Bang for your bucks – S2000 (F20C engine)

[TODA AU]

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[hondaboy]

"TODA 2.2L turbo crate engine"

that to me, seems like the best bang for buck if you want real power from an f20c
im my opinion, NA mods are a waste of time/money
u cant really compare the gains if you are throwing $15k+ into a motor

[TODA AU]

NA mods are not a waste of money,
What is a waste of money is paying for NA mods that don't work.
Cams work really well and offer good bang for bucks.
The lightweight flywheel & HD clutch combo really can't be beaten.

I agree, a crate engine offers exellent value for money, however not everyone is going to purchase an additional engine, or have their engine sent to TODA.(we can do that too)
As you're off the road for quite a while.
Plus, headers etc are still additional.

[SSs]

i am a s2k owner i just like to know for turbo the s2k how much would be and safe for the engine!!

[h22a jdm]

is the TODA 2.2L crate engine a modified s2000 engine like the spoon sport engine if it is is it for sale and how much? :honda: o it cant be ye cuz the s2000 is a 2litre ye

[pillow]

is the TODA 2.2L crate engine a modified s2000 engine like the spoon sport engine if it is is it for sale and how much? :honda: o it cant be ye cuz the s2000 is a 2litre ye

Pretty sure it's a stroked f20c mate...

[.::F[L]Y::.]

Just curious,

how much is it for the 2.2 kit?

[AusS2000]

Do you do sleeving? Looking to build a short block with sleeves and low comp pistons.

[TODA AU]

Do you do sleeving? Looking to build a short block with sleeves and low comp pistons.

We can,
The FRM liner of the S2k is pretty good, are you sure you want to replace it?

[AusS2000]

I'm a big fan of Honda's FRM technology. Unfortunately the person I got this short block off wasn't. ;)

I expect they are scuffed beyond repair. And as this is for a high power FI project sleeves are the way to go.

[pornstar]

Toda sleeving would be great :)

[TODA AU]

I'm a big fan of Honda's FRM technology. Unfortunately the person I got this short block off wasn't. ;)

I expect they are scuffed beyond repair. And as this is for a high power FI project sleeves are the way to go.

Best to see if they can be saved,
Over sized pistons are still an option.
I'd wait till it's stripped down before you resign yourself to sleaves.

[AusS2000]

I'm not sure Honda's open deck design can handle the sort of boost I'm building this for.

[AusS2000]

The sleeves aren't scuffed at all. If anything they look too slick.

I'll pull the pistons tomorrow and inspect the rings. Might be a shame to resleeve if they are perfect.

Can you give me a price on low comp pistons for FRM sleeves, 2.2L crank and suitable rods via PM.

[BaSsMaXiMuS]

AusS2000 - Just wanted to enquire what exactly "sleeving" is in regards to this topic?

[AusS2000]

Sleeves are actual tubes of metal that form the cylinders. The stock sleeves are a part of the block and are formed my using a carbon fiber tube when pouring the mould. This forms a very hard metal matrix ceramic sleeve as part of the block.

If the sleeve/cylinder walls are badly damaged you machine them out and use ductile iron sleeve in their place. This allows the use of a more extensive range of aftermarket pistons. Also, if you use sleeves that tounch the side of the engine block the engine is more rigid than Honda's open design.

[Bludger]

1 rep point 4 u

[fto222]

I guess the question is how long will your stock engine last before looking to replace? or stroke it....
does any one know the life time of an AP1 engine, provided that it was maintained regularly would last? Because if you stroke it the engine wear and tear is still there and if the stock engine only lasts till say 150K then is it really worth storking it? Might as well replace it?
What does others think?

Thanks,

[WhiteAP1]

A well maintained engine, that is treated well, should last a very long time. There isnt a Km limit where the engine just blows or stops working. Its all dependant on the conditions its operated under.

If u stroke it, again if treated and tuned right (no more 9K RPM) it too can have a long and healthy life.

For example, I dropped a valve at Winton. Id only done 68,000 ks but due to my driving and choice to engine break too early, it happened. The car was always looked after, i always had the valve clearance checked, but now its getting sleeved and a new set of 87.5mm pistons, along with a few other little goodies. Its not to say this will happen to every F20C at 68,000 ks. It all depends on the individual.

If u want to buy the 2.2L or 2.4L TODA kit, do so coz u want bigger displacment and and better performance. Ure F20C should have a long healthy and happy life it taken care of and driven well.

[online]

I have my own 2.4lt stoker in my S2000 with pretty big comp, goes sooooooo much better than the std 2.0lt.. The torque is unbelievable.. I would recommend it to anyone if you want a good reliable street package. :thumbsup:

[Ferrari]

How much is a similar setup 2.4 ltr? Looking at alternatives to boost.

[RyDC5S]

Hi - Is the first post intentionally deleted??

[MRSPCS]

alot of requests about the 2.2l, 2.4l? crate engine? how much does this cost?

[WhiteAP1]

Depends who u order it from, who installs it and a few little other things. Try searching the net, ball park $3000 for the stroker kits, then there's instillation. A crate engine can go into the thousands, depending again on whats invloved and who builds it, who installs it.

If u wanna go faster, lighter rims would help ;)

[1337droptop]

hey all, new here, 1st post!

just wondering what sort of engine management products work well with stroked engines. also what other support gear is required , ie injectors, fuel pumps etc or does OEM work fine?

Can anyone shed any light on the difference in performance between the Spoon 2.2 and the Toda 2.2?

[WhiteAP1]

search is ure friend. Also search on s2ki.com, larger site and better info.

[goforthandmultiplys2]

Sleeves are actual tubes of metal that form the cylinders. The stock sleeves are a part of the block and are formed my using a carbon fiber tube when pouring the mould. This forms a very hard metal matrix ceramic sleeve as part of the block.

If the sleeve/cylinder walls are badly damaged you machine them out and use ductile iron sleeve in their place. This allows the use of a more extensive range of aftermarket pistons. Also, if you use sleeves that tounch the side of the engine block the engine is more rigid than Honda's open design.


But, the s2000 engine is an unstressed member of the chassis

[AusS2000]

The engine is not a 'member of the chassis' at all but it is anything but 'unstressed'.

The reason it can rev to 9000rpm and produce more horsepower per litre than any other engine in a production automobile is that the engine is extremely rigid. This is because of things like the ladder girdle for bearing caps and forged internals.

Of course high power FI puts even more stress on the cylinders and can distort the open block cylinders. Hence the sleeves that turn it into a closed deck.