.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

well worth 47 euro's lol......

[Javed]

It kinda makes sense, the Ferrari Candles. You know why? BECAUSE FERRARI ARE GETTING BURNT. MUAHAHA!

[jackosimm]

ouch, lol, good call. Ill take that one on the chin, really lol that was a good one...I got nothin to come back at that:thumbdwn: :D

[civ_sik]

or maybe its because ferrari are going to burn everyone else! (there u go jacko)

[jackosimm]

hmmm lol...how you like them apples Javed? lol:p
Damn we gotta start talkin about F1 a bit more lol, we need Jase!

[civ_sik]

okay then... did anyone see how ferrari are offereing michael 50mil for and extension of one year on his contract?

[Javed]

Yeah how crazy is that! Was it 50 mill AUD after conversion, or Euros or what? Haha, sorry bout the slandering of your team lads, you know its all in good fun, we are all a freindly bunch ere :)

[pornstar]

hmmm lol...how you like them apples Javed? lol:p
Damn we gotta start talkin about F1 a bit more lol, we need Jase!

lol, nah u need a chance at the world title :)

[Vivski]

Burn those Ferrari candles! Burn them to the ground!

Monaco hey? You still boycotting this one Andy?
Monaco is always a boring race anyway, you just watch 'cos it's Monaco. Shouldn't matter that BAR isn't there.